The Sarah Palin Baby Conspiracy Theory

[WeDidIt]

We have established one inexorable fact. IF the theories about Sarah Palin not being the mother of Trig Palin are true, there must be a conspiracy at foot.

This conspiracy will require the involvement at a minimum of the following:

Sarah Palin
Todd Palin
Bristol Palin
The Family physician
The attending physician if different from the family physician.
Any Obstetrician involved
Any nurses or aides attending the birth

Potential involvement in the conspiracy are the following:

Track Palin
Willow Palin
Piper Palin
REcords clerks of the hospital in Alaska where the birth took place.
Whomsoever the real father is.
The real father's family

Are we REALLY contemplating a coverup conspiracy this massive could be real? And if so, wouldn't someone along the line come out with the story at any moment? Wouldn't this mean big money for anybody involved, not to mention criminal charges for the fraud involved?

So we have established beyond a shadow of a doubnt that the baby thing is, in fact, a Conspiracy Theory.

I think it's pretty flimsy.

[Starry Messenger]

1. We need to work in the Illuminati.

And the DaVinci Code. Then it will have everything to be perfect.

MPK

[RichGirl]

10. When tough guy McCain...

...the guy who will protect us from terrorist and nuclear threats picks this women to be a heartbeat from the presidency....the idea of the Illuminati seems a little less laughable!

[Botany]

2. So the Baby Palin was conceived on the "grassy knoll?"

And the real father was Jack Abramoff who was working for Rove & the I.M.F.?

[Ernesto-Che-Guevara]

11. Abraham Zapruder heard shots coming from the grassy knoll

And so did many others.

Let's not pretend the JFK conspiracy theory is wild.

[Solomon]

3. Why haven't people considered the possibility that maybe

she really didn't want to have the baby? I know it's a horrible thing to say, but if you're a fundie and can't have an abortion, doing it this way would be acceptable because you could tell yourself that it's in "God's" hands.

[RichGirl]

14. I did consider that.

[avaistheone1]

24. It happens all the time.

Many people learn later in life the person they thought was their sister was their mother.

Some people never learn that.



Both Jack Nicholson and Bobby Darin did not learn until they were grown adults that was the case.

So if you want to call them conspiracies then do - but they happen all the time.

http://www.snopes.com/movies/actors/nicholson.asp

[seabeyond]

4. if she went to the little hospital in her little town like i hear, that late at night after being up

since 4 a.m. leaking and exhausting her body all this time, .... then yes. and even bigger problem

anyone know what hospital she had baby in

[crispini]

5. Pre-birth adoption agreement

A post originally by Princess Turandot:

If she and her husband adopted the baby, depending on the state law, it might well have been immediately considered theirs upon birth. Their names would go on the birth certificate, so the doctor could sign it in good faith. Revelation of any medical info on the birth mother or baby is a violation of federal law. It may also be a violation to reveal closed adoptions records. (That's a conjecture.)

I have no idea what happened here. But this scenario would make it all above board, which was my original doubt as well, that the OBG would sign a fraudulent bc application.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6831291&mesg_id=6832987

[RichGirl]

6. I'm one who would like to see this story passed on...

...on to the media and kept off this board...but...you don't have a good case here.

Your list of people is small and easy to manipulate. We already know she has commited an abuse of power...this would be small potatoes.

Alaska is big land wise, but small people wise and this kind of thing goes on in small towns all over the country. But those people weren't asked to be VP.

Even without the daughters involvement (and I wish we wouldn't involve her) everything about this spells IRRESPONSIBILITY!

I would like to know the advice her doctor gave her when she called him about her water breaking. If he didn't inform her of the huge risk she was taking, he needs to have his license revoked. If she didn't take his advice...that says everything about where her priorities are. She apparently made that long flight because she wanted her own doctor (does Texas not have great hospitals and great doctors, probably many more experts than Alaska). She's a governor, why couldn't her doctor fly to Texas...wouldn't that make more sense.

Is all this rumor??? I don't know...fact is often stranger than fiction.

[hexola]

7. Im floating the idea that they were BOTH pregnant...

And the older Ms Palin has a miscarriage - and adopts the daughters baby (which was had in secret)

This makes a lot more sense than the fake pregnancy stuff...

[Midlodemocrat]

23. I think that they had lined up adoptive parents for Trig

who backed out when they discovered that he would be a special needs baby. Which in itself is pretty funny, if this in fact the issue then Palin is even dumber than we think. There are lists YEARS long of people who WISH to adopt a baby with DS.

[Orangepeel]

31. then why would she have pretended to be pregnant?

:shrug:

[Clear Blue Sky]

8. We lose credibility barking up these kind of trees.

Besides, we champion womens' rights. To choose. To have ultimate control over their bodies?

We are very hypocritical second guessing her decisions on these issues. When her water broke, whether she flew, etc.

[LisaL]

12. I don't see any hypocrisy in this.

Since when exactly do we champion a pregnant woman's right to do anything she wants with her body?
This has nothing to do with Palin, but would you champion a pregnant woman's right to drink alcohol or use drugs? I sure as hell would not.

[Clear Blue Sky]

15. We may not champion the rights to drink while pregnant,

I don't see any effort to make it illegal. I think this whole issue is a red herring and does little to advance Obama over McCain.

[RichGirl]

16. Nobody is criticizing her decision...

Like Clinton, it's not about the sex....it's about the lying.

All of this could have easily happened. Small towns have more secrets than maple trees!

