Don't Understand It But Feel Like Kerry Is Getting his ass

[Jon8503]

kicked right now. Seems that all the momentum is swinging towards Bush. You can't blame it all on the Swift Boat ads. I was watching Maureen Dowd on Charlie Rose the other night and she said Kerry was running a lame campaign.

Whatever, there is still time but again cannot understand how an idiot can do so well other than there are too many idiots in this country that either don't care or don't bother to pay attention where this country is headed.

Somebody find some good info for us all the read, need an uplift right now, some encouraging words.

[LiberalVoice]

1. uh oh

you're in for alot of responses with this one.

[bigwillq]

2. I love your sig line pic, Liberal Voice

That's about all I can say about this thread

[troublemaker]

35. ... when the correct answer is zero responses

[dennis4868]

3. I have been following Kerry....

for a long time and I can tell you he is the best closer I have ever seen.....listen, he has been attacked with lies for the past 6 weeks with the media not helping him at all and it is still a tie in the polls....Kerry is laying low now, until after the RNC, then I feel he will be in full attack mode....wait for the debates.

[jab105]

4. I agree with you...the tide has shifted, and we need to focus on getting..

it to shift back...this is reality, but its hard to hear it on DU...

So, everyone will most likely make fun of you for saying that the sky is falling...but it's reality that Kerry has lost a lot of momentum lately and thats a big problem specially now, and ignoring it doesnt make it go away...

I'm worried...my hopes were up, and I'm trying to back away from that now so I'm not overwhelmingly disappointed...what happened with the Swift Boats may go away on tv, but as polls show, the damage has been done...Kerry took a risk by picking Edwards, that he could run on his foreign policy experience...I know the SBFB were lies, but the distinction between 527s and the SWFB wasn't made...Bush sets the agenda, Kerry defnds himself...not the way to run a campaign...

Kerry hasn't gotten any successful jabs in on Bush...full impact...I dont get it! We have so much to work with...ugh!

[jrthin]

17. Tide my butt. It's called the

power of the media. If they repeat something loud and often enough, people begin to believe it.

[Cocoa]

5. he was at 4% a month before Iowa

My calculations tell me that Kerry will beat Bush with 900% of the vote. Someone check my math, please.

[JohnKleeb]

9. really? didnt know

[NewYorkerfromMass]

6. You obviously don't understand it

Bush just said we can't win the war on terror.
The election is all but over.
And Maureen Dowd couldn't find anything nice to say about anything if she tried.

[Tomee450]

7. Yes

I feel the same way.

[bobbyboucher]

8. Ass kicked?

When did 250,000 people march down the street pointing out what a global menace Kerry is? Oh, that's right, they didn't.

Kerry will roll Bush up like the punk-ass he is come Nov2.

[bobbyboucher]

11. Oh yeah,

quityerwhining.

[progressiveBadger]

10. That's because all you are going to hear this week is RNC this...

and RNC that. I felt exactly the opposite of you during the DNC. Just hold on till next week. That's when we really kick this baby into gear.

[Eurobabe]

21. remember when reagan croaked? GOP 24/7??

oh ye of little faith.

[Pirate Smile]

12. I think we are in a down part of the roller coaster. I'm sure we will go

back up and down and up and down and END UP.

[NightOwwl]

13. Kerry is doing great...

but his campaign staff leaves a lot to be desired. I've posted this before, but if they can't figure out a decent comeback to "The war is a catastrophic success" then they are not doing a good job.

How hard is it to figure out a sound-bite out of that one. Something like "The war is a catastrophic failure." Duh. Instead they have Edwards out there with a long, meandering response.

The RNC is going to focus non-stop on 9/11. The Kerry campaign must focus also. They need to stop spreading themselves so thin by trying to focus on too many issues. All they need is a good sound bite. What are they waiting for? The war is a catastrophic failure. Webster's defines catastrophe as utter failure. George Bush's war is an utter failure. Repeat it enough and people will believe.

[Malva Zebrina]

34. I agree--there must be some smacking reply

We who are working hard cannot do this on our own. Something has to come from the Kerry campaign that will be a smack down that is effecgtive. I get e-mails from the Kerry campaign from Mary Beth Cahill, but you know it is getting old. I don't need to be revved up because I know I am voting for Kerry to get Bush out. It is a waste of bandwidth as far as I am concerned and I usually do not read it all.

We need our candidate to put on the back burner, so to speak, the intricate and intellectual approach to the issues. They are important to be sure to those who pay attention,but they are boring to many voters.

Bush is stealing the show, albeit with all sorts of lies and propagandist manipulation but he is putting on a show with slogans and other propagandist methods, and I think the majority of voters are more swayed by sound bites than intricate and complicated issues. They become bored with it. We know it is perception and image that are important to many many voters--people want and need to see a fighter up against the bully Bush who will not back down in the face of Kerry over the SBV. Many think that is the sign of a leader--he is "resolute" as one caller said to C=Span, and not be encumbered with long diatribes about issues that indeed are important but are not the things that Bush is throwing at us.

