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Median Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 01:16 AM
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Is This The Election That We Finally Recognize That Big Media Is NOT Being Manipulated By The GOP...
Edited on Wed Aug-27-08 01:23 AM by Median Democrat
Rather, we the American people are being manipulated by Big Media. In this journal entry, I explained the economic reasons why Big Media favors the Republicans:

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Median%20Democrat/33

Big Media is not stupid. They are not passively being mislead or manipulated by the GOP. Rather, Big Media's support for the GOP is carefully calculated and executed by Big Media to achieve the goals of Big Media and its sponsors. THIS IS THE STORY BIG MEDIA NEVER DISCUSSES. Instead, we are mislead with a bullshit focus on "liberal bias," which is designed to obscure the real truth.

What I wonder is whether after the Clinton years, the 2000, 2004, and finally this election, we recognize that the biased coverage that the Democrats receive is not due to some really clever strategy by the Republicans nor is it due to some poor strategy by the Democrats. Big Media keeps saying this, because this is what they want you to believe. However, if you have watched convention, no one is forcing CNN to track down PUMAs in a sea of Obama supporters. No one is forcing CNN to decide to conduct interviews of GOP politicians in the middle of a speech by Ed Rendell ripping John McCain a new one. No one is forcing the vast majority of convention coverage to be less on the issues or the speeches, but on Democratic disunity. Even before the convention, CNN was interrupting its interview of Janet Napolatino, the Governor of Arizona, by showing a clip of Biden criticizing Obama, then a full freely played clip of McCain's newest attack ad. Again, this is Wolf Blitzer, not some official GOP operative who is doing this.

Seriously, when you hear Romney repeat the talking points, they really come off pretty mechanically and they are not credible. In other words, the actual GOP hacks and commercials are not that credible. However, the real danger is Big Media essentially censoring the convenion by refusing to show the actual speeches or discuss the issues being raised during the convention. Why not a few minutes of substantive discussion of Obama's energy proposals? Instead, given its false veneer of neutrality, Big Media has more credibility than the participants, thus whem they tell the American public what to think, the American Public and DUers on this board tend to bite on such themes.

That is why all these critiques about the DNC's media strategy in prior years are full of shit, because they assume an unbiased media that will actually portray a message accurately. However, the fact of the matter is that Big Media is taking matters into its own hands, and actively trying to control what people think. Even if you have a great speech or a great message with red meat attacks, that does not stop CNN from simply muting the speech, and talking over the speaker. Of course, I am not mentioning, but needless to say, Fox is much worse.

The only real critiques that I think are helpful are those that do not begin with the false assumption that Big Media is unbiased. We like to dismiss Fox and CNN, but we need to stop being naive, and deal with the fact that they exist, and people listen to this propaganda for better or worse. With that in mind, how does the DNC deal with this?

I think Obama use of alternative media is a good step, as well as his unprecedented reliance on grassroots efforts. Still, the question remains whether it is simply too late to save our democracy. Will Big Media succeeds in its pursuit of the Election Trifecta: (1) Win one for McCain; (2) permanently weaken Obama; and (3) permanently weaken the Clintons.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 01:24 AM
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1. The two are not mutually exclusive.
It is very possible that the media is being manipulated by the GOP, and the public is being manipulated by the media.

Quite likely, in fact.
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 06:10 AM
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11. RIGHT ....
it is plain as day.

PLAIN AS DAY.

The media advances dual messaging - paint the republican party as the very best that america has to offer, the most patriotic, the most downhome, the most fiscally responsible. While painting the Ds as the pathetic scum that is against america at all costs.

I had my fill of CNN a couple years ago when they were in the process of bringing Glen Beck on as their prime time host, and one segment threw me over the edge - Blitzer doing YET ANOTHER interview with some R where he was completely dismissive of Ds and refered to the R as a "GOOD conservative" about a half dozen times.

I wandered over a bit last week when the olympic coverages had MSNBC off of news, and ended up watching a segment with Susan Malvo (sp) where she must have said Obama and problem in the same sentence a half dozen times during a segment.

This intent of this messaging is as clear as the messaging itself.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 01:25 AM
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2. Oh, I don't think we'll realize it ...

Not the lot of "us" anyway.

Big Media has always been about itself, has always been about profits. It has never been a mouthpiece of a party, per se. It has always been about managing its own power to do what it wants to do.

Why, I ask, do you think two groups of people, two polar opposite groups of people, can watch the same news report and come away with polar opposite interpretations of it. Why is there a perceived "liberal bias"? Why is there a perceived "conservative bias." The answer is that both groups are right. Both biases exist ... in different time slots or on different channels.

KO is our hero. O'Reilly is theirs. They both bring dollars to their employers. And the dollars are what counts to Big Media.

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Median Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 01:41 AM
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3. It Does Not Balance Out, You Are Pushing A False Neutrality
And KO and Rachel Maddow are the only liberal commentators on TV. Who else would you classify as "liberal"? On Fox, everyone is a conservative mouthpiece. On every other news program, the conservative viewpoint is balanced by a conservative/moderate DLC type. You mention KO. The Right Wing has an entire freakin network in Fox, and virtually everyone on CNN who range from conservative to moderate. Who are the liberal commetators on CNN?

