I want to know WHY we need to have ANY sympathy for McCain, ANY

[DainBramaged]

I don't care what kind of conditions he may or may not suffer from, I don't care how it makes us look, All I know is since 1994, other than Clinton's re-election, the Reich wing has taken no prisoners and cleaned our clocks. And the talking heads have spread the the rumor about Obama being a Muslim, use his middle name as a profanity, accuse him of being a terrorist, yet we should care about plastic keys?

DO any of you here who are registered Democrats really think the RNC would not use any weakness against Obama and Biden if they could?

Grow up people, this is war, and our futures depend on it, not placating the feelings of a few who forgot how to win years ago.

[glowing]

1. I kinda have to agree.. these are the people who wore purple heart bandaids

to a convention with 5 deferment Chaney and AWOL chimpy.

[DainBramaged]

2. The RNC's work is done here, people here are afraid to insult

McSenile at the convention using plastic keys as a prop.

We have been had again.

[pnorman]

74. "these are the people who wore purple heart bandaids"

I almost forgot about that! Does anyone here have the photo of that brain-dead broad at the 2004 RNC? She was grinning like an idiot, and "proudly" flaunting that band-aid.:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:


pnorman

[TTUBatfan2008]

3. Yeah but the media will not call them out on it...

Let's face it, the RW owns the "patriotism" issue and always manages to spin the issue, no matter what it is, against Dems. Better to not give them any kind of fuel for cheap attacks on us than to go through with what is intended as a joke.

[DainBramaged]

4. No of course not, we'll go wait in the corner for the results of the election

:eyes:

[TTUBatfan2008]

12. WTF is wrong with hitting him on his policies?

Or coming up with a better way of expressing the house joke? We've got Joe Biden on our side. That alone is a huge boost. He's the type of guy who makes a joke that everyone laughs at, including the Rethugs, until the Rethugs suddenly realize he just bitch slapped them with the truth. Barack has started going on the attack more lately too and hopefully it continues. We need really strong condemnations from Bill and Hillary at that Convention as well. Hammer McNopoly for the asshole that he really is, convince those diehard Hillary voters to come over to Obama's side.

[tblue]

38. Damn straight! I will NEVER forget that.

[roguevalley]

82. its a bad thing because it tells all anyone has to know about the

person who does it. think about how you feel about the purple heart idiots four years after it happened. think about it.

[truthisfreedom]

5. Now that the enemy knows he responds violently to jangling keys...

He's of no use to America.

[DainBramaged]

8. Shhhhh, don't let America know that

we can't have a defective President. Oh wait, we have one.

Like I said, the RNC DOESN'T want this debate to come up, so they brought it here to try and get everyone concerned. And to try and put a sock on it.

[writes3000]

6. It is NOT about sympathy. We should attack the hell out of him. SMARTLY.

Attack him on the housing them.

Attack him for being mentally questionable.

Attack him for being a serial cheater.

Attack him for flip-flopping.

But do NOT pick an attack that is EASILY reversed on us. If you want a big show about his housing gaffe, DO IT. Just please do it in a way that keeps us ON MESSAGE.

It's that simple.

[DainBramaged]

9. Of course, let's offer them tea and cookies and debate them

WE attack ourselves, don't you get it? We LOSE because we HAVE NO GUTS to win.

[writes3000]

17. Do you realize you're arguing the WRONG point? Really. Try to hear me out.

I just realized what you're trying to say.

You're saying we shouldn't hesitate to attack McCain's instability. I'm completely open to that.

But instead of arguing that point, we've been arguing about this key thing. And most people have overwhelmingly been discussing the key chain idea as a way to link McCain to his houses.

So if you want to hammer McCain on PTSD or his mental instability, let's bounce ideas around. Do you think the key chain idea is the best way to do that? I don't. I don't think most people will get the association UNTIL the other side clarifies it. Do you disagree?

Do you think there's a more direct way to attack McCain on these points?

You may choose to hurl insults here but I would rather be able to actually understand where you're coming from. I sincerely doubt anyone here wants to make things easy for McCain.

[Hippo_Tron]

22. Bingo, thank-you for pointing this out

There's a difference between making McCain's PTSD fair game and childishly making fun of his PTSD. The keys are making fun of it.

