Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Sarah Palin tied to AIP - a group that advocated Alaska's secession from the US

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 09:30 AM
Original message
Sarah Palin tied to AIP - a group that advocated Alaska's secession from the US
She even addressed the AIP earlier this year - good diary on Kos. I won't hold my breath on it getting as much coverage as Jeremiah Wright, though...


What is Sarah Palin's relationship with the Alaskan Independence Party (AIP)?

As user Liz Arnett informs us, Sarah Palin may have some ties with this organization, and organization whose platform includes "complete independence and nationhood status for Alaska."

Perhaps the question of whether Palin, who's a 72-year-old heartbeat away from the presidency, may want to make America a 49-state nation is something that should have come up during the vetting process? Of course, given that the vetting process is just now getting underway, that the McCain camp knows about the possibility of this bizarre affiliation is doubtful.



http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/1/84544/50180/809/...


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 09:33 AM
Response to Original message
1. Ted Nugent is starting to look pretty normal.
Yep, she's definitely a Hallmark card. Thanks, John McBatshitInsane.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 09:34 AM
Response to Reply #1
2. I wonder if they vetted her as much as Bush vetted Bernie Kerik?
at least Kerik, Giuliani & Bush got hammered over that one.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:51 AM
Response to Reply #2
53. Maury Povich was on the selection committee
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 12:06 PM
Response to Reply #53
55. good one
he can have a "who is the father of my baby" show.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:53 AM
Response to Reply #2
54. dupe (self-delete)_
Edited on Mon Sep-01-08 12:25 PM by gmoney
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
feddup Donating Member (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 06:02 PM
Response to Reply #1
98. Secessionist Sarah
Hi there, this is my first post here at DU, but I've been a big fan for many years. I think this AIP story has very strong legs and really want to see it get out. The other posters in this thread (and on Daily KOS) have some great info that I compiled into an email which I will be sending to all my friends and family. I hope you find it useful and forward it on as well... Let's get this out of the blogosphere and into the MSM.

Secessionist Sarah


Why did John McCain pick a Vice Presidential running mate who supports Alaskan secession from the United States of America?


Sarah Palin, John McCains surprise VP pick, belonged to the Alaskan Independence Party (AIP) before she joined the Republican Party. The AIPs main goal is for Alaskans to achieve independence from America.


She addressed the AIP State Convention in 2008 stating, I share your partys vision. You can watch the entire video of her address here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwvPNXYrIyI


And, here is a video of the Vice Chairman of the AIP, Dexter Clark, praising Gov. Palin for her former membership in the AIP and her support: www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHFY1otOWjQ


Later, the Vice Chairman tells the AIP Convention to INFILTRATE a Political Party if you have tothat's one way of doing it. Interesting that Sarah Palin switched from the AIP to the GOP once she entered politics


Why would John McCain, who says he puts Country First nominate someone who is clearly so un-American???


If you dont believe me, check out this quote:

"I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions."

-- Joe Vogler (Founder of the Alaskan Independence Party, who died in 1993 and was buried in Dawson City, Yukon Territory, Canada, fulfilling a wish that he not be buried under the American flag)


John McCain admits he only met Sarah Palin once before picking her as his running mate. Maybe he didnt know this truth about her. But, now that you and I do, I suggest we ask that John McCain choose a different VP who shares our American values, as opposed to someone who doesnt even want to be an American. And, to make sure our voices are heard, forward this message to as many of your friends as possible!

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 06:12 PM
Response to Reply #98
99. great first post - welcome to DU
I'm over 25,000 posts and have only made a handful that good!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
feddup Donating Member (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 06:21 PM
Response to Reply #99
100. Well, as my username suggests,
I am just so sick of getting my email inbox flooded with all the lies about Obama. So, I figured this was my way of getting back (and getting the truth out) because unlike those emails, this one can be substantiated by facts...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 08:00 PM
Response to Reply #100
103. As Colbert says
Reality has a liberal bias.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 09:35 AM
Response to Original message
3. heee hee ..
Edited on Mon Sep-01-08 09:36 AM by skooooo
Oh that will go over well with the conservatives!

