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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:02 PM
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Roves Plan, control the media cycle with pretty shiny things, instead of the war, the economy &
Edited on Mon Sep-01-08 11:37 PM by FogerRox
We are being played. The longer the Sara Palin thing plays out, the longer we dont talk about the real issues of our time. If you want to play Roves game and lose, keep it up. After the Palin thing dies down, rove will inject another non issue into the media cycle. Dont write letters to the Editor about Sara Palin, write letters about a rael issue.


The issues of our time are Universal Healthcare, the War in Iraq, the economy, the mortgage crisis, jobs, the oil crisis and energy.


Sara Palin is a pretty shiny thing. Rove needs to inject these non issues into the media cycle to control the national discussion, so Barack cant talk about the issues of our time. This is exactly what the Swiftboaters did to Kerry in 2004. Everyone talked about the Swiftboat issue, and not the war in Iraq. Just what the hell did Vietnam have to do with the war in Iraq in 2004 anyway, Mother Fucker Rove is still on his "A" game. ANd dont you forget it.


Keep your eye on the target, November 4th. Do not let them muddy the waters with swiftboats stories, Pay no attention to the shiney pretty things like the Palin stories, or these acts of violence in St. Paul. Just ask your selves, why, when Neo Cons are involved, they resort to false flag operations. Rumors of terrorist attacks at the Boston Democratic Convention in 2004. The WTO violence of a few years ago.

Dont let your selves or your friends get played, keep your damn eyes on the target.


1) The White House must be won.

2) We need 60+ Senate seats.

3) We need another 30-50 seats in the House.



Just say no to pretty shiny things, and yes to voter registration, knocking on doors and making phone calls for Barack Obama, our democratic Congressional and Senate Candidates, and all the down tickets races at the state, county and municipal levels.

You wont get another chance in your lifetime. Keep your eyes on the target.

EDIT:

Apparently some folks didnt make the connection, Barack warned us on thursday night


I know there are those who dismiss such beliefs as happy talk. They claim that our insistence on something larger, something firmer and more honest in our public life is just a Trojan Horse for higher taxes and the abandonment of traditional values. And that's to be expected. Because if you don't have any fresh ideas, then you use stale tactics to scare the voters. If you don't have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from.

You make a big election about small things.

And you know what - it's worked before. Because it feeds into the cynicism we all have about government. When Washington doesn't work, all its promises seem empty. If your hopes have been dashed again and again, then it's best to stop hoping, and settle for what you already know.

Link to Baracks acceptance speech @ the DNC.


From the cooments I see some dont make the connection, we need to put a stop to this and talk about the big issues as Barack talked about thursday night. Rove hopes to make it close, We can keep our eyes on the target and win big, Goldwater won 8 states, LBJ won 42 states in 1964.



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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:03 PM
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1. Palin is neither pretty nor shiny..
.. but rather a very tarnished coin.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:04 PM
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2. Yep. Karl Rove is secretly attempting to implode the Republican party,
so, er...well...hold on...
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:47 PM
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26. Right. Not Rove, McCain. That idea gets pretty scary, doesn't it? nt
Edited on Mon Sep-01-08 11:55 PM by petgoat
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:04 PM
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3. Ehh...I got antsy earlier today too.
Edited on Mon Sep-01-08 11:06 PM by Harvey Korman
But we can spare a couple days of news cycle to show McCain for the rash, erratic fool he is by exposing his ridiculous VP choice. Meanwhile, Obama looks presidential dealing with hurricane relief and the RNC Convention is basically a nonevent.

Then Obama and Biden return to the spotlight with a big campaign event.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:05 PM
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4. You give them too much credit. This is a nightmare for them
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:18 PM
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13. And what is it that Obama said ?
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:41 PM
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23. How do you feel about Universal healthcare?
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:52 PM
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30. Huh? What do you mean
Edited on Mon Sep-01-08 11:58 PM by BrentTaylor
I'm saying this thing with Palin is a nightmare for Rove and crew
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 12:08 AM
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37. We, the nationa have not talked about the real issues since the Palin thing broke
Obama blasted MCCain thursday night, Obama said he would give 95% of working families a tax break, he talked about gay marriage, guns.

