Did Hillary Clinton really need to add this to her statement on releasing her delegates?

[flpoljunkie]

"I will be telling my delegates that I will vote for Barack Obama. How they vote is a more personal decision. They want to have their chance to vote for me. That is what traditionally happens ... some people are having to make up their minds because there are arguments pulling them both ways," - Hillary Rodham Clinton, preparing for 2012.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/08/quote-for-th-23.html

[bidenista]

1. OMG IT'S A CONSPIRACY

If they want to vote for her, let them. It's not going to change the result.

[jezebel]

You'll get slammed for this but I am sick of having to pretend the Clintons aren't playing cagey

trying to say the right things but just not that strongly.

[Growler]

24. agreed

[Jakes Progress]

40. Not on DU you won't.

Stir it up. Stir it up. More Drama. More Drama. See if you can find an MSM camera to groan to. They will just love it.

[Erin Elizabeth]

66. Agreed. Completely.

[Cha]

68. I don't tiptoe around the clintons...

I just can't wait until she gets back in the Senate with her "as far as I know" attitude.

[Beacool]

89. And I'm sick to death of the Clinton bashing on this board.

:shrug:

[polichick]

2. Anyone who doesn't think she's running for 2012 is living in a fantasy world.

[Hieronymus]

7. You bet she's running for 2012, and saying "just enough".

[mkultra]

16. 2012 might be the year i get TSed

[KansasVoter]

57. I will also!!!

[Flying Dream Blues]

58. No you won't, because Obama will be running for re-election.

Right? :)

[GoesTo11]

77. This year was her best chance

She might give it a try again in 2016 or 2012 if the worst happens. But it won't be like Reagan getting stronger from one election to a later one. Her momentum is less likely to grow than to decrease as the Clinton presidency recedes into history.

[madaboutharry]

3. Hillary is a drama queen, just like Bill.

I am sick of them both.

[Metric System]

4. And the Usual Suspects gather...

[jezebel]

6. just how long are reasonable people supposed to ignore that if it looks like a duck its a duck

the Clintons are playing for 2012

[flamingdem]

9. ... yup, they are deluded I'm afraid nt

[ronnykmarshall]

53. Reasonable people?

In here?

HA!

[Erin Elizabeth]

67. QUACK!

Yep. It's a duck.

[blm]

29. And the Usual Suspects flunk reading comprehension.

Even when it is as plain as day.....just to stay loyal to those who are loyal to no other Democrat.

[emilyg]

31. Yep. Quite amusing.

[Jakes Progress]

43. Trolls gotta work too.

[ronnykmarshall]

51. Like a bunch of chickens ....

Scratching on the ground clucking, clucking, clucking .......

[JVS]

61. You call them the "Usual Suspects", but in reality they are...

TEH AWESOMES CLUB!

[HCE SuiGeneris]

75. Yep. Here you are with the exact same comment you always post...

:eyes:

[Occam Bandage]

5. CLINTOOOOONS!

[Catherine Vincent]

22. LOL!

[CakeGrrl]

8. Good gawd, she and Bill just cannot put themselves into this "support the nominee" thing, can they?

Sorry, but she just cannot stop blowing the dogwhistle.

Translation: 'I guess I'll vote for Obama, but my poor pressured supporters might just want to vote for me anyway, and I'm not going to urge them any differently. Screw unity.'

:grr:

[monmouth]

10. She doesn't have a prayer in 2012 either...n/t

[Name removed]

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[RaleighNCDUer]

17. Actually, the Salem witches were all hanged.

You're thinking, maybe, of the Inquisition.

[MercutioATC]

26. Maybe we could build a bridge out of her...

[jesus_of_suburbia]

35. She's trying. Some just don't want to believe it.

[MercutioATC]

39. Sorry, it was a Monty Python reference...

...seems nobody got it...

:(

[RaleighNCDUer]

42. I got it - I just couldn't come up with a proper response

something to do with the weight of a duck.

I've been sleep deprived lately, and not too coherent.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

60. I'm sorry because I thought it was something about unity...

I thought you were saying bitter Clinton supporters AND bitter Obama supporters should build a bridge to elect Obama.


Were you putting down Hillary?

[MercutioATC]

63. No, I was using the "witch" comment to reference a piece of cult cinema.

When I insult Clinton, I do it openly.

[Bright Eyes]

70. Well, she turned me into a newt!

I got better though.

[MercutioATC]

71. That's the spirit!

:thumbsup:

[hisownpetard]

36. yeah - to nowhere.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

34. Biology was my major... even though I loved history.

Obviously I should have taken more history courses :-)


Thanks for the lesson.

Didn't they drown some too?

[ieoeja]

38. A biology major who doesn't know the difference between drowning and burning?

:evilgrin:

Sorry. But this joke was just begging to be said.

