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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 04:35 PM
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FOX: Obama: Surge Succeeded Beyond ‘Wildest Dreams’
read it here - i refuse to go past the headline, kp

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/04/obama-surge-suc... /

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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 04:37 PM
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1. i am not gonna, lol lol. i refuse. you wuss.... lol. sittin around waiting for soneone to read.
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stolivodka Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 04:37 PM
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2. I knew it was a mistake for him to go on FOX.
Damn.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 04:38 PM
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3. Here you go, scairdy:
Edited on Thu Sep-04-08 04:40 PM by Kurt_and_Hunter
I highlighted what McCain will probably work into to his speech tonight. (This stuff is all so predictable)

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The troop surge in Iraq has been more successful than anyone could have imagined, Barack Obama conceded Thursday in his first-ever interview on FOX News’ “The O’Reilly Factor.”

As recently as July, the Democratic presidential candidate declined to rate the surge a success, but said it had helped reduce violence in the country. On Thursday, Obama acknowledged the 2007 increase in U.S. troops has benefited the Iraqi people.

“I think that the surge has succeeded in ways that nobody anticipated,” Obama said while refusing to retract his initial opposition to the surge. “I’ve already said it’s succeeded beyond our wildest dreams.”

Watch Barack Obama’s interview with Bill O’Reilly at 8 p.m. ET Thursday on FOX News Channel.

However, he added, the country has not had enough “political reconciliation” and Iraqis still have not taken responsibility for their country.

Speaking on other national security matters, Obama said he would not take military action off the table in dealing with Iran, but diplomacy and sanctions can’t be overlooked. (snip)
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 04:41 PM
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5. That's a major gaffe. n/t
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 04:56 PM
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15. How can it be a gaffe when he's said it several times before?
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 05:28 PM
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27. You know, you have made snide comments for a while now about
Edited on Thu Sep-04-08 05:28 PM by 1corona4u
Obama...I wonder who's side you're really on now...
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 04:42 PM
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7. I wonder if this will be mentioned tonight in the speech
And we all know O'Reilly will be crowing about this for days (whether anybody's listening to him or not).
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 04:43 PM
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8. wtf is WRONG with him?
this campaign is ALL about the sound bite, as this thread indicates

I can't believe he used those words

and, yes, 'concern' freaks, this does 'concern' me, because you WILL see this in pug ads by tomorrow

what a huge mistake. I said on another thread that whatever he says will be twisted against him, but he's provided easy fodder

very discouraged by this tactical error. no way to spin this positively; another attack point which dems will be forced to defend for a LONG time

in contrast, dems need to find and use quoted from mccain like this one to put the PUGS on defense for a change:

http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=rWOZKeOauNI
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 05:31 PM
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29. Ah, yes this train is never late.
All second guess all the time.
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 04:40 PM
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4. Here 'ya go - Oops (on edit) - here it is AGAIN - thanks, K&H
Edited on Thu Sep-04-08 04:42 PM by democrat2thecore
As recently as July, the Democratic presidential candidate declined to rate the surge a success, but said it had helped reduce violence in the country. On Thursday, Obama acknowledged the 2007 increase in U.S. troops has benefited the Iraqi people.

“I think that the surge has succeeded in ways that nobody anticipated,” Obama said while refusing to retract his initial opposition to the surge. “I’ve already said it’s succeeded beyond our wildest dreams.”

However, he added, the country has not had enough “political reconciliation” and Iraqis still have not taken responsibility for their country.


edit to add paragraph

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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 04:41 PM
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6. Don't fall for the Fox feint, kpete... Obama no doubt added his famously smooth "but" afterwards.
Have faith that Obama has a calm canniness forged from 20 months of hellacious campaigning and
gotcha politics.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 04:44 PM
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9. it doesn't matter. they'll only use the first part, and it'll be in an ad tomorrow.
or the next day

just watch what they do with it
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 04:50 PM
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13. So what? What Obama said undercuts one of McCain's central arguments --->
Edited on Thu Sep-04-08 05:01 PM by ClarkUSA
McCain has been constantly whining at his townhalls about how Obama doesn't think the surge worked even now,
trying to paint Obama as being a stubborn neophyte.

Well, he can't do that anymore. There might be that ad you're fretting about, but Obama can cut any number of ads
featuring McCain's turnabouts on offshore oil drilling, immigration, tax breaks for the wealthy, etc.

I don't see why it's so bad for Obama to admit the truth.
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stolivodka Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 05:01 PM
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19. NOT THE TRUTH
The Shiite-dominated government just ethnically cleansed most of the Sunni factions, creating the "peace" of the dead. Now they are splitting into rival Shiite factions which will soon be at each others throats.

This didn't have a damn thing to do with the fact that Bush sent several thousand additional troops to hide behind 20-foot walls in the green zone.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 05:10 PM
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21. The surge worked in reducing violence. Sens. Webb, Kerry, Biden, etc. have all said so.
Edited on Thu Sep-04-08 05:11 PM by ClarkUSA
I am doubtful that all those additional troops hid "behind 20-foot walls" all this time.