DKOs & DU have become the 24 hr Palin show.



America, our work will not be easy. The challenges we face require tough choices, and Democrats as well as Republicans will need to cast off the worn-out ideas and politics of the past. For part of what has been lost these past eight years can't just be measured by lost wages or bigger trade deficits. What has also been lost is our sense of common purpose - our sense of higher purpose. And that's what we have to restore.

We may not agree on abortion, but surely we can agree on reducing the number of unwanted pregnancies in this country. The reality of gun ownership may be different for hunters in rural Ohio than for those plagued by gang-violence in Cleveland, but don't tell me we can't uphold the Second Amendment while keeping AK-47s out of the hands of criminals. I know there are differences on same-sex marriage, but surely we can agree that our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters deserve to visit the person they love in the hospital and to live lives free of discrimination. Passions fly on immigration, but I don't know anyone who benefits when a mother is separated from her infant child or an employer undercuts American wages by hiring illegal workers. This too is part of America's promise - the promise of a democracy where we can find the strength and grace to bridge divides and unite in common effort.


Link to Baracks acceptance speech @ the DNC.


WE could have had 3 days of the Press talking about these issues.....

YEAh Palin is a diaster, but the way to take davantage of it is to carry Obamas message far and wide.... so folks will see the difference. We need a big win, with big coat tails. I've worked in campaigns since 1972, I know a thing or 2 about winning, and losing.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:07 PM
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5. WRONG! Winning elections is never about issues. They're about manipulating the public
so they will support you. Issues are just the subtext.

The discussion has turned from "This election is a referendum on Obama" to "this election is a referendum on McCain's imcompetence"
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 12:06 AM
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36. EXACTLY! perfectly put
they've ruled by dint of Publicity Stunt

one after another, just keeping the public distracted enough by the unimportant issues to keep them from realizing just how HORRIBLY they've been screwed

it really is that simple

wedge issues, fear, and lies....that's what they do best, and it worked like a charm til 2006. dems lost their nerve in the senate, and were AFRAID to call the pugs on their 80 plus filibusters

when they learn to fight back, then go on the offensive, they might win
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 12:20 AM
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41. Oh you are so right.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 01:11 AM
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51. Exactly, Thursday night Obama said he'll give 95% of working families a tax break
That should have been good for 3 days of earned media, but the Palin thing out a cobwash on that...

So there was 67 days left, now its down to 63
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 10:01 AM
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66. I agree, in the reality it should be about the issues but the last eight years are proof
its about trying to manipulate the public, the repubs are good for that one and that one alone
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:07 PM
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6. That's crazy talk
I think people are so conditioned to everything being "Karl Rove's master plan" that literally EVERYTHING can get spun that way. Good grief.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:13 PM
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10. If Obama doesnt get his message out, it can be close, we need to shut this down
Then McCain might win 8 or 9 states.

Been working in campaigns since 1972.
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 12:02 AM
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35. The average voter doesn't know what a blog is
much less what DU is and much much less what is posted here. Bob Shrum has been working on campaigns since 72 too.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 01:17 AM
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53. Except the media is playing the Liberal internet rumors line
Relish the MCCain fuck up .... and take advantage of it, highlight the differences thru policy, thru the issues
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:19 PM
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15. Look at my history then come back
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the Sundance Kid Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:08 PM
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7. McCain just failed in his first Executive Decision
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:14 PM
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11. Absolutely. But thats not the point.
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ClusterFreak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:08 PM
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8. Pretty shitty plan, Karl.
Methinks the 'Architect' needs to work up some new blueprints.


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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:22 PM
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17. Something happened here, with the House of PA(l)IN
Edited on Mon Sep-01-08 11:23 PM by autorank
It's amazing that they'd pick this woman. They use their failures deftly but this is more like
"The National Enquirer Meets Cops." (premiering on Fox this fall)

Can you imagine the VP debates. Maybe they need to handicap it like horse racing or adjust the
judging by "degree of difficulty" like diving. "Oh, Gov. Palin, you actually showed up. That's
10 bonus points."

It will be called after 10 minutes on a TKO.



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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:42 PM
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24. So how do you feel about Obamas tax plan ?
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:48 PM
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27. Whats next after Palin ?
How do you feel about Obama offering tax breaks to 95% of working families?

But instead the Palin thing breaks and NOBODY is talking about Obamas speech and his policy offerings..

Methinks the 'Architect' needs to work up some new blueprint

Sems like the current one worked fine, right after Barack blasted the fuck outta McCain. Bam, nothing about Obamas speech after the Palin thing broke.


I guess you dont see it. YOu see the pretty shiny thing, which will be changed for another shiny thing in a few days or a week.


When do we talk about Jobs?

I know there are those who dismiss such beliefs as happy talk. They claim that our insistence on something larger, something firmer and more honest in our public life is just a Trojan Horse for higher taxes and the abandonment of traditional values. And that's to be expected. Because if you don't have any fresh ideas, then you use stale tactics to scare the voters. If you don't have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from.

You make a big election about small things.

And you know what - it's worked before. Because it feeds into the cynicism we all have about government. When Washington doesn't work, all its promises seem empty. If your hopes have been dashed again and again, then it's best to stop hoping, and settle for what you already know.

Link to Baracks acceptance speech @ the DNC.


Apparently you didnt listen to Barack, or the shiny things made you forget.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:09 PM
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9. What's happened today is that the media got all cranked up for a repeat of Katrina when McBush
put the convention on the back burner... it was a perfect storm in which Rove's attempt to get a lot of positive stuff going about Palin turned into a bored reporter pack investigating every little sliver of evidence about this poor woman and literally destroying her candidacy.

If Rove was attempting to be in control today, he rolled this sucker and sent it off the bridge.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:16 PM
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12. We need to talk about the war, the economy, Obamas message.
Surely you see the difference.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:27 PM
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19. Actually Obama warned us on thursday night
I know there are those who dismiss such beliefs as happy talk. They claim that our insistence on something larger, something firmer and more honest in our public life is just a Trojan Horse for higher taxes and the abandonment of traditional values. And that's to be expected. Because if you don't have any fresh ideas, then you use stale tactics to scare the voters. If you don't have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from.

You make a big election about small things.

And you know what - it's worked before. Because it feeds into the cynicism we all have about government. When Washington doesn't work, all its promises seem empty. If your hopes have been dashed again and again, then it's best to stop hoping, and settle for what you already know.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/08/the_full_text_of_obamas_speech.php
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:18 PM
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14. Welcome to The Matrix (A big k*r)
Isn't it always this way and isn't that the ultmate electoin fraud.

No issues, none of the time 7 x 24.

The press is so totally pathetic but then, again, they work for the corporations that pay for Rove.

Sweet! It's a circular firing squad and we're in the middle.,

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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:23 PM
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18. What did Obama say about this?
If you cant run on your own record, you have to make this big election about small issues...
or something to that effect.


Why do you think Obama said that ?


LOL

Was-up, Auto, love ya like a brother.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:48 PM
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28. That's a grat quote. Haul it out, buzz words to buzz kill the bogus issues.
Got a good one going her Admiral.

Ahoy
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:55 PM
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32. Keep this about Jobs the War & Energy, McCain wins like 8 states
Obama wins 42 states, and Obamas coat tails will put 12 more Democratic Senators in DC, as well as 3- 50 more Dems in the house.

We go Roves way and its close, a 3-4 pt race........
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 12:33 AM
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46. I know how he could do it.
Edited on Tue Sep-02-08 12:34 AM by autorank
Get an interview with one of the jerks from that awful debate in Philadelphia (I think).

Practice "being Bentsen" for a few hours, maybe a little coaching form V. Bugliosi.

Then set the worst of those hacks up with an exclusive interview. Drop the big one after a couple of
stupid questions. "I'm just amazed that with only 60 days left, you media types refuse to discuss the
issues." Then the guy gets all flustered and Obama takes over the interview. Blowing off the
quetions on b.s. and just talking about jobs, fair trade, etc. Like the guy isn't there.

People would love it. He could repeat that at every interview in any media.
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im1013 Donating Member (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:20 PM
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16. You are absolutely right!
Pleeeeaaaase, everybody, lets keep ALL of our eyes on the ball!!!


