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Mrs. Overall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Sep-04-08 11:56 AM
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My highfalutin' redneck family rant:
Edited on Thu Sep-04-08 12:07 PM by paxmusa
I am absolutely fuming angry this morning. The atmosphere in which I grew up and must continue to deal with regarding my family is now being played out on a national, political stage.

My immediate family members are rapid Republicans who:

barely finished high school
were pregnant as teenagers or were responsible for getting teenage girls pregnant
are very prejudiced against all ethnic groups
are anti-feminist and anti-gay
have had numerous extra marital affairs
have been divorced several times
have children who barely finish high school and get pregnant outside marriage, marry, then divorce
have drug and alcohol issues
have big family blow-ups with guns and restraining orders involved
have no desire to live or travel beyond where they grew up (Northern CA)
are not involved in community activities or political activities
wholeheartedly have supported Bush and Cheney and the Iraq war

I decided as a teenager that I wanted to have a different future, so I have been looked on with pity and considered the "black sheep of the family" and am often made fun of. I am:

a Democrat/Progressive
college educated
still married to the same husband with no affairs or divorces
no drama to speak of
with two teens who are working hard so they can attend college
with two teens who know about birth control
a person who wants to visit new places, meet a variety of people from all backgrounds
have been involved in volunteer work, teaching, and have been politically active in my community

AND I AM THE ONE WHO IS THE OUTCAST, THE BLACK SHEEP, THE ONE THEY FEEL NERVOUS TO INTRODUCE TO THEIR FRIENDS. THEY ARE CHRISTIANS AND "FAMILY VALUES VOTERS" AND HAVE EXPRESSED TO ME THAT THEY WORRY FOR THE STATE OF MY SOUL. THEY BELIEVE THAT EDUCATION "RUINED" ME.

SARAH PALIN, in all of her grand hypocrisy, panders to this group, mocking and deriding Obama and the very principles of social justice. It is really pissing me off. We cannot have this mindset involved in running our country.

Jeez, I was awake at 3am stewing about all of these things this morning.
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   Forget them  madmax   Sep-04-08 11:57 AM   #1 
   Proud celebration of ignorance and stupidity is apparently the new American way  nam78_two   Sep-04-08 11:59 AM   #2 
   Anti-intellectualism is a Republican Party Plank these days  Moochy   Sep-04-08 12:06 PM   #17 
      "When your entire worldview is supported by lies, racism & xenophobia, higher education is enemy #1"  nam78_two   Sep-04-08 12:09 PM   #19 
   At some point you have to decide if they are worth your trouble.  azmouse   Sep-04-08 11:59 AM   #3 
   For the most part I do ignore them. It is just difficult to see the same dynamics  paxmusa   Sep-04-08 12:01 PM   #5 
   As Dems, we have to keep forging ahead for the next generation.  azmouse   Sep-04-08 12:04 PM   #12 
   Mrs. Lib and I simply avoid family as much as we can  rurallib   Sep-04-08 12:01 PM   #7 
   Success is the best revenge, my dear.  panAmerican   Sep-04-08 12:00 PM   #4 
   We Must Be Related  Steely_Dan   Sep-04-08 12:01 PM   #6 
   no shit...  Labors of Hercules   Sep-04-08 12:05 PM   #14 
   Excellent contrast.  JohnnyLib2   Sep-04-08 12:02 PM   #8 
   Gladly the 5th...nt  OwnedByFerrets   Sep-04-08 12:03 PM   #9 
   Damn it girl, let's go have a brew at the pub!  Sequoia   Sep-04-08 12:03 PM   #10 
   OMG! You've become an ELITIST!  Ron_Green   Sep-04-08 12:03 PM   #11 
   You did well in escaping their values & attitudes  marylanddem   Sep-04-08 12:04 PM   #13 
   wow  Neecy   Sep-04-08 12:05 PM   #15 
   Sort of close--Redding!  paxmusa   Sep-04-08 12:09 PM   # 
      We MUST be distant relatives  Neecy   Sep-04-08 12:36 PM   #23 
         Yep, sounds very familiar! You also just reminded me of another element I omitted:  paxmusa   Sep-04-08 01:41 PM   #26 
            oh, and see if your family includes this, too....  Neecy   Sep-04-08 02:10 PM   #32 
               Yes:  paxmusa   Sep-04-08 02:17 PM   #33 
   was awake till 4 pm, upset I could 't sleep. Have to have my blood pressure read  trueblue2007   Sep-04-08 12:06 PM   #16 
   I'm on the verge of cutting ties with my brother.  Just-plain-Kathy   Sep-04-08 12:07 PM   #18 
   I have cut ties with my brother's wife over her persistent e-mailing  mnhtnbb   Sep-04-08 02:26 PM   #34 
      I have a niece who sent me a link this morning telling me how Obama is related to Cheney...  Just-plain-Kathy   Sep-04-08 02:48 PM   #38 
   I'm outraged too....... nice rant n/t  Ichingcarpenter   Sep-04-08 12:09 PM   #20 
   Also a black sheep, I have been excommunicated from my family.....  texanshatingbush   Sep-04-08 12:30 PM   #21 
   We HAVE had this mindset running our country for 8 years.  redqueen   Sep-04-08 12:32 PM   #22 
   actually, we're your family  BareNakedLiberal   Sep-04-08 01:02 PM   #24 
   Thank you! Yes, DU is a place where I feel "at home" and now I live far from my family  paxmusa   Sep-04-08 01:37 PM   #25 
   not a black sheep, more like a grey sheep, but I know what you are talking about  yellowdogintexas   Sep-04-08 01:42 PM   #27 
   I feel your pain....  Kaylee   Sep-04-08 01:48 PM   #28 
   YOU and your family are the American Ideal before it got distorted.  Chloroplast   Sep-04-08 02:01 PM   #29 
   We can't choose the families we are born into, but at least you found a new one at DU :^)  GreenPartyVoter   Sep-04-08 02:03 PM   #30 
   I was on a house boat last week in Orroville. 20 old pals trying to convince me Obama was muslim.  cottonseed   Sep-04-08 02:04 PM   #31 
   I was awake at 3am too!  sam kane   Sep-04-08 02:30 PM   #35 
   No Way. This is just the horrible process whereby their hypocrisy is exposed--  paxmusa   Sep-04-08 02:34 PM   #36 
   k&r  yardwork   Sep-04-08 02:41 PM   #37 
 
madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Sep-04-08 11:57 AM
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1. Forget them
:hug:
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nam78_two (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Sep-04-08 11:59 AM
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2. Proud celebration of ignorance and stupidity is apparently the new American way
Edited on Thu Sep-04-08 11:59 AM by nam78_two
or old way...

or something.

At any rate celebration of ignorance and stupidity is awesome and anything else is "elitist" apparently :eyes:.
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Moochy (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Sep-04-08 12:06 PM
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17. Anti-intellectualism is a Republican Party Plank these days
Edited on Thu Sep-04-08 12:06 PM by Moochy
Another one of their varied weapons in the Culture Wars(tm)

When your entire worldview is supported by lies, racism and xenophobia, higher education is enemy #1.
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nam78_two (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Sep-04-08 12:09 PM
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19. "When your entire worldview is supported by lies, racism & xenophobia, higher education is enemy #1"
Edited on Thu Sep-04-08 12:09 PM by nam78_two
Excellent and succinct-in a nutshell that is it.
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Sep-04-08 11:59 AM
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3. At some point you have to decide if they are worth your trouble.
I now ignore my RW brother and his wife. Life is much better.
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Mrs. Overall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Sep-04-08 12:01 PM
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5. For the most part I do ignore them. It is just difficult to see the same dynamics
being played out in a national election. And seeing the absurdity of the whole thing.

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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Sep-04-08 12:04 PM
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12. As Dems, we have to keep forging ahead for the next generation.
Life has to be made better for them. There are only so many we can get through to and so many who want to be helped.
Some people just enjoy wallowing in their ignorance. It's always been that way and always will.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Sep-04-08 12:01 PM
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7. Mrs. Lib and I simply avoid family as much as we can
just wasn't worth the hassle and tension. We are much happier.
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panAmerican (845 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Sep-04-08 12:00 PM
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4. Success is the best revenge, my dear.
Edited on Thu Sep-04-08 12:01 PM by panAmerican
Though my our immediate family isn't like that (my side or my husband's side), I saw plenty of this "we're-dumb-and-we're-proud-of-it" attitude in many people I went to school with.

It's an absolute pleasure to have these same people who mocked us for studying hard to make something of ourselves, now wait on us at the department stores, at the shoe store, or at a restaurant.

(Edited for typos)
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Steely_Dan (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Sep-04-08 12:01 PM
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6. We Must Be Related
I've faced the same kinda crap in my family...I'm the strange one in my family...Go figure

-P
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Labors of Hercules (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Sep-04-08 12:05 PM
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14. no shit...
and I don't know about yours, but my family will NEVER understand just how pathetic their lives really are...
They think their way of life is WONDERFUL!!!

omg it's a disgrace to humanity.

