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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 11:26 AM
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Poll question: To Jangle or Not To Jangle
that is the question

Sorry, polls are turned off at Level 3.

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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 11:29 AM
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1. K&R

Let's get it on record that most DUers think taunting a POW about time spent in an enemy prison is really, really stupid politics.


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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 11:30 AM
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6. let's get it on record, the whole concept from the beginning was about referring to McCain's HOUSES
and had nothing, absolutely NOTHING to do with anything else.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 11:48 AM
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14. Yes it's an unfortunate coincidence that jangling keys were already known as one of his triggers.
Edited on Mon Aug-25-08 11:49 AM by redqueen
But since we did know ahead of time, this idea should have been shot down from the outset.

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Indiana_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 11:29 AM
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2. That would tick off some of the veterans we have on our side. nt
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 11:30 AM
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4. Exactly. Goddamn, how stupid is this?
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 11:29 AM
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3. Since I'm as politically wonky as it gets, and I don't get it, I say no.
I'm still waiting for clarification of the symbolism. :shrug:
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Fluffdaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 11:31 AM
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7. Ditto
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 11:47 AM
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12. ...
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 01:26 PM
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29. There are two symbols (which is what screws it up).

First, it is in John McCain's biography that jangling keys are a PTSD trigger for him because North Vietnamese prison guards used to taunt him by jangling the keys in front of him. Over the past few weeks there have been several threads on DU suggesting protestors appear at his events jangling keys trying to get him to flip out in public. I can not tell you what the tenor of those threads were, since I never even bothered with them.

Then over the weekend someone at DailyKos started campaigning for delegates to jangle keys at the Democratic convention to remind the American public of McCain not knowing how many homes he owns. I am pretty much assuming the person at DailyKos was unaware of the PTSD issue.

Those of us who oppose it do so because the PTSD issue is well documented and pre-dates the home gaffe. There is no chance in hell this will not be seen as taunting McCain over his capture and imprisonment.

Those in favor seem to fall into two camps. First, there are those who do not want us to let the Right frame the issues. Obviously, we all agree with that sentiment. But the anti- argument against that is that there is no fucking way we can stop it from being framed in this fashion. Anyone who believes otherwise must spend their entire lives in an echo chamber where normality never intrudes.

The second pro- camp is perfectly okay with it being framed as above. "I don't want a president who is afraid of my car keys," is one thread out there. They figure we can turn it to our advantage. Should the Democratic delegates actually be ignorant enough to do this at the convention, then we will have no choice but to (1) explain what we really mean and (2) add-on with he 2nd pro- camp's argument:

"The keys were referring to his not knowing how many homes he owns all the while trying to claim that Obama, who was still working from paycheck to paycheck a couple years ago, is the one out of touch with our lives. But as long as you have brought up McCain's PTSD issue, doesn't it bother you a little having a president who can be completely rattled at negotiations by someone tossing their keys onto the table?"


I really don't want to have to explain over and over again that the keys were about the house, not taunting him over his imprisonment.


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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 11:30 AM
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5. Other: Dangle.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 11:48 AM
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13. For the record though, I voted an emphatic "NO". nt
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 11:32 AM
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8. It's a reminder of having 10 houses.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 11:49 AM
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16. People will misunderstand on purpose.
I think we've milked the house thing for what it's worth. Time to move on. Besides, it's pretty obnoxious, imo.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 11:34 AM
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9. ....................
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PM7nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 11:35 AM
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10. No!
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Island Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 11:38 AM
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11. No.
goddammit why can't we at least try to be better than Republicans rather than emulating their childish tactics?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 11:52 AM
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20. Um because they win elections?
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Balderdash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 11:52 AM
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21. Because the party
has been taken over by children it seems. This whole election cycle has been nasty from the gitgo and you didn't even have to get the nastiness from the other side you could get it from your own.
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That Is Quite Enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 11:48 AM
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15. Hell. No.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 11:49 AM
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17. Purple Bandaids
Edited on Mon Aug-25-08 11:58 AM by Gregorian
I'm not going there.

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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 11:50 AM
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18. While I am very against I'd agree Dems are too nice sometimes, we're stuck with that nt
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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 11:50 AM
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19. NO!
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 11:53 AM
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22. Jangle those dang keys!
:P
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ContinentalOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 11:53 AM
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23. Your title should have been "To key or not to key."
Just sayin'
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 11:54 AM
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24. COME ON. GIVE SEXY JESUS SOME LOVE!
Where's the priorities. Vote it up you morans.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 11:58 AM
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25. Key jangling: Too easily attacked by the MSM and the wingers. McPOW's PTSD so easily triggered by
our country's enemies: Unacceptable. Being President is serious business. He should withdraw his nomination if he loves his country.
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Boo Boo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 12:05 PM
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26. kick /nt
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 12:06 PM
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27. Keys: fine. Jangle: not fine. IMO.
Edited on Mon Aug-25-08 12:06 PM by BlooInBloo
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 12:07 PM
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28. Will it gain us any votes?
No, so it's not worth it.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 01:33 PM
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30. Not a single one.
And even worse, it's not really even funny or clever. That's the real crime here. :)
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 01:36 PM
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31. Can someone make "How nice for you John, I'm a Renter" buttons?
Or "Can I move into one of McCain's homes after I'm foreclosed on mine?"
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