The problem with BabyGate is....

[Honeycombe8]

there is another person involved: a baby.

To make unproven accusations, whether about the parentage of the baby or the mother's not following good medical behavior pre-delivery, etc., etc. Or even if those things ARE proven....

The loser will be anyone who does anything that is even perceived as harming the baby or her future.

It's just not like some other issues.

So should it be broken if it's proven that she is not the mother of the baby? Maybe by one of those e-mails that the right wing are so fond of spreading...but not officially, IMO. As for whether the mother followed good medical advice in flying pre-delivery, whose business is that, anyway? I don't see that that's relevant at all.

[dysfunctional press]

1. it's a non-issue and/or a trap. dems nor anyone associated with them should pursue or endorse it.

it's an issue best handled by the court of public opinion.

[vaberella]

8. Exactly. n/t

[Demeter]

2. When I Think of How The GOP Treated Chelsea Clinton

frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.

The child is never gonna comprehend. The mother or grandmother never will, either. What's important is that the VOTERS understand what kind of a persona they are being sold.

[Tansy_Gold]

11. A-FREAKING-MEN

:hi:

[Demeter]

29. Hi Tansy! Coming Up for Air, I See!

[marylanddem]

3. Give me a freaking break.

If you don't want to talk about it, ignore the threads. Others believe it should be addressed. And I do wish people would stop with the saintly platitudes about protecting babies, etc. For God's sake, this woman wants to force all women to carry all fetuses to term, as I understand it. So we need to know - is she willing to play mom for all the girls in the United States of America who may find themselves pregnant without a husband?

[Honeycombe8]

4. It is simply wrong to state, w/o proof, that a baby's mother is not a baby's mother.

I feel sorry for you if you have gone so far that you've lost all sense of right and wrong.

If you have proof, turn it over to the Dem. Party, and they will use it better than you ever could. Or turn it over to one of those non-profit political groups....oh, yeah, Obama doesn't want them running ads. Oh, well, that's our bad luck on that.

[Prefer]

7. Who needs proof in a whisper campaign

remember how Rove used that against us all those times.

When you give it out, you get it back.

Fuck the Niceities.

[Honeycombe8]

13. Start one of those massive e-mails like the repugs do. But to openly

tie the Obama campaign, as you are doing, to a "go after the baby" campaign, will harm everyone involved...and will put McCain in the W.H.

[Demeter]

17. Those Who Can't Stand the Heat, Etc. And The One About Politics and Sausage Making

This isn't bridge, or chess, or poker; it's politics! And the oppo isn't a dotty old lady, it's Kkkarl Rove!

[dennis4868]

28. Proof? We don't need no stincken proof!

That's been the Dems problems the last few election...PROOF! The hell with proof...presidential elections are not won or lost with proof....in this day and age you gotta make shit up or take a rumor and make it a fact....Why do you think the Repubs have won the last 2 elections (well they came close to beating Gore in 2000)....it was not on the issues unfortunately but stuff they and the media made up about Gore...that killed Gore and now we have over 4,000 of our kids dead in Iraq....we need to take this country back and if that means attacking McCain/Palin on rumors so be it....it is very unfortunate but this is the way of presidential elections now and the stakes are to damn high!

[Prefer]

5. Un Fucking Believable

from what I can tell, this thing SINKs the entire McCain campaign.

And there is SOOOOOO Much effort dedicated here to make sure we don't talk about it.

Now this "for the child" nonsense?

My god. The good news is this underscores how much this babything is was a direct hit - "you sank my battleship!"

McCain -Palin is DOA! DOA!

[Honeycombe8]

9. Another childless male speaks. You wanna lose fast? Go after a baby's parentage.

Does that sink into your little brain at all? It should, because it's true.

The public wouldn't care whether you are wrong or right. If you go after a baby's parentage without rock solid proof (or some, even WITH rock solid proof), YOU WILL LOSE. PERIOD. END OF STORY.

NO ONE VOTES FOR PEOPLE WHO GO AFTER BABIES. Capiche?

[JVS]

16. NONE OF US ARE OFFICIAL ORGANS OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY

Get it?

[marylanddem]

18. No one is going after the BABY. It's the lying grandmother

interested only in protecting her pathetic Republican image that I don't like.