Also, all advertising dollars are not equal. Most networks are reluctant to cover stories or issues that are hostile to corporations. Why? Because it may offend their sponsors or owners. For example, did NBC fail to do a story about a defective airplane engine made by NBC parent General Electric? Also, if you follow my link, you see an example of active corporate sponsor blacklisting of liberal programs.

So, it is no accident that Fox News can support an entire network of conservative programming, while there is no liberal equivalent. Because, who would sponsor a populist pro-consumer, pro-middle class news network? What about all those cute Capital One ads? Don't you think Capital One might pull its ads from a network that covered issues regarding to creditor abuse?

Also, what about the grand daddy of them all, media ownership. Where is the coverage of this issue?
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 01:54 AM
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4. I'm not saying it balances ...

For a number of years the "conservative" (and I use that term loosely) bias got more viewers. Fear got more viewers. The idea that Iraq had WMD was a Big Story and so got more viewers as people tuned in to see all the hype, 'cause the hype sold. The fact that the WMD in Iraq story was a lie was not a good "sell" story. WMD in Iraq that require an invasion was. Hell, I won't even claim I'm immune. I didn't have cable for years but subscribed again when I knew we were on the verge of invading Iraq. I lost my cookies and wanted to see what "the news" had to say.

There used to be this thing called "the news." You'd tune in at 11/10 at night and watch it and feel informed, and that's *why* you tuned in. Then came CNN, et al, and our standards changed, so we tuned into that, only some of us, including me, didn't. We tuned out and got our news elsewhere. Then came things like the Iraq War, and some of us tuned in again 'cause it was high entertainment, even if some of us didn't think of it like that. I didn't, but as time went on, I realized that's actually what it was. I was manipulated for the profit of Big Media. The CEOs of CNN, ABC, etc. didn't care about "the news." They cared about bringing in viewers. The War brought them a lot of viewers they hadn't had.

They were selling me a product.

I don't mean to suggest a strict dichotomy. The point is that some things sell. Right now, KO sells 'cause so many of us are so incredibly pissed off at the status quo. A few years ago, KO would not have sold and would never have had a voice at all for us to revere. But O'Reilly, Limbaugh, et al still sell too. They don't sell as much as they once did, but they're able to still ride on that wave that began long ago. If no one listened to Limbaugh, he would not be on the radio because radio won't broadcast something that doesn't bring it listeners, i.e. doesn't bring it opportunity for ad revenue. KO now brings in ad revenue. In years past he wouldn't have, not as much as he does at the moment anyway.

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 02:14 AM
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5. Doesn't explain Phil Donahue
The most watched show on MSNBC and they took him off the air because of his anti-war views. He was required to put more conservatives on than liberals. There was absolutely a bias based on politics.

What people miss is that there is also a definite mainstream voice for Democrats too, just not Democrats DU can hear. When a newspaper article says "some people say", most of DU believes there really isn't any "some people". Well there is, it's just that they're mainstream DC Democrats who don't think like any of us out here do. If a Democrat can get on the news in 5 minutes to trash another Democrat, they can get on the news to denounce the war. But they didn't. And they didn't because they chose not to, not because they couldn't.

The liberal leaning Democrat is the one who can't get an honest analysis of their time on the air. Certain Dem centrists can get on pretty much any time they want to.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 02:35 AM
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6. Oh, there are a lot of variables ...
Edited on Wed Aug-27-08 02:39 AM by RoyGBiv
I should probably re-think/re-write my original comment in this thread to include that. Donahue is the exception that proves the rule, imo. There was a political agenda behind his cancellation, but it was a part of a larger equation. He was singularly most watched at the time, but it was a time in which everything else together still outplayed him, and he threatened all the rest of it ... 'cause he was/is good, thoughtful. He put the lie to all the other programming.

It's sorta like this. Let's say I'm a company that sells 20 different kinds of jelly beans. One of those kinds sells more than all the others individually, but not collectively. That is, I may sell 1000 units of this kind of jelly bean, but the other 19 kinds combined sell 1900 units. The problem is that the one that sells 1000 units depresses sales of the other kinds. In fact, the other 19 kinds all really seem pale in comparison. If I could show that cutting out that one kind of jelly bean, I could increase the sales of all those other 19 kinds by a mere 60 units per kind, I would actually be increasing sales for the overall company.

Yeah, I know that seems silly, but that's marketing.

Bean counters.

If they make more money cutting out something than by keeping it, even if individually they make a lot of money from that thing, they'll do it.

The ascendancy of KO coincided with a time when cutting out that kind of voice entirely was not more profitable than giving it a specific sales channel.

Beyond that, though, yes, people have come into positions of power who push a political agenda for the sake of that agenda. Murdoch is one, but do note that his satellite networks do still offer more choices for liberal media that some of the alternatives, just not specific alternatives. He plays the averages just like every other head of a media company, even if he also pushes his own political opinions in the bulk of his media outlets.