:scared:
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Sep-04-08 12:02 PM
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8. Excellent contrast.

You've given a one-family view of the choices before the country in November.


Recommended!
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Sep-04-08 12:03 PM
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9. Gladly the 5th...nt
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Sep-04-08 12:03 PM
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10. Damn it girl, let's go have a brew at the pub!
I wish. I know how you feel about the black sheep thing. I felt the same about myself as regards to being a "liberal Democrat". From the very first when Bush stole the election and I told some family members that Iraq did not have WMDs, etc. Everything I told them has come true and now one sibling has married a person more liberal than me...and a Dem to boot !! Ha. But you...what a mean family. The state of your soul...ha...lord above. You hang in there.
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Ron Green Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Sep-04-08 12:03 PM
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11. OMG! You've become an ELITIST!
Lots of people on this board are going to have to put you on ignore now.













Do I have to do this?









:sarcasm:
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marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Sep-04-08 12:04 PM
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13. You did well in escaping their values & attitudes

seriously, you're higher on the evolutionary chain than they are.
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Sep-04-08 12:05 PM
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15. wow
That describes one entire branch of my family in Northern California. Are we related? :)

Let me guess --- they live in Guerneville.
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Mrs. Overall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Sep-04-08 12:09 PM
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Sort of close--Redding!
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Sep-04-08 12:36 PM
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23. We MUST be distant relatives
Edited on Thu Sep-04-08 12:38 PM by Neecy
I read your list and mentally ticked off everything that related to my NorCal branch...and it included everything.

*my cousin who was knocked up at 15, married at 16, and spent her honeymoon camping in the Sierra Nevadas with her teen-aged husband who was missing half his teeth. They divorced two years later and she's now on her third husband.
*the other cousin who sold drugs from her trailer park in Guerneville - and she had a lot of competition for sales. The last time I went to visit her I was offered a myriad of illegal drugs from half a dozen of her neighbors. The law finally caught up with her so she fled over the state line to Reno.
*the other cousin who abused his children to the point where the oldest immediately joined the Army at age 18 to get away from him, and has now finished his third tour of Iraq. His father brags about his son's 'sacrifice' and loves this war. His other two children moved to San Francisco and haven't spoken to him in years. Oh, and the oldest son in the Army has major PTSD - not a problem to his patriotic daddy.
*My uncle who is a professional thief and con artist who now lives in a little shack outside of Sacramento.

ALL of these people - except the two who escaped and moved to SF - are rabid Republicans who think their 'values' are soooooo superior. It would be hysterically funny if it wasn't so pathetic and ignorant.
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Mrs. Overall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Sep-04-08 01:41 PM
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26. Yep, sounds very familiar! You also just reminded me of another element I omitted:
the abusive element in many of my family members' relationships.

And, you are so right how it would be so laughable if it weren't so pathetic.

Sarah Palin and her agenda would set this country back a century.
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Sep-04-08 02:10 PM
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32. oh, and see if your family includes this, too....
The one who abused his children rails against welfare (if it's given to African-Americans) but is on Social Security Disability and has been for years - yet built an entire home in the mountains from scratch, with his own hands, despite the 'bad back' that is just tooooo painful to allow him to work.

Hates handouts for other people - takes them himself, and in a fraudulent manner as well. And the thrice-married cousin is constantly on welfare and food stamps but hates the Democrats who fight for her benefits.

Insanity.
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Mrs. Overall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Sep-04-08 02:17 PM
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33. Yes:
Edited on Thu Sep-04-08 02:18 PM by paxmusa
Brother-in-law, very redneck who voted for Arnold (but held his nose because Arnold is too liberal) hurt his back on the logging truck and now can't get compensation because the state Republicans cut the program.

My niece, who doesn't speak kindly of immigrants and especially Mexican workers, complains about "handouts" but had a baby at 18 and relied on WIC to buy food.
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trueblue2007 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Sep-04-08 12:06 PM
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16. was awake till 4 pm, upset I could 't sleep. Have to have my blood pressure read
I have a doctor appointment in 2 hours.

I guess if it's sky high, my WOMAN doctor will appreciate why I'm so upset.
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Just-plain-Kathy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Sep-04-08 12:07 PM
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18. I'm on the verge of cutting ties with my brother.
It's very stressful to have loved ones who think so differently than you on such important issues.
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Sep-04-08 02:26 PM
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34. I have cut ties with my brother's wife over her persistent e-mailing
of lies and bullshit about Obama. I just couldn't take anymore. I told her I couldn't respect
a person who wasn't concerned about spreading lies.

