ABC Confirms Palin was a member of AIP (Alaskan Independence Party)

[Cush]

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/members-of-frin.html

The campaign of Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., likes to herald the independence of its new running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.

Officials of the Alaskan Independence Party say that Palin was once so independent, she was once a member of their party, which, since the 1970s, has been pushing for a legal vote for Alaskans to decide whether or not residents of the 49th state can secede from the United States.

And while McCain's motto -- as seen in a new TV ad -- is "Country First," the AIP's motto is the exact opposite -- "Alaska First -- Alaska Always."


She doesn't know what Palin's position was.

"It never came up in conversation," Clark recalls. "But when she joined the party, our platform was right under her nose"

[JBoy]

1. And the hits just keep on coming!

[madmax]

3. Isn't it great!

:rofl:

[simmonsj811]

28. Kicking to the top!

:kick: :kick: :kick:

[adamuu]

185. This simply HAS to be a disqualification. She is a model of the GOP.

It's almost like Palin is a picture of everything that is wrong with the GOP.

Here we see all of the simultaneous contradictory beliefs the GOP has within its party, all rolled up into a single, self-contradictory person.
It's unbelievable.

Its a free country but you gotta figure belonging to such a party advocating the breakup of the union sorta disqualifies you from ever being president of what would be the remainder of that union, dontcha think?

[Life Long Dem]

225. And they don't call McCain - McSame for nothing.

[TwilightGardener]

2. Hahh!!! Secessionist! WHICH country does she put first?

[adamuu]

104. "Alaska First. Alaska ALWAYS" n/t

[trueblue2007]

132. Isn't it illegal for the VICE PRESIDENT to HATE the USA???

Isn't there like a law that says if we ever put in a VP that hates America., they get put in a pillory and every single citizen gets to throw a rotten tomato at the?

I thought I read that someplace in the Constitution!!!

[Sherman A1]

154. Not Illegal, but really dumb

I think the VP is really a fourth branch of Government.... See The US Constitution as written by Dick Cheney.....

[skooooo]

229. Palin hates America

Yes she hates America so much she visits the troops on a regular basis. Elmendorf, Fort Rich.

[skooooo]

230. Hates America

Not only does she regulary visit and support our troops, her son is being deployed. Now that sounds like hate to me. You guys rhetoric is almost as bad as some of the right wing republicans.

[George II]

113. I repeat once again (posted a few times already today)

- Governor Meirs (ooops!) Palin will withdraw by the end of the week, maybe much sooner.

[hay rick]

122. over/under

Wednesday noon

[George II]

135. That's pretty accurate - but with the stubbornness of republicans....

...I'd have to take the "over" and figure sometime before Friday. Of course, it depends on how they calculate the embarassment of going through the formal nomination and confirmation on Wednesday and then withdrawing the formal nominee. The "under" would presume that they have the common sense to dump her before they go through the formalities on Wednesday. But that's a mighty steep assumption. Common sense hasn't been a republican trait recently.

Either way, it's almost 100% certain that she won't make it to the general election on November 4.

[Blue State Bandit]

202. The longer they wait, the better...

in my opinion. I personally hope that the AIP story doesn't splash until after The Republican National Conflagration!

[earth mom]

145. I don't get the logic in your post. Why should Palin withdraw? Rethugs get away with murder

I don't see them thinking this is a big deal at all. :shrug:

[George II]

178. The sheer weight of ALL the "scandals":

Questionable pregnancy
Underage unmarried daughter's pregnancy (possibly second?)
Troopergate
Reverse Hillary effect already
Connections with Senator Stevens
Initial opposition to the Iraqi War ("war for oil")
AIP Member

Just too much for even Republicans to withstand. She'll drop out almost any time now.

[harmonicon]

180. oh, yeah, those are huge scandals sure to sink someone in a national election

Just imagine if she had started an illegal war of aggression, lied to congress and the public, tapped the phones of every american, authorized and condoned the use of torture, arrested US citizens with no right of habeus corpus.... oh.... nevermind.

[Sherman A1]

156. I hope not

She adds sooo very much to the campaign :sarcasm:

[cyndensco]

200. Oh, I will hate to see Harriet, I mean, Sarah, Palin withdraw.

This is just TOOOO much fun! :bounce:

[DangerousRhythm]

194. Answer:

[BrklynLiberal]

4. Guess her moves done just for political expediency have come back to bite in in her cute little ass.

[WeDidIt]

5. BOOM!

Done deal. She will be dropping out.

[BearSquirrel2]

121. Too much heat ...

The smart thing to do will be to drop her from the ticket. I think there was already a lot of skepticism and this is why the Republican convention has been so curtailed. There is no room for dissent.

If they don't take her off the ticket, McCain will go down in glorious flames. I hope they leave her on. Too bad this didn't come out until AFTER the convention!!!!

[madmax]

6. McGramps should have

just opened the phone book and picked a VP. He's too nuts and lame to be prez.

[liberalhistorian]

12. He probably would have done better

if he'd done so!

