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NRaleighLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 10:16 PM
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As my wife and I discussed today, if McCain and Palin win this
election, we are going to have to consider getting out of this country - it is truly, truly, perhaps permanently, fucked. I am utterly disgusted, as I watch David Brooks say things like "she attacked, but did it nicely".
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 10:18 PM
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1. I agree....
I'm on Monster and CareerBuilder now... No way am I going to expose my wife and son to this shit.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 10:19 PM
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2. Me too. Got any ideas about where's a good place to go?
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 10:25 PM
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11. Anywhere willing to
harbor us after the last 8 years
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NotThisTime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 10:31 PM
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18. Brisbane Australia - great place to go and live...
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 10:41 PM
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34. The guy I crush on lives there. I want to visit the South Bank Parklands. n/t
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anakie Donating Member (935 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 11:00 PM
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51. greetings
from about 100 km north of Brisbane.

Peace
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holboz Donating Member (641 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 10:20 PM
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3. hear hear
Edited on Wed Sep-03-08 10:24 PM by holboz
lol, my husband and I have been preparing this possibility all year. He requested a job transfer to London with his company, and just started his new job over there on Monday.

I have to stay until the house is sold but I already have my UK residency visa and my daughter has her British passport. If those 2 win it's over for this country. Honestly, we can't take 4 more years of this kind of hateful, belittling, divide and conquer crap.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 10:29 PM
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16. London is just as bad if not worse than here.
The Labor party are about as effective as Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. The British people are spied on now by government cameras placed near everywhere over 3000 times per week. Britain has a hand in every war at every opportunity.

Italy has an open fascist leading it right now. Where really can people go?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 12:03 AM
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Liberal Gramma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 10:20 PM
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4. I've thought the same thing.
I thought we'd win with Kerry (we did) and if this gruesome twosome beat the Dems, whose ticket represents the best hope America has, then we are truly screwn.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 10:21 PM
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5. Dear BF and I
Have been speaking about it for weeks. Considering Berlin.
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 10:21 PM
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6. Way Ahead of You
I go to India to help a friend set up a business, and then I start marketing myself to overseas employers.
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 10:21 PM
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7. we're outta here if these assclowns win (steal) the elections
love to go to europe but if not, costa rica or panama even though I hate the heat.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 08:11 AM
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 08:23 AM
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71. If you forgot your sarcasm thing, that's one thing
but if you honestly think we have no choices because america is so great, you clearly are on of a party where they never leave the USA.

Right, Bush never left (and he is such a stellar example of intellectualism) and now you got Witch Flick who only left the once...when she was what was it? Commanding the National Guard? Oh, no, that's right, she lied about that and you all bought it. So, she was just there for the photo op and got her first passport to leave wassila-tucky! How cute.

You obviously have no idea what kind of freedoms we've lost here...but then, you deserve to live in a Fascist state if you don't care enough to keep up.
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AllieB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 08:26 AM
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72. Bye.
:popcorn:
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sazemisery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 10:22 PM
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8. Mr.sazemisery has stated the same thing.
I am saddened that I might leave this country for good.
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carpediem Donating Member (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 10:22 PM
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9. definitely.
I talked to my husband as this was going on and said, if they win after everything that has gone on the last 8 years and has come out about Palin the last several days, if they manage to fool the country again or steal it again, we have to leave. I have 3 kids and there is no way they will live here if she is anywhere near the presidency. I dislike her as strongly as I dislike Bush.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 10:24 PM
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10. as long as this one looks good (and will improve...)
http://www.electoral-vote.com /

no need to hasten too much

the debate with the pitt-bull with lipstick is in 4 weeks...

make donations
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chiefofclarinet Donating Member (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 10:42 PM
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35. Even electoral-vote.com has Obama ahead?!
Dang, that site is the most conservative of three groups I check for polls (and least statistically accurate, too). Both FiveThirtyEight.com and DU's own phrigndumass have a better statistical analysis of the polls, and they look even better for Obama.

