WALT STARR ---- urgent ----

[grasswire]

Check your PM. A huge media contact wants to talk to you. I have the phone number and will PM it right now.

[Carni]

1. Kick

Is kicking helpful? LOL

[Spazito]

2. He posted a message that he was going to dinner with his wife...

we should keep this kicked until he gets back to see it!

[grasswire]

3. Ohgee

I hope he checks in.

This is the break we need on this story.

[Spazito]

7. He said he would check his thread when he got back so he should see

this but put your message on his thread too, just to make sure!

[Doosh]

4. ???

sorry for butting in, what's this about?

[LearnedHand]

9. WS did some DEEP investigation...

...about some bogus medals *ush was wearing in a photo. Turns out it's highly likely the chimpster DID NOT earn the medals he was wearing.

[Lex]

12. Doosh--Walt apparently substantiated

that there is a picture of Bush in his uniform back in the day where he's sporting some medals (ribbons, whatever) that he didn't earn.

There's a 275+ thread around here somewhere that he started yesterday on the topic.

That's all I know.

Hope he checks in soon with grasswire.

[Lex]

14. Link for the DU thread here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=654437&mesg_id=654437

[LearnedHand]

21. And another one, here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=675299

(here's the photo):

[merh]

24. Looking at the eyebrows of the chimp, do you think he plucked or

waxed? Or do eyebrows fall out naturally in some species?
But then again, if he is a reptile, they don't have eyebrows, so the eyebrows in this photo are artifical.

Just posting the questions to keep the thread kicked!

[Lex]

27. If you look at the picture long enough, his eyes follow you around

.
like a creepy portrait in a haunted house.

[LearnedHand]

29. He plucks only ...

... to break up the mono-brow. :evilgrin:

[Catherine Vincent]

39. I hate to admit, but chimpy looks good in that pic. What happened?

[Doosh]

19. thanks Lex & nm3damselfly

I do remember that thread but didn't really give it much thought at the time, damn would it be cool if that story grew legs!

It seems like something the mainstream media would drool over.

[LearnedHand]

5. Does anyone -- Will Pitt? -- have his cellphone number?

We've GOT TO get his story out in the mainstream medai!!!!

[brainshrub]

8. What's his story?

[Lex]

15. DU link here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=654437&mesg_id=654437

[madmax]

6. Paging Walt Starr

Please pick up the white courtesy phone in the lobby. That is all...

:kick:

[LearnedHand]

13. (har-har) Sounds a LOT like a line from one of my...

...favorite films (PeeWee Herman's Big Adventure)!

[KittyWampus]

31. Paging Mr. Herman! LOL! You Got There First

:D

[Zookeeper]

10. Kick. n/t

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

11. GW:

I think that as good as Walt's work has been, that it can only be buttressed and aided by these same people being exposed to the work of Paul Lukasiak.

FWIW: A former National Guard Adjutant General agrees with Lukasiak's conclusions, based upon the source materials on the AWOL site.

[grasswire]

38. do you have an email for Paul?

I've can't find it -- I had it somewhere on my desk <eyeroll>

[sub.theory]

16. KICK

KICK

Go get 'em Walt! Awesome work, mate.

[janx]

17. kick

[spanone]

18. LARGE KICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:bounce:

[annxburns]

20. Keep it kicked

[michigandem2]

22. I'd like to say walt...

that you did an EXTREMELY great job...and I am newer here and love DU...

I just think its great we have this resource and that we have people so willing to dig at the truth....AMAZING...I am so happy I found this place!

[LearnedHand]

23. Another kick!

n/t

[cthrumatrix]

25. kick for truth

[michigandem2]

26. KICK

[papau]

30. kick....

:-)

[juajen]

82. Walt is great!

:kick: :kick:

[Jacobin]

28. kick for Walt and his story

[DeminDC]

32. Walt---Great Work, but a Caveat

This story is a great way to hit back hard on this. Coming from someone who works on a campaign (candidate will remain nameless) and a student of politics, this is great work.