[RagAss]

7. SEDITION !!!!!

[muryan]

8. This is the big one

But will they question her patriotism? I think not

[RagAss]

10. Oh Yeh !!!!!!

[Cha]

26. Will they stop making ads about Michelle's

Patriotism now? About they're trying to slime Michelle Obama 'cause they have nothing?

[GoesTo11]

124. Excellent point.

[adamuu]

107. I feel like i'm visiting a funpark

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

[FVZA_Colonel]

119. If Babygate, Troopergate, and Bankruptcygate couldn't finish her off,

this will.

[jhrobbins]

199. I think the tipping point will be 'brother-in-lawgate'. This to me, if

borne out like the fired chief says it will (he supposedly has emails, etc., from Palin, plus the visit from the 'First Dude'), will be the bigger issue.

[skooooo]

227. troopergate

Have any of you all read the substantiated allegations of misbehavior of this tropper??? He needs to be fired.

[jhrobbins]

236. This may be true, but I don't think that Palin's pressure was about that.

If all that is reported is true, there would be no question, in any one's mind, that he should be fired and the Governor wouldn't have to send surreptitious emails and send the 'First Dude' to talk to the commander. They are not mutually exclusive.

[patrice]

9. Excellent. Excellent!

[sandnsea]

11. The Militia Infested AIP

The Party that ex-Michigan militia commander, Norm Olson, went to Alaska to join.

[scarface2004]

13. maybe they could join russia...

its kinda close to there according to the guy on fox news!

[RagAss]

14. This is it !!!!!!

[Douglas Carpenter]

15. RECOMMEND!! RECOMMEND!!! RECOMMEND!!! NOW THIS IS THE STORY TO PUSH TO THE TOP NOW!!!

PLEASE, EVERYONE, EVERYONE KICK AND RECOMMEND!!!

[pizoxuat]

19. Don't have enough posts to recommend

But consider this a healthy kick, I think this is our strongest angle of attack on Palin.

[Psyop Samurai]

64. Welcome to DU, pizoxuat...

:hi:

I recommended for us both.

[DUlover2909]

87. I will Rec for you =)

[NewJeffCT]

96. welcome to DU

and, I agree it's a good angle to attack.

[Night_Nurse]

216. Welcome to DU! :-)

[Jackpine Radical]

117. Push-push-push.

This is so much better, so much more Rove-proof than any of those reeee-dick-i-lis baby stories, and it's meaningful!

Spin this one, KKKarl.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

16. ROFLOL! Now *this* is great.

[DeschutesRiver]

17. Last straw

She doesn't want to be part of the nation; but she is willing to run it should McCain pass on? She had NO BUSINESS accepting this nominaton. NONE.

I can't even figure out a way to make this news sound normal. Miss Alaska First is pretending to go along with McCain's Country First campaign promise?

IS MCCAIN OUT OF HIS FREAKING MIND? I don't think anything has upset me this whole campaign season as much as the idea that if we lost as democrats (bad as that would be), the danger now is that if McCain doesn't recover from his next inevitable cancer bout, we will have this beeyouch as our freaking leader of the free world.

Even if he is alive, do I want him sending someone with these views of what it means to be an American to negotiate on my behalf with the rest of the world? Honestly, I don't think so. I'm an independent, not some uberly overly patriotic 24/7 flag waving kind of older woman, but this is repugnant to me. Has outraged me more than I though possible.

Get out of my face Palin, and keep working on getting out of my country. No, you don't have to feel the same way I do about America; but don't you dare try to run it for me, feeling as you do.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

18. So she was advocating illegal activity?

Unilaterial secession by one state is against federal law, as per the 1869 U.S. Supreme Court case Texas v. White. Mutually agreeable secession between the states through constitutional amendment was left open by the court as probably legal. So was Sarah Palin supporting the idea of illegal unilaterial secession by Alaska or mutual secession by constitutional amendment? Either way, it looks pretty bad for her to be a member of a kook, fringe organization.

[Douglas Carpenter]

69. no more illegal than if she had been a Communist Party member and had addressed their 2008 conventi

their 2008 convention. But such a person would not likely be the Vice Presidential nominee of one of the two major American political parties.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

91. Communist Party membership isn't illegal

But taking overt action to unilaterally secede from the union IS illegal under federal law. My question is if she was advocating illegal activity, not whether her party membership in itself was illegal.

In other words, I'm not talking about party membership or the freedom of association. I'm talking about activity. I'm not even necessarily saying that Palin is violating the law if she promotes secession. But I'm asking if she's promoting illegal acts taken by others in furtherance of illegal secession.

[reggie the dog]

158. IT IS NOT ILLEGAL FOR STATES TO BREAK AWAY

At least not when they do it individually.

[WinkyDink]

159. SEE POST #157.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

195. See Texas v. White, U.S. Supreme Court case

It is absolutely, unequivocally, without any doubt whatsoever ILLEGAL for any state to attempt to unilaterally secede. PERIOD.