[LisaM]

41. Beat me to it!

I am constantly correcting people on that, though I think we have to blame Arthur Miller somewhat for naming his play, "The Crucible".

[catgirl]

12. Of course she had to include that

She can't help herself. Grrr.

[Radical Activist]

13. Dennis Kucinich did the same thing last time.

Hillary should be ignored just as much as he was.

[polmaven]

46. But his name isn't

.....sorry.....WARNING! I'M GOING TO SAY THE NAME.....Clinton.

[Radical Activist]

47. That's right. And if Hillary's last name wasn't Clinton

she would have been written off and ignored when it was clear she was going to lose, long before she dropped out, just like Kucinich was.

[cliffordu]

80. HEY!!!

Don't bring the truth in to this "discussion," you'll fuck up the flow.

[bunnies]

14. It sucks that we cant have a convention thats actually about our NOMINEE.

Sadly... we're stuck with what was expected. Days of Clinton related drama.

[SeaLyons]

91. I assume your comment is directed at Barack..

since I'm sure he is the one that approved the agenda, speakers, schedules, etc.

:nuke:

[Sulawesi]

15. regardless of who this post attracts, the OP makes a valid point.

[DefenseLawyer]

18. Of course she didn't NEED to add it

but she did. Of course coming to a conclusion as to why she would do that is a more personal decision.

[KingFlorez]

19. What more do you want?

The point is, she can ask them to vote a certain way, but she can't force them. She put that in the statement because nitpickers would try and accuse her of telling delegates to vote for her, she had to clearly absolve herself. Get over it and cut the dramatics.

[polmaven]

48. Tsk....

Logic....Is that all ya got is LOGIC? Tsk.

[RaleighNCDUer]

73. The point being, she did NOT ask them to vote a certain way.

She did NOT say "I will be voting for Senator Obama, and I encourage all my loyal subj...er, followers to do the same."

Instead, she says "Ya'll do whatever you want (wink, wink)."

[Catherine Vincent]

20. Yes. nt

[Iwillnevergiveup]

21. "My delegates?"

That in itself is pretty offensive. Lord God almighty, I'm so sick of both Clintons. Teddy Kennedy bravely showing up at the convention might take some of the wind out of their sails. Here's hoping.:kick:

[polmaven]

49. Whose delegates SHOULD she

release? These are people who were chosen to attend the convention as delegates pledged to her. Grow Up.

[Metric System]

59. Would that be the same Kennedy who challenged a sitting Dem President and took it all the way to the

convention, and then refused to shake the hand of said President even after he lost?

[DeschutesRiver]

65. This is and always has been all about the Clintons amibition

Nothing the Clintons have ever done is about either voters, individuals, the nation or anything other than the Clintons.

They don't give a flying fig about anything other than themselves. Period. Never have, just put on a good show that makes people buy what they are selling. It has been that way from their first moments on the political scene years ago, and not to say that some good didn't come out of the whole dynasty - mostly whenever they were in a bind, and needed to generate some goodwill fast. But still, there were very good moments.

But with this defeat, their self-concern and complete disregard of what it means to be a democrat, or to think of your nation's best interests before your own is right in our faces. More than anytime prior.

Clintons can do whatever they want - hey, go run a business like Billy is. But neither has what it takes to be a good politician and representative of the greater nation. You got to put some of this selfishness and arrogance aside to do that. Not require that people spend the first day of the convention pulling you screaming off a ledge.

Teddy Kennedy - now there is a democrat in his heart and a great statesman. Hoping hard that he can have a great moment at the Convention (I'd hear reports that he wasn't having such a good day today healthwise, as he'd hoped). Go Teddy.

[Honu one]

23. All I need from Hillary is, "I appreciate your support, ......

but I took myself out of this race long ago. My campaign is disbanded and I now fully support Barack Obama. For the sake of this country, I urge you to join me."

How hard is that?

Until I hear her tell her supporters she is no longer running, I will look at her and Bill's support statements with skepticism.

[goclark]

30. Ditto

[yourguide]

25. If hillary were on DU she would be TSed for that.

[Liberal Dose]

27. That line was unnecessary. When a candidate drops out of the race (or loses) this normally follows:

"I am endorsing this candidate-who-is-not-me and I urge you to show your support by voting for this candidate-who-is-not-me as well." Seriously. Isn't that how it's supposed to go? :shrug:

[cyberpj]

33. There you go.

and just now, Terry Mcauliff (or however you spell it) told MSNBC that Bill Clinton is a 2-term president and he will give his speech on anything he wants to. That followed being asked if he would talk about what the Obama team wanted him to talk about.

[sourmilk]

86. Didn't she do just that, back in June?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24993082/

WASHINGTON - Hillary Rodham Clinton suspended her pioneering campaign for the presidency on Saturday and summoned supporters to use "our energy, our passion, our strength" to put Barack Obama in the White House.