Granted, this has been building for a long time (I've known her for 40 some years) but I reached
my breaking point. I have no regrets.

My brother seems to understand it--he's complained mightily over the years about his wife's inability
to listen to someone with a different point of view.

So far, it doesn't seem to have affected relationships with her kids--my nephews and niece. One nephew
visited us in August before going to start his graduate studies in MD, and he's coming back to spend Thanksgiving with us in NC (His parents live in SF and will be going to Hawaii for Thanksgiving).

Sometimes it's better to let go.
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Just-plain-Kathy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Sep-04-08 02:48 PM
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38. I have a niece who sent me a link this morning telling me how Obama is related to Cheney...
...I told her it was old news. I also told her that Kerry is related to Bush. I told her if we go back far enough we're all bound to be related to some famous historian. I told her that I'm hoping we're related to Benjamin Franklin, because he was so smart.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Sep-04-08 12:09 PM
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20. I'm outraged too....... nice rant n/t
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texanshatingbush Donating Member (413 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Sep-04-08 12:30 PM
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21. Also a black sheep, I have been excommunicated from my family.....
During my last conversation with my brother in May 2008, during which he heaped venom on me, I nonetheless almost laughed when he came up with this line: "Everything that's wrong with this country today is the fault of you and your hippie generation."

In case you can't guess, he is a wingnut, and my husband and I have decided he definitely belongs to the lunatic fringe.

I stayed awake last night stewing about it, too. My heart breaks at the family bust-up. But this is what I have decided: there is nothing I can say or do to change things, so why should I continue to play the role of peacemaker, since it only hurts me grievously and leaves me feeling desolate?

My advice: be kind to yourself, and stay away from your family as much as possible. Focus on good.

Peace be with you.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Sep-04-08 12:32 PM
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22. We HAVE had this mindset running our country for 8 years.
Worked out great, huh?

:crazy:
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Sep-04-08 01:02 PM
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24. actually, we're your family
we share the same values and we will encourage you and your family to continue to seek your highest life.
:hug:
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Mrs. Overall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Sep-04-08 01:37 PM
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25. Thank you! Yes, DU is a place where I feel "at home" and now I live far from my family
and make it a rule to associate with people who have similar, open-minded, Democratic values.

I just want people to realize how Sarah Palin is lifting up the "redneck" element and deriding Obama's politically and socially mature message.
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yellowdogintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Sep-04-08 01:42 PM
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27. not a black sheep, more like a grey sheep, but I know what you are talking about
for me it is the in laws.



I am really glad the election will be over, however it turns out when we have Thanksgiving dinner.

My sisters know better than to even discuss it with me, as they know politically I am our mother's child. So we let it be.
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Kaylee (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Sep-04-08 01:48 PM
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28. I feel your pain....
I didn't know whether to laugh or cry when I watched 'Idiocracy' earlier this year. It hit too close to home (meaning America).
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Chloroplast (723 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Sep-04-08 02:01 PM
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29. YOU and your family are the American Ideal before it got distorted.
Working hard and sharing your knowledge and time with your community for the betterment of all, is the America we are losing. Your family should be proud of you and what you and your husband have been able to do not only as a couple but as parents and community members. I am continually surprised at how society is trying to honor those that refuse to better themselves but those like you are what give me hope.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Sep-04-08 02:03 PM
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30. We can't choose the families we are born into, but at least you found a new one at DU :^)
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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Sep-04-08 02:04 PM
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31. I was on a house boat last week in Orroville. 20 old pals trying to convince me Obama was muslim.
Edited on Thu Sep-04-08 02:06 PM by cottonseed
It's tough up there, no doubt. I've got about the same story. Family, friends in Northern California, but I had to get the hell out of there. I'm a San Francisco liberal now ;-). It was funny and sad all at the same time, I mentioned Obama once, and with the beers flowing, ended up arguing with the whole boat in the middle of the night. Couldn't stand arguing the same old conservative crap they sop up for Savage and Limbaugh. Infuriating, but I gave them hell for it.
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sam kane Donating Member (228 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Sep-04-08 02:30 PM
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35. I was awake at 3am too!
I'm afraid this confirms that the fix is in and these crazy people are going to finish off what they started.
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36. No Way. This is just the horrible process whereby their hypocrisy is exposed--
if the media will do their job.

I really don't believe the fix is in.
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37. k&r
The Republican Party's platform has ensured that a lot of Americans stay desperate, poor, and uneducated. It's easier to control people that way.
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