CNN Politcal Ticker-Clinton Loyalists Outraged-"If you think we were mad before..."

[Politics_Guy25]

Here's the whole article from CNN.com:

Some in Clinton circle 'outraged'
Posted: 04:06 PM ET

Some in Clinton's inner-circle are outraged.
(CNN) — Evan as Hillary Clinton praised the newly-minted Democratic presidential ticket Saturday, some in her circle are furious Barack Obama did not appear to give the New York Democrat serious consideration for the No. 2 spot, or even ask for her consultation on the matter.

"Set aside that Obama said she'd be on anybody's short list, set aside anybody's feelings on whether she was deliberately snubbed and the pros and cons of whether it should be her," a former Clinton strategist told CNN's Candy Crowley. "Focus on the politics of it and you have about a quarter of Clinton loyalists still not joining the caravan…for God's sake, not to even make a show of taking her seriously is flatly stupid."

A top Clinton advisor also told CNN they were "outraged," over how the process was conducted.

"You can't put Eric Holder and Carolyn Kennedy on an hour plane ride to Chappaqua just to check the box? They should have done it just for the optics," this person said. "Barack never even said to her, 'Here's how I envision the job'– not one discussion with her about ."

"They thought her supporters were mad before? They are really mad now," this person also said. We knew it was never going to happen but you would have thought they might at least make a show of it."

Former Clinton strategist Paul Begala echoed similar frustrations on CNN Friday night.

"I think there are a lot of Hillary voters who are going to say, 'Hey, wait a minute, man You said you were going to put her on the short list. You know, you didn't even vet her. You didn't call her. You didn't seek her advice,'" Begala said. "By the way, he didn't seek President Clinton's advice either. He's actually the guy who I think picked the best vice president in American history. You would think maybe you would sort of check in with him."

Meanwhile, two sources familiar with Obama's VP search tell CNN's Roland Martin Clinton was very much under consideration, and it's wrong for anyone to suggest that she wasn't.

[alcibiades_mystery]

1. Who. Fucking. Cares?

[still_one]

38. I agree. Frankly I am tired of their crap. The choices are Obama and mccain

[Honeycombe8]

67. Me, too. This titty baby whiney crap is getting really old & just convinces me that...

the Dems made the RIGHT choice when they gave the nomination to Obama and not Clinton.

She's being a stand-up guy and doing the right thing. Bill is not, so far, but she is. But when her supporters shout & scream and make demands...well, I just cannot believe these instigators are Democrats. I believe most of them are planted McSame-ites.

[flamingdem]

98. It has to be the case, why is it so tough to prove... ?

[EvolveOrConvolve]

82. Obviously some of the Hillary folks care

What a bunch of self-serving egotists. This is NOT the time for the Hillary camp to be dividing the party in this manner. It hurts the Democratic cause when these assholes say stupid shit like this to that waste-of-flesh Candy Crowley. It gives the Republicans a hammer to hit us over the head with.

"Look at how mad the Hillary people are. The Democrats aren't really united."

It doesn't matter that this is a teensy-tiny minority that are pissed off - the media doesn't give a shit.

All I can say is: LISTEN UP ASSHOLES - SHUT THE FUCK UP UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE TO SAY.

Jesus H. Christ, this is getting ridiculous. You fucking LOST already - get over it. Goddamn, I've never seen a sorrier group of sore losers.

[still_one]

88. I do not believe it is Hillary, but a small group of followers which the MSM

is giving them more attention then they deserve

Either way, if Obama does not win the course of this country will be changed toward the hard right for at least the next 30 years

I am actually taking the whole thing philosophically

If we win, we will be set on the right track

However, if we lose, then there will be a lot of hard times to follow, and people will pay for the consequences of their actions

[EvolveOrConvolve]

95. Oh, I know it's not Hillary

She's saying and doing the right things. It's a small group of people who insist on calling themselves Democrats and who claim to be Hillary supports who are stirring up all this shit.

[enough already]

115. She could tell those people to shut the fuck up and they would

But they are still out there whining. No, it's her.

[XemaSab]

92. The longer this goes on the more PUMA looks like

that freaky woman from "Fatal Attraction."

[TahitiNut]

101. "Bunny Boilers" ... the term is "bunny boilers"

[cliffordu]

104. ROFL!!! That is fucking PERFECT!!!

[TahitiNut]

100. All true believers are required to visit Our Lady of Lourdes.

Yes ... Hillary is now like the Sacred Virgin ... and is entitled to pilgrimages.

[LooseWilly]

108. Erhmmm..

BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAH.

Ohh hell, I think I pissed myself a little...

[WeDidIt]

2. Why do they hate Hillary so much?

They cannot support Hillary while not supporting Obama. The two stances are mutually exclusive now.

[Franks Wild Years]

14. If the story about her not wanting to be considered is true...

...then these people would know about that if they're really connected to her and her campaign.

Which leads one to ponder why there is this display of outrage....I wonder why (how, who). Ulterior motive? 2012? Hmm?

[Araxen]

3. I got two words

"Sore Losers"


They need to get over it already. Biden is just as good of choice as Hillary and prolly a better choice.

[Politics_Guy25]

7. And they say us O supporters have a messianic complex...ugh..

[monmouth]

27. Hillary could have NEVER pulled off what Biden did today. She

doesn't have the conviction or passion. He does, he truly backs Barack and it shows. She's a poser. I have friends who were very disappointed in her appearance at FAU this week. She said the words because that was her job, that was it..

