Obama in the latest Gallup poll....

[dennis4868]

lost support from women...okay, can someone please tell me where in the hell Hillary is? Is she scheduled to campaign for Obama this week? Let me know if I am wrong but it seems like Hillary could be doing more for Obama at this point in time instead of praising the Palin pick.

Is Hillary sitting back watching Obama self destruct and has her mind on 2012? I really hope not because Obama could really use her now.

[BeyondGeography]

1. In before the flames

(She campaigns for us tomorrow. Chill.)

[dennis4868]

6. That's great to hear...

we need her now!

[ClarkUSA]

Hope she does better than she did in Florida on Friday when she didn't mention Palin at all...

Until the end, when she said, "No way, no how, no McCain, no Palin." Big whoop.

[BeyondGeography]

30. She WILL have to do better than that

Hilly's got the instinct; she knows Democrats will not be happy if she doesn't throw at least one good punch.

[ClarkUSA]

38. If she doesn't, then she and Willie Brown and the PUMA whackos are in it to win 2012

If Hillary and Bill to tear into McCain/Palin with half as much gusto as they did Obama during the primary,
we should win in a landslide.

[regnaD kciN]

45. I think Palin has taken 2012 off the table...

Sure, if McCain wins, Hillary could run four years from now, and probably get the nomination, but she'd be running against an incumbent -- and without the advantage of having the "women's vote" solidly on her side, since the incumbent party would have a female sitting Vice President on the ticket against her.

Or, McCain might step down after one term, and Hillary would find herself up against Palin -- who by then would have wiped away any concerns about her "experience," and, in fact, could point to more experience in leadership, foreign affairs, etc., than HRC.

In short, holding back and playing for 2012 is no longer an option for the Clintons. Working for Obama and planning for 2016 (when Biden will be too old to run) is the only realistic game in town.

[ClarkUSA]

49. I disagree... because the economy will only get worse under a Bush third term.

Also, the wars will never end. McCain is itching to start a third-front war with Iran and may do so, with Palin's blessing (literally).
2012 under this scenario would be even more promising than 2008.

Besides, since when do the Clintons listen to reason? They stayed in the race long after it became clear they'd never win the nom.

[Crooked Moon]

43. hillary going hard after palin would be disastrous.

my god, it's distressing to see so many people losing their focus.

hillary attacking palin would again shift the focus from the obama campaign, from the issues, in favor of a "catfight" media narrative.

[ClarkUSA]

50. Who said anything about "hard after palin"??? I'd like more than a one-second mention of her name.

Geez - enough with the doomsday predictions - only Democrats worry about what the MSM will say about them.

[ronnykmarshall]

42. Oh shove it.

"we need her now" .... yet your god-damn ass was so quick to attack her.

[Hope And Change]

2. Sen. Clinton will campaign for Obama tomorrow in Florida.

[Lucinda]

3. Monday - Florida.

[FrenchieCat]

4. That's cause the media played us with the hoopla that they gave that

Obnoxious speech that the woman gave.

Why did they do that? Cause they think enough of us are stupid.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

5. a few days ago I posted that Clinton should rip Palin to shreds

it needs to be done NOW.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

20. Unfortunately that elevates Palin.

Palin is not on Hillary's level until Hillary gets in the mud with her. The same goes for Biden, Bill Clinton and Obama himself.

It is good for Hillary to campaign... to be out there drawing the IMPLIED ontrast with a light-weight like Palin.

But a cat-fight would raise Palin to Hillary's level, which wouldn't be ideal.

[JVS]

32. Nobody on the national stage is as low as Palin, because she doesn't really belong there.

Someone has to come down hard on her, and since Palin has invoked HRC to alternately thank and blow-off, Hillary is the one with the best opportunity.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

39. I think you underestimate Palin's pull

she is groomed to succeed. It wouldn't harm Clinton saying something while she is on the stage WITH Obama.

[Captain Hilts]

22. I don't think Hillary is the best choice to do that, actually.

It's like bringing in Mariano Rivera into the game to strike out #8 in the batting order.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

26. The best so far are Barabara Boxer, Deb Wasserman-Schultz and Carville

Just naming some surrogates that have done a good job on Palin without raising her stature

[Rosa Luxemburg]

40. Palin is still there!

all Clinton needs to do is do a joint thing with Obama/Biden on stage not separately.