I think the OP is under the impression that we will get video footage of McCain freaking out in response to the thousands of jingling keys. That will obviously never happen, just a bunch of angry RNC surrogates and McCain coming out talking about how Obama disrespects veterans.

There is a much smarter way to do this.

[DainBramaged]

30. You have no idea what I am talking about do you?

Let's try this again some here think dangling plastic keys as a way to make fun of McCain's homes is not fair game because he may have an incident of PTSD watching thousands of people on TV making fun of him with plastic keys.

I say go for it, let the world know 1) he is not one of us and 2) he is unfit for office.

Is that clear??

[writes3000]

35. Almost no one is saying that. No one is saying McCain is going to have an PTSD incident over this.

You are going out of your way NOT to listen or consider other points of view.

You want to let the world know he's not one of us and he's unfit for office? GREAT.

Are you open to the idea that there may be better ways to do both?

If you think the keys are the only way to do it, then I disagree. But it is not because I'm weak or interested in being gentle with McCain.

To me the jangling key chain don't strongly sell the houses concept nor does it directly point out McCain's mental issues.

If we want to do both, let's be clear and direct.

[DainBramaged]

27. Sorry, you take too long to catch up

[ProSense]

34. See this is just wrong,

The debate was about house keys and the likelihood that the GOP would spin it as an a reference to McCain's PTSD.

"Do you think there's a more direct way to attack McCain on these points?"

The purpose of the keys is to focus on McCain seven to 12 homes. No one is attacking McCain's PTSD, but here you are already conflating the two.

[writes3000]

37. Read the OP's reply to me. You will see that my assessment of his POV is spot on.

If we're going to have a successful discussion, we have to be able to comprehend what the other person is actually saying.

[DainBramaged]

42. I'll remember to stand and shout for attention the next time you open a thread

:eyes:

[writes3000]

45. You've been attacking people who don't even understand what you're arguing for.

And you make it ALL about them and their inability to "catch up".

Which is why you end up in so many arguments that go nowhere.

[DainBramaged]

47. I haven't attacked anyone, YOU seem to want your opinion heard above all others here

start your own thread if you think your position is so important. And again, I don't care what you think, want to get personal, let's go.

On second thought, you seem to want to distract this thread away from my original point. Why is that? Too touchy a subject? You want us to have some sympathy for Mccain?

[writes3000]

53. You've called veteran posters (in the other post) "weak", implied they are "freepers"...

All because of our inability to discuss and connect points of view.

You're doing it again here. I'm not trying to distract from your points. I'm trying to clarify them.

Kristi1696, Wolsh, JeffersonDem are all great posters. Neither weak nor freepers. I don't think they understand where you are coming from - because you haven't helped them understand.

But maybe that is less important to you than your desire to be contrary and accusatory.

[DainBramaged]

56. I don't need or want you to clarify MY points, Jesus get real

I don't need a spokesperson, grow up. What is this, a stalker set up? Your opinion of people is YOUR opinion, and quit lecturing me, you aren't my parents.

You have serious issues. Wahhhhhhhhhhhhh I won't play, therefore I am a bad person, I'm being mean to you, waaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

PS

You write? Nice journal

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[writes3000]

57. So it's okay for you to call other people out but..... My point is made. nt

[DainBramaged]

58. Call me out again, go for it.

Like I said, you seem to have a fixation on clarifying MY position, why is that? Stalkers are banned here you know.

[demobabe]

68. Holy cow, come back to Earth!

You're making my brain hurt.

You're worried about weird perception stuff that makes absolutely no sense.

We need to get our messages out there, no matter what way we do it.

It's the Republican Dream for Democrats to double and triple think and worry about how they're perceived... it's called Political Correctness, and that's how Republicans have turned Democrats into babbling idiots.

Rattle keys. Do other things. Get the message out. DO IT ALL.

[ProSense]

44. I read it,

it's about not having sympathy for McCain, and I don't. The part about not caring what he suffered, I take to mean that it doesn't excuse him from being called out on lies and other despicable acts.

[writes3000]

48. Agreed. It's not about sympathy. But the OP thinks it is -thus the original post.

I'm trying to separate the two issues here.

1) Is the jangling key chain the best way to make the association with McCain's houses gaffe?

2) Should we attack McCain's mental instability/PTSD?