Still not getting complacent, though. Even though we say that Palin failed with her speech, it's going to rally the base, which was the whole purpose of the thing.
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liberal renegade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 10:27 PM
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12. DU has 126,150 members
maybe we could start our own little country.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 10:35 PM
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25. Good plan. Islands are cheap. 90 million for a nice one.
We just need to put in about $720 each. That's a plan and I'm in.
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liberal renegade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 10:47 PM
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42. location?
Edited on Wed Sep-03-08 10:48 PM by tenaciousradical
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 08:38 AM
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79. Depends.
There are places off the coast of Florida, Portugal, China. I mean their literally everywhere and up for sale. Name a continent and take your pick...Here's one link but there are tons of others. I'm aiming for a South American Island, but I'm not picky.


http://www.privateislandsonline.com/
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Popol Vuh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 08:45 AM
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81. I would be up for that
Someone draft a constitution. Make sure pot can never be prohibited. :smoke:

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liberal renegade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 05:38 PM
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139. Make our economy revolve around the mean green
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 11:01 PM
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52. That counts all of our citizens in the graveyard too
:scared:
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hasssan1 Donating Member (439 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 11:56 PM
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65. This is Our Country and no one should force us to leave it , FIGHT BACK
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 08:45 AM
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82. V where are you?
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Balbus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 09:10 AM
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90. And 126,149 said they were going to leave the country after last election.
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calmblueocean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 10:28 PM
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13. The choice is too clear to even be close. If McCain wins, it's America that moved away from me.
The Republicans have been mindfucking this country since Reagan and Limbaugh came onto the national scene in the 80s. It's terrifying to see how well they've succeeded in transforming what was once a peace-loving, thoughtful, humble nation into a celebrity-obsessed, warmongering, vapid, arrogant, terrified, hateful land.

I believe the balance still falls on the side of the good, but I thought Kerry was going to win in 2004, too. If the country actually does choose McCain over Obama, I will know that the America I know and love really is dead.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 10:28 PM
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14. I'll be leading a bicycle caravan to Belize.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 10:32 PM
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19. Cliff did you ever work at Borders?
I had a buddy who called to Belizian embassy to find out if he could take his citizenship even though he was born in the US but his mum was born in Belize. Apparently you can get your dual citizenship if your an American and your parent is Belizian.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 10:37 PM
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28. Nope never did. I might know some expatriots there now, and I like the bush...
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 10:45 PM
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40. Ahh okay. Yeah, my friend is escaping if McCain president. He's terrified of the draft. n/t
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 10:29 PM
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15. I'll be leaving too
Either the election is fixed or people are too fucking stupid.

Either option is a non-starter and I'm leaving with my partner.

This is America's last chance.

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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 10:30 PM
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17. Yup. You're not the only one. My sister is moving to China and I'm looking at
Switzerland, Italy, Finland, Australia, or Korea. In any event, it's going to be one of them, but I am leaving if they win this.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 10:34 PM
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Italy is led by serious fascists right now.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 10:36 PM
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27. You're kidding? They periodically get those there. Okay, it's out for now. Finland is top choice.
n/t
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 10:32 PM
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20. My husband and I feel the same way.....
Researching job opportunities in Canada.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 10:32 PM
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21. There are few undecided voters at this point
Edited on Wed Sep-03-08 10:33 PM by aint_no_life_nowhere
What is it, down to about 8%? I don't think Sarah Palin can say or do anything that will capture those remaining undecideds. She'll appeal to the religious psychocrazy extremists, but they've already made up their minds. She's not going to appeal to progressive or even moderately progressive women.
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 10:39 PM
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32. Sitting here numb.. can't believe speech I just heard?
Edited on Wed Sep-03-08 10:40 PM by lib2DaBone
This is one nasty vile hate-filled bitch. They need to call her out on every lie she made. You can leave the country, but Americans are so hated all over the world.. where you gonna go? Maybe we need to get the Blue states together and declare a seperate country?
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BBG Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 10:55 PM
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47. Bingo!
We have a winner... sometimes it seems to me that this country just ain't big enough for me and these jagoffs.
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KalicoKitty Donating Member (777 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 05:13 PM
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134. Amen, lib2DaBone! n/t
:yourock:
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akbacchus_BC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 06:08 PM
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140. The Republicans are so vile, I couldn't bring myself to take more
than a passing look at their Convention and I felt dirty.

Americans are not hated overseas, it is the Administration and the Republicans whom people dislike. Most of us were literally sick when Bush won a second term and if McShame wins this time, then people may dislike Americans but not everyone will understand that the elections were stolen.

We here in Canada are disgusted with the Harper government for not allowing the American soldiers who do not want to go to Iraq to stay in Canada. A lot of us are donating to the cause.

I agree with another DUer, fight back, volunteer, Americans have to ensure that the Obama's margin of win has to be so high that the elections cannot be stolen.