[ruggerson]

9. Evidently someone murdered you mid-word

most likely the Palin baby, upset that the truth was emerging.

[torbird]

18. Thank you

...an absurdity to end this absurd discussion. Is there anything to be gained from this story? Sensationalism for its own sake is not going to win any elections -- it certainly isn't swaying voters on Obama, despite the right's insistence that a bunch of tabloid garbage is more significant than his words and actions.

Palin is a weak candidate and offers plenty of ammunition to the Democrats. Right now, the best thing they can do is IGNORE her completely and let her hang herself (her convention speech ought to be one of the lamest doozies of our lifetimes!). Yes, she benefits from low expectations, and yes, she will get a little buzz right out of the (Barbie) box, but rest easy. Nobody is watching TV over the holiday weekend; there's a major disaster bearing down on GW Bush's big shame, New Orleans; and Palin has literally had 48 hours to start learning the years of knowledge she must have to survive the campaign! Just sit back and enjoy some schadenfreude, people!

[RagAss]

13. Yeh....and BO's a Muslim right?

Master the Illusion....That's how they win....

[Quixote1818]

17. Also, why would she say her water broke in Texas when she could have said it broke

when she got back to Alaska? If she wasn't pregnant she could come up with any time she wanted for her water to break.

[SheilaT]

21. She would have said that

because she got word the daughter was actually in labor. And the daughter was in Alaska, where the baby was obviously going to be born. And since first babies can take quite a while to arrive, rushing back home as she did makes a lot of sense. But that is if and only if the baby is the daughter's and not Sarah's. As long as she got back to the small hospital in Wasilla or wherever it was the baby was born not much later than the actual arrival of the baby, it was going to work.

Someone posted a link to an interview done with Gov Palin in Feb or March, in which the reporter walks with her and talks with her on camera from the Governor's residence to the state capital. She does not walk like a woman who is six or seven months pregnant. Yeah, we generally waddle by that point.

There are women who don't show much when they're pregnant. However, it is true that someone pregnant for the fifth time would generally show much sooner than someone pregnant for the first time. But some women do not like the weight gain of pregnancy and chose to restrict it as best they can. Someone here posted a note yesterday about someone they knew who only gained ten pounds and continued to run while pregnant. A low weight gain is very much not a good thing, however lots of women don't gain much weight while pregnant and most babies come out okay. The Down's Syndrome certainly has nothing to do with amount of weight gained.

[Quixote1818]

27. Thanks for clearing that up for me. nt

[Hepburn]

19. Health care providers, even if they KNEW FOR SURE, are...

...subject to rules of confidentiality. They could NEVER say a word.

So...it comes down to the Palin Family being involved and any possible father and his family.

[kristopher]

20. There is a simple way for the media to debunk this story.

On Feb 18 2008 Bristol caused a car accident with Joshua Moffet, age 19, of Wasella. It is in the public record, so we know of one independent witness that would undoubtedly remember seeing young Bristol. I'm reasonably sure he would remember if the other driver was pregnant or not.

In addition to this one confirmed contact, it seems inconceivable that others in a small town like this wouldn't have known if the daughter was pregnant. She might not have been in school, but I doubt if she was locked in a basement.

Given the interest in this campaign, it seems extremely improbable that if the rumor were true, it would not be exposed in the normal course of searching for a headline.



I'm not a subscriber to the GWSHRUB belief that the end justifies the means and what I saw here last night was appalling. As titillating as the story is and as damaging as even such a rumor might be, it involves what certainly seems to be a decent family. I think it should be dropped from DU by mandate until and unless there is some revelation that makes it more relevant than a rumor.

[NJmaverick]

22. In a small town setting, this is not that many people

in fact the only way I see the truth coming out, is if a news organization pays enough money to get someone to talk. If that doesn't happen, the fraud will be successful.

[Motown_Johnny]

25. All that dos not matter.. Force them to take the time to address it. Knock them off their talking

points and don't let them define her to the American Public

[woo me with science]

26. Sarah Palin has multiple personalities.

She is part of the intergenerational cult abuse of the Illuminati and MKULTRA. Both she and her daughters are breeders for the cult, and BOTH were made pregnant by George W. Bush and other members of Skull and Bones.

The other baby has been whisked away to Dick Cheney's compound for sexual abuse spin programming. Sarah Palin was the obvious pick for Vice Presidential Nominee, because she is already programmed into multiple personalities (the sex slave kitten, the gun expert, and the hockey mom) and thus is the perfect controllable Manchurian Candidate.

[gort]

28. If there is anything to this then the Nat Enquirer will suss it out

Until then can the mods please kill all these ridiculous threads, please?

It's beginning to sound like a bad parody of Chinatown:

"He's my brother, he's my son..."

Forget it, Atuk. It's Yukon-town.

[intheozone]

29. The father may not even know he is the father. Bristol may not have told him or she may not know

who the father is. Could be one of a few or more males. It certainly wouldn't be the first time the identity of the father wasn't confirmed or known.

[question everything]

30. Except, of course, that on DU flimsy reasons for a conspiracy is the norm

It is a shame. There are so many issues with which we can debate her. Instead, some here want us to go to the gutter with Karl Rove and company. Which, of course, will galvanize their "base" and... hello President McCain.

[Barack_America]

32. FYI, the family physician, attending physician and the OB-GYN were all the same person...

Palin's family doctor apparently delivered the baby in their community hospital.