Why does Palin hate America???
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 09:37 AM
Response to Original message
4. Alaska is the US's #3 largest recipient for federal $$ per capita. Who would subsidize them? nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 09:37 AM
Response to Reply #4
5. the oil money nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 09:37 AM
Response to Reply #4
6. ExxonMobil, ChevronTexaco, BP, Royal Dutch Shell
I'm assuming.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 10:01 AM
Response to Reply #4
18. Independence? Good old-fashion Republican Responsibility?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 09:40 AM
Response to Original message
7. This is a line of attack that could & should be exploited to the hilt!
Rec #4, do we have a fifth?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 09:42 AM
Response to Reply #7
8. Exactly. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 09:44 AM
Response to Reply #7
11. You have mine
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 09:43 AM
Response to Original message
9. she was a member of the AIP?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 09:54 AM
Response to Reply #9
14. Supposedly she was before being elected mayor of Wasilla
is there proof - I don't know?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 09:44 AM
Response to Original message
10. Wow, so they have a VP candidate that doesn't want to have her state be part of the US anymore
And they call Obama unpatriotic.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:00 AM
Response to Reply #10
36. I'm sure the mainstream media will be all over that story
sometime in December or January.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 09:45 AM
Response to Original message
12. Palin is possibly the biggest political blunder since "Read my lips...".
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 09:58 AM
Response to Reply #12
17. Yes! Ergo, this HAS to be ALL about solidifying their base during a time of cross-over and
re-alignment. Of course, they'll lie, cheat, and steal a "win" if they can, but Job #1 is to concretize their most reliable voters, so they have something to rebuild on and to offer re-cross-overs later.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 09:46 AM
Response to Original message
13. Country First!
:rofl:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 10:20 AM
Response to Reply #13
23. exactly... which country?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 09:55 AM
Response to Original message
15. Oh honey! THAT under-current has been out there for quite a while! So they're calling those folks
forward . . . WOW, just holy-f-ing WOW!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
votetastic Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 09:56 AM
Response to Original message
16. so she has wanted to be President...
just not of this country
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RadicalTexan Donating Member (607 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 10:03 AM
Response to Original message
19. They're still no Texas!!!
;)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 10:05 AM
Response to Original message
20. Screw Babygate, this is the stuff that will make the case against her
A little more northern exposure of the soccer VP's background, and she's history. Gramps, don't worry about the vetting process, we'll take it from here!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Kitty Herder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 10:08 AM
Response to Original message
21. People should know about this.
Alaskans don't even raise an eyebrow about the AIP. But to the rest of the country, it seems down-right kooky. Not to mention unpatriotic.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 10:25 AM
Response to Reply #21
24. I'm sure it will get as much coverage as Rev. Wright
:sarcasm:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 10:15 AM
Response to Original message
22. Get out there and Forward this everybody! - - - Please!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cirque du So-What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 10:29 AM
Response to Original message
25. Some nutjobs in the Lower 48 may agree with the AIP's stance
After all, the neoConfederates (and the paleoConfederates) are still fighting the Civil War, and some RW libertarians want to increase their population in some low-density state to the point that they're a majority and can then secede from the Union. Likely, there are lots of low-info voters who think secession would be a swell idea!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 10:32 AM
Response to Reply #25
27. It will horrify a lot of Americans, though
including some Republicans
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DeschutesRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 12:08 PM
Response to Reply #27
56. Sure will and it should
Edited on Mon Sep-01-08 12:10 PM by DeschutesRiver
I don't have thing against her believing that AK should leave the US - or care that she holds that view with a bunch of other like minded people.

But a person holding such a view, ie that they do not want to be US citizens anymore, esp a person whose job is governing, is not qualified to hold a job representing our entire union of states. The VP/god forbid Prez job is about all of us in the all the states, and shouldn't be held by someone who doesn't want to be part of the US anymore. And the repubs start a false rumor and bitch that Obama wasn't born here, so can't qualify to be pres? Yet their Veep choice potentially may not want to be a US citizen anymore, and supports people in her state who wish their statehood renounced? This is getting too wierd.

Man, I'd love to see a transcript of what she said to that group in her speech. I guess when Palin said she didn't know what the VP did, she wasn't joking - running the entire nation, or even considering that we are a nation might have been discussed the day she skipped class in high school.

Ever since McCain announced her, I feel like I am living in an alternate universe.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #56
57. it is a bit strange
especially after a bunch of Republics dissed her and her experience in the days leading up to the announcement.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 10:35 AM
Response to Reply #25
31. Militia types - Tim McVeigh types
That'll go over.