I'm asking the second question because it became clear to me that the OP was arguing yes. And that's where his question of "Why should we have sympathy for McCain?" came from.

Personally, I don't have a strong opinion other than thinking that the keys don't make a big impression regarding issue #1 and they potentially open us up to accusations on issue #2.

If we're going to attack McCain's mental stability, I think there are better ways to do it.

Do you understand where I'm coming from?

[DainBramaged]

49. Separate and analyze it in your own thread

[writes3000]

54. I'll reply as you would. No. nt

[demobabe]

69. Ugh.

1) Jangle keys. Do other things if you want.

2) Yes, McCain's mental stability and PTSD should be questioned because he is unfit for President.

Bonus answer: Shut up about the keys. Start your own thread and we'll let it sink.

[demwing]

64. This is not about attacking McCains' senility

I don't know if he IS senile, but if he isn't, he's damn sure in an Ivory Tower, removed 7 times over from the state of the economy, and disassociated from the reality of how Bush's failed policies affect the average American voter.

Fuck the freepers, let the keys ring.

[demobabe]

55. What message would be reversed?

Barack Obama does not have PTSD.

The fact that McCain does just explains part of the reason he has those awful anger fits.

If he has PTSD, he has no business being in the White House. Period.

There is no backfiring here. We're cruel?

And a million dead Iraqis and thousands of dead US Soldiers is somehow NOT CRUEL?

Don't fall for the Republican ploy of being politically correct. That's what they want you to do.

[DainBramaged]

61. Well said, something a few other people don't want us to realize

"Don't fall for the Republican ploy of being politically correct. That's what they want you to do."

[Raineyb]

88. Are the keys not an attack on his housing "policy?"

Isn't the handing over of the keys to a new house the quintessential moment that you know that the new house is indeed yours? And here's McLoser juggling keys to 10 houses while the keys to other people's only home is being taken from them due to the policies put in part by McDumbass's economic policy advisor.

I thought that was the point of the keys. Am I mistaken?

Regards

[Quantess]

7. Agreed.

Democrats have an admirable, yet disappointing insistence on running campaigns that are nice, and fair and classy.

It's time to fight back.

[demobabe]

10. NO sympathy. None. He wants to KILL our children.

No holds barred!

[depakid]

11. Does McCain- or do his supporters have any sympathy for anyone else

(including their own in hard times)?

That kinda settles the matter for me.

[JeffR]

13. John McCain can kiss my ass.

Thanks for a good post!

[flamingdem]

14. Get creative, the keys was just one idea, there are others nt

[Arkansas Granny]

15. It's not about having sympathy for McCain. It's about using a silly prop that would

be hyped by the media as making fun of his PTSD. Not just that, but can the Democratic party appear to be insensitive to a condition that affects many of the members of the military that are returning from Iraq and Afghanistan. You can talk all you want that it's about the keys representing the number of houses he owns, but that won't be the way it is portrayed by the media or perceived by many voters.

[DainBramaged]

19. Just remember the name Max Cleland, and then tell me we should have sympathy

for his "condition".

Max Cleland was accused by Ann Coulter of being drunk when he fell on the grenades, he was in a bar and dropped his own grenade's.

No Sympathy.

[writes3000]

21. Please read my post above. Most people are not understanding what you are advocating.

[Arkansas Granny]

26. Just remember that John McCain defended John Kerry from the swiftboat attacks.

Ann Coulter is a despicable POS and the remarks she made about Max Cleland were unforgivable. However, this is not about Ann Coulter. This is about Democrats who would use the same despicable tactics to denigrate not just John McCain, but thousands of others who suffer from PTSD.

[DainBramaged]

32. He didn't do a very good job did he? He is a BUSH man, period

[writes3000]

20. I think the OP wants to hit McCain on those PTSD issues. I think that's his point.

It's taken me this long to understand it. That's why he supports the key idea. Just my two cents.

[Quantess]

28. You mean, "don't be mean to the old man just because he's got psychological problems!"?

This is about hiring someone to lead our country. So, you say, we should be delicate and polite to a presidential candidate, just because he's elderly and/or that he has PTSD?

You mean, we should run a respectful, polite campaign.

Look where that got the Democrats.

[demwing]

65. Who says?

and why let THEM dictate what our actions mean?

