Cheney Out? McCain In? DooDoo Deep?

[Rosco T.]

been listening to Ed Schultz and he's repeated several times that the buzz going around is that before the Necropublican's are done Cheney will drop out and the convention will 'draft' McCain...

let's disregard the probability for a minute..

if it were to happen, how deep doodoo would Kerry be in?

[goodhue]

1. It would be a problem.

Holding my breath for 48 hours.

[shoelace414]

2. he would only be the veep..

when it comes down to it.. people don't vote for the veep

[Eurobabe]

4. not unless Bu$h drops off the ticket too?

[blm]

3. Kerry will be debating Bush side by side.

McCain won't be there to hold the dictatortot's hand, will he?

[WI_DEM]

5. I'll say what Kerry should have said when asked about his Iraqi vote

I don't answer hypothetical questions" :)

[rkc3]

6. Kerry would need to point out the obvious -

most republicans thought bush was an idiot in 2000. They voted for him because cheney had brains to spare.

Also, tell America that mccain didn't stand up for himself in light of negative ads from bush supporters and the phone campaign in the south (having a black baby and all) - how could he stand up to terrorists.

[Malva Zebrina]

7. not a good thing if it is more than a rumor nt

[Langis]

8. A lot of doodoo

but it won't happen.

I don't think Kerry could win if it did happen I hate to say. Unless the Plame thing blows up big before the election. But either way I don't think McCain would do it. He is a whore, but I don't think he would go for being Bush's whore for 4 years.

[ItsMyParty]

9. Well, when I saw the CNN Headline news ticker about a small

plane a few weeks ago that came within 1/2 mile of crashing into AirForce II with Cheney aboard, I laughed out loud and wondered if the Evil Empire is now after one of it's own. This is the usual Bush method of getting what they want!!! All Kerry has to do is call up the same swiftboat slimes who slimed McCain and hire them to re-do their 2000 tap dance.

[bahrbearian]

16. They wouldn't bring down Air force 2, just startle him into a Coronary.

[realFedUp]

10. Would explain that kiss on the forehead.

[bahrbearian]

11. It would be a pretty deep hole he dug for himself.

Talking to McCain about a V.P. spot, what was he thinking.

[Sinistrous]

26. As was pointed out here on DU months ago,

Kerry did not talk to McCain about the VP slot. The source of that disinfo was "an unnamed McCain staffer."

As I called it at the time, the Kerry/McCain ticket BS was a Rovian plot to give the Retrogs something of a basis for saying "See what a wonderful VP McCain will be -- even Kerry wanted him"

Cheney will "have an infarction" before the election and McCain will "nobly" accept a draft for VP. The Retrog campaign blurbs will be some variant of my call above.

[bahrbearian]

30. Then why are they saying on Crossfire that he asked him 2 times

no one ever refutes it not even Kerry, he seems to dodge it.The only people that think it never happened are some people here on the DU, the rest of the country seem's to believe it, nobody refutes it. How come?

[Sinistrous]

45. No one denies it except

McCain and Kerry.

Sorry, too late to dig up sources.

[2Design]

12. We have a great team and we can win...McCain was slashed and

burned by this idiot in the residency of the wh......no one would vote for someone who betrays themselves....

AND mccain has said he doesn't want to be anyone's vp...McCain wants the presidency and that is the bottom line......He is a worthless right now and probably will lose his senate seat in Arizona because his bush boot licking...

[Richardo]

13. Well then we'll just have to re-run those race-baiting, POW=psycho ads

...from the 2000 South Carolina primaries. My understanding is that McCain doesn't think they're so bad anymore. :eyes:

[Jo March]

14. Well, it would be more trouble on *'s side, I would think

Due to the rules and all. Cheney had to be "nominated" and now he has to accept the nomination. So, if he does accept and has to drop out, then what is the procedure for that?

I think that he seriously should drop out because of his health but I believe that pure evil is keeping him going at this point.

[olddem43]

17. That happened in '72 in the Eagleton fiasco -

The Dems held a "mini convention" later to nominate Shriver.

[buycitgo]

28. hahahha......."Volt" for Eagleton!

remember that?

National Lampoon campaign button...that motto, with an electric plug and cord, printed so that it was fuzzy, looking like current flowing through it

[olddem43]

44. don't remember that but do remember McGovern saying he

supported Eagleton "1000 percent" just before he was asked to quit.

[yellowcanine]

15. The only way Cheney drops out is if he drops dead. Also, the wingnuts

would revolt unless one of their own replaced Cheney.

[Stew225]

18. How can a misadministration that prides itself

on moronic stubborness, aka "loyalty", do something like this? These idiots never fire anyone no matter what they've done! I would think that if such a September surprise were pulled, there would be a very good way to counteract such an "impulsive" move from an ostenisbly stable group.