:think:
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:51 PM
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29. Right on in1013.......Bararck warned us thursday night.
I know there are those who dismiss such beliefs as happy talk. They claim that our insistence on something larger, something firmer and more honest in our public life is just a Trojan Horse for higher taxes and the abandonment of traditional values. And that's to be expected. Because if you don't have any fresh ideas, then you use stale tactics to scare the voters. If you don't have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from.

You make a big election about small things.

And you know what - it's worked before. Because it feeds into the cynicism we all have about government. When Washington doesn't work, all its promises seem empty. If your hopes have been dashed again and again, then it's best to stop hoping, and settle for what you already know.

Link to Baracks acceptance speech @ the DNC.


Since friday we havent talked about jobs, the war or healthcare...... thats the way Barack will win big is on those issues.
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Tutonic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:30 PM
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20. Its about to backfire bigtime on him. The Enquirer is talking to a
lot of folks in Alaska concerning the "First Dude." A BIG BIG BIG scandal is brewing there.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:40 PM
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22. WTF, we need to talk about Obamas mesage, jobs, the war, healthcare
See you took your eyes off the target, you are talking about the First Dude.....

Sp how do you feel about Baracks progressive tax plan that gives tax breaks to 95% of Working families ?
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 02:15 AM
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60. Does it have to do with him basically pulling Sarah's strings?
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oldskool Donating Member (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:38 PM
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21. Obama and McCains foreign policy is
the same as PNAC,NWO,NCP. He just uses the word Globalization
and New century. Project of the New American century.It's
still the neo-con agenda. Like Kucinich said WAKE UP AMERICA.
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:44 PM
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25. I agree but the media does not and the majority of americans get their news via live media
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:53 PM
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31. Palin is not a Rovian conspiracy.
She's an incompetent who was selected by another incompetent -- McCain (not Rove).

Every day this drags out, the GOP's incompetence becomes more and more apparent. It's their turn to be "swiftboated" by small things caused by their own stupid decisions.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:59 PM
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33. What did Obama say thursday night ?
I know there are those who dismiss such beliefs as happy talk. They claim that our insistence on something larger, something firmer and more honest in our public life is just a Trojan Horse for higher taxes and the abandonment of traditional values. And that's to be expected. Because if you don't have any fresh ideas, then you use stale tactics to scare the voters. If you don't have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from.

You make a big election about small things.

And you know what - it's worked before. Because it feeds into the cynicism we all have about government. When Washington doesn't work, all its promises seem empty. If your hopes have been dashed again and again, then it's best to stop hoping, and settle for what you already know.

Link to Baracks acceptance speech @ the DNC.


Every day this drags out, we're not talking about the issues as the spin going into overdrive, WE need to stpo it, let the media cover it, but we need to post about something else. We need to blog about something else, we need to register voters, knock on doors and make phone call.
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 12:24 AM
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44. Yes, we need to keep campaigning...
But my point is that it's not a big plot by Rove to distract us... it's simply one of the biggest blunders in political history. They made a major tactical error, and I for one am relishing it.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 12:28 AM
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45. Ok, I see where you're coming from. Thats a great sig, I'm going to switch to that sig
Relish the tactical error, and take advantage of it, yes.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 01:23 AM
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55. The selection of a VP IS one of the Big Issues.
And McCain picked an unvetted LIAR, for who knows what reasons. Probably because he was mad, like the NYT article suggests.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 09:27 AM
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64. Air MCCain is going to crash land, lets relish it , but take advantage
Now the MSM is telling the heartland about those "liberal internet rumors".

I think we'll win bigger when we talk about the issues, as Obama keeps saying....

I know there are those who dismiss such beliefs as happy talk. They claim that our insistence on something larger, something firmer and more honest in our public life is just a Trojan Horse for higher taxes and the abandonment of traditional values. And that's to be expected. Because if you don't have any fresh ideas, then you use stale tactics to scare the voters. If you don't have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from.

You make a big election about small things.

And you know what - it's worked before. Because it feeds into the cynicism we all have about government. When Washington doesn't work, all its promises seem empty. If your hopes have been dashed again and again, then it's best to stop hoping, and settle for what you already know.

Link to Baracks acceptance speech @ the DNC.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 12:11 AM
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39. Right, Palin is a disaster, but lets show off the difference between that disaster and Obama
I know there are those who dismiss such beliefs as happy talk. They claim that our insistence on something larger, something firmer and more honest in our public life is just a Trojan Horse for higher taxes and the abandonment of traditional values. And that's to be expected. Because if you don't have any fresh ideas, then you use stale tactics to scare the voters. If you don't have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from.

You make a big election about small things.

And you know what - it's worked before. Because it feeds into the cynicism we all have about government. When Washington doesn't work, all its promises seem empty. If your hopes have been dashed again and again, then it's best to stop hoping, and settle for what you already know.

Link to Baracks acceptance speech @ the DNC.



America, our work will not be easy. The challenges we face require tough choices, and Democrats as well as Republicans will need to cast off the worn-out ideas and politics of the past. For part of what has been lost these past eight years can't just be measured by lost wages or bigger trade deficits. What has also been lost is our sense of common purpose - our sense of higher purpose. And that's what we have to restore.

We may not agree on abortion, but surely we can agree on reducing the number of unwanted pregnancies in this country. The reality of gun ownership may be different for hunters in rural Ohio than for those plagued by gang-violence in Cleveland, but don't tell me we can't uphold the Second Amendment while keeping AK-47s out of the hands of criminals. I know there are differences on same-sex marriage, but surely we can agree that our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters deserve to visit the person they love in the hospital and to live lives free of discrimination. Passions fly on immigration, but I don't know anyone who benefits when a mother is separated from her infant child or an employer undercuts American wages by hiring illegal workers. This too is part of America's promise - the promise of a democracy where we can find the strength and grace to bridge divides and unite in common effort.


Link to Baracks acceptance speech @ the DNC.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 12:02 AM
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34. K&R
You have hit the nail on the head. The Rovians know there is no bad publicity. No one is talking about Obama or Biden or even McCrankhead.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 12:22 AM
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42. Thank you Treestar...Thursday night Obama said he would cut taxes for 95% of working families
Edited on Tue Sep-02-08 12:25 AM by FogerRox
I thought that was huge...... and worthy of media attention......

But it vaporized in less than 24 hrs.

And you can see from the comments some folks dont get it. We need to take advantage of MCCAin screw ups by putting forth Obamas message from his DNC speech. THat should have been worth 3 more pts in the polls, but instead MCCain keeps its a bit closer.
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 12:09 AM
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38. There is no way for Rove to spin this, the damage is out there.
No one knew Sarah Palin, now they have some direction and it appears the gift of Sarah Palin was the work of John McCain not Karl Rove. They either lied about her or did not fully realize her problems. Ms. Palin is being vetted as I sit here at midnight on my computer. The news cycle is coming and it is not about her 17 year old daughter. Rove has spun himself silly courtesy of John McCain. By the way I am working the County Democratic HQ on Thursday.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 12:17 AM
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40. Pay attention, this isnt about that
Barck gave good speech thursday, since then its all Palin, all the time, the way to separate Oabama from McCinsane is to show off the difference..

Now the Media has picked up the internet rumors coming from the liberals.....

Obama wins big when MCCain fucks up and the nation talks about these issues of our times, putting Obamas message forward while McSaaaaame melts down.

Big, like MCCain wins 8 states like Goldwater in 1964.

Remember what Obama said thursday ?


I know there are those who dismiss such beliefs as happy talk. They claim that our insistence on something larger, something firmer and more honest in our public life is just a Trojan Horse for higher taxes and the abandonment of traditional values. And that's to be expected. Because if you don't have any fresh ideas, then you use stale tactics to scare the voters. If you don't have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from.

You make a big election about small things.

And you know what - it's worked before. Because it feeds into the cynicism we all have about government. When Washington doesn't work, all its promises seem empty. If your hopes have been dashed again and again, then it's best to stop hoping, and settle for what you already know.

Link to Baracks acceptance speech @ the DNC.
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 01:06 AM
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50. Karl Rove is no genius. I know the Party line and will not mention Palin on Thursday.
You are damn right I am cynical. I talked to the wife of a Swiftboater and knew what was coming 2 days before they announced themselves. Senator Kerry took the high road, hammered issues, won the debates and lost. Too often I have seem similar results the last 40 years. I grew up in Politics been there and done that. My boyhood heroes were Clarence Cannon and Harry Truman. From my experience Harry Truman would have loved this election cycle and Mr. Cannon would have been yelling at the top of his voice.

Obama has obviously frightened McCain who is now off message and now the GOP surrogates are all spinning and sound ridiculous. The center piece of the GOP attack on Obama experience issue is in the trash forever. Barak Obama is taking the high road, addressing issues and when the time is right he will hit back (or at least I hope so). Obama gave a brilliant speech but politics is a part of human nature it gets dirty, maybe in time we will evolve and become more rational.

DU is a blog, people come here anonymously to vent, that is its value, let them vent. Keep faith in Barak Obama he is in the fight of his life. You do what you must all life especially politics is a learning experience.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 12:23 AM
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43. Its not about Palin, its Obamas message not getting out
I know there are those who dismiss such beliefs as happy talk. They claim that our insistence on something larger, something firmer and more honest in our public life is just a Trojan Horse for higher taxes and the abandonment of traditional values. And that's to be expected. Because if you don't have any fresh ideas, then you use stale tactics to scare the voters. If you don't have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from.

You make a big election about small things.

And you know what - it's worked before. Because it feeds into the cynicism we all have about government. When Washington doesn't work, all its promises seem empty. If your hopes have been dashed again and again, then it's best to stop hoping, and settle for what you already know.

Link to Baracks acceptance speech @ the DNC.



America, our work will not be easy. The challenges we face require tough choices, and Democrats as well as Republicans will need to cast off the worn-out ideas and politics of the past. For part of what has been lost these past eight years can't just be measured by lost wages or bigger trade deficits. What has also been lost is our sense of common purpose - our sense of higher purpose. And that's what we have to restore.

We may not agree on abortion, but surely we can agree on reducing the number of unwanted pregnancies in this country. The reality of gun ownership may be different for hunters in rural Ohio than for those plagued by gang-violence in Cleveland, but don't tell me we can't uphold the Second Amendment while keeping AK-47s out of the hands of criminals. I know there are differences on same-sex marriage, but surely we can agree that our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters deserve to visit the person they love in the hospital and to live lives free of discrimination. Passions fly on immigration, but I don't know anyone who benefits when a mother is separated from her infant child or an employer undercuts American wages by hiring illegal workers. This too is part of America's promise - the promise of a democracy where we can find the strength and grace to bridge divides and unite in common effort.


Link to Baracks acceptance speech @ the DNC.
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SleeplessinSoCal Donating Member (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 12:35 AM
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47. It's Labor Day! We'll get to work tomorrow.
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 12:38 AM
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48. Have you ever heard the saying...
"Don't look a gift horse in the mouth"? It means "if somebody gives you a free horse, don't bitch that you have to feed it."

We've been given a free horse. Several actually. Don't bitch that it's distracting from Obama's message, because you know what? His message wasn't getting out to the fucking morons that make up a large chunk of the voting public. Was that message getting out there to people who still think Obama's a Muslim? Fuck no. But maybe the message that McCain's VP pick (and subsequently McCain) is a complete fuck-up will.

And as far as Rove distracting us from Obama by fucking up McCain? Are you high?
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 01:15 AM
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52. Lets relish the MCCAin fuck up, AND take advantage of it,
Highlighting the difference....
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 12:48 AM
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49. Don't forget Gustav - they're also using that as a distraction and a photo-op
Another thing about cynicism - The GOP WANTS Americans to be cynical about their gov't and to not expect much from their gov't. Why? Because of what Barack said - that way, they'll STOP hoping and STOP expecting anything from gov't and just "settle".

DO NOT SETTLE! And I agree with the OP AND with Obama - KEEP THE FOCUS ON THE ISSUES. It's great that we exposed Ms. "Family Values" for what she ISN'T - but now get back to the ISSUES and to the task of contrasting HER and McSame's policies and beliefs with Obama's - and TO TELLING OTHERS OUTSIDE OF DU what those differences are and why they matter.