[DainBramaged]

16. McCain is the "monster" in the room, out of touch, a prop of the RNC

He CHOSE to run for President, therefore he CHOSE to be subjected to anything and everything we can throw at him. ALl is not fair in politics, it hasn't been since the DixieCrats said fu to civil rights.

http://www.mediaresearch.org/cyberalerts/2004/cyb20040831am.asp#1

Remember what they did to John Kerry, Al Gore, MAX CLELAND.

Think long and hard about conceding defeat again.

[Hippo_Tron]

18. Do you know anybody with PTSD?

Because I do and believe me when I say it's not a pretty picture. I personally don't have the stomach to make fun of someone's PTSD. Now if you want to find a constructive way to point out that his PTSD makes him unfit to be President, then that's a different story.

But more importantly the keys will backfire. The keys are too easily seen as making fun of McCain's PTSD. As has been said above, there are more creative ways to do this.

[DainBramaged]

23. Do you know anyone who has been harmed by this misAdministration

It's not a pretty picture.

Oh and for you "do you know" types. My brother was severely injured stepping on a mine in Viet Nam in 1969, he returned to live on the streets homeless despite our best efforts, and disappeared in 1984 following my Father's funeral. Don't tell me about PTSD, we tried for YEARS without the help of the VA to bring my brother back from the brink. I only hope he found peace.

But he never ran for political office. And this is about McCain, not my brother or anyone else.

[demobabe]

24. Yes, I do, but they're NOT RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT!

And the highest office in the land is one that requires a person who is of sound mind.

Clearly this is not the case with John McCain.

The keys will not backfire. The message will get out. The media is going to spin negatively no matter what, or if we find something you'd consider "non-offensive" enough, the media likely will not cover it anyway.

A BAD message would actually HELP us more, because then we get it in the media and then work to clarify the meaning of the keys. Meanwhile they talk about it.

[JonLP24]

40. Before I jump on board with this

Where is evidence McCain is currently suffering from PTSD? Even though I can't imagine it being severe enough to affect him today as the POW experience was 30 years ago, I'm sure with proper health care which he most certainly can get the best he should be just fine with counseling, therapy etc. I think it would be unfair to use that as a reason to not support him to be President. now in my opinion anyone who is a republican doesn't have a sound mind but as far as McCain. He is qualified as any republican to run for President whether or not he is the best man for this country

[DainBramaged]

43. If he needs to be medicated for this 40 years on , he should not be running for President

simple. Maybe that is why he no longer is Mr. Nice Guy to the press on the bus, maybe the bus driver shook his keys one too many times.

[JonLP24]

51. Ok but is he currently suffering?

I have not seen ANYthing to suggest that he is and even if he was I'm sure if he was it would be mild at this point as to where any symptons would be barely noticable. I understand this experience changed him as anyone and more then likely he probaly recovered from this experience and probaly has a different outlook on life. Even then this experience doesn't give him the necessary tools to run a country and I'm not supporting him. I'm just not going to make this POW experience a political issue unless I'm convinced he is currently suffering from full blown PTSD then I can concede he is mentally unstabble(not retarted) to run the Presidency of the United States. But I think he is mentally unstabble to be President because he is a republican.

[demobabe]

If it's "cruel" to rattle keys like Faux News says

Then yes, he is suffering. The Republicans are the ones bringing it up, saying their candidate becomes unglued at the sound of keys.

We KNOW this is not the case with Barack Obama.

Even taking the SLIGHTEST chance McCain will become unglued - and it is WELL DOCUMENTED he has sudden fits of INTENSE anger, he has NO BUSINESS being anywhere near the White House. Period.

[JonLP24]

60. I can go with that

About the anger, I can understand that. That is a very good reason to be weary of someone because of the anger. But if Obama had occasional intense fits of anger we'd still support him which doesn't make it a turning point for me. I'm against McCain for a number of policies.

I have mild forms of PTSD and the rattling of keys doesn't bother me. Loud booms, driving under freeway over passes, and trash in the road startle me but I immediately have quick realization of what is actually going on. I'm sure the same with the rattling of keys. (I'm unaware of this one but I can probaly understand it instantly reminds him of the treatment he went thru but he has quick realization as well that I'm here)

I think McCain isn't the right person to be President because he is a republican and the policies he stands for, simply that. Not because of age, vietnam war experience, or how short he is.