[mnhtnbb]

20. Which is why she mentioned that as VP she'd have to be promoting Alaska

in that video where she asked what the job of VP entailed!

There is a FABULOUS ad in this one.

[TwilightGardener]

37. I thought that was strange--she seemed to be saying that the VP job

would have to benefit Alaska somehow. Made no sense, at the time. Now it sorta does.

[AZBlue]

21. This combined with her quotes that she hopes to do a lot for Alaska as VP is big.

I mean, shouldn't she think of herself as VP of the 50 states, not just the one she comes from?

[DCBob]

22. This is a killer issue!! She hates America!!

This will make a great ad.

[Phredicles]

60. And keep saying it: SARAH PALIN HATES AMERICA!!!

By all rights this should her career AND McCrash's right freaking now.

[me b zola]

139. Google bomb!

Link right to this story! :thumbsup:

[me b zola]

140. Sarah Palin hates America!

McCain = the worst judgment in political history. John McCain cannot be trusted to be the president.

[reggie the dog]

152. I am sure he knew this

and thought it would be a positive in getting those people who want to drown the federal goverment in the bathtub to keep voting Republican. Like her teen daughter who was taught abstinence being pregnant I am sure he knew the past political party membership of his nominee. Now we just have to figure out what his strategy is.

[Cha]

23. Shocked that disney let this out..what is

UP!?!

[yardwork]

65. It looks like the corporate media is dumping her. She's history.

[skooooo]

24. HAPPY FUCKING DAYS ARE HERE AGAIN!

:bounce:

:bounce:

:bounce:

:bounce:

:bounce:

[Mark E. Smith]

25. Would Sarah Palin be the first elected secessionist in Washington DC ...

... since the Civil War era?

This is a huge story!

[WeDidIt]

35. As of Wednesday, She Will Be The First Secessionist Nominee

on a major party's ticket since Reconstruction.

[skooooo]

36. Does this mean the Republican party is merging with the AIP party??

:shrug:

[reggie the dog]

153. full circle

The Democrats used to be the party of secession, now it seems that the Republicans are, why else would they have nominated someone who supports Alaskan independence to the office of VP. They must want to see the USA split up into many smaller countries and go with some kind of model based on the European Union.

[ErinBerin84]

27. Jesus Christ...

What is this, day 4 of Palin??? What next?

[Botany]

29. just stop it!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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[MassLiberal]

30. K&R!

[coalition_unwilling]

31. OMFG--does this mean Palin can be

charged with sedition?

:)

[WeDidIt]

32. Here's a New HISTORIC Bit in This Campaign

Sarah Palin will be the FIRST SECESSIONIST on the national ticket since RECONSTRUCTION!

[TwilightGardener]

33. In Freepville, the reaction to this story is either "so what" or "I like her

even better now"--they are shitting their pants and in total denial.

[Left Is Write]

47. Are those who say such things blind, in denial, stupid...what?

Don't they realize this information makes a mockery of their own candidate's campaign slogan?

[Dr. Death]

197. Probably not - critical thinking isn't their strong suit.

[muryan]

57. link?

[TwilightGardener]

59. I'm not going to link it, go over to Free Republic, this story was posted

about an hour ago--should be easy to find.

[muryan]

62. I'm surprised someone actually posted it there

Freepers are allergic to facts.

[mwb970]

209. That's something that amazes me about Freepers and other righties.

No matter how bad the revelation, no matter how horrifying the behavior, by Palin or any other Republican, the response is always, always "I like her even better now!"

Good things make them like her better. Neutral things make them like her better. Terrible, horribly un-American things make them like her much better. Where is the logic here?

It reminds me of those "the world will end on June 20" wacko groups. When the world does not in fact end on June 20, the reaction from the group is always exactly the same: "That proves we were right!"

[Cali_Democrat]

34. WOW

:popcorn:

[tekisui]

38. KNR!

The gift that keeps on giving!

[Alexander]

39. k&r

[RagAss]

40. Is there a Lawyer in the house?

Can she be charged with sedition?

[WeDidIt]

56. Nope

She can't, but the positions do border on sedition.

The party she was a member of advocates secession and the GOP is about to nominate the first secessionist since REconstruction.

[RagAss]

72. Thanks !!!

[reggie the dog]

151. no where near sedition

it is perfectally constitutional for individual states to break away from the union so long as they do not do so to form a rival union. An independent Alaska would just be one state leaving the USA. The new country would not even share a border with the USA. This is a huge conflict of interest in my opinion. I personally would not vote for a VP who advocates that her home state break away from the USA.

[elehhhhna]

206. SOME PEOPLE SAY: She's in negotiations w/ Pootie-Poot already!

[RagAss]

41. dupe

Can she be charged with sedition?

[RagAss]

42. Dupe

Can she be charged with sedition?

[RagAss]

Dupe

Can she be charged with sedition?

[quantass]

48. lol

[RagAss]

51. HAHHAHA...I freaked out and hit enter 20 times...

[RagAss]

43. dupe

Can she be charged with sedition?