I do want to see the value of your effort maximized because this is an important issue and deserves to receive a lot of attention. If you do work today and tomorrow, what does that get us? Maybe you get an article in a Sunday paper that no one reads, and maybe the story goes away after that.

These are possibilities that should be considered.

What you have that the swifties do not is a photograph, and pictures speak louder than words. Using the picture, any competent press clown could discuss how * didn't earn these medals. If you could provide them with text from *'s Congressional race when he said that he was in the Air Force, you have a great bundle that has a rather convincing message. No hair splitting would be needed. This is something that has all appearances of fact, barring the possibility that the photo was originally Photoshopped. Having not read some of your posts on this topic, I won't go further with that line of thought because it looks like your research is thorough, and you will have undoubtedly looked into this.

So, the question remains when do we want this thing to run? Why don't we try and use it to keep the service issue in the news and drown out the RNC with talk of *'s lack of service and misrepresentation of this service? To accomplish this, I think your work would be most effective on Saturday night or Sunday morning. Get the tips planted and allow enough time for the media to do their background check. I assume they'd jump on the story, so it would be something they'd run with on Monday.

Anyway, just some thoughts. Good work and good luck...

[grasswire]

35. bundling is a good idea

Trust me -- the contact who wants to talk to Walt will know the significance and have all the resources. But for other media outlets, bundling is a good idea.

[DeminDC]

54. Kick for Walt... You're smoking them out and bringing 'em to justice...

Fair point... Should we just go Trippi on this and run with it despite tough odds of it having a major impact headed into the weekend?

I think it would behoove us to save it for a Monday story because it could cast doubt over the convention and give the media a story to run with while * tries to claim that he's an honest leader.

Anyway, this is Walt's baby, and I like his work so much here that I don't want it to be wasted by the media. Hopefully he'll get some feedback from media specialists and sympathetic minds in the media before running with it.

I'd avoid going down the 527 route... If Walt could pitch himself as a private citizen, then that would be highly effective.

[LearnedHand]

43. GREAT strategies, DiDC...

...and another KICK for Walt Starr.

(Walt, will you HURRY UP and eat, already?!)

[blm]

47. W's autobio A Charge to Keep: flew with my unit for the next few years.

A COMPLETE LIE.

[Carla in Ca]

80. *'s book

It is worst than that..it says
"for several more years"

[blm]

81. Thanks.

I didn't remember the exact quote, so I just paraphrased.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

57. There's some VERY sound advice there folks

I hope Walt reads this....

thanks DeminDC, thank you very much.

[DeminDC]

60. I hope so too

Let's keep this kicked... Walt has done a good job with "managing" the other threads and has been on top of rebuttals and so forth. I hope he'll check this one out.

[Kahuna]

72. And just in time for the convention....

:wow:

[girl gone mad]

98. Shameless plug..

I started a thread on this topic earlier today. My goal is to compile a thorough list of Bush's service record embellishments. I'm willing to write them all out, complete with referrences, etc. and then hopefully we can start getting it out to the media and accross the internet.

If anyone has information to add, please help. I'm LexisNexis deprived, so could really use some help with the research.

Here's the link again:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x676629

[michigandem2]

33. kick!

[Doosh]

34. kick!

[In Truth We Trust]

41. I would hope this comes to pass but.....

surely the big vietnam era story re: chickenshit is the fact that he has lied about HIS service or lack thereof. The media "biggie" should do due diligence if he/she is a journalist and highlight *'s desertion and broken promise to make all his Nat'l Guard record's open and fully available!

By the way, THANK YOU WALT for your diligent efforts!!!

[Catherine Vincent]

36. Cool!

[janx]

37. We need some JOE MENTUM here, Walt!

So I'll keep it kicked...

[Cheswick2.0]

76. You know there is no JoeMentum allowed

:hi:

[Spiffarino]

40. Kick!

:kick: Walt, you magnificent ba**ard! Your country needs you!

[Tansy_Gold]

42. Another kick

And by the way, a big thanks to Mrs. Walt for letting him google every night!