I hope the key bloggers get the connection.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 10:37 AM
Response to Reply #31
33. You're right
hopefully it will get beyond here & Kos to TPM and/or Andrew Sullivan
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 10:31 AM
Response to Original message
26. Why do repukes hate America? n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 10:34 AM
Response to Original message
28. And yet for some reason I can't quite figure out, HER patriotism will never be questioned.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 10:34 AM
Response to Original message
29. Militia types
You damn right I'll say I told ya' so.

"I heard about this movement through a news report about ex-Michigan militia commander Norm Olson leaving Michigan to move to Alaska to join the movement. I immediatly started searching for info and came across the AIP site. I am now considering making the move myself! Free Alaska!"

Alaska Independence Party
http://www.akip.org/guest.html
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 10:35 AM
Response to Original message
30. SO this will be added to her resume by rove... "Experience as leader of her own country."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 10:36 AM
Response to Original message
32. BIG UPDATE - another Kos diary has video of Palin addressing AIP *this* year
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/1/4231/18477/878/5...

Look at the group's stated goals -


The AIPs main aim is to secede from the United States, becoming either a territory or a sovereign nation. They aim to be entirely "self-sufficient" using profits from the oil and gas resources of the state.

On
their website, youll see this:

The Alaskan Independence Party can be summed up in just two words:
ALASKA FIRST!

And their 2008 platform:

To seek the complete repatriation of the public lands, held by the federal government, to the state and people of Alaska in conformance with Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17, of the federal constitution.



Also, the diary has another video of the vice chairman of the AIP talking about infiltrating national parties to further their own goals.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:02 AM
Response to Reply #32
37. DESERVES it's own thread! UFB!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:06 AM
Response to Reply #37
40. I'll put it out there
thanks
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 10:43 AM
Response to Original message
34. K & R!
Edited on Mon Sep-01-08 10:48 AM by symbolman
HA HA!! I know ALL those Assholes! My Sister in Alaska is one of them, TOTAL NUTSOS on this..

You want to tie her to this, I will HELP YOU, I can make a FLASH attack ad and we can take this woman DOWN with it.. that will be my next project.. this is INSANE, No True American is going to BUY this COUNTRY FIRST Act from an AIP'r

LOL! This just gets better all the time..

IF indeed she's a part of this, there MAY be an opportunity to TIE her to the DISSAPEARANCE of the HEAD AIP guy, JOE VOGLER..

Google his ass.. he was KIDNAPPED and KILLED, I don't know if they even found his body yet.

(Sadly he was a really cool guy, but as for the AIP scene, total nutso..)

Oh, this is GOOD..

I am SO ON THIS!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 10:46 AM
Response to Reply #34
35. Their motto is Alaska First
Why do they hate America?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:03 AM
Response to Original message
38. bump. Important story
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:04 AM
Response to Original message
39. HOLY SHIT!
The people in the Video YouTube link are MY SISTER AND BROTHER-IN-LAW!! I Gold Mined with them for two summers in AK.

Small goddam world..

I'm going to have to Roast them to Roast Palin.

Man, oh man.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:20 AM
Response to Reply #39
41. wow
that is a small world.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:22 AM
Response to Reply #41
43. I feel
so Dirty... :)

they're a total fringe group.. they'd fit in a living room. I've talked to them, batshit crazy.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:24 AM
Response to Reply #43
45. so, even more fringe than, say
Jeremiah Wright's church?

:evilgrin:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:27 AM
Response to Reply #45
47. You devil :)
Yup Yup! (The mating call of the Wild Palin)..

Watch the video... if you listen near the end of part one Mr Clark is saying, "INFILTRATE a Political Party if you have to.. that's one way of doing it.."

I hate to use my own brother-in-laws words, but if they get that woman kicked out of the Repig Party, then it's worth it.

Maybe these Secessionists will inadvertantly SAVE our Country from McCain and Palin.

That would be Cool. :)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:21 AM
Response to Original message
42. NOW WE KNOW WHY SHE FLEW BACK TO GIVE BIRTH!!!
She wanted Trig BORN on Alaskan soil because of her secessionist views!!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:23 AM
Response to Reply #42
44. oh, that's a good one
didn't even think of that.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:24 AM
Response to Reply #42
46. Good POINT!
I'm going to add that to the video I need to make of this, gotta make this VIRAL, this is great stuff, wanna see this on KO at minimum..

thanks for bringing that up :)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:28 AM
Response to Original message
48. Does she wear a lapel pin with the Alaskan state flag?
Rejecting the United States doesn't look too patriotic, does it?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:30 AM
Response to Reply #48
49. Oh, she has a US flag on her shoulder
so big that if she tripped the flagpole would go right through her neck.