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 03:15 AM
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7. They're supposed to be selling news
not jellybeans. If they refuse to sell one type of news because it diminshes the marketability of the overall product, then that proves the theory that it's biased. The executives made decisions to sell news lies.

Wasn't it Sumner Redstone who said it was absurd that a media business should have to advocate political views that would hurt the business?

I think Keith is on the air because more CEO's than we realize are terrified of a total economic collapse. You hear it more if you watch Canadian news once in a while.

It isn't the profitability of what the people "want", it's the profitability of what a particular political viewpoint will do for the bottom line. They know how powerful the media is, they wouldn't be major media executives if they didn't.

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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 05:35 AM
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9. KO himself has said Donahue's show wasn't canceled just for its anti-war views
but because its live audience made it much more expensive to produce than other shows without one.
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 05:58 AM
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10. I suspect that if it had made money for MSNBC, it would have stayed on.
It's hard to imagine a corporation passing up a chance to increase their profits. The things they do to achieve this may sometimes look conservative and may occasionally look liberal, but it's really all about one thing and one thing only: MORE MONEY.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 07:13 AM
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15. KO was misinformed on this topic. (nt)
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:46 AM
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18. Uh, I don't think so
And I don't think Donahue himself would agree. I've heard him mention in interviews about the memo going around about not wanting to be seen as the voice for anti-war people at a time when patriotism was up or something to that effect. I don't have the link on hand but Democracy Now! has an interview with him from the time the movie he made came out. It's in their archives. I have to go otherwise I'd try to find it.

Regards
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 01:44 PM
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22. Then start thinking. Read post #20, below.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 11:26 AM
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20. I'll trust Phil's word on it
and he was replaced by Savage for chrissake.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200410290004
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 08:11 AM
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17. Who are the liberal commetators on CNN? Well....
I would say there were 1.5 of them - chief of whom would be Jack Cafferty, who is as combative as KO, but is sadly only given brief air-time and is lost in a sea of wingnut filth. His commentaries rip the RW with a passion not seen anywhere else on that network. The 1/2 liberal person would be Roland Martin, who tends to go from left to center to left...back and forth.

In any case, Cafferty should have his own show, but I know that will never happen. I watched Lou Dobbs go from from reasoned to egotistical in a year.
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 03:26 AM
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8. Of course
Building Narratives instead of reporting news is the way ratings and revenue are made for them; they can manipulated however way it will maximize profit for them. But propaganda in a pinch by the conglomerates own own them has a big role in it, too; that's can't be denied.
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mojowork_n Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 06:36 AM
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12. It's not just Dem's, or progressives, VS R's, or neo-cons...
You're overlooking how completely sealed off Americans are from honest reporting of world news.

http://www.counterpunch.org/rhames08232008.html

The only part of the economy that's still thriving is the "defense" industry.

Any "news" that threatens the military cartel is off-limits.

The "Minister of Truth"/managing editor of our local paper actually "replied" to a reader's question about this. The guy wanted to know how come the paper devoted so much attention -- including front page coverage -- of a local sports team's willingness/hesitation to take back a former star player, while it mostly ignored some other stories.

His reply is revealing:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=186x26297

The paper was free to go into exhaustive detail about the talks between Packers' general manager Ted Thompson, and Brett Favre, but it'll never provide honest coverage of the "Russian invasion" of Georgia, or what was really going on there.

After all, the "surge" is "working."

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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 06:37 AM
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13. ...
:kick:
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 07:00 AM
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14. Well McClellen did say that the GOP did pass on propoganda to Fox but yeah it's share holders first>
Edited on Wed Aug-27-08 07:01 AM by barack the house
though. They work to make it close and maximise profits from advertising.
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Median Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:47 AM
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19. Its Not Just Ratings - The Networks Also Maximize Profits By Pleasing Their Sponsors
Edited on Wed Aug-27-08 09:47 AM by Median Democrat
In short, lets says a news network covers the credit crunch and the deceptive tactics of many credit card companies in a very well documented report. Lets say this generates ratings. My questions is regardless of the ratings, do you think Visa or Capital One, who are very big adverstisers, would care to sponsor such a program despite such ratings? The ABC blacklist memo shows how sponsors actively work to censor the news we receive. Thus, while there is an audience for a liberal viewpoint, it may not be profitable, particularly if it means taking on large corporate sponsors like Walmart or Capital One.
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mojowork_n Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 07:35 AM
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16. Video you'll never see on American TV
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3861240

Hugo Chavez released video of the relapsed Drunk-In-Chief, from the Olympics...
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mcg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 01:06 PM
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21. another video at youtube of Bush in Beijing
Edited on Wed Aug-27-08 01:10 PM by mcg
if you can stand the 'song' ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHPZBNuYPBo

The people around him have the classic look of enablers in denial.
"Let's pretend he's not drunk, but just a funny party guy."
You see the nervous smiles and the attempt to mask embarrassment.

I've seen some of these pictures on the web.
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