Mrs. Walt, :yourock: too!

[wicket]

44. KICK!

Come back soon Walt!!!! :kick:

[Walt Starr]

45. I just talked to him.

WOW!

[PA Democrat]

48. Anything you can tell us Walt?

This is exciting!

[michigandem2]

49. i've been staying awake to wait for you! LOL! nt

[Walt Starr]

52. Potential for big exposure

Tomorrow.

I need to talk to Skinner.

[Lex]

79. Whoa. That is just awesome. Go Walt Go! n/t

[Fleshdancer]

53. You're right...this is VERY exciting

I think I'm high off the energy in this place tonight. :D

[Spiffarino]

50. Yee-haw!!!

Can you tell us anything about it, yet?

Nice work, Walt!! :yourock:

[Walt Starr]

55. Not yet

But wait for it.

Yesterday I let Skinner know I was hours away from the final confirmation.

This morning I had it right before I left for work.

[HuskerDem]

61. You are my new hero

Can't wait to see it break BIG.

[cynatnite]

51. And?????

I'm dying here LOL

Cyn:)

[Walt Starr]

59. And I posted it at 6:50 PM Central time tonight

So wait for it. Once it breaks online, everybody can know!

[Tansy_Gold]

62. Posted it WHERE???????????????

Here on DU? Front page? Article????

[Walt Starr]

66. It's the new thread about the ribbon

I found out from the Air Force History Support Office that George Bush's Guard unit was awarded the AFOUA for the time period of October 1, 1973 to September 30, 1975.

Bush was discharged October 1, 1973.

There is no way Bush could have legitimately worn the ribbon while in uniform because of the dates.

Ergo, he wore a ribbon he did not earn.

[jackstraw45]

69. So...doesn't this show that Bush was eligible?

I mean, technically, wasn't there part of October 1, 1973 where he WAS part of the unit? Wouldn't that few hours mean he was part of the unit during that period?

I'm confused.

[Spazito]

74. The picture with him wearing the ribbon was taken BEFORE...

the unit was awarded the ribbon if, as noted on the picture, bush was a 2nd lieutenant because he became a 1st lieutenant before the ribbon was awarded to the unit. From what Walt has written, the ribbon is not actually given out till the period of time covered is complete which would make that in 1975 not 73.

[HuskerDem]

56. WHAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????????

Must we wallow in agony? Can't you tell us anything???????????

please?

[Walt Starr]

67. I'm sorry. Suffice it to say this is a major media person

I'll let you know tomorrow, or hopefully most likely, you'll know anyway because links to the story will be all over DU.

[michigandem2]

68. EXCELLENT Walt....I can't wait...GOOD FOR YOU!!!!

[wicket]

83. YAY!!!!

This is awesome!!! :yourock:

[renotyme]

46. kick

kick, kick

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

58. WALT!!

You there? Be sure to read DeminDC's advice above to "bundle" this for Monday!!!! It will be ignored if released too soon! (Weekend.)

This is great Walt, I can say I knew you when.....LOL!

[DeminDC]

65. Walt---

I am going to be logging off and will only be on sporadically until Saturday night, at which time I'll be around 24/7. In the meantime, please take what I say on board and I'll try and keep up with the discussion.

Great work!

[Bongo Prophet]

73. Yes. Cut it into baby bites for TVmedia.

And bundled and explained and...damn what work has to be done for lazy rich F*cks in cable media. If this IS cable. If press, it is simple enough for many.

But the most important thing to bundle in is CONTEXT and THEME.
Fraud. Liar.
A long history of FRAUD and DECEIPT.
this is just ONE more in a LONG line.

THAT is what I would like to see accomplished with this.
"Why is this important? Aren't people TIRED of smears and what happened 30 yrs ago?"
"No, Ms. Norville, you #^%*. It is another example in a long history of...."
Lather Rinse Repeat

Walt is in my Hero file.
so is Paul Lukasiak, from way back in TTalk forum, 2000. Wow.
What a long sad trip...is that light at end of tunnel or a train?
I have to believe it is light.
(But prepared to jump.)
:hippie:

[grasswire]

63. clarification?