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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 01:21 AM
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54. RIIIGHT. The ALL POWERFUL ROVE made Angry McCrazypants make this impetuous decision.
:rofl:

All part of the Master Plan. :spray:

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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 02:02 AM
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56. This is our year.
Why don't you take advantage of the situation...just relax and enjoy watching the Pug Party go down in flames.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 02:10 AM
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57. That's right. Most people are more worried about their car payment
Edited on Tue Sep-02-08 02:11 AM by sfexpat2000
than about Sarah Palin's children.

In pushing this personal crap, we're inviting the American Taliban to tighten their grip on our personal lives -- that is, if we're not becoming them.





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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 02:12 AM
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58. Like the media were SERIOUS-MINDED PRIOR to Palin?
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 02:12 AM
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59. You give Rove too much credit.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 09:24 AM
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63. Obama predicted this just last thursday
I know there are those who dismiss such beliefs as happy talk. They claim that our insistence on something larger, something firmer and more honest in our public life is just a Trojan Horse for higher taxes and the abandonment of traditional values. And that's to be expected. Because if you don't have any fresh ideas, then you use stale tactics to scare the voters. If you don't have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from.

You make a big election about small things.

And you know what - it's worked before. Because it feeds into the cynicism we all have about government. When Washington doesn't work, all its promises seem empty. If your hopes have been dashed again and again, then it's best to stop hoping, and settle for what you already know.

Link to Baracks acceptance speech @ the DNC.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 02:18 AM
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61. Wrong! This disastrous pick highlights perfectly that McCain is rash and a lousy leader.
He's supposed to be experienced, and this is the type of decision he makes? ... Are you kidding me? This is political GOLD.11
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 09:22 AM
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62. I dont disagree, but Obama said he give a tax break to 95% of working families
on thursday night, and it got buried. Now the Media is dropping the "Liberal internet rumors" line.

Yeah MCCain is into the beginning stages of Alzheimers, and can be gold for us, but we also need to use this to our advantage. ANd remember what Obama said, he basically predicted this...

I know there are those who dismiss such beliefs as happy talk. They claim that our insistence on something larger, something firmer and more honest in our public life is just a Trojan Horse for higher taxes and the abandonment of traditional values. And that's to be expected. Because if you don't have any fresh ideas, then you use stale tactics to scare the voters. If you don't have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from.

You make a big election about small things.

And you know what - it's worked before. Because it feeds into the cynicism we all have about government. When Washington doesn't work, all its promises seem empty. If your hopes have been dashed again and again, then it's best to stop hoping, and settle for what you already know.

Link to Baracks acceptance speech @ the DNC.


McCain will fly his airplane into the ground, but we need to also stay on target to take best advantage, that can get us an historical landslide, on the order of 1964.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 03:58 PM
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68. Right but we need to display the difference, by Obama getting his message out
While MCCain/Palin crashes and burns. It will be another plane crash with MCCAin at the controls......
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Hansel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 09:59 AM
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65. The so called "genius" of Karl Rove has been overblown.
Without 911 and a totally compliant media in its aftermath, George Bush would have been done in his 1st term. His ratings were nose diving before 911 and 911 is all that saved him.

Fear is a very powerful tool until people tire of being afraid. The emperor's cloths are off and now his tactics are looking as stupid as they are. Karl Rove is and always has been pathetic. If this is his strategy, he's even dumber than I thought he was. Hell, even Morning Joe was blasting McCain's judgment over picking Palin and mocking his campaign for saying she has more experience than Obama. Joe spent several minutes explaining how just the way Obama has run his campaign shows what a great executive he is.

Obama got his message out at the convention and is now running a ground game and that's where he'll win. He only needs to be in the media to appear presidential and remind everyone of who he showed himself to be at the convention. The wall-to-wall coverage of the McCain/Palin soap opera works in Obama's favor. Especially when he comes out and makes statements that make him look like the adult.


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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 03:54 PM
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67. True that, but we need to get Obamas message to the heartland
And this week is a week where that doesnt happen.
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