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bidenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:09 PM
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Peggy Noonan's 958 word reaction to the "hot mic" incident
Who knew the Wall Street Journal had such a great gymnast on the payroll? We should have sent her to Beijing:

Well, I just got mugged by the nature of modern media, and I wish it weren't my fault, but it is. Readers deserve an explanation, so I'm putting a new top on today's column and, with the forbearance of the Journal, here it is.

Wednesday afternoon, in a live MSNBC television panel hosted by NBC's political analyst Chuck Todd, and along with Republican strategist Mike Murphy, we discussed Sarah Palin's speech this evening to the Republican National Convention. I said she has to tell us in her speech who she is, what she believes, and why she's here. We spoke of Republican charges that the media has been unfair to Mrs. Palin, and I defended the view that while the media should investigate every quote and vote she's made, and look deeply into her career, it has been unjust in its treatment of her family circumstances, and deserved criticism for this.

When the segment was over and MSNBC was in commercial, Todd, Murphy and I continued our conversation, talking about the Palin choice overall. We were speaking informally, with some passion -- and into live mics. An audio tape of that conversation was sent, how or by whom I don't know, onto the internet. And within three hours I was receiving it from friends far and wide, asking me why I thought the McCain campaign is "over", as it says in the transcript of the conversation. Here I must plead some confusion. In our off-air conversation, I got on the subject of the leaders of the Republican party assuming, now, that whatever the base of the Republican party thinks is what America thinks. I made the case that this is no longer true, that party leaders seem to me stuck in the assumptions of 1988 and 1994, the assumptions that reigned when they were young and coming up. "The first lesson they learned is the one they remember," I said to Todd -- and I'm pretty certain that is a direct quote. But, I argued, that's over, those assumptions are yesterday, the party can no longer assume that its base is utterly in line with the thinking of the American people. And when I said, "It's over!" -- and I said it more than once -- that is what I was referring to. I am pretty certain that is exactly what Todd and Murphy understood I was referring to. In the truncated version of the conversation, on the Web, it appears I am saying the McCain campaign is over. I did not say it, and do not think it. In fact, at an on-the-record press symposium on the campaign on Monday, when all of those on the panel were pressed to predict who would win, I said that I didn't know, but that we just might find "This IS a country for old men." That is, McCain may well win. I do not think the campaign is over, I do not think this is settled, and did not suggest, back to the Todd-Murphy conversation, that "It's over."

However, I did say two things that I haven't said in public, either in speaking or in my writing. One is a vulgar epithet that I wish I could blame on the mood of the moment but cannot. No one else, to my memory, swore. I just blurted. The other, more seriously, is a real criticism that I had not previously made, but only because I hadn't thought of it. And it is connected to a thought I had this morning, Wednesday morning, and wrote to a friend. Here it is. Early this morning I saw Texas Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison, and as we chatted about the McCain campaign (she thoughtfully and supportively) I looked into her eyes and thought, Why not her? Had she been vetted for the vice presidency, and how did it come about that it was the less experienced Mrs. Palin who was chosen? I didn't ask these questions or mention them, I just thought them. Later in the morning, still pondering this, I thought of something that had happened exactly 20 years before. It was just after the 1988 Republican convention ended. I was on the plane, as a speechwriter, that took Republican presidential nominee George H.W. Bush, and the new vice presidential nominee, Dan Quayle, from New Orleans, the site of the convention, to Indiana. Sitting next to Mr. Quayle was the other senator from that state, Richard Lugar. As we chatted, I thought, "Why him and not him?" Why Mr. Quayle as the choice, and not the more experienced Mr. Lugar? I came to think, in following years, that some of the reason came down to what is now called The Narrative. The story the campaign wishes to tell about itself, and communicate to others. I don't like the idea of The Narrative. I think it is ... a barnyard epithet. And, oddly enough, it is something that Republicans are not very good at, because it's not where they live, it's not what they're about, it's too fancy. To the extent the McCain campaign was thinking in these terms, I don't like that either. I do like Mrs. Palin, because I like the things she espouses. And because, frankly, I met her once and liked her. I suspect, as I say further in here, that her candidacy will be either dramatically successful or a dramatically not; it won't be something in between.

But, bottom line, I am certainly sorry I blurted my barnyard ephithet, I am certainly sorry that someone abused my meaning in the use of the words, "It's over", and I'm sorry I didn't have the Kay Baily Hutchison thought before this morning, because I could have written of it.

Source: http://online.wsj.com/public/article/declarations.html
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featherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:12 PM
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1. Wingers in full damage control mode... hahahaha
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:12 PM
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2. Hey, Pegster, I like your barnyard side
What else don't we know about?
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:12 PM
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3. Lying liar.
Peggy is such a tool.
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NotThisTime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:17 PM
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12. Yup, for sure she is
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:13 PM
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4. Ouch, I need some Tiger Balm after just reading that.
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madaboutharry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:13 PM
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5. Oh Peggy, Peggy, Peggy.....
Don't you know what an ass you sound like?
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Rectangle Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:13 PM
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6. Boo Hoo! YOU said it, you can't spin or retract it now
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:14 PM
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7. Noonster was busted. Sorry, Peggy. This doesn't change that fact.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:14 PM
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8. Mistakes were made ...

Eh, Peggy?

No one is the master of the save-ass that she is.