[JerseygirlCT]

30. More experience, better sense of humor, more

honestly working-class roots... I'd loved to have seen a woman in one spot or the other too, but I don't vote based on genitalia alone, you know?

Biden is the best choice. Bar none.

[Rene]

54. biden=onerous bankruptcy bill he and o are owned by the financial industries

[Honeycombe8]

70. The BR bill is not onerous to most people, ya kno. And the nerve of a Clintonite talkingabout owned?

NO ONE is more owned, and owes more favors, than the Clintons.

Why won't Bill release the names of the contributors to his library? I think we all know why. THIS IS ONE REASON THAT NO VETTING OF THE CLINTONS COULD POSSIBLY HAVE BEEN DONE.

Who passed NAFTA, hmmmm?

Who was in bed with the Chinese years before Bush thought it was cool? (hint: it was the Clintons)

Who was the largest recipient of large pharma and insurance company contributions? And, coincidentally...whose healthcare plan REQUIRED EVERY CITIZEN TO BUY THE PRODUCTS OF INSURANCE COMPANIES? What a coincidence!

If I were you, I wouldn't be throwing stones. Those glass walls sometimes crash inwards.

[Binka]

99. Then take a hike Rene

See ya later sport.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

114. So, we'll put you in the bitter PUMA column then, shall we?

[Thegonagle]

113. Spin Spin Spin. There is no liberal media,,,

Except for Pacifica and the like, which reaches 1% of the population.

Bad news for the progressive party is always good news for the legacy class.

Stories like this one are no surprise to me when they come from places like CNN.

[DJ13]

4. Hillary wasnt the Clinton that needed vetting

Bill wouldnt allow himself to be vetted from what I have heard.

[gateley]

22. That's what I've heard, too -- that she was not vetted because

Bill didn't want to comply. That's his right, and if that's accurate, how can they blame Obama? Again, if true, Bill took Hillary out of the running for VP.

[IndianaGreen]

50. Bill has been the problem

Bayh's wife had all kinds of financial connections to lobbyists. Bill's dealings were more questionable.

[Richardo]

5. Some people just need something to be outraged about.

And the media will eat it up with a spoon, regurgitate it, and try to make US eat it.

[terrya]

63. Bingo.

Well, you can be outraged...or you can work to defeat John McCain this November. It's that simple.

[americanstranger]

6. Great. Another round of poutrage...

So, they quoted Begala. Any bets that the anonymous source wasn't Jimmy The Lizard?

- as

[SoxFan]

83. No, wasn't Carville

He would never pass up an opportunity to get his face on television.

More likely it was Sid Vicious Blumenthal.

[americanstranger]

94. You may have a point there.

I'd momentarily forgotten about Sid Vicious.

- as

[Epiphany4z]

8. ok..soooo

these "clinton" supporters are made because Obama did not fake them out and lie to them?


"They thought her supporters were mad before? They are really mad now," this person also said. We knew it was never going to happen but you would have thought they might at least make a show of it."

[mkultra]

23. they are accustomed to being entertained.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

9. a handful of angry, deluded PUMAs aren't

worth a bucket of spit. why does CNN waste its time? Because not only the CLinton News Network, their real preference is McCain, given their four recent hires as political experts. all conservative, all neocon, all morons.

[Politics_Guy25]

Yep-we have very very very few allies in the media-n/t

[ChairmanAgnostic]

42. I know she won't appreciate it, but Rachel Maddow is my secret love

and Keitho is pretty good.

[julialnyc]

10. If this is where they direct their outrage, they don't have very good priorities

Enough with the handful of whiners

[FrenchieCat]

11. And we need to know about the Corporate Media Puma Hype for what reason?

Because to be honest, I really just don't give a shit.

If they want to make Hillary unelectable from this point on into the future, the PUMAs and the sorry ass media should carry on....with their incredibly phony dumbasses!

[goodgd_yall]

64. That's what it is---hype

You wouldn't even know this angry little mob existed except for the MSM.

[LaurenG]

12. Oh well - this is reality

sometimes things work out the way we want them and sometimes we have to compromise.

[blogslut]

13. Fuck them and fuck CNN

n/t

[ErinBerin84]

15. these people aren't helping Hillary.

and at the same time, there are MANY reports about how a sizable portion of Clinton campaign staff and supporters are thrilled with Biden as a VP.

[Andy823]

16. How does anyone know

If Hillary was talked to, or vetted in this process? Has she came out and said something I missed, or is this just dome unhappy "republicans" who "claim" to be Hillary supporters?

[mwb970]

109. Everything attributed to "Hillary supporters" makes them sound Republican.

Are this woman's devoted fans truly as petulant and irrational as they are portrayed? Every time I hear about "Hillary's supporters" they are planning to disrupt our convention, or vote for mccain, or some other disturbed, un-American, Republican act. What gives?

Maybe we are lucky she didn't win. I am reminded of the prayer "Oh Lord, please protect me from your followers."

[Arnold Judas Rimmer]

17. Setting up for the CIA black ops in Denver, using the kittycult as scapegoats

Wonder how many of them will be arrested?

[Beausoir]

I'm a Clinton supporter. I am not outraged.

I'm, frankly, glad it's over.

I have no choice but to vote for Obama. No choice at all. It's settled and over and done.

And it is a relief.

[Pirate Smile]

31. I'm glad it is a relief for you. Honestly, I hate to see fellow Dems with

hurting hearts. I really hope everybody can come together and let the primary wounds heal.

[Beausoir]

34. Oh, my heart will take quite sometime to heal