Chicken-hawks fund the chicken-shit Swift-Liars who are mean, little men.

[DemoTex]

They are totally discredited, yet they keep it up. Pat Buchanan, on "Hardball," could do nothing but sputter when Tweety confronted him with the tape evidence of John O'Neill boasting to Nixon (Buchannan's former boss) that he had been in Cambodia.

The fact is, we were in Cambodia and Laos and had been for quite a while. The Swift Boats and PBRs (Patrol Boats Riverine) were part of the interdiction campaign against the Ho Chi Mihn Trail and Cambodia's Sihanouk Trail. Both trails had a nexus near Kerry's AO (area of operations). There, both trails relied on waterway traffic. Had to ... too much water.

I had Army helo pilot friends who flew in Cambodia in 1968. The "Parrot's Beak" AO is a case in point.

For those who missed it last night, I will repeat the e-mail comment of a good friend of mine - a retired US Naval Reserve admiral - who flew maritime P-3s (either VP-1 or VP-7, they rotated) in Vietnam (NAF Cam Rahn Bay, where I was flying SP-2Es) - and who was a classmate of John O'Neill at the US Naval Academy (Canoe U) at Annapolis, MD. He said:

"The worst insult is that the leader of the pack is one of my classmates from canoe U....John O'Neill.....the shame, the shame. It's hard to get medals when you don't officially exist. Laos!!! We don't do no stinkin' Laos!!"

The comment about Laos was from Admiral X's deep respect for what my unit did, nightly deep penetrations into Laos and, occasionally, Cambodia. Been there often. Just like Kerry. We could not get any medals for our actions in Laos and Cambodia, since our presence there was illegal.

The truth is that they hate Kerry for his anti-war stance. Some hate me too. I joined VVAW in 1972, when I was released from active duty. I preached, basically, the same sermon that JK did. Not nearly as eloquently or influentially, but a war protest never-the-less!

Mac

[Ghetto_Boy]

1. after reading your post I just realized....."BUSH SUCKS"

[DemoTex]

3. So does my gut, tonight.

My gut literally sucks. I have a bad, metallic taste in my mouth, my asshole is extremely puckered, my skull feels hollow, and my skin tingles. It is either a fatal disease or my bad reaction to the Swift-Liars. I think it is the latter.

[janx]

11. ...

:hug:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. I Hope You Liked It Here...

nt

[snippy]

2. They also seem to support Lt. Calley and what happened at My Lai. n/t

[DemoTex]

8. Good point, Snippy

However, some did not so much support Calley as they decried the prosecution of the guy. Now the heros of My Lai are rewarded. Seymour Hersch has the Pulitzer Prize. Reviled - like Kerry - and now honored, three Army men, Hugh Thompson, Lawrence Colburn and Glenn Andreotta (Andreotta was KIA a few weeks later, RIP dear brother) intervened in the My Lai massacre. Thompson landed his helicopter on the dike and challenged the soldiers of William Calley to cease their massacre. Little is said, however, of Maj. Colin Powell's part in the cover-up of this tragic element of our involvement in Vietnam. Kind of like the cover-up of the Abu Ghraib prison. They get the pass.

[janx]

4. Can you explain something to me? I'm 46 years old.

I was in my early to mid-teens then, but even I could distinguish between support for the military and support for the horrible mistake that was the Viet Nam war.

My parents, moderates who voted Republican for the most part, knew that the war was a tragedy. Yet they gladly bought me an MIA bracelet, which I had for a long time.

So I cannot figure out why people have such a hard time understanding the difference between support for flawed U.S. policy and support for the military.

It's ironic that we face the same situation today.

Do you have any idea as to why or how this happens? How could the "swift boat veterans for truth" miss this? Or is there something else involved here?

[Cha]

5. I heard on c-span's Hotline this morning that

a swiftie boater(Art French) in Oregon who is an ADA has been asked to be disbarred by fellow lawyers because he swore in a Affidavit from only hearing about Kerry from second hand news..

[janx]

10. The "swift boat vets for truth" effort is now so convoluted

and dependent upon hearsay that it makes me sick. Tweety was right: why not just throw some rumor out about Kerry's sexuality or something? They could make up anything. It has gotten that ridiculous.

[trogdor]

6. They hate Kerry because he broke omerta.

People like John O'Neill regard the military as their own version of the Mafia. Kerry spilled the beans, so he had to be taken care of. Problem is, you can't just shoot him in the back of the head like on The Sopranos, so you assassinate his character instead. Fucking assholes.

[DemoTex]

9. Who can check O'Neill's class standing at Annapolis?

I'm guessing class of 64 or 65 (maybe 63). Where did this dumb fuck graduate in his class? I'm working on it too. Also: arrest records. Call your LE friends. Run down the rap sheet on this lying bastard. He has to have at least a DUI!.