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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:16 PM
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9. Well, that's the biggest ton of BS I have heard in a long time. No wonder is so many words long!
Peggy, get off the sauce, will ya? You will be so much better when you remember what you actually said the next day, won't you? This post-reconstruction of what you "really, really" said is so pathetic it is more than sad. Please, for your family, go get help and get into AA,right now, honey.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:16 PM
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10. Completely glossed over her evaluation of Palin
"She isn't qualified!"
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:17 PM
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11. Spin away, Peggy.
But your dark overlords will not be happy with this.
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Geek_Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:17 PM
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13. what a nonsensical rant
nt
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:18 PM
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14. Peggy Noonan, let me be one of hundreds of thousand to vocally and silently say you are full of shit
We heard you, we know what you meant, you can't "take back" or sugar-coat what you said. And to be honest, I like you much more when you are being honest. But now you are back to your lies, just as I predicted.

I hope when you die, if there is a hell, they show you what you deserve for like a day or two, then let you pass on into a purgatory of eternal non-existence.

You are a crummy human being and don't deserve to breathe the same air as those who treat their privilege in the media, working on OUR PUBLIC AIRWAVES, as a sacred trust to tell the truth.
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Honu one Donating Member (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:18 PM
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15. OMG, that is freakin hilarious!
It's totally out of context.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:19 PM
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16. bwaaahahaha. nt.
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DogPoundPup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:20 PM
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17. !
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:20 PM
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18. What're the odds--first time in her life Peggy utters a cuss word and someone left the mic on!
Sound and fury signifying nothing
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:21 PM
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19. 958 words to explain four words.
"Political Bullsh*t"

"It's over."

I hate to break it to Peggy, but no explanation is needed.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:21 PM
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20. Grow a spine, lady.
This grovelling apology is sad: she was right the first time.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:21 PM
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21. 958 words and what i got was that she was horrified for swearing and being caught.
i believe she maant what she said today, it is over.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:22 PM
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22. Bwahahahahahaha
you got caught Peggy telling the truth and it's out there for all to hear! :nopity:
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:22 PM
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23. Be careful, Peggy. Using pretzel logic like that will make Bush gag and he'll get another black eye!
Too late!
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Rebellious Republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:23 PM
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24. WTF did she say, its babble and double talk....
Wonder if she will be forced to join the ranks of unemployed Americans?

:rofl:
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:23 PM
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25. Wow. What a verbose "non-denial denial"
Never has so little been said about about so much.

I'm loving this SOOO much, it's almost illegal.

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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:23 PM
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26. "A Gaffe Is When A Poltician Or Pol Tells The Truth"
~
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:23 PM
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27. "A Gaffe Is When A Poltician Or Pol Tells The Truth"
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:24 PM
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28. That entire piece was "barnyard epitaph" !!
methinks she doth protest too much! She thinks that if she uses LOTS of words that we'll forget the shit she said about the republican party.
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Prefer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:24 PM
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29. Noonan pooped!
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stolivodka Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:25 PM
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30. har
"Hypocrisy is totally awesome when we do it! I didn't say that McCain was finished, just his campaign to become President! Blab, blah, blah maybe if I make this really long, our Republican base will get bored and stop reading. PS: I only use naughty language when I feel like it."

Real intellectual heavyweight, there!
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bidenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:31 PM
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32. lol
I think you have it about right.
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:25 PM
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31. LOL You can't make this shit up.
:rofl:
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:35 PM
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33. Hypocrite.
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Tuesday_Morning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 08:04 PM
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34. This part kills me:
I don't like the idea of The Narrative. I think it is ... a barnyard epithet. And, oddly enough, it is something that Republicans are not very good at, because it's not where they live, it's not what they're about, it's too fancy.

Cause all she does is "narrative" ... something she, too, is not very good at.

:rofl:
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 08:07 PM
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35. Oh good lord peggy, quit embarrassing yourself.
:rofl:
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 08:09 PM
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36. Peggy got it right the first time: The GOP has chosen to peddle "Bullshit" instead of substance.....
Edited on Wed Sep-03-08 08:14 PM by charles t

And that's because they can't win on the issues, and they'd rather try to get their way by peddling "Bullshit" instead of working within an honest democratic process, and inevitable compromise.

Ms Noonan's current 958 words just confirm that she recognizes "Bullshit" when she sees it, but is embarrassed when she expresses her observation with such abbreviated eloquence, given that she makes her living selling it.

























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Pisces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 08:10 PM
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37. Too late, we know your unguarded thoughts. The same as the rest of the US.
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 08:14 PM
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38. Old ladies need not apply.
That's why Hutchison was passed over for Palin. There's no other possible explanation.
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BurgherHoldtheLies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 08:22 PM
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39. Noonan "I met her once and liked her"...Bwahahaha! Just like McCain's vetting process!
:spray:
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Willo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 08:24 PM
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40. A living example and absolute proof that the media is not your friend
There is no reason to be looking for them to validate our messages. We have many ways to get the truth directly to the people.

Whatever she sold her soul for is valued a lot higher than any of us here or fighting abroad. That is true for the rest of them.

Post the truth. Blog the truth. Distribute the truth and speak the truth.

However you feel to do it, do it. Just, STOP ASKING AND EXPECTING THESE PEOPLE TO HELP YOU.

You saw her Op-Ed piece this morning, heard her words this afternoon and see her backtracking this evening.

The truth is now smack dead in our faces.

Hope and change does not come by begging the enemy to be fair.



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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 08:33 PM
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41. What a load.
Lame, lame, lame

Particularly by Republican professional liar standards
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 09:20 PM
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42. Stick a fork in her. She's done.
Nice try though. I do give her an A++ on creative bullshitting in a short period of time.
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