[demobabe]

50. Okay then...

How about how he can't even remember what he says from day to day?

How he comes out against legislation he championed?

How he breaks rules he made?

You know, it wasn't the Dems who brought up the PTSD thing. It's the Republicans. So clearly it's an issue, and if they say it's an issue, then I'm concerned.

I don't want a crazy person with their finger on the bomb.

I don't want a crazy person who wants to lead us into 100 year wars and bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran.

Because of these wars, our economy has been BOMBED into the ground.

Our dollar has been devalued over 40%, and that's 40% of money RIGHT OUT OF YOUR POCKET. Unless you got a 40% pay increase, then you got a pay cut, all thanks to your beloved Republican Party.

[JonLP24]

52. Not everyone can remember what they say day to day

But the flip flopping on issues and breaking rules is because he is a republican. Now I agree he is mentally unfit to be President because he has republican values that are hurting this country today.

[demobabe]

62. Well, if you get a bill passed with your name on it...

...then break your own law, doncha think that goes a little beyond "not remembering what you say day to day?"

[JonLP24]

63. I say he did that because he is a republican

I can't really speak for him as to why he did something but I feel that the current republicans today have bad judgment. He may be having memory lapses due to old age :shrug:

But I really have no idea what is going in McCain's head without a full mental evaulation by a doctor.

[Quantess]

70. The 1970's were practically yesterday,

It's far too unreasonable to expect someone to get over PTSD that soon, if they're running for president.

[JonLP24]

71. I'm just saying it wouldn't be no where near as intense

I'd imagine it wouldn't be as intense as the following years if he did have full blown PTSD. But if it was a case where it would interfere with his life I doubt he'd be able to hold a position in the Senate as long as he has.

[Quantess]

92. Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. PTSD by abbreviation.

Say, you had a traumatic birth. Or, a traumatic event at age 3, or age 20. Or age 43. As as the years go by, how many years later are you still allowed to call it "Post Traumatic Stress Disorder"?

This is is a valid question.

[ProSense]

25. Why do people kee saying this:

The keys are too easily seen as making fun of McCain's PTSD.

Do you really believe the media is going to make McCain's PTSD an issue?

On another note, the entire cast of Swift Liars are either working for or donating to McCain's campaign.

Some are probably the same ones who swiftboated Max Cleland.

McCain doesn't care.

[writes3000]

31. We're all debating strategy. I think the media will simply say "Dems make fun of McCain's lockup"

Which is a lose-lose, in my opinion.

If we want to attack McCain's mental instability, we should do it in a direct way.

[ProSense]

36. That makes no sense.

That's a leap. There is no way for them to go there without explaining what they mean.

People don't see keys and think POW lockup.

[writes3000]

41. Have you noticed how the GOP defends McCain?

All they have to say is "Dems have read up on McCain's years as a POW. They read that jangling keys used to be a painful reminder of his years in capitivity. And this is how they repay John McCain."

Easy. No mention of PTSD.

[ProSense]

46. That makes no sense

They are not going to be able to spin this effectively.

[Quantess]

67. For how many years is someone reasonably expected to suffer from PTSD?

Someone who can't recover from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder within 20+ years may not be a good Presidential candidate.

[calimary]

29. When he first came back and for the first few years afterwards, yeah, feel sorry

for him. Fine. Okay. Pity party. Live it up. But it's - what? FORTY YEARS later? And in that time he's risen to the the highest levels of power and influence, married an heiress who was his backstage girl while he was still with his first wife, and because of her, he's set for life. He's set for SEVERAL lives. He's sitting as pretty as can be. He wore out his sympathy welcome years ago. ENOUGH already. We've paid in full all obligations and fealty. In FULL. We don't owe him anything further. NOBODY has been better compensated for flying a plane into the wrong airspace at the wrong time, thank you very much. I will NOT be GUILTED into voting for john mcsame.

:nopity:

[JonLP24]

33. I think the issue of being a POW should be dropped

I can't even come close or even want to imagine what it would be like to be captured and kept prisoner by a nation we are at war with. So yes I have respect for what he went thru but it should not be used politically or as a rebuttle. Wesley Clark was dead on when he said being shot down in a fighter jet is not a qualification to be President, yes he was blunt about it but it is true.