Regards
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marlakay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 10:33 PM
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22. been thinking about it for awhile now joined a forum
for costa rica 6 months ago. don't really want to leave my country but if they vote for obvious shit after 8 yrs of shit, its not my country anymore and i can't stand to sit by and watch it completely go under. we are semi retired now and would have to move somewhere cheaper to afford to stay home, we both have jobs now along with our pension.

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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 10:45 PM
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39. Well, you know.. it's not even that they want 4 more years of Insanity..
Edited on Wed Sep-03-08 10:47 PM by lib2DaBone
I/m really worried. The scary part is that they want to ratchet up the insanity another 10 degress with a Fundy Nutcase in the Whitehouse. George Orwell is Rolling in his grave... it is all becoming reality. And the fact that the TV talking heads are sitting there blovating like this situation is "normal", is proof that this country is out of control.
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 10:34 PM
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23. I'm on the bus. Where're we going?
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 10:35 PM
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24. I bought my patio furniture from a lady who moved to France after 2004 election
Have been thinking of joining her....those people are nuts. We can't take 4 more years of neocons.
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 10:36 PM
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26. How do you get in to these other countries? Most have toughened up immigration laws
It seems like some people think it's as easy as packing your bags.

Serious question - where and how?
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NRaleighLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 10:37 PM
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29. Great question...I am going to start researching it!
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 10:39 PM
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33. They have openings. You won't lose out in a nation. Australia likes us a lot.
I know someone who's moving there, another who already has.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 10:38 PM
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31. They haven't toughened their laws for Americans.
But for "second or third world" (I'm being a bit facetious here) they have. They'll take US immigrants because a lot of us are considered "skilled" workers that can provide to the wealth of the nation.
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AwakeAtLast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 10:38 PM
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30. My husband and I discussed somewhere in Canada.
O.K., Canadian DUers. Who wants us?!? :D


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akbacchus_BC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 06:12 PM
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141. This Canadian sure do want you all. nt
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 10:42 PM
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36. Folks if they steal the election then there will be a civil war in this
country.

No one talks about it but that's what will happen!! There are more of us than of them. We will kick their asses!!

I say give them 4 states and let them flat earth, no reproductive rights, no womens rights, whatever let them destroy themselves. We will build a wall, the kind that they like with guards in towers so they can never escape or cross the border.

Let them drown themselves in their sick religous neocon movement, they will drown themselves in a teacup!
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karenoxley Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 01:04 AM
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68. As I asked ...HOW???
How are we going to pull this off? We pretty much pushed for really strict gun control in the progressive states worth living in, like New York, Illinois, New Jersey and California. All of the firearms worth using for something like this are banned and/or really hard to get, even in other states. And if I'm not mistaken, something like 90% of the military are repuke supporters, and you know they'll be fighting to keep the "Union" (if you can call it that anymore) together. So, how would this really work?
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 09:45 AM
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109. Six times more donations to Obama campaign
from troops deployed overseas than to McCain campaign.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 08:28 PM
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143. I am a true believer in history
Where there is a public will there is a way.

I think you would be surprised by how many Liberals and Independents that own guns!

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mokawanis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 10:43 PM
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37. Same for my wife and I
We've discussed it very seriously for a couple of years and might actually do it when we retire in a few years. I don't know whether to blame the politicians or the people who elect them but I don't want to live in a rethuglican America.
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 10:43 PM
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38. There is one solution... work twice as hard at getting out the vote.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 10:46 PM
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41. Damn skippy!! I'll work my ass off until November. But I'm keeping my options open. n/t
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NRaleighLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 10:53 PM
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46. Nice way to use your first and probably only post. Waste of space.
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Scooter24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 10:50 PM
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44. Eh...
It would take a lot more than that to get me to leave the country.

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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 10:51 PM
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45. We arent rich enough...nt
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NRaleighLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 11:07 PM
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57. Troll alert! Or is that you, Dubya? If so, please just go away...
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WorseBeforeBetter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 11:48 PM
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61. Canada, Norway, Finland, Denmark, New Zealand...
Edited on Wed Sep-03-08 11:49 PM by TWriterD
Those countries aren't "free"?

Have you been paying any attention the past 8 years, or have you been too "baked"?
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 11:03 PM
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53. Boy, you pick up the vernacular & lingo fast!
Welcome back. :hi:
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tedoll78 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 11:04 PM
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54. I can't leave.
I can't leave my family here. My partner and I would be too far away from them.