[marylanddem]

15. You're absolutely right

I have NEVER seen so many self-righteous defenders of Republican right to privacy on DU. I just can't figure out why it bugs them so much for it to be discussed - unless they know it could be the karmic October surprise that bites their fucking hypocritical Republican party in the ass.

[JVS]

6. It's not worth arguing with them. They're determined to stifle conversation

Put them on ignore.

Come post on my thread where we want to explore how awful Palin is and how to spin it

And this is how to spin it if the kid is hers, and how to spin it if the kid isn't hers


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6847954

[Honeycombe8]

10. No one votes for people who go after babies. Sure way to sink to the bottom fast. nt

[JVS]

14. I'm no candidate. If you think anyone expects the candidates to talk about this you're really dumb.

It's about creating buzz

[Honeycombe8]

19. The buzz you will be creating is energetic empathy and sympathy for Palin.

I feel it already, and I HATED her about 1/2 hour ago. Imagine how swing voters will feel.

No one votes for people who go after babies.

[JVS]

21. "Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?... Because Janet Reno is her Father" -John McCain

Didn't seem to hurt him much

[Balderdash]

12. If the baby is her daughters

then her daughter carried her baby to term and the baby is being cared for by the family. Where is the evil in that? What the fuck are you people pursuing? What would the right find repulsive about that? If Sara Palin is protecting her child and supposed grandchild, where is the evil? Democrats and pro-choice people won't vote for her because of her rabid stance on reproductive issues. I think we hurt ourselves by attacking and or outing a woman who has made some family choices that are and should be her own.

[marylanddem]

20. Because SHE'S A FUCKING HYPOCRITE LIAR IF IT'S HERS,

I'm sorry for shouting but this high-minded Republican family values bullshit is really annoying.

[dysfunctional press]

30. how would you have it be determined if she's lying?

one point where th democrats should be able to make some hay- all the reports about palin choosing to keep 'her' baby, even tho it was diagnosed as down's syndrome- BUT- she wants to deny other women the same CHOICE that she was free to exercise. not all women would make the same CHOICE as she did- and there's nothing wrong with that.

back to the lying- short of someone involved coming forward, how would you have the 'inquiry'(for lack of a better word) move forward..?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

24. Uh, because if the baby is the daughter's

Then Sarah Palin deliberately concocted a fabricated ruse to falsify her own pregnancy while concealing her daughter's. That's fucking off-the-charts looney tunes. I'm inclined to believe the story isn't true, simply because I'd hate to think that a high elected official could be that batshit insane.

[trthnd4jstc]

27. Good Point!

Even if the circumstantial evidence is substantiated, We as Democrats must be better than the Republicans. We have to behave better, be more rational, be more honorable, and be more kind. Their party should be seen as the liars, and murderers party, not ours. Right?

[creeksneakers2]

22. I often complain about Internet waves

that could backfire, especially the ones about McCain's POW record. I don't think this is going beyond the net though. Its in nobody's interest to bring it up.

[jimlup]

23. I agree

And if we are true to our own ideals we won't care about this. We view reproductive matters as a person's choice. I don't think this is a public matter. I won't take part in the rumor mill other than to denounce it.

[YouCanCallMeJack]

25. Correct me if I'm wrong, but...

arent' there any of us in Alaska with investigative instincts? Surely if this is a cover-up, wouldn't we have exposed all this when it happened? Or were we so precognitive that we knew she would be nominated as the Repug VP months down the road and wisely decided to wait until now? For goodness sake, she is the Governor and arguably the most visible and recognized politician in Alaska. Somebody had to have noticed if she was never pregnant, yet still delivered a baby. This is an extremely high-risk area to argue, and it is not in our best interests. By no means am I defending Palin, but let's choose our battles wisely and get Obama elected, yes?

Before anyone says it, yes I am new here. Long time reader, but new to post. No I am not a blood-sucking troll. Feel free to attack on me, as I have seen a high percentage of "low-post count" posters get grilled by the more paranoid minority here. I can take it. You won't see me involved in any name-calling or sophomoric responses to any who oppose my ideals and opinions. I am fairly straightforward in my approach. Hi ALL!

[RazBerryBeret]

26. americans love this shit...

for some reason. the media will break it...it won't be associated with "dems"...anymore that the John Edwards story was blamed on Repubs....

it illuminates poor judgement any way you look at it.


I will follow it, it will probably be discussed by my coworkers, I say let it run it's course. . I'm not going to be able to stop it, and I won't stand up against it....remember "obama is a muslim"???