[woo me with science]

44. Oh, this is delicious. nt

[eshfemme]

45. LOL! Alaska First vs Country First

Hurrican Pailin is the McCain campaign's perfect storm! :rofl:

[Faygo Kid]

46. That's it. She's done. She can't survive this one.

She was a member of a party that advocates secession?

Game, set, match. She's done.

[myrna minx]

49. Holy buckets. K&R n/t

[proud patriot]

50. whoops there it is right there

:think:

[LonelyLRLiberal]

52. Check out this link posted in a comment:

Here's an exclusive interview with an Alaskan Independence Party Senate candidate, explaining the ties between the party and Palin:

http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/ipr-exclusive-bob-bird-on-sarah-palin/



(another commenter says the Republican operatives are "spinning like an F5 tornado."

[Blue Gardener]

53. But Obama doesn't wear a flag pin!

Why does he hate America? :sarcasm:

[valerief]

54. K&R

:kick:

[Lorien]

55. Say it now "SARAH PALIN HATES AMERICA"!

No wonder she waited 14 HOURS after her water broke to avoid having her at risk baby born in Washington or Texas; she would rather her baby DIE than be born in another American state. Now THAT'S what I call an irrational hatred of America!

[gauguin57]

89. Exactly! She wanted her baby to someday be president of the Republic of Alaska...

... when her dreamed-of day comes to pass and she's Queen of the Republic of Alaska ...

The baby had to be a "natural-born citizen" of the Republic of Alaska to be able to run for King of the Republic of Alaska in 35 years.

[Faygo Kid]

58. I just posted on the ABC blog, and have to share this one.

Is this a hoot, or what?

So how many posters here are paid Obama employees? What is up with you guys, I really hope you are paid employees because I really can't believe in my heart you all are so ignorant and rude. Sounds like the AIP party has some interesting ideas like empowering the people. Private property ownership sounds like a really horrible thing. Oh wait Socialist Obama and his cultists are against that. One other question, if Obama wins are we eventually all going to have to drink pink cool aid? I guess that would solve the poplulation problem.

Posted by: Pennsylvania Proud | Sep 1, 2008 8:42:23 PM

Sounds to me like the AIP does indeed have some interesting ideas, like SECEDING FROM THE UNITED STATES.

Goodbye, Sarah. She won't be speaking on Wednesday. She's finished.

[Tesla]

63. K&R

[cyndensco]

201. NOOOOO

Sarah HAS to stay in - she just CAN'T resign. This is just too much fun!!

[cliffordu]

61. I love her sooooo much!!

:rofl:

[vanderBeth]

66. She really is the gift that keeps on giving

I <3 her in a sick way.

[XemaSab]

I'll be TRULY happy

when the sex video comes out. :popcorn:

[Wapsie B]

191. Yes I will be too.

That has got to be coming soon.

:popcorn: :popcorn:

[Raine]

67. This seems treasonist

can imagine what the flack would be if Obama had participated in such a thinking.

[beachmom]

68. Alaska first, baby!! :) nt

[Dudley_DUright]

70. and she drops out to spend "more time with her family" in 5, 4

3, 2, ...

[cut_cutta]

71. Freeperland is funny as hell right now!!!! haha

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/members-of-frin.html

Oh wow. Y'all were right. They see this as a PLUS for her. "Country first", uh huh.

[NotThisTime]

81. They see this as a PLUS???

[maxrandb]

111. They'll just put on their hoods

and scream "State Rights".

[ccharles000]

73. Kick

[Quixote1818]

74. I don't see how she can survive this. nt

[harun]

177. Easy for a Republican. Corporate media will gloss over all these

little troubles she is having.

[ellenfl]

75. k&r eom

[Douglas Carpenter]

76. ANOTHER POST THAT NEEDS LOTS AND LOTS OF RECOMMENDS..THIS STORY NEEDS TO GET OUT EVERYWHERE

[denem]

77. YES!!!!!!!!!!!

[Douglas Carpenter]

78. another kcik NEEDS MORE RECOMMENDS!!

[AbbeyRoad]

79. So "Country First" means which to her USA or alaska?

In the second video on the Daily Kos link, the Vice Chairman of the Alaska Independence Party says that Palin "was an AIP member before she got the job as a mayor of a small town. That was a non-partisan job. But to get along and to go along she eventually joined the Republican party where she has all kinds of problem with her ethics." It sounds as if she made the switch to the Republican party for political expediency.


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/1/4231/18477/878/581881

[Douglas Carpenter]

80. cick

[demobabe]

82. That's Symbolman's Sister who was quoted!

It's a small world afterall... :)

[beac]

83. Well, this ought tp play well with the "The South Will Rise Again" crowd.

Holy Jefferson Davis, I knew thought the next war McCain would drag us into would be The Civil 2.0! :rofl:

[gauguin57]

84. Traitor! Traitor! Clap her in irons! Put her in the stocks!

(get her off the ticket -- after she debates Joe Biden).

[vaberella]

85. TREASON!!! Send it to Kos, Olberman, Huffpost, everyone, everyone everyone!!

She committed treason!!