[Killarney]

19. Not gonna happen at this point. IMO.

But if it did, yeah, I agree. Deep deep deep doo doo.

[Bryan]

38. What would it change at this point?

I'm not sure it would tip the balance. The platform's already set, and it wouldn't be that much of a surprise; McCain's co-chair of Arizona For Bush, after all. At this point, you either buy McCain's hasty papering-over of his differences with the adminstration or you don't.

More superficially, Team Bush would just be replacing an unpopular crusty old man with a popular crusty old man. No matter who they choose, John Edwards is still going to show up at that debate, lock eyes with the man at the opposite podium, and carve out his heart on live television, while simultaneously articulating a message of hope and optimism and looking like a million bucks.

[xray s]

20. The "buzz" only proves one thing

Cheney is a liability.

He also has a lot of supporters on the floor of the RNC.

If Bush is percieved to dump him in favor of McCain, I think you will see some fireworks.

I personnaly think there isn't a snowballs chance in hell of it happening.

[napi21]

21. The neocons wouldn't want McCain!

This is a tantalizing rumor, but I suspect that's all it is. Or wishful thinking on the part of some. The neocons hate McCain and view him as a traitor because he fights them all the way on almost everything in the Senate. It's the people who loke him. The said on CNN this morning that he has the highest approval rating of any Senator!

[NewYorkerfromMass]

22. Keating 5 man?

No way. Powell would happen before him, and it would be a disaster at this point no matter who they pick unless Jesus himself were on the ticket.

[mazzarro]

23. I don't know about others, but in my books this will spell doom for

the reThugliocans if it should happen because it exposes weakness rather than strenght in their ticket especially if it is clumsily executed.

[Bandit]

24. Bush*'s own Swift Boat Vets said McCain was the only prisoner to gain

weight. That is what they think about him. We could just replay their words with a side note saying Bush* did not condemn that announcement.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

27. Damn, that is SOOOOOOOOO true!

Bush would look like a double ass!

[Ducks In A Row]

25. never happen

but did you hear one of kerry's swiftvet friend mention that o'neill shot up a swiftboat on his first run

why don't we hear that in the media.

[A_Possum]

31. link? where'd you hear this? n/t

[lottie244]

29. Talk about untrustworthy bedfellows? this would be a disaster, I think,

for the Republicans. And McCain's wife would probably divorce him.

[BootinUp]

32. Actually I don't think it would help enough

Maybe a point or two, but since shrub is going to loose by more than 5 it won't matter.

[kwolf68]

33. Nope

Although nothing would surprise me with this crowd. If they think they are due to lose and putting Charles Mansen on the ticket would help, they’d do it. We are in the throws of the most corrupt, malignant movement in the history of American politics.

Sadly, it co-opts what are otherwise good people and completely brainwashes them until un-accountable power is granted to the chieftains. At which point they wrap themselves up in clichés, the flag, freedom and overt patriotism. They govern so far to the right it sends anyone left of Khan scurrying to the protest line. But when the time comes to “win the will of the people”, the face of moderation is what is illuminated while the truth of this party remains locked away in a coffin in the dungeon merely resting until night falls on our landscape.

I don’t care WHO this crowd brings in to replace Crashcart, removing these scumfuckers will continue to be priority #1.

[ieoeja]

34. McCain 62% - Guiliani 94%

Given their respective approval rates among the RNC delegates, why in the world would idiot tag McCain with Guiliani standing right there?

[DoYouEverWonder]

35. Maybe that's why the new bumperstickers

only say W'04 on them.

Makes it a lot easier, if you're planning to change horses in the middle of the race.

What are the deadlines for changing the ballots, though. That is the make or break date if Cheney is going to drop out.

BTW: He does look like shit lately.

[Javaman]

36. I predicted months ago that chaney will pull...

a fake heart attack or something along those lines to get out of the veep job. I was thinking that perhaps it would be a command performance at the convention.

[Darby]

37. What about the confetti?

It purportedly has Dick and Lynn Cheney on it - or was that just a red herring.....

[misterphelps]

39. Dick looked like a pud on Ellis Island

Did you see him struggling up the stairs? He's going to look like a lump next to Edwards

[WiseMen]

40. Would not surprise. Hope DNC is prepared for that.

[Darby]

41. I think they want Jeb in 2008, so keep

Cheney around until then.

Then give McCain the South Carolina treatment AGAIN when he tries to get the nomination away from Jeb.

[zulchzulu]

42. McCain telling Chimpy he was disgusting would be the new Kerry ad

Besides, people will vote for President. It still would get down to Kerry vs. Bush.

McCain is anti-choice and is not that moderate at all.

[AgadorSparticus]

43. how can they just dump cheney? what about the contributions for

the bush/cheney ticket? they can't keep it then, no?

anyways, i don't think cheney will allow them to take him off the roster. power is power and it is mighty addictive.