Walt, you talked to the contact whose number I PMd to you?

Yes?

[Walt Starr]

71. I called, he wasn't available. I left my number

Then he called me.

:D

WOW!

[grasswire]

75. very cool

We owe a big thanks to that intermediary, too.

This is our new stovepipe. I believe it's working.

[eleny]

77. Fantastic!

Congratulations on a job well done. So proud of your diligence!

[janx]

85. DFA

all the way!

:hug:

[mzmolly]

87. Hint!!! Damn U!

:P

[Scorpious_Maximus]

88. Thank You Walt.

Sincerely, well done.

- jb

:toast:

[Renew Deal]

64. I called it into Newsday.

[unfrigginreal]

70. Once again, Great Job Fella!

We're all proud of you.

:yourock:

[in_cog_ni_to]

78. How am I supposed to sleep now?

I'm so excited! I'm so proud of you Walt! :bounce:

[NightOwwl]

84. OhMyGodOhMyGodOhMyGod!!!

I don't want to miss anything!

Should I stay home from work tomorrow?

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[EST]

86. Anybody wanna nominate Walt for director of the FBI?

n/t

[oldtime dfl_er]

89. great work!

I've been following this story all day, and wow it's great! Thanks Walt! Now somebody tell me when and where I should start looking for this story to break nationally? Should I stay here or go to the Chic Trib or or.....??

[Bozita]

90. Nominations unnecessary -- Diebold voting machines ...

... anticipate everybody's wishes.

[vetwife]

91. Again Congratulations Walt !

[AgadorSparticus]

92. EXCELLENT!!! i'm keeping my fingers crossed that this will

get mainstream media traction. GO WALT GO!!!! did you contact the kerry camp too? i hope they know about this.

[gcomeau]

93. There's a lesson to be learned here.

It's all well and good to spread around every little tidbit and factoid of information that pops up on Bush in bits and pieces, but it would be much more effective if some actual projects got put in the works. Since the media apparently can't be bothered to investigate these things for themselves, someone needs to do it for them.

What would be great is if some people would pick some specific topic, say, questions about Bush's activities at Harken. Or why Bush's guard application doesn't disclose one of his college arrests (at least I haven't seen it, two different "prior arrests" disclosure sections only mention the Christmas wreath incident of 66, nothing about the football game disorderly conduct arrest anywhere I've seen, and I've been rummaging around in those records quite a bit). Or how and why *exactly* Bush's driver's license number got changed ("security reasons" my behind).

And then start digging. Relentlessly. Compile the absolute most solid, ironclad case of misconduct that can possibly be constructed from every available information source. Take a week. Take a month. The media won't do it anymore so someone has to. Don't just build the positive case either, anticipate any possible objection and cut it off before it gets off the ground.

Then when everything is all put together, tie a nice little bow around it, submit it to your fellow DUers, and everyone ship it off to every news contact out there so they can regurgitate it. It's what they're good at these days.

If a bunch of different posters were of a mind they could even gang up and form project committees.

Just a thought. I've had a project of my own in the works for a while now but it's more of a "history of Bush" thing covering most of his life's exploits... so it's limited in how in depth it can get on any single point and still be readable by a wide audience. (I'm already stretching things with all the info I'm including about his activities in 72.)

Nice job Walt.

-Grant

[grasswire]

96. absolutely

I've often wished we had a research forum and the capability to password some threads where research was taking place.

We're developing this stovepipe process. Four years ago, we couldn't do this. The blogs weren't there; the alternative media didn't have the clout.

I'll throw heart and soul into moving solid info to the American people.

[KBlagburn]

94. kick

:kick:

[LibertyorDeath]

95. My best guess....

Chris Mathews Hardball

or someone from 60 Minutes

Great Work WALT !

[grasswire]

97. none of those...

...but keep positive thoughts!

[HuskerDem]

99. Can somebody tell us yet?

Or give us a hint? At least a network or media format?


PLEASE ??????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????