[Douglas Carpenter]

86. kcik

[FatDave]

88. Na na na na...na na na na...hey hey...

...go get fucked you treasonous little fundie twit.

[mod mom]

90. The GOP makes another terribly wrong decision that will haunt them.

[reggie the dog]

160. ti is all strategyy

this is to get the votes of states rights people.

[kestrel91316]

92. Hey, I heard Sarah "I Hate America" Palin is an AK secessionist!!

[ClusterFreak]

93. 'Scuse me while I unbutton my belt....

...I'm afraid I've made a pig of myself on Schadenfreude Stew the last few days. I should know better, but you know...it's a holiday weekend and all.

Anybody got any Pepto? ;-)


Bwaahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...............!!!!!!!!!!:spray:

[Arrowhead2k1]

94. This is explains why she risked everything flying to Alaska to have that baby.

She knew that when Alaska secedes, Trig needed to be naturalized!

[NewJeffCT]

95. MODS - I didn't see this thread when I posted mine

please combine with mine, if possible

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6871339&mesg_id=6871339

[Straight Shooter]

97. "Sarah Secessionist." That's got a nice ring to it, don'tcha think?

The POW and the Secessionist. Geez, Louise, you CANNOT make this sh*t up.

[Douglas Carpenter]

98. another kick --- PLEASE RECOMMEND, RECOMMEND, RECOMMEND!!!

[mscuedawg]

99. Same thought when I read this...

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=300668510518137

...interview w/ Palin, July 2008.

[JenniferJuniper]

100. "I'm in the dance band on the Titanic

"Sing 'Nearer my God, to Thee'
The iceberg's on the starboard bow
Won't you dance with me"

[JimDandy]

125. I heard that song ONCE

and loved it. Never heard it again. Who sings it?

[JenniferJuniper]

144. Harry Chapin

Here's a version. Not the greatest quality, but it is a good tune.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5le92UmPmU

[JimDandy]

186. Thank you so much. And video too! n/t

[drm604]

101. K&R

This is the story we should be pushing. :kick:

[trthnd4jstc]

102. What is Funny about the AIP is that they claim that the US took control over a load of land that ...

They now cannot use:

General Assembly Resolution 626 (VII). Right to exploit freely Natural Wealth and Resources, 21 December 1952 indicates that because "...the right of peoples freely to use and exploit their natural wealth and resources is inherent in their sovereignty, and is, in accordance with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations, ..... (2) Further recommends that all member States refrain from acts, directly or indirectly, designed to impede the exercise of the sovereignty of any state over its natural resources."

This is on a page called a Primer for Independence: http://www.akip.org/article-statehood-primer.html

Here is a link to their website:

http://www.akip.org/

[Rockholm]

103. And the hits keep coming!

[and-justice-for-all]

105. fascist come lately indeed...

Thats treason.

[JenniferJuniper]

106. The woman is clearly a kook

And I suspect we are only seeing the tip of that iceberg.

[and-justice-for-all]

108. Yup, she is a nut case alright...

the more we learn about her, the better.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

116. And her religious views are probably fascinating as well

[Hekate]

133. Yes indeed, & it was the ultra-right fundies who vetted SP.That's why Dobson et al are doing nip-ups

Now we know that Sarah Palin WAS vetted, and by whom.

Here's the DU post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x380446380446

Ultra-Secretive Right-Wing Group Met In Minn. To Vet Palin
Posted by DogPoundPup on Mon Sep-01-08 11:17 AM
posted by Max Blumenthal on 09/01/2008 @ 08:37am

Last week, while the media focused almost obsessively on the DNC's spectacle in Denver, the country's most influential conservatives met quietly at a hotel in downtown Minneapolis to get to know Sarah Palin. The assembled were members of the Council for National Policy, an ultra-secretive cabal that networks wealthy right-wing donors together with top conservative operatives to plan long-term movement strategy.

CNP members have included Tony Perkins, James Dobson, Grover Norquist, Tim LaHaye and Paul Weyrich. At a secret 2000 meeting of the CNP, George W. Bush promised to nominate only pro-life judges; in 2004, then-Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist told the group, "The destiny of the nation is on the shoulders of the conservative movement." This year, thanks to Sarah Palin's selection, the movement may have finally aligned itself behind the campaign of John McCain.
<snip>

[sasquatch]

109. That will only make her more popular with the southern white voting block

:(

[Douglas Carpenter]

114. even if that is so, like Trent Lott's comments about Strom Thurmond's 1948 segregationist campaign

it might have sold as "boo bait for the bubbas" as they way, but it passes the pale of respectability and makes them look like nut cases and unacceptable for high office

[Cascades07]

110. She wasn't vetted

She was part of a group that wanted to divide our nation. Oh boy.

[Jack from Charlotte]

112. We're with you, Sarah....signed.... The Confederate States of America. (NFM)

*

[BearSquirrel2]

115. Hmmmm... the theme of the party was secession ...

I'm going to guess she was in favor of secession. If she wasn't, she shouldn't have been part of this party.