However I propose if McCain keeps bringing it up politically they should just simply repeat what General Clark said. Now I agree the Dems should show no mercy as far as his policies, the backing of Bush, and any dumb attack ad he decides to air.

[Hippo_Tron]

39. If this really is a good idea it should be done at a McCain rally, not at the DNC

The news cycles this week need to be very on message about Obama's life story and how McCain is associated with Bush.

As I said above, I don't personally have the stomach to do this. But if people do and think it is a good idea then they should organize a group that goes to McCain rallies and jingles keys. That will certainly get the media's attention and make the message loud and clear.

Not to mention the fact that Obama can distance himself from said group. Remember that Republicans always outsource their dirty work. If we're going to emulate them, we need to do that as well.

[Undercurrent]

59. Bingo!

Keep our convention free of this so the Democratic message can come through loud and clear.

We have a hard enough time getting though the MSM flak as it is.

[grannie4peace]

66. i don't have any for him

:thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

[DainBramaged]

76. Those who do need to get off the bus

[CTLawGuy]

72. if it were actually a liberal media I would agree

but who does the media favor?????

[eridani]

73. So use plastic Monopoly houses instead of plastic keys n/t

[Enrique]

75. Obama said it best

"I don't intend to lose."

Obama is going to weigh the risk of any attack on McCain, which is his obligation as nominee.

[Jennicut]

77. McCain is a constant pity party, woe is me, I am a POW

So? There were many many POW's who didn't and still don't have time to dwell on it. Nor do they use it for political gain. McCain talks about it easily as well. Contrast that to Joe Biden who still after 30-something years has a tough time talking about the car accident that took the lives of his wife and baby daughter. McCain gets no sympathy for me. He would if he barely mentioned it and his buddies rarely talked about it but they use it as an excuse for every thing he does, its like a crutch. "well, yeah..but he WAS a POW." I once felt sympathy for him about hearing about his extensive injuries but enough is enough. Overcoming it and becoming a stronger person makes one feel sympathy and empathy. Using it for political gain does not.

[samsingh]

78. he's enabled the death of hundreds of thousands under bush

we should not have any sympathy for mccain. we should save that for the victims of his policies.

[DainBramaged]

79. And the chosen don't want us to rattle plastic keys, awwww

[Rosa Luxemburg]

80. Presidents should be fit to lead

[BklynChick]

81. thousands of lives have been lost because of bush and his policies. no sympathy here. use whatever

we can.

[flamingdem]

83. This is not about McCain, or sympathy, this is about winning not tantruming nt

[elkston]

84. I don't think we have to attack his POW thing. But we should stop bringing it up.

Seriously. Cut out all the "I respect his service ..." bullshit. Just leave it out and go on to attack his policies (and maybe his character).

Leave his military service alone. No comments -- positive OR negative. Just let it go.

[WinkyDink]

85. You mean: "O*ama Bi*den"?

[Joe the Revelator]

86. Because we want to win elections not play pretend war or exact revenge

Leave the main war to the guys behind the podium. If you're in the audiance, be a good solider, not a mercenary (to take your metephor to new heights).

[JVS]

87. FUCK JOHN MCCAIN

[DainBramaged]

89. I think he's too old even for Viagra

[DangerDave921]

90. So the end justifies the means? No thanks

I believe in honesty, and decency, and fairness. You know -- democratic values? That doesn't mean I don't want to win, or that I won't play hardball. But it doesn't mean abdicating all notions of decency in order to win. This is not war; this is politics, which historically is a peaceful means by which we transition power.

[Tesibria]

91. It's not about having Sympathy for McCain!

It's about the concept of treating ALL people with respect.

It's about all the OTHER folks with disabilities - be it PTSD, or Epilepsy, or Migraines, or any other condition for which a reaction can be triggered by a sound or flash of light - or whatever.

It's about the concept that we CAN win ... and maintain our principles.

We can (and are) going after his house gaffe.

I'm just WAITING for the YouTube juxtaposition of McCain/Republicans derisively calling "us" "Starbucks-sipping liberals" ... given that McCain took a 7+ vehicle motorcade to Starbucks over the weekend - TWICE, I believe - to pick up a cappuccino.

We can, and should attack his positions and his hypocrisy.

.... without becoming the hypocrite.

It's really that simple.