[WindRavenX]

14. Kerry is NOT getting his ass kicked

Goddammit, I am just going to start putting every fucking naysayer on my ignore list...
Look, I don't know how many political campaigns you have been a part of or witnessed, but the fact of the matter is this:
1) John Kerry is a notoriously STRONG FINISHER. In many times during his senate career, he was trailing by HUGE amounts to his challanger, but he always closed with a victory with a large margin. Case in point, the primaries.
2) Kerry is winning the EC- ignore those worthless polls from CNN and the others: they do NOT take into account a key group: likely/leaning voters. AGAIN, in the primaries, Kerry was getting TRASHED in the polls because the polls did NOT take into account this group and guess what? LIKELY VOTERS OVERWHELMINGLY VOTED FOR KERRY. Last election, this group went for Bush. Not this time.
3)The sea of the campaign has its ups and downs; right now, Kerry is down in the polls but not getting trashed. Bush's retention rate is UNDER 50%. NO INCUMBENT that has won "re" election with those numbers.
Bunker down. Politics is NEVER straight forward. But please, let's have some faith here. Kerry is running a far better campaign than Gore, that is reflected in his choice of Edwards as VP.
Time and the truth is on our side.

[Rose Siding]

24. Which EC poll/page are you using?

No one is winning in this one today and I'd like to see one that looks better.

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

[WindRavenX]

27. that link...

...shows a mistake. Kerry, according the new polls, is winning AZ.
He's still winning though.

[Rose Siding]

31. And new polls have Bush ahead in FL

Is there a better EC calculator?

[WindRavenX]

32. no, I don't think so

And IIRC, this one is based on CNN and other more conservative polls.
I predict Ohio is going Kerry...Florida will be, well, Florida.
As long as we take Ohio, we can lose Florida.

[creeksneakers2]

15. I see some hope

coming from Thursday night when Bush announces his new agenda. Advocating privatizing SS will probably play well at first for Bush. Polls show the public favors privatization about two to one. But the facts are against Bush. There is no money to pay for Bush's privatization scheme. We'll have to either drastically increase the deficit ($2 trillion over the next ten years alone) or make deep cuts in benefits. I think if Kerry has the guts to fight uphill he can really win on this one. Bush has stepped on the third rail.

Bush will also announce plans to make our tax system even more in favor of the rich. Kerry can really pound him on this.

If Kerry picks a few issues like these and concentrates on them I think he can win this thing big.

[bigtree]

16. Remember when Howard was up in the polls before the primaries?

That was before Christmas. After the holidays were done with the public focused on the race. Kerry put the pack on its heels in a month.

I've watched a bunch of these presidential elections and I can tell you this is the weakest month in the campaign. It sounds unbelievable, but the bulk, and I mean the bulk of voters don't even tune in until after Labor Day. Even then, many don't bother to look these guys over until a couple of weeks before election day, during the debates and afterward. The faithful and motivated are hanging on to every nuance, but most folks couldn't tell you what Kerry looks like. That's perfectly normal for August.

Bush is well known however, and a majority have problems with the way he has run the country, from foreign affairs to domestic. His economic record is reflected in the lost jobs, falling wages, and lost health care, lying and 'miscalculations' on our invasion and occupation of Iraq, abandonment of our veterans and soldiers, decimation and compromising of our environment in favor of logging interests, nuclear meddlers, and polluters, the abuse and eviceration of our civil liberties, the abandonment of our nation's poor in favor of giving our hard earned tax dollars to the wealthiest, the sham of declaring himself the 'education president' while refusing to actually fund his own inituitives, the snubbing of science in favor of political meddling and obstruction, the attempted use of our constitution to discriminate against our nation's gays and lesbians, the refusal to sanction anyone in his office responsible for the outing of a CIA agent, the reintroduction of new nuclear weapons and weapon's production . . .

Kerry and Edwards are in an incredible position, polling even with an incumbent 'wartime' president. Relax.

[fujiyama]

18. If MAureen Dowd said that

then it must be true. :eyes:

I'm not saying the campaign hasn't lost any ground in the last few weeks - it has lost a little, but he's not getting his "ass kicked" by any means.

[WindRavenX]

20. I like Dowd's columns...

...but damn, that woman needs to seriously stfu sometimes. She sounds just ridiculous.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. These Races Have A Dynamic All Their Own

and great campaigns and campaigners make a difference only at the margin...


Don't forget that Aerosmith was an up and coming bar band the last time a Dem won more than 50% of the popular vote....

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[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. You Can Tell All Your Friends You Made It To One Post At DU

-:)

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[Liberal Veteran]

41. Why do you hate freedom of speech and expression so much?

As Bill Maher said this week: You can't march for peace unless you will to disrupt it!