What we will do - regardless of who wins, to be truthful - is prepare ourselves for hard times ahead. If the economy goes south, if crime goes up, if the infrastructure crumbles, if stupidity reigns.. we're going to do the best we can for ourselves and our families.

This is our most realistic option.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 11:04 PM
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55. Not m, I'm gonna stick around for the war. n/t
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karenoxley Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 01:05 AM
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69. How? how are you going to?
How are we going to pull this off? We pretty much pushed for really strict gun control in the progressive states worth living in, like New York, Illinois, New Jersey and California. All of the firearms worth using for something like this are banned and/or really hard to get, even in other states. And if I'm not mistaken, something like 90% of the military are repuke supporters, and you know they'll be fighting to keep the "Union" (if you can call it that anymore) together. So, how would this really work?"
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DangerousRhythm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 11:05 PM
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56. We discussed the same thing here.
The first thing we'd do is go sign up for passports, and it sounds cliche after the last two elections, but I honestly wish I were kidding. I couldn't live here anymore.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 11:41 PM
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60. Count me in for the war too
I can survive in the woods and shoot straight.

There won't be a need for such extremes because we can and we will elect Barack Obama President of The UNITED States.


Just in case, I remind all that a well armed populace is the greatest deterrent to tyranny. They think we are pussies that won't defend ourselves or our country but many of us will and I encourage people to seriously consider your devotion to your ideals, your kin, and your country.
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karenoxley Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 12:39 AM
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67. How?.. How can we?
How are we going to pull this off? We pretty much pushed for really strict gun control in the progressive states worth living in, like New York, Illinois, New Jersey and California. All of the firearms worth using for something like this are banned and/or really hard to get, even in other states. And if I'm not mistaken, something like 90% of the military are repuke supporters, and you know they'll be fighting to keep the "Union" (if you can call it that anymore) together. So, how would this really work? Anyone?
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 11:49 PM
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62. Concerned and calling the movers. Is there a category for that?
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DeschutesRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 11:52 PM
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63. I don't care what goofball gets into office for 4 years at a pop
Edited on Thu Sep-04-08 12:01 AM by DeschutesRiver
No shrill narcissistic bitch and her freak old man handler will ever be capable of running me out of my country. I am hard wired to fight such things, and history has taught me that all civilizations and nations periodically face this kind of threat.

I am no flag waving freak either. But I'll stay and fight or at least find a way to counteract rouges who try to take over and ruin my nation.

ETA: I don't have a problem with people wanting to leave as a solution for them on a personal basis. But someone has to step up to the plate and fight for what is really important, and America as it can be is worth the effort. Nobody is guaranteed an easy life with all the things they want delivered to their door. I believe individuals have to make stuff like that happen, sometimes against all the odds.
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hasssan1 Donating Member (439 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 11:55 PM
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64. We must get Organized , registered people to vote, make sure they show up on NOV 4
AND FIGHT BACK HARD AND NASTY JUST LIKE ASS-WIPE GOPS
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 08:27 AM
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73. I'll leave too...
Costa Rica looks nice...been eyeing it for a while...
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 08:30 AM
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74. You're not the first person I heard this from.
If my husband wasn't working in his dream job, we would too.

I don't want to live in a country that would chose those people over Obama and Biden.
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secondwind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 08:31 AM
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75. DONT LEAVE! IF YOU DO, THEY WILL HAVE WON!!!
STAY AND FIGHT ON!
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 09:02 AM
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87. Dude, I'm tired. I've been fighting for four years.
I mean really. I am worn out. I would like to kick back and have a life for awhile.
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 09:35 AM
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103. AMEN!
:applause:
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 08:34 AM
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76. They won't win.
McCain/Palin are not appealing to anyone other than there base. I would've been more "worried" if McCain stayed moderate and kept appealing to moderates and independents.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 08:35 AM
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77. I sincerely hope that everyone ON BOTH SIDES who threatens to win if their side loses, does leave
That would be cool.
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 08:37 AM
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78. Southeast Asia is a lovely place to live
Vietnam, Cambodia, even Laos. Your American dollars will go a long way there.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 09:40 AM
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106. Actually, scientists are flocking to Singapore.
Tons of money there.
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Pushed To The Left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 08:41 AM
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80. If they win, the movie "Idiocracy" will have come true 500 years early! n/t
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a kennedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 08:49 AM
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84. Yup, I told my husband too, if they steal this election, I'm gone.......
Edited on Thu Sep-04-08 08:50 AM by a kennedy
not sure where, I heard South America living is so cheap......or Ireland, now there's a country. Edit to insert "steal" instead of win.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 04:36 PM
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 08:49 AM
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85. we need to fight back we need to mobilize ourselves.
first on the list should be the media. Tell them this election is about us, not caribou barbie and she did not one thing about the American people what is affecting us, and how terribly off track this country has become. It is time.

