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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 08:08 PM
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MSNBC...McAuliffe biggest celebrity on the convention floor.
Edited on Tue Aug-26-08 08:52 PM by madfloridian
MSNBC...Matthews and Michelle Barnard.

Michelle gets plenty of time to explain that she met with the Just Say No Deal folks. She gets plenty of time to say that they have all over their website the delegate count that proves Hillary can become the nominee. She says they blame Dean because Hillary lost, that he favored Obama. She said it out loud on MSNBC, and no one corrected her or said a word.

I don't know the reporter who fawned over Terry McAuliffe. But he was flattered.

How did this turn into the Clinton convention? Oh, I know, the media did it.

I have seen new people here today posting about how they just heard how unfair the caucuses were? Accidental that is happening? No, I don't think so.

I get accused of being Anti-Clinton. That is not true. I just find it reprehensible that the former president and his wife questioned the fairness of the primary and the chairman. Now their supporters are questioning the fairness of the primary and the chairman. I believe I counted 3 posts in the last 24 hours questioning the fairness of the primary and the chairman.

It is not coincidental at all. I called it long ago. I said the FL and MI primaries would not allow us to heal unless the appropriate Democratic Party leaders spoke up and were honest.

So far, no one has.

I see that it is openly talked about on TV now, but I had a post locked when I posted that a Harvard professor and researcher said she could still win. Not that she would, but that she possibly could.

“It’s very, very possible (Clinton could get nominated). She has many votes,” said Elaine Kamarck, a member of the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee and a superdelegate who endorsed Clinton during the primary. She has since switched her support to Barack Obama . She teaches at Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government.

But, Kamarck, said, it’s impossible to speculate on whether it will happen because of all the inside negotiations going on between the Obama campaign and Clinton.

“I have to assume from past convention experience that it’s something the Obama campaign and Hillary Clinton’s people are talking about quite extensively. This is now in the realm of inside baseball. I just don’t know.”


A few reminders of how we got here. A few reminders of the emotional devastation left behind in my state.

First thing to remember. Howard Dean in an NPR interview said that "the two states made this latest public move while refusing to deal with the DNC."

FL and MI took it to the media and would not work with the DNC.

Another thing to remember. It was a Democrat who introduced the primary bill in Florida, and the Democrats voted for it. Only one Democrat voted no.

Jeremy Ring (D-FL) said "relevance is more important than "partying" in Denver.

And Jeremy Ring, a Democratic state senator from Broward County and co-sponsor of the legislation, defended it.

"If the choice is Florida is relevant and has no delegates versus being irrelevant and having delegates, I'd choose being relevant with no delegates," Ring said. "We did this so 18 million Floridians could take part in the presidential primaries, not so a few hundred people can go to a party in Denver."


They throw around the 18 million so casually. 18 million Floridians overall, not just Democrats.

The worst part of all. Why it angers me that this stuff continues, why it angers me for McAuliffe to be called the biggest celebrity on the floor....

What the former president said about the primaries and the DNC...and why it matters now.

Today, at the first of five campaign events in Kentucky, just days ahead of the May 20 primary here, the former president said the lack of attention to the unseated Michigan and Florida delegates was proof that the party and the political pundits are trying to force Democrats to get in line behind Obama.


Force them to get in line behind Obama?

More. His remarks about taking away the delegate votes because FL broke the rules.

....."What did the Democratic National Committee do? They obliterated them. Who cares if you wanted to get up there with these other states because you've been broken by this economic policy of the current administration. We're gonna show you who's boss. We are obliterating you from the face of the earth and pretending that your voters did not vote. You just have to know, that is the position of your national party. Nobody quarrels with their right to discipline them. They made a decision they did not have to make. And do you seriously believe, if the votes had been the other way, that they would have made the same decision?" Clinton asked a crowd in


The former president just accused the DNC and its chairman of cheating in the primaries.

He needs to apologize.

No, Terry McAuliffe is not the biggest celebrity. Michelle Barnard is wrong to meet with No Dealers. Chris and Keith are wrong to let her speak and not counter her remarks in some way.

You do not accuse the party chairman of throwing the primary without there being consequences. We are having to deal with those consequences right now.

Do I make you mad when I post how this all went down? That's ok, it makes me mad also. There is nothing wrong with being mad.

There is a whole lot wrong with accusing your own party of not being honest in the primaries.

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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 08:09 PM
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1. A legend in his own mind
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 08:17 PM
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2. All over the TV today.
The reporter on the floor actually called him that. And he loved it.
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 08:19 PM
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3. Throw the bum out
the quicker they toss him the less chance he can throw Obama under the bus.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 08:33 PM
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4. I just turned on TV for a few minutes and that is what I saw.
MSNBC giving credibility to those blaming Dean for cheating in the primary, and some lady declaring McAuliffe a celebrity. I should have left it off.
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peoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 08:39 PM
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5. The reporter, Savannah Guthrie, who I went to high school with..
said that because Terry McCaullife dissed her as she asked him to take a walk with her. One of Terrys thugs said they had to go do somehting and then Terry turned to Savannah and said he had to do something and walked off....

She then said, "well what can you do? Terry McCauliffe is a cleberty here on the convention floor." She was trying to recover from getting dissed live.

I would hardly call that fawning....
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 08:51 PM
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6. I did not see that part.
But it would explain it.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 08:54 PM
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7. I edited out a couple of words.
Since it was your friend. Since I missed the part before it, I did not change all of it.

That is about all I saw as I turned it off after that and after Matthews and Michelle Bernard.


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peoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 09:18 PM
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8. ok no big. I have to defend my friend though! Its quite amazing to see her there.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 09:19 PM
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9. I don't blame you.
I just caught the segment and then the Michelle Bernard bit.

Overload in about 5 minutes.

:hi:
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RollWithIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 09:20 PM
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10. Why are you watching MSNBC and not PBS or CSPAN???
MSNBC is choosing to run circle jerk political coverage. You'll feel so much better tonight if you just watch the actual speeches and ignore the BLAH BLAH BLAH of the major networks for the next two days.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 11:23 PM
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11. I had not been watching anything, just turned it on to see what was going on.
I watched Kennedy and Michelle Obama last night...did not watch much tonight.

I so seldom watch cable news anymore, I am stunned when I do.
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