[regnaD kciN]

46. But the three you mention...

...might be able to make the point on a Sunday morning talk show that only the most dedicated political wonks will see. Only HRC can make it in a way that gets on the national news broadcasts and be seen by tens of millions.

[Captain Hilts]

52. I think someone with a LOT of kids, such as Pelosi, would work best. nt

[quantass]

7. Sad to see women voting solely on gender and not the fact they will lose their Rights to be Human

[Captain Hilts]

14. Women voting "solely on gender?" Women don't vote as a bloc and most are voting Democratic.

A LOT of folks vote identity. Women less so than most. Marriage, more than gender, determines party voting. Particularly among women.

[Kdillard]

8. She is going to campaign for Obama on Monday in Florida I believe.

He is also going to be meeting up with Bill Clinton later in the week. Stop worrying and write some LTTE for your local newspaper or something.

[gateley]

9. In all fairness, it's not just up to Hillary.

I think she's scheduled to make an appearance this week? Sometime soon, anyway.

I'd caution people to not expect her to go for the jugular, as they expected Biden to do. The Obama campaign seems to not want to go that route (regardless of what we'd like them to do.) That being said, nobody can address this particular demographic better than Hillary.

I'm still fuming that Palin said SHE would break the glass ceiling that Hillary cracked!

[otohara]

18. Friends of Hillary Said She's Galled

Mrs. Clinton’s friends said she was galled that Ms. Palin might try to capitalize on a movement that Mrs. Clinton, of New York, built among women in the ...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/01/us/politics/01clinton...

[mamalone]

35. That was the most galling thing I've ever heard.

Heaven knows I've not been a fan of Hillary lately, but when I heard Palin making that comment about breaking that glass ceiling I think the smoke started pouring out of my ears. Honestly, I don't know how she has the nerve to... looking at both of their careers... a woman of Hillary's stature... yipes, I get so irritated I can barely form a coherent thought.






I hate to admit it, but I despise that woman with a deep and unquenchable loathing

[Captain Hilts]

10. Spare us the conspiracy theories. She'll be stumping in FL tomorrow and BHO's meeting BC in NYC. nt

[mediaman007]

11. Just an observation: Hillary is not on the ticket. Barack and Biden are going

to have to do the heavy lifting. Hillary, and the other original candidates do not have to campaign full time. If we are lucky, they will help out on the weekends and maybe the last two weeks.

Hillary does not owe Obama. If Hillary was the candidate, Obama would not be fully engaged either.

Don't panic until Obama panics.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

16. I Agree But For A Different Reason

I don't think a person is going to vote for or against anybody because another person told them to...

[otohara]

Everyone Goes Back to Work Tomorrow

Hillary in Florida - I read where she is "galled" by the notion that her women will support Palin, who is as we know - the opposite of Hillary regarding every important issue related to women.

[pecwae]

12. Yeah, she's probably just filing

her nails about now and whistling a merry tune.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

13. Dennis, please recognize that Hillary is not a freelancer.

She is doing what the Obama campaign asks her to do.

Based on that politico piece, she and Obama agree that her engaging Palin elevates Palin. She will be engaging McCain, rather than feeding the Palin publicity machine.

She is campaigning for Obama in Tampa tomorrow.

I can appreciate thinking she should be used differently, but she has not shown any reluctance to campaign for Obama and has a full schedule of appearances on his behalf up to election day.

[dennis4868]

19. Thanks...

for the info

[samuraiguppy]

23. I can't find

her schedule on-line.

Does anyone know where Hill will be after Monday?

[Speck Tater]

15. If hillary would let Obama lose hoping for a run in 2012...

... she will be disappointed, because if McCain wins there won't even be an America by 2012.

[bluestateguy]

17. Orlando on Monday

She is doing as much as she is being asked to do by the Obama campaign.

The Clintons can be overused too.

[MarjorieG]

21. As unifying we thought our convention, the media didn't feature it, or polls are wrong.

[TheKentuckian]

28. Nobody including Hillary owe Barack a thing

She, every Democrat, and every right thinking citizen owes America and the future BIG TIME. Not one of us one be where we are without the opportunities this country provides.
Even our destitute are doing better than much of the world and if we plan on even maintaining then we better all do what we can to elect Barack Obama President.

[creeksneakers2]

24. The media swarmed on Palin's pregnant teenage daughter

So support rallied to Palin.