[JenniferJuniper]

118. "Alaska First"

Kind of ironic when you think of McCain's "Country First" motto.

Looks like country comes in a distant second at best for both McCain and Palin.

[GoesTo11]

127. "Not Ready", "Country First" -- this is like a 3 Stooges movie

their original convention theme they had to abandon when he picked her was "Not Ready". So they changed it to "Country First" and her party is actually "Alaska First". You couldn't write funnier dialogue.

[JPZenger]

120. She's Jefferson Davis to Obama's Lincoln

Jefferson Davis was actually a weak president for the successionists. Meanwhile, Obama's hero is Abe Lincoln.

[Douglas Carpenter]

123. KIK

[chill_wind]

126. Tsk. So much for lapel pins. "18 million cracks in the glass ceiling"

and McCain selects a *crackpot,*to quote/paraphrase the recent words of another observant DUer (with apologies, for I forget who.)

[helderheid]

128. Is it still a drip or at we at full spigot open mode?

[trickyguy]

129. Flip flop, flip flop. Whatever serves the moment Ms. Palin.

[workinclasszero]

130. Palin is a fuckin traitor!

Damn the freeper rethuglicans froth at the mouth over things Obama's preacher says and then turn around and worship this Palin snake-in-the-grass, secessionist!

This women HATES AMERICA!!!!

This is more proof that the republicans mean to destroy the USA!

A. Lincoln must be spinning in his grave at warp speed over the traitorous, anti american scum that now control his party!

[tomnjoy]

131. Kickety kick and a rec!

:woohoo:

[Douglas Carpenter]

134. kik!! THIS NEEDS LOTS AND LOTS OF RECOMMENDS!!!

[Seldona]

136. K&R

Alaska first? Succesion? Unfreakingbelievable! Going to enjoy watching them spin this one.

[workinclasszero]

137. WHY DOES SECESSIONIST SARAH HATE AMERICA?? (nt)

[TheDonkey]

138. O-H F-U-C-K

[jazzjunkysue]

141. Well, this is in fact, the best that the GOP can deliver. Bravo. Well done.

The. Gang. Who. Could't. Shoot. Straight.

[tomg]

142. So, I have a question,

(since we have entered into Bizarro world)
McCain wins, Alaska legally seccedes, McCain drops dead - then would Palin still be the president or would she have to resign because she is no longer a citizen. Just askin. Seriously, does anyone give Laurel and Hardy any chance at this point? Dominionists, Secessiomists, Ethics Investigations, Creationism - and that's since Friday.

[reggie the dog]

161. dual CITIZENSHI P

seeing as her residence would be dc she would be fine.

[vaberella]

164. Nope, she'd just rename the United States of America to THE UNITED STATES OF ALASKA. n/t

[Dick Seepenz]

219. Add to this scenario, we get a pregnant President from practicing non-contraception

and her new baby will be an "Alaskan Citizen"
---Sarcasm of course!
but anything can happen!

[everything-bolt-up]

143. WOW!!!! Not enough posts to rec but kick times infinity!!!!!!!

[Oldtimeralso]

146. Now being shot in St. Paul...

The GEEZER & SECEDING SARAH

R Rated for violence, sexual situations and drug situations(the stars are two dopes)

[KathieG]

147. This is like Christmas!

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[rpannier]

148. So I guess this means we won't see her wearing an American Flag pin on her lapel

[defendandprotect]

149. That's just a tad on the raging radical right . . .!!! Alaskan Secession -- !!!

[FVZA_Colonel]

150. I want to be clear: there is more then just them saying she was a member, right?

I really, really don't want this blowing back in our faces; this will be the final nail in her coffin.

[TheKentuckian]

162. A member

would be pretty damning. She doesn't have to be in a leadership position to be too Reich Wing for all but the most extreme of even the Reich Wing it's self.
It's pretty tough to get even the states rights types to tolerate anything like succession and a VP on record as saying she'd use the position to advocate for Alaska.

This is a national office Palin is not onboard with being responsible to all the citizens of our nation, just Alaska and far out loonies and McCain is utterly incompetent and not fit for office.

[XemaSab]

171. ENJOY!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x179511

[reggie the dog]

155. States Rights strategy

this is to get the support of folks who like states rights. She will support states rights to choose if they remain in the USA, to choose whether or not cannabis is legal (like in Alaska) to decide about medical marijuana, to decide about prostitution, to decide about teaching creationism and to decide about abortion once McCains nominee to the supreme court overturns Roe V Wade. McCain knew this in advance and it is part of his strategy. Do you really believe that he didn't know about this? He knew and he sees it as an asset. If we attack her for it we come off as anti states rights. That is their real strategy. They will use our criticism of this to say we are anti constitutional and anti American.

[IamyourTVandIownyou]

157. Kohlhaas v. State (11/17/2006)

Wiki - Secession in the United States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secession_in_the_United_States

In November 2006, the Supreme Court of Alaska held that secession was illegal, Kohlhaas vs. State, and refused to permit an otherwise proper Initiative to be presented to the people of Alaska for a vote.