here is a list:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

this election is about us, not them and the repigs just think about themselves, the citizens of this country have to as Dennis says WAKE UP!!!
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 04:40 PM
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121. we need to fight harder than ever
NOW, before the rethugs sway the gullible masses

we've got to have an unprecedented get out the vote drive
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vanderBeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 08:57 AM
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86. I've got German citizenship to rely on
in case the shit hits the fan.
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ThatsMyBarack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 09:09 AM
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88. *My passport expired four years ago....*
And I don't know where my mom hid my birth certificate. Now what? :shrug:
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vanderBeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 09:16 AM
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94. I'll smuggle you in.
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ThatsMyBarack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 09:22 AM
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99. Thanks, vanderRock!
:pals:
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 09:10 AM
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89. I'll need to punch David Brooks in the face before I leave
then I'll be literally good to go.

But it's not gonna happen. Keep your chin up, and keep working to fight the lies.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 09:11 AM
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rabbits4love Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 09:15 AM
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93. funny, thats what i told your mother
Edited on Thu Sep-04-08 09:16 AM by rabbits4love
as i was tossing the 5 bucks into her bag

oh snap!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 09:25 AM
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rabbits4love Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 09:13 AM
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92. trust me, me and my gf feel the same way
but we cant just let these fascist take the united states(even tho they are halfway there already).

if this gets worse, maybe we need to step it up a bit and take this to a different level as far as dissent goes...

if there looks like there was illegal voter purges and machine play after this election, we need to be out in the streets in mass letting them know this bullshit isnt going to fly anymore. we will not be passive and just wait till the next election so we can be cheated again. at some point enough is enough, and we are going to have to try another tactic... and it may not be pretty or what we want to do.
sometimes you hafta do things you dont want to do tho to better yourself or the people around you. self sacrifice isnt always pleasant, but going to jail may be a small price to pay for an entire countrys right to liberty and justice.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 09:18 AM
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95. I think we ought to go for secession
Let them have a chunk of the country and take another part for ours. They they can screw up their own country and beg us for help when they have crashed.

They get the South, for lack of a better place to pick - more of them are there anyway, and the DUers and other sane people now living in the South can come to our part of the country.

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budkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 09:18 AM
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96. I'll be moving to Toronto
I can't live here anymore under Republican rule... but we're winning this fucking thing so get to work!
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brindis_desala Donating Member (866 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 09:19 AM
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97. Oh for Chrissakes suck it up. Look at how many people are
turning up for Democrats. The Republicans have nothing. Brooks is an irrelevant blowhard.
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codjh9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 09:20 AM
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98. I've thought of this for the last 8 years, and yes, if they win this time, it will
prove - for what, the 3rd time? (although 2000 was stolen) - that the American public is dumb as a f-ing rock. That no matter how many bad/stupid/terrible/awful/lying/cheating/wasteful/ridiculous/deadly things that Republican administrations do, they'll elect MORE of 'em! And I'm not sure I want to live among people like that.
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 09:38 AM
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104. Zing!
Don't ya'll see what is happening here?? :eyes:

McCain supporters are visiting DU for fun and JUMPING FOR JOY when they read all this QUITTER talk about Democrats emigrating!
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 09:34 AM
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102. I hate seeing QUITTER talk here on DU with just 60 days to go ...
51 million people voted for Al Gore in 2000

59 million people voted for John Kerry in 2004

And those are just the ones they counted!

36 million people took part in this year's Democratic primaries and caucuses.

As a registered Democrat, you are a member of the largest community of progressive democrats anywhere in the world.

We all need to think about what action we can take over the next 60 days that will help to bring about the outcome we want to see.

NEVER FORGET what we are fighting for and why we need CHANGE.

QUITTING lets down the rest of the team and helps the other side.

PLEASE don't even think about it! :hi:
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 09:39 AM
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105. Honestly, many of us will have to.
We'll have no choice. The economy will break. How can you stay with no job? I'm a scientist and lack of funding is already forcing people to leave. If McCain is elected, I won't even both trying to find a position in this country. Even if I find one, I will be unlikely to get the funding to keep it. So why bother?
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 09:40 AM
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107. Don't give the freepers this kind of motivation to throw us out. FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT! We need to come
out in numbers or greater as we did in 2006. It cannot be close enough to steal.
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 09:41 AM
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108. Panama. Hubby and I have obtained permanent resident status in Panama
but will have to find a place to live.