[Warren DeMontague]

45. "Homos For Peace"

As a fellow 'Demon-crat', you should know that the correct term is "Unregenerate Sodomite Sinners for Appeasement". :eyes:

Now run along.

[seabeyond]

23. dont watch convention. i am feeling up personally, wink

bush is gonna shoot self in foot. whenever we leave bush to be seen, people see. he fucks up. kinda like we cant win..........

[drdigi420]

25. watch for falling sky!

[wurzel]

28. Sad to say Dowd is right!

His agreement with Bush he would vote the same way now as he did then was a disaster. His going after the Bush campaign instead of the media over those "Smearboat" ads was another big mistake. His nonreciprocal agreement to remove that Moveon ad at the request of McCain was another cave in. Kerry said from the beginning he knew he was dealing with the biggest bunch of lying hypocrites he'd ever seen. Yet he continues to trust they and the media will do the "right thing". It is beyond my comprehension! But the media coverage of this Republican Convention will be a gift. If he seizes it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. I Don't Think Kerry Can Afford A Pissing Match With McCain (nt)

[Iceburg]

29. Watch CSPAN if you must subject yourself to the RNC

the phone-in callers will lift your spirit.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

33. Please read this

August 28, 2004

What that "Awful" LA Times Poll Really Means

"But the Bush campaign made a profound miscalculation. In the L.A. Times survey, only 18% of the voters had been convinced that "Kerry misrepresented his war record and does not deserve his war medals" while 58% said Kerry "fought honorably and does deserve" them. Independent voters sided with Kerry 5 to 1. Even men and self-described conservatives - groups that are normally quite pro-Bush - strongly supported Kerry, by 59 to 19 for men and 42 to 29 for conservatives. Other polls, such as the Fox/Opinion Dynamics and Annenberg Center for Public Policy survey found similar attitudes. In the Fox poll, even most veterans held, by 50% to 21% that Kerry deserved his purple hearts.

Moreover, Americans did not buy Bush's transparent attempts to pretend his campaign was not involved with the smear. The Gallup poll showed that more Americans think Bush is responsible for the commercials (50%) then do not (44%) and 56% think he should specifically denounce them while only 32% think he should not. An August 26 Annenberg Center survey found very similar attitudes.

http://www.emergingdemocraticmajorityweblog.com/donkeyr ...

[kentuck]

37. You are being influenced by the psychological warfare going on...

Nobody has cast any votes. Kerry is doing well in the polls. He has survived a major effort to derail his campaign. If they can get Kerry supporters to surrender without a shot fired, they love it like that.

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[markses]

42. See you in November, bitch

We're gonna fucking destroy you assclowns in the election.

Crow while you can. Your boy's going down. Right back to Texas.

[Jon8503]

39. DUs Replies To Me

UhOh you were right, generated a lot of replies and some of them had some good points. I also don't think there was a one that posted that doesn't want the right outcome which is Kerry. However, I have always believed that it is just as important to point out what is going wrong as what is going right. Right now it sure as hell isn't all roses.

Kerry hopefully will be the strong closer we have heard about. He certainly is going to have to be. He has been making a lot of mistakes and can afford few more.

This I believe is the most important election or one of the most important ever. There could be 3 Supreme Court Judges appointed which will affect all of our lives and our sons and daughters. I don't or can't imagine a Scalia court. God help us.

I have always been a liberal and will always be a liberal and I am not a winer.

Love this board, thanks for the replies.

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[Jon8503]

46. Your Post Is Really Not Worth A Repl,y, you sound

like a right winger yourself with the name calling & language. Don't have to address which side I am and evidently from your writing you would not understand anyway.

[goodhue]

40. don't believe the hype

the revolution will not be televised

[calico1]

44. You know....

I am getting more and more depressed reading this message board. Looks like the critics are right when they say Democrats are defeatists because there sure seem to be a lot of them here. Don't you guys realize that by having this attitude you are playing right into what the republicans want? Don't you realize that they would love for a lot of us to stay home and not vote becaue we will figure all is futile? It seems to be working on some of you. I bet some of you are already thinking about sitting the election out, right?

Also, consider this: You say that Kerry is not being tough, that he is weak, yadda, yadda, yadda. Has anyone watched the so called "mainstream" media lately? Since when did they start doing fair reporting? If they did, we would hear more about what Kerry is saying because they would cover more of it. He not only has to fight Bush, he has to fight most of the media which still treats Bush like the darling of the media for the most part.

Today has been terrrible. Its thread after thread of this defeatist attitude. Because some of you are so negative you fail to see that with one month of pounding Kerry with the SBV ads, with Kerry not spending and with Bush spending a lot and campaigning a lot he is still not way ahead of Kerry. He is tied statisticaly according to the polls. Shouldn't he be way ahead in the polls if this is over? Yet some of you are all ready to throw in the towel. Just what the republicans want!

[MessiahRp]

47. Locking

This thread has a lot more bad than good in it and there is definitely a lot of baiting coming from both sides in here.

Rp