Have a link?
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stolivodka Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 05:21 PM
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24. How could there be violence
when all of the non-shiite factions have been wiped out?

So what if all of those guys said that the "surge worked"? Since Bush didn't define victory, he was going to take any sign of anything resembling progress in Iraq and use it to claim that the surge "worked". Democrats fall for those kind of lame rhetorical traps, all the time.

Iraq has been split into 3 ethic regions with de-facto autonomous governments. If Bush wants to claim that's what he was going for, this whole time, he can do so. I, for one, don't call that "victory" or "success". It was a screwup for Senate Democrats to fall for this trap, and it was a screwup for Obama to. I'm sure that he had a big "but.." clause in his statement, but SURPRISE! FOX left that out. What the hell did he expect!?
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 05:52 PM
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34. No link, eh?
Edited on Thu Sep-04-08 05:55 PM by ClarkUSA
Didn't think so.

You might want to tone down the angry ranting and supply some facts to back up your claims.

BTW, I trust Senator James Webb's take on the surge more than yours.

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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 04:45 PM
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10. not a gaffe. he's said the same thing, and he's said it's ultimately
about the political success of Iraqis governing on their own.
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 04:49 PM
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12. Thank you slinkerwink - I was going to point that out.
He's said the exact same thing before. As a military exercise, success, it's the corrolary activity that the surge was supposed to allow that has failed.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 04:57 PM
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16. the "no one could have anticipated" seems like an invitation
for McCain to talk about judgment.
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Alhena Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 04:46 PM
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11. Who cares? The surge is history- people care about what's ahead
and to be honest- there is a lot less violence in Iraq than before. I still don't want to spend 10 billion dollars a month there though- let's spend it here.
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 04:53 PM
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14. I think the bigger issue is that
Condi signed an agreement for Obama's "timeline", Shrub reduced the 15 month tours of duty to 12 months, all signs point to the Administration CONCEDING to Obama. I.e., Shrub has eaten crow.
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maseman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 05:00 PM
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18. I don't have a problem with this at all
I heard him say this the other day somewhere. The surge has worked to reduce violence. period. But we need to get out now. He layed out a timeline and the Shrub has essentially signed on to it.
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 04:57 PM
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17. the Surge was far more successfull than my wildest dreams.
In that we are not all dead in WWIII with Iran yet. yet.
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cameozalaznick Donating Member (624 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 05:03 PM
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20. The cool thing about this is...
my reich-wing dittohead brother watches O'Reilly and might actually see Obama.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 05:12 PM
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22. I've said it when a repug said it, and I will repeat it when a democrat says it...
how can there be ANY use of the word success in Iraq when we have been party to the killing of 1.2 million citizens, when we have made refugees of 2 million more from their own country, when we are responsible for another 2 million being forced from their homes AND the almost complete distruction of the countries infrastructure?
I LOATHE the use of the word SUCCESS in conjunction with IRAQ. :mad:
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 05:16 PM
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23. Well no SHIT it succeeded. If we had sent in enough friggen troops to begin with
we wouldn't have had NEARLY the levels of violence and death we experienced prior to the "surge." Democrats and Republican critics of the war have said several times that we didn't devote enough resources to the effort, so it would make sense that sending in more troops would probably work.

This does not speak to the wrongness of the war. It is simply a fact that in providing more troops, we've been able to stem off further violence as should have been the case YEARS ago.
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 05:25 PM
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26. mho
the "surge" is code for "ethnic cleansing"
kpete
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 05:47 PM
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32. I think that's a little extreme. But ok.
If they wanted to ethnically cleanse the country, they would have sent in far more guns and fire power.

The term is "imperialism."
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lamp_shade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 05:22 PM
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25. What's the big deal? He's made the same comments many times before...
using pretty much the exact same words.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 05:29 PM
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28. Obama knows how to pick and choose his issues. He's doing that.
Obama is trying to shape the debate so that it is about topics he can WIN on, not just give a defensible position. He's trying to cull all the issues that allow the GOP to smack him around. He knows that the key to winning is controlling the debate and parsing the issues properly.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 05:34 PM
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30. It doesn't matter if the surge was "successful" or not.
That's not the point. The point is that it was a crime for us to get involved there in the first place. History is littered with tyrants who had successful military campaigns, but that didn't make them right.
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kwolf68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 05:41 PM
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31. Agree

And now we see some here on DU saying we needed more troops to begin with. Some people shift with their favorite politicians. I am passionately for Obama and I know the practical approach here, but the war was always wrong.
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 05:52 PM
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33. Saying we needed more troops to begin with is not a tacit endorsement for the war.
It's saying that they made TACTICAL and STRATEGIC errors in the war that they INSISTED on having. that if they were going to go in there they should have followed the advice of the generals that Bush later fired, and that was to have more troops. I'd rather they hadn't gone over there at all and was never behind this war. Even if it had gone off without a hitch with minimal casualties and violence, I would have been against it. But that doesn't negate the fact that we screwed up in the initial execution of the war and should have had more ground troops to better contain the violence.
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