[Sensitivity]

25. We all know what is going on. Obama really can't depend on Hill to damage her brand for him.

Hillary would have to be extremely vicious to push back on the Palin hoopla.
She would destroy the cred that she has build up with a lot of the more conservative working-class vote. She is not going to do that since she DOES look to 2012. That's the way it is.

[kwenu]

27. Hillary is not the nominee and women have a brain to think on their own.

Do we have to have a woman to speak to women? Or does testosterone drown out sound waves. I'd love for Hillary to be more active but don't count on it and she has been pretty clear she is not going to be an attack dog so let her GO!!!!

[leftofcool]

29. Didn't you get the memo? Hillary is not the nominee, Obama is

Shouldn't he be fighting for himself?

[Sensitivity]

34. The NOM is NOT the one who should engage in the kind of vicous attack needed.

Bush never did, nor McCain. This is done by passionate supporters who are willing to sacrifice
their personal reputations.

Negative attacks must at least APPEAR SUPPORTED BY 3rd Parties to be effective.

[kypp]

31. Maybe she's sitting back waiting for 2012.

[krawhitham]

33. How are you not tombstoned?

You talk bad of both Obama & Biden while always say how great Hill is

Guess what PUMA, she lost get over it

[Indiana_Dem]

36. I guess there are a bunch of hillary women getting ready to pounce on her!

http://pundits.thehill.com/2008/09/05/spiro-palin-and-t...

The McCain convention has ended and the theme was all white, far right. Now comes the charge of Hillary Clinton and the Democratic women who will fight for economic opportunity for all and against the civil war over abortion promised by the Republican VP, who runs in the tradition of Spiro Agnew, with a nominee using the tactics of Karl Rove, in a party with the policies of George Bush, with a vision of Republicanism that dates back to Richard Milhous Nixon.

The Republican Party that once fought to save the nation under Lincoln is enraptured by a right-wing extremist sympathetic to a group that believes Alaska should secede from the union, thrilling those who would reverse Roe v. Wade and oppose abortion even after rape and incest, who embodies the pork barrel corruption of the worst of Washington, and ridicules Catholic parishes, Protestant ministries and Jewish temples that help jobless workers because they are what she calls derisively "community organizers.”

McCain runs a Rove-like convention of personal destruction attacks, lying about Barack Obama's position on issues such as taxes, demeaning and ridiculing those who truly favor change, cheering the hilarious performance of a Massachusetts magnate who once called McCain a liar and fired more workers in his takeover business than any candidate in history and then calls Obama an elitist, capped by a snarling Rudy Giuliani, who gave an ugly speech that only Chris Matthews could call "brilliant" and "fun.”

Get ready for the charge that is about to come from Hillary Clinton, who will soon have one of her finest hours, and leading Democratic women who will fight and fight again for the America that Sarah Palin and John McCain, in their traditions of George Bush and Spiro Agnew, will never know and must never lead.

(more at link)

The charge of the Democratic women is about to begin and it will be a sight to behold. They will attack the royalist economics of McCain and Palin, who campaign against equal pay for equal work, who oppose legislation to help single moms, and who would literally start a national civil war because of their extremism and intolerance over abortion.

[RememberWellstone]

37. In Florida..lay off Hill!

She is doing her part...and you Obamanites don't watch yourself. Seriously back the fukk off.

Why can't Obama "handle" this himself? I thought he was the answer to all problems? So, you need Hill now but did'nt vet her to Veep? Nice.

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[Nedsdag]

44. No.

She's hoping Obama falls on his face so she can run in 2012.

[Meshuga]

47. More reason to DONATE!!! DONATE!!! DONATE!!!

If that is the perception please give even if it just a little bit to the Obama campaign so they can go on the attack and put McCain away.

[NorthCarolina]

48. If that's true, it doesn't say much for American women as a voting bloc

I put more faith in the intelligence of American voters than I do in any "polls" though, so I have my doubts that Obama has "lost support from women". We're just being fed a constant stream of BS. In fact, I don't even believe McCain is "actually" within just a few points of Obama as the polls seem to "suggest".

[Lemmi]

51. Hillary will never bash Palin..

She will tow the party line- yes. But- she will never bury Palin. It is not politically beneficial to her. 2012 is just around the corner.

[ShadowLiberal]

53. Hillary is campaigning Monday, & wait a week or two, it's probably just a convention bounce for now