"I endorse him and throw my full support behind him," said the former first lady, delivering the strong affirmation that her one-time rival and other Democratic leaders hoped to hear after a bruising campaign.

...

"The way to continue our fight now to accomplish the goals for which we stand is to take our energy, our passion, our strength and do all we can to help elect Barack Obama, the next president of the United States," she said.

"Today as I suspend my campaign, I congratulate him on the victory he has won and the extraordinary race he has run. I endorse him and throw my full support behind him and I ask of you to join me in working as hard for Barack Obama as you have for me," the New York senator said in her 28-minute address. Loud boos competed with applause.

[hedgehog]

28. Being passive aggressive: Many of us can attempt it, but

only a few raise it to an art!

[jesus_of_suburbia]

37. I know a potential first lady who was quite passive aggressive as well!

I won't name any names, but the incident I'm thinking of didn't come from Cindy's mouth.

[PBS Poll-435]

32. Wow

There is WAY too much crazy on here...

[Skip Intro]

44. As said before, some wouldn't be happy unless she were on her knees before Obama.

And as usual, a couple of sentences without any hint of context - was she responding to a question, what was the question, what was said before and after this - who cares, it doesn't matter, the goal is to smear Hillary.

You know, a lot of people did vote for her, and a lot of delegates pledged to represent that support at the convention. It's not like she dreamed up the idea of a floor vote. And she does have a point.

But please, I don't mean to rain reason on the hate parade.

Carry on.

[ronnykmarshall]

54. They need their daily Clinton bashing.

[Enrique]

45. did you really have to analyze this so obsessively?

especially when McCain is obviously trying to stir up shit and Obama is trying to promote a unity message?

[ronnykmarshall]

50. Wow ! Andrew Sullivan...

And of course the same group are flocking to this thread to feed.

[Maven]

52. STFU and move on.

[ronnykmarshall]

55. I hear ya Hedley!

[pecwae]

85. .

:thumbsup:

[wvbygod]

56. What part of "That is what traditionally happens" is unclear?

It's as if this was DUers first Democratic convention. The calls for narrow thought
and lockstep handwringing is quite unique.

[LostinVA]

64. I actually think it is the first for quite a few

[SurfingAtWork]

62. Wink, Wink

[otohara]

69. At Least She Didn't Call Him Her Opponent

in this statement - Thank you Goddess, thank you for your kindness and support of The Democratic candidate.

Oh wait, there's the speech tomorrow - that's when the "opponent" remark will resurface.

[flpoljunkie]

72. That was yesterday.

[PresidentObama]

74. OMGZZZ!1 NOOEESS1111!!

[farmboxer]

76. Better focus on beating McCain.

McCain is the enemy, not Clintons. Republicans want to create problems, laughing at those who are falling for their tricks.

[GoesTo11]

78. Sounds like a phrasing that was negotiated with Obama's people

I read it skeptically, but that's a pretty clear position, not a slip or fake slip of the tongue. It must be what they agreed about how to orchestrate the coming together. I'd let this one lie.

[bridgit]

79. How her delegates vote *is* their personal decision

I don't find her words on this or like-matters, any more lawyerly or cryptic than Obama's on a host of his issues. It's time to move past all of this stuff, it's time to get busier. It's time to start focusing on McCain and whatever dweeb he brings up as VP

[WinkyDink]

84. Of course. But one still senses a "wink, wink, nudge, nudge" element here.

[MaraJade]

81. Oh Boy! Another slam against Hillary--

Is she supposed to threaten the delegates if they don't vote Obama?

Maybe she needs some thugs with machetes and boiling hot water to do the dirty
work for her.

Voting in this nation is always a private decision. When that curtain closes,
a person has the right to vote as their conscience dictates. It is the same with
the delgates. By telling them how she intends to vote, Hillary MADE A SUGGESTION, and
that is all that she can properly do.

This isn't Zimbabwe, where people are told how to vote--OR ELSE--

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/africa/06/27/zimbabwe.victims/index.html

This is the USA, where people gave their very lives and devoted their sacred honor
to defend every individual's personal rights.

Hillary would have been DEAD WRONG to tell the delegates how to vote. She suggested
that they vote Obama, and that is all that she can do.

[eridani]

82. Oh, please! The Kucinich holdouts in 2004 wound up working hard for Kerry

Why would it be different this time?

[Kahuna]

83. Typical HIllary-speak. nt

[salguine]

87. No, she didn't. She' still trying to monkey-wrench Obama. Praise you to

your face while she sticks a knife in your back. I think Bill and Hillary will be surprised at how much they won't be missed when they're finally gone.

[LostinVA]

88. zzzzzzzzzzz

[Beacool]

90. And, pray tell, why wouldn't her delegates vote for her?

Yeah, let's all pretend that the woman didn't win millions of votes and no delegate should actually vote for her.

How dare they?????

Same bllshit around here, just different day........