-

Kohlhaas v. State (11/17/2006) sp-6072, 147 P3d 714

THE SUPREME COURT OF THE STATE OF ALASKA

INTRODUCTION

Scott Kohlhaas drafted an initiative calling for
Alaskas secession from the United States or, in the alternative,
directing the state to work to make secession legal, and
submitted the initiative, along with one hundred signatures, to
the lieutenant governor.

http://touchngo.com/sp/html/sp-6072.htm

-

[reggie the dog]

163. interesting

what says the us supreme court?

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

198. U.S. Supreme Court case Texas v. White (1869)

The Supreme Court declared that the United States was a "perpetual union" and that no state could unilaterally secede. The decision was based on the U.S. Constitution and the Articles of Confederation that preceded it, which referred to the establishment of a "perfect union" which could not be changed. They did however allow the possibly of mutual secession, if the idea were agreeable among the several states and they convened a constitutional convention and added a new amendment allowing a particular state seeking secesson to secede.

[reggie the dog]

235. how do you think

today's supreme court would decide? 1869 was just after the civil war, perhaps the opinion would be different now, it is 140 years old after all.

[liberalaska]

220. I know Scott...

He makes his living writing and circulating petitions. He is a pretty strange dude and not affiliated with the AIP or Palin in any way. He is currently the chairman of the Alaska Libertarian Party, which is generally pretty close to the views of the AIP, just without the seccession bit.

[saltpoint]

165. Imagine if Joe Biden were found to have belonged to a party

which advocated the secession of Delaware from the union.

It could be that Palin exhibits an absence of faith and interest in the responsibilities and conditions of this world because she belongs to a church tradition that is contemptuous of this world, concentrating instead on the next world.

In any case, this hasn't been quite the week for the Republicans they might have hoped for.

[Enthusiast]

168. Yep, but all the media wants to talk about is

the hurricanes. Imagine that.

[saltpoint]

169. Yes. The Republicans are getting an easier time of it because of

the weather.

[Enthusiast]

166. This should be issue # 1 !!!

We should hit them with this until the election.

But ultimately I think McCain will now have to drop Palin. I mean, who would want a traitor to the U.S.A. as vice president? Even Republicans aren't this dumb, are they?

[TheKentuckian]

167. The thing about swearing to protect the union

would seem to take her too far to the reich. McCain is going to run on dissolving the Union?!?

I don't know if we're prepared to digest that kind of action in a couple of months or less. No way they dare run on that. Obama would flag beat them into oblivion.

[agentS]

170. Howard Dean was right all along, folks!

Remember earlier this year when he said the Republicans
“looks like the 1950s and talks like the 1850s.”
Who would've thought he would be literally correct? The Repubs have become the Democrats of the 1850s and Secession is on the table!

I knew this election would bring out the wackos and racists, but WOW! The secessionists too?! What's next? Is she a secret member of the Whigs or Know-Nothings as well? Are we bringing back the Monroe Doctrine?

[Enthusiast]

172. We need some good old fashioned

Manifest Destiny.

:rofl: :sarcasm:

[Idaho_Independent]

173. ABC Pulled the Blog

The story was on ABC's front page as their lead story. It has been pulled off that page completely and unless you know exactly where to find the article, it is unlikely someone casually on their site could find it.

What gives? Are they dropping the story or are they planning to run something more substantial?

[mucifer]

175. holy crap! This is NOT good.

[Douglas Carpenter]

176. CNN Good Morning American brought up the story one hour ago and the blog is still there as usual

I think they just routinely change their front pages - even DU does that:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/members-of-frin.html

[redqueen]

188. This is bottom right under the "Political Punch" heading.

Another AIP Official Says Palin Was at 1994 Convention


Sad, but this is just typical M$M behavior.

[FVZA_Colonel]

212. The McCain campaign claims it can prove she was always a Repug:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080902/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_palin_politics


Of course, I have no idea why the AIP people would make these claims if they knew they weren't true.

[Ganja Ninja]

174. This woman is a total nut job.

Is this kook the best person for the job that McStain could find?

[Historic NY]

179. Thats why she has foreign policy experience. Alaska is a foreign country...

in her mind.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

182. duzy worthy

[La Lioness Priyanka]

183. duzy worthy

[La Lioness Priyanka]

181. oh boy. this in insane.

[paparush]

184. COUNTRY FIRST!!!! LMAO!!!!

[Veruca Salt]

187. K&R baby!

:woohoo:

[happygoluckytoyou]

189. LENO GETS A BREAK... the jokes are now writing themselves

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x179729

[KingFlorez]

190. I sent this story out to everyone on my email contact list

I suggest that others send this story to people they know, it's important that people know exactly what sort of person the Republicans want as VP.

[davidwparker]

192. K&R

[Shiver]

193. No, I think this is a sign...

Okay, this is the call-to-arms! The Alaskan people will greet us as liberators! We MUST free them from the tyrannical rule of Sarah Pa...oh... wait...

