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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 09:03 AM
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UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL
Inscribe this quote to your heart for united we will stand but divided we will have another 4 years of McSame.


Republicans are doing everything in their power to keep us divided and the longer they can keep the message that there is disunity within the democratic party, the more doubt they can cast on independent and undecided voters. Everytime on MSNBC when one of them would bring up the 'division in the party' I would just cringe at how these people are trying to sell us the republican tactics of how to defeat the democrats. God bless Keith and Rachel who kept pointing out that obvious fact and even Keith who said "Can we finally put this to rest, Clinton is on board" but you know this will be an issue up until election day.

Back in 1988 I watched a keynote address speaker of an unheard of governor from a small southern state stand on the podium and address the DNC convention. I didn't know who Bill Clinton was but damnit, I knew Bill Clinton was someone who would be a bright shining star within our party. And when Bill ran for president in 1992, I signed up immediately and campaigned with such vigor for a man who 'believed in a place called Hope' I remember a few nights before the election driving by myself all the way over to the Garden State Race Track where Bill & Al were going to be hosting a rally to get out the vote. I remember crying for joy when I thought 'This will be our president, this will be the change we need after 12 years of Reagan/Bush policies'. And I campaigned my ass off in Doylestown, PA - I was up for 36 hours straight with perhaps a short hour nap. I worked the Buck Co Dem HQ, I drove around and put campaign signs up everywhere, I worked polls at several different places and I even organized the after party next door for all the workers. It was a joyous night of celebration and I remember when myself and another girl walked into the Republican HQ over in the fancier building 2 blocks over. We tried to hold back our snickers watching all these republicans sulk and moan.

Back then I was a young, idealistic gal who believed in a brighter future with Bill Clinton. Sure, it wasn't the happiest of 8 years; there was plenty of disappointment for sure. But I would have been just as happy to campaign again for Clinton if he could run again in 2000 but I started with Bill Bradley and ended up campaigning for Al Gore with the same enthusiasm (although at least this time I was smart enough to get some sleep).

Bill Clinton is a very important part of my personal history and no matter what anyone will say about this election or his past policies - I will have nothing but the absolute adoration for the man. And along with that respect, I have much of the same for his wife Hillary too.

But back in 2004, I heard a keynote address speaker who was an unknown state senator from Chicago speak to the DNC convention. I didn't know who Barack Obama was but damnit, I knew that Barack Obama was someone who would be a bright shining star within our party. And when Barack ran for president in 2008, I did not sign up immediately - I mean geez, he was running against my hometown guy Joe Biden. But eventually he won me over with and got me excited to campaign with such vigor for a man who made me believe in 'Change we can believe in'. I may not be that idealistic, young girl back in 1992 who spent all her free time at the Bucks County HQ but I still have a sense of empowerment that I can be part of something bigger than can help turn this country around.

Bill & Hillary Clinton will always be a very important part of not only my history but the democratic party history and the history of our great country. Perhaps one day Hillary will be running again, but today she is not but that great keynote address speaker from 2004 that won our hearts - Barack Obama. We need to all put the Clintons into perspective - this is not their convention, this is not their race and as far as I can tell they (meaning Bill & Hillary) are 100% behind Barack Obama. I'm tired of trying to read something into little nothings and I'm tired of the republican party trying to divide our country. Because the only way we can truly lose this election is if we don't stand united together. And although my 15 minute spiel won't change the closed hearts of a voter who won't see beyond one very exciting primary season, I'm hoping that for the rest of you it will be the inspiration to say 'Yes, let's stop worrying about the Clintons and lets get Obama elected'

UNITED WE STAND BUT DIVIDED WE WILL FALL
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 09:08 AM
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1. Beautiful post...
"UNITED WE STAND BUT DIVIDED WE WILL FALL" - that says it all.

Every single flame post against the Clintons should be locked.

Thanks for posting.

:kick:
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 09:44 AM
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11. i agree but would include every flame posts against obama
Edited on Tue Aug-26-08 09:44 AM by mkultra
The PUMA way seems to be to come in and pretend to be a Hillary supporter and slam Obama or the Democratic party.
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 09:54 AM
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14. absolutely.....
these type of posts are intended to divide our party.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 11:05 AM
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15. yes, and to be fair
I also think they have recently start coming in as "Outraged Obama supporters" and bashing clinton.

I think the only think we should be slamming at this point is McCain.

I must make a couple of exceptions, if any delegate or politician comes on the air and slams one or the other, they shoudl be nailed to the wall. Right now is not the time for division, especially from our "leaders"
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 09:08 AM
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2. Do we have to unite with AT&T. ? And looking back on the
Clinton years, I just miss them terribly. Now, I have to ask why the Dems would even vote for a Rep.? Come on!!!!!
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 09:12 AM
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3. Maybe they weren't democrat to begin with?
We had alot of open primaries this past season and once McCain was clear it meant that these folks didn't have a whole lot to vote for and therefore crossed over and voted democrat. Hillary would do suprisingly well in states with open-primaries.

That's not Hillary to blame but I think that the true democrats out there regardless of who they supported in the primaries will be behind Obama all the way.
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 09:40 AM
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6. Lynne, I think both Obama and Clinton won some open and some closed primaries.
Edited on Tue Aug-26-08 09:41 AM by highplainsdem
Obama had a lot of independent and Republican support in the primaries, and there's no way to know at this point how many of those people would finally vote for him in he GE.

The polls do tend to show Democrats less united than Republicans.

I don't have a complete list of which states had open primaries or closed primaries, and who won each one.

I was googling this just now, though, and turned up a NY Sun op-ed piece from May 21

http://www.nysun.com/opinion/clintons-claim/76800/

near the end of the primary race, that said this:

In addition, closed primaries which only allow registered Democrats to vote have, except for Illinois, voted for Mrs. Clinton. Mr. Obama has tended to win states that allow independents and Republicans to vote for the Democratic nominee.



Again, I don't know if that's entirely accurate since I haven't found a list to compare it to and don't have time to look up all the primaries separately to see whether they were open or closed.

But Clinton did VERY well in states with closed primaries. And Obama's votes included people who weren't Democrats.

So there's no way to know at this point how many people who'd supported Obama in the primaries would be saying they wouldn't vote for the Democratic ticket if Clinton were the nominee instead. We had entirely too many people here at DU saying the same thing, Obama supporters who said they'd never vote for the ticket if Clinton were the nominee (and some saying they wouldn't vote for it even with Obama the nominee if Clinton were on the ticket -- talk about irrational spite), for me to believe that simply because those voters aren't willing to vote for Obama at this point, they were never Democrats. And for that matter, many Obama supporters here have argued that he could never have had Clinton on the ticket because even if she could help unite the party behind him, he'd cost her too many indepenent and Republican votes he might get otherwise. (The polls don't support that argument, but they made it anyway.)

I don't think it helps to suggest that most of those Clinton supporters now considering either staying home or voting for McCain weren't really Democrats. They were most likely centrist Democrats (I can't imagine progressives voting for McCain), but they're Democrats unhappy with our nominee, and I'm still wishing we had a unity ticket to get more of them back on board. Today's Rasmussen poll suggests Biden isn't helping with that.

So I'm crossing my fingers and hoping Obama can win their support between now and November. I don't want to see us lose this election. Especially since we should have been looking at a fairly certain victory with the party united. This was one year a unity ticket would have helped more than ever, though.

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 09:42 AM
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8. Nice job. This really fits here.
You totally get the point.

Totally.
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 12:56 PM
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17. Sigh. Look, we need unity no matter which candidate won more open or closed primaries.
I just don't think it helps unity to suggest that much of Clinton's support was due to Operation Chaos. That's very insulting to her and will bother former Clinton supporters. At a time when we need unity.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 01:34 PM
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19. Except nobody made that suggestion.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 09:42 AM
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9. But what does any of this matter
I hate to buy into Oxyrush's "Operation Chaos" but it still is in play - dividing the democrats in order to make independants & undecided voters question the democratic party.

So ultimately and not with just your post but even with mine - let's just not even give a fuck about this anymore. It is dividing our party
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 09:13 AM
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4. Beautifully stated, LynneSin!
I remember the excitement of Clinton's campaign too.

Like you, I hadn't heard of Bill before he ran for president.

The dividers are doing everything they can to splitter the votes
and doom our party to failure.

I ain't going for it-

THERE'S TOO DAMN MUCH AT STAKE HERE!!

Thanks so much for posting this.

:)
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 09:17 AM
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5. K & R. Great post!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 09:41 AM
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7. "united we will stand but divided we will have another 4 years of McSame"
Can I use that as my sig?
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 09:43 AM
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10. I think I am!!
Thanks for putting the thought into my brain!!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 09:45 AM
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12. Hahah what? YOU said that!
:P

:D
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 09:48 AM
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13. I did didn't I
wow, every once in awhile I come up with a good quote even if I punctuate like shit.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 11:07 AM
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16. Wow it's funny how eager some people are to re-hash divisive shit in here right now.
:kick:
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 12:59 PM
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18. very good post lynnesin
yes, we have a country to save, our own.
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