Now THAT's Patriotism man.. except for her addressing the AIP and wishing them "LUCK".. was that "code"?

I think she's addressed a lot of groups, for votes. I wonder if she's actually BEEN a Member, anyone KNow?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:37 AM
Response to Reply #49
50. Supposedly, some AIP members called her a "former member"
Edited on Mon Sep-01-08 11:38 AM by NewJeffCT
don't know if there is any official proof, though.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 01:42 PM
Response to Reply #50
59. Lemme tell you
that's my Bro-in-law talking, I wasn't kidding about that, and he'd go to his grave admitting she was a member if she was.. he's a Moral guy.. and stubborn :)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
demobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 03:20 PM
Response to Reply #50
76. Dexter Clark said Palin won Mayor and that she was their candidate
...And that she campaigned as a Republican so she could win. Similar to what Ron Paul is doing, running as a Republican when he is a Libertarian. Many of these AIP folks are Libertarians.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:41 AM
Response to Original message
51. If she is successful, they can shoot all those damn polar bears and wolves
and drill where they want.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:47 AM
Response to Reply #51
52. drill drill drill
that's the ticket.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 01:42 PM
Response to Original message
58. Now THIS is something to be concerned about in regards to
Palin. Thanks for posting.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:07 PM
Response to Reply #58
60. No problem
it's a bit more important than who really is the mother of the recent Palin baby
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:08 PM
Response to Original message
61. kick
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 03:05 PM
Response to Reply #61
71. another kick
thanks
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 03:56 PM
Response to Reply #71
82. And another kick - this is DAMNING -nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:08 PM
Response to Original message
62. I'm just assuming Keith's crew is on top of all these gems
but if not, how does one forward a link to him?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:11 PM
Response to Reply #62
63. I'd check the MSNBC/Countdown website
and, also Rachel Maddow on Air America
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:31 PM
Response to Reply #63
65. Thanks, I'm not seeing a 'contact us' link there, unless I'm missing it
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:49 PM
Response to Reply #65
69. I didn't see one either - found other NBC "news" shows, but not countdown
weird.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 03:26 PM
Response to Reply #62
78. countdown@msnbc.com
Don't know one for Rachael's show yet.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 04:34 PM
Response to Reply #78
88. Sent.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:31 PM
Response to Original message
64. AIP Vice Chairman Clark: "She was an AIP member before she got the job as mayor".
This could be bigger than the Bridge to Nowhere.

"I was for secession before I was against it".

:wow:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:41 PM
Response to Reply #64
66. see above on that one
The guy saying that is DUer Symbolman's brother-in-law.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:52 PM
Response to Reply #66
70. Holy shit indeed! Go Symbolman!
That is rich! I hope Countdown covers it soon and often! This could be the GOP's "God Damn America" moment. Although I think AIP would parse it "Goddamn America!"
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 03:15 PM
Response to Reply #70
74. All I have to do is to be able to attend family reunions
but I'm seeing an "out" in Dexter's speech, as far as saying that Palin had moral or integrity problems..

He DID say that they should INFILTRATE OTHER Parties.. Republicans anyone? :)

I gotta get something going today and send it to KO and Rachel.. does she start her new show tomorrow?

We've got a SCOOP for her.. she can deliver the "death blow" (metaphorically speaking of course..)

Off to the Flash Work Room..
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 03:45 PM
Response to Reply #74
80. Maddow's show starts September 8
the week after the RNC.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 05:46 PM
Response to Reply #74
97. Hmm...if he thinks Palin has moral or integrity problems...
Any chance he might give you written documentation that she was in fact a member before she became mayor?

Then again, maybe he is well aware that she is part of the "infiltration" and wants to keep mum on the subject until after November 4.

I can't wait to see what you put together on this!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:41 PM
Response to Original message
67. not very patriotic is she?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:42 PM
Response to Reply #67
68. She's a Republican, though
All she has to do to prove her patriotism is to wear a flag pin. A US flag pin
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 03:11 PM
Response to Original message
72. Statement of the founder of AIP
"I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions." - Joe Vogler, founder of the Alaskan Independence Party

http://www.dailykos.com /

Sounds Rev Wright'ish to me.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 03:20 PM
Response to Reply #72
75. Joe was in the word they used "assassinated" I knew him
He was a nice man, had a real Statesman Feel to him.. a goldminer, and I mined gold there for two summers.. he was Torn from his bed, murdered and stuck in the cold ground for at least a year, no one knew where he was, it was frightening.