Free Alaska!


~Shiver (They have oil, but that isn't what this is about, really...)

[toadzilla]

196. K&R!

[pleah]

203. K&R

:kick:

[JenniferJuniper]

204. Jack Cafferty just raised the "Alaska First" motto and

directly compared it to McCain's "Country First".

Oh, my.

[WatchWhatISay]

205. At least we won't have to listen to her trotting out to say "I've always been proud of my country"

a la Barbie McCain

[1Hippiechick]

232. The bastards only played PART of the clip:. She SAID: "Ive always been proud of my country CLUB."

And, "We believe in ppl pulling themselves up by their Ferragamo "Pregiato" bootstraps."
The friggin' MSM played instead: "We believe in ppl pulling themselves up by their bootstraps."

:rofl:

[Maestro]

207. Wow. I swear McCain

was smoking crack when he picked Palin!

[fascisthunter]

210. no... he's just the right wing's bitch and will do as they say he should

whether it be stupid or not...

[glancingthefuture]

208. um.they only have heresay so far. No real proof.

[POAS]

211. Welcome to DU

What made u decide to join us?

[glancingthefuture]

214. oh, i mainly read the board--during the primaries. I did not

get into the terrible bashing. I would rather talk facts and issues and am hoping DU would do this once the dem. convention was over.

but sorry to that very little issues are being discussed. rumors-the spreading of rumors, and heresay --and then saying it is the 'truth' is mostly what i see so far. maybe after the repug conv. this happen. we will see. Friends have told me that DU used to have a good reputation as a progressive blog but has gone downhill this last year with many good people banned or leaving.


we will see.

Thanks for asking

[vaberella]

213. There's proof on her husband. 6 long years of it. n/t

[glancingthefuture]

215. yes, i saw that. Not relevant to Sarah

[vaberella]

221. Actually it's very relevant when it's added with a video and

the leader of the AIP is currently searching for the old enrollment papers to find her name since many members have come forward to say she was at their meetings. So the relevance is there.

Further more what does it say about her to not warn her husband about a group that is basically treasonous in lieu of her role in the government and her enforcement of Federal Laws.

[FVZA_Colonel]

223. Do you have links on them searching for the papers?

That would be perfect if it were the case.

[vaberella]

224. Go to this thread and skim through the posts.

It was answers to my question on the situation. Links and quotes listed.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6884785

[glancingthefuture]

226. I just think it is a non issue and makes us Democrats come

across as desperate. IMHO

[vaberella]

234. Not necessarily. Those groups are national security risks and there's

no way to determine the depth of his involvement especially if she comes home with any national secrets of some nature. Shit like that haunts the candidate.

[liberalaska]

217. I hate to defend Palin and the AIP but...

The AIP hasn't been seriously about seccession for a long time. I'm sure it comes up at their little meetings, but I would guess since the founder of the party Joe Vogler was murdered in the 80's they haven't been serious about it.

There is a large contingent of people here who look at how Alaska became a state, and see that under international laws it wasn't exactly legal. Under the UN Charter the people of Alaska should have voted whether or not to join the union. There was an election held, but natives couldn't vote and soldiers of the US Army were not only allowed to vote but paid $5 by the government to vote yes. They should not have been allowed to vote at all as they were not citizens of the area. I would bet that if only citizens of the territory were allowed to vote it would have gone the other way and AK wouldn't have become a state. If a vote was held today to secceed it would be very interesting. I would guess that we would vote to stay part of the US, but people are weird up here.

And if you ever see registration numbers showing that the AIP is a big party, it isn't. Most registered as AIP meant to register as independent, not as a member of the AIP, I know several people who have done that. And Alaska voters are overwhelmingly independent and non-partisan, I think something over 50% of registered voters do not belong to the Dems or Repubs, although they mostly vote R up here.

I guess I am not really defending anyone, just clarifying that she wasn't a member of some radical group advocating the overthrow of the government or something. But if it hurts McCant's chances in November, it can't be a bad thing that the story is out there.

[baldguy]

218. "[Lynette Clark] says it's not accurate to describe the party as secessionist -- "

"...they just want a vote." TO SECECEDE!

The South shall rise again - IN THE NORTH!

[bhikkhu]

222. Priceless!

Palin is a gift that keeps giving!

[Krashkopf]

228. Can you say . . . Tom Eagleton!

Great pick McCain!

[downindixie]

231. Since half of her church speaks in tongues,I want

to know if Palin does.This woman is a kook and fits right in with the rest of the Alaskans that moved there just to get away from everyone else.I might fit right in!

[katerinasmommy]

233. Please don't let it stop!

"Sarah, Sarah
storms are brewing in your eyes
Sarah, Sarah
no time is good time for goodbyes
Sarah, Sarah
storms are brewing in your eyes
Sarah, Sarah
no time is a good time
no-oh-oh-oh-oh
oh-Sarah
why did it, why did it,
why did it all fall apart?"

My ode to the lovely and talented Governor!

LOL