In 2005 we bought property there, but the American developers have really screwed everybody.
Our house is half built and work stopped in January 2007 by a workers' strike that the developers
used to cover their financial problems. Instead of using deposits from buyers to build our
houses/condos, they bought more land and expanded their project concept and forgot to integrate
materials price increases, island logistics, and foreign work standards into their construction
schedule.

We're about to file a lawsuit against them.

So, be careful if you go to another country. Who'd have thought the boys next door from
the US would screw you?
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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 09:47 AM
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110. Have I thought about this possibility?
Yes.

But let's get real. This election is not Kerry/Bush version 2.

Why do you think the trolls are out in force this morning? They are screwn big time and they know it.





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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 09:47 AM
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111. Me too, but we recently bought a house. We are screwed (not on the house value, its fine) but
we'd have to rent it out or something. DH is from France, so we'd have somewhere to go at least. I just don't think I can stay and fight under these freaks.
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 11:44 AM
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113. The best thing about France ....
When Nicholas Sarkozy beat Segolene Royal in last year's Presidential election - you didn't see all the Socialist Party supporters deciding to give up the fight and leave the country ...
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 10:07 AM
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112. but wait! who will pay all the taxes if we all leave?
peeps, this system works because of people like us, who are paying the majority of the taxes.


the repukes can't keep the country working without suckers -- oh, make that all classes below the super wealthy. plato had it right...and we're not on the top rung.
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Liberalboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 12:08 PM
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114. I moved to Canada in 2006 after applying for residency after the 2004 election
Good healthcare, I can marry my partner, pot is almost legal, and friendly people :-)
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 12:10 PM
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115. In this housing market, it may take me a while....
but am almost debt-free now, and I have actually toyed with the idea of moving somewhere new just for the fun of it before. So who knows?
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 04:34 PM
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118. I would never leave. This is my home regardless of who is in the WH.
I love my country and I'll stay and fight for her.
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 05:01 PM
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127. I'm sorry. Did you say opposite sides?
There is only one side on DU, and that is supporting Obama which I do with all my heart.
I'm voting Obama because I love my country.
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 05:07 PM
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133. With response like that you may want to consider how much you like pizza.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 05:27 PM
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138. Thank you mods for the pizza
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 05:22 PM
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137. If we sit on opposite sides, why are you posting on DU?
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 04:42 PM
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123. Same here
Mr Gray has been researching canada
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 04:46 PM
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124. Thank God my husband and children are Canadians so we have a way out of here!
Edited on Thu Sep-04-08 04:47 PM by Emillereid
Americans are simply too stupid to continue to live with.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 04:55 PM
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126. "Please Make the U.S. a better place and leave!"
Edited on Thu Sep-04-08 04:57 PM by depakid
That's what's been happening at most of the administrative agencies over the past 8 years,
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 05:07 PM
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132. I have been working on improving this country since the 60s -- and it appears
to be getting worse. It is increasingly clear that we are becoming a police state - and people may actually be able to do more to 'fix' America from outside its boundaries rather than from jail. If you are not afraid of McCain/Palin you should be.
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 05:18 PM
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135. You first.
The U.S. wouldn't be a better place without all those who want to leave rather than stay for four more years of Republican wanking. The bad news for McCain supporters is that most of us have no intention of handing over the country to a bunch of selfish, self-centered, egotists.
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lse7581011 Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 05:02 PM
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128. I Just Said the Same Thing
to a dear friend who agreed with me!
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 05:03 PM
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129. I will be out of here and looking to become a nationalized citizen of another country.
It will truly be the end.

I threatened it in 2004. I mean it this time 100%.
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EmilyAnne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 05:19 PM
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136. Where to?
Can my husband and I come with you?
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Serial Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 06:18 PM
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142. Why don't we take over a state (Alaska?) and secede??
There are at least enough of us Dems who would want to leave as there are Alaskans (under a million). After all Palin's husband wanted to secede, why can't we?

If not Alaska, which state would you like to "take over"?
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PolNewf Donating Member (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 08:33 PM
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144. Jesusland


My apologizes to the great state of Iowa!! (but you still deserve a little shit for 2004 :))
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