They got REALLY paranoid about everything, lemme tell ya.

I won't crap on Vogler, I'll quote him, but he was a good man, just wanted his own country, and up there, you can almost believe it could happen.

But NOT with someone like Palin at the helm, and if she WAS cheering these guys on, and I KNOW she was a member, if my bro-in-law says so then it's true, then she has NO BUSINESS as McCain's running mate. Like I believe you said,

"She was FOR Succession before she was Against it.." :)

Gonna use that in my video if folks don't mind, SO DAMNING..
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 03:14 PM
Response to Original message
73. these are the kind of stories that need attention -- not the nutty babygait stories
Edited on Mon Sep-01-08 03:16 PM by Douglas Carpenter
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 03:54 PM
Response to Reply #73
81. you're 100% right
does it really matter about the baby?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 03:23 PM
Response to Original message
77. I put all this up on the Randi Rhodes message board, in addition, I emailed it to her.
I think we should all email her so it will get their attention.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 04:50 PM
Response to Reply #77
89. good idea
do you have a link?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 05:35 PM
Response to Reply #89
95. Here is my link.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 03:40 PM
Response to Original message
79. THIS will do her in. What? 48 hours? KICK! This is HUGE! -nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 03:58 PM
Response to Original message
83. K&R
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 03:58 PM
Response to Original message
84. Oh, this is just too good
Where is her patriotism? And If she connected with people who think Alaska should be independent, why does she want to be VP?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 04:05 PM
Response to Original message
85. How about THIS from their "FAQ"
Q: Would I lose my U.S. citizenship?

A: Depending on the form of independence, several forms of citizenship would be possible, including the retention of U.S. citizenship or dual citizenship. However, considering the moral, educational, and economic decay of the U.S., Alaskans' who hold themselves to a higher standard might very well decide to at least maintain an arm's length distance from a country in decline.

God Bless America, huh?

This is like the fringe separatists getting one of their own into the highest level of the "enemy" camp!

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
grillo7 Donating Member (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 04:11 PM
Response to Original message
86. Isn't that basically the definition of un-American?
We should be running with this instead of baby-gate and hope it sticks. Can you imagine if this had been Obama, by the way? The Repigs would bury us in how un-American and treasonous it was. At the very least it should makes her look pretty mentally unstable...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 04:18 PM
Response to Reply #86
87. I know - this makes Rev. Wright look like a minor quibble
I personally could care less about babygate.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
polly7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 05:13 PM
Response to Reply #87
90. It makes sense ......
Alberta here has most of the oil drilled in Canada, they were all for separating at one time too. Many still are, some my own relatives among them. It's called "we keep ours and screw the rest of you". Palin is so big on oil and drilling, I can absolutely see her being a former member of this party.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 05:25 PM
Response to Reply #90
91. good point
thanks for posting & welcome to DU
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 05:29 PM
Response to Original message
92. If she was a member, then this is the biggest scandal of all
I've looked at the website of the Alaskan Independence Party. These guys are really nuts. They consider the U.S. Constitution to be merely a treaty among 50 separate governments subject to being null and void if any member including the federal government violates that treaty. If Sarah Palin was or still is a member of this organization, then this more than anything else makes her seem very extremist and out of step with the rest of America. Her patriotism also has to be called into question.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 05:36 PM
Response to Reply #92
96. see symbolman's posts above
he & demobabe know some AIP VIPs.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 05:33 PM
Response to Original message
93. It Must Be Covered By MSM - if true - It's Sedition, for God's Sake !!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 05:35 PM
Response to Original message
94. Oh dear
Nice find! This pick looks better and better (well if the Repukes lose that is..or else :scared:)-troopergate, horrible environmental record, ties to all manner of shady groups...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
grateful581 Donating Member (760 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 06:38 PM
Response to Original message
101. wow
Edited on Mon Sep-01-08 06:39 PM by grateful581
she hates America and this is proof. Hopefully other news outlets cover this.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 06:50 PM
Response to Reply #101
102. I hope so as well
I'm not counting on it, but you never know.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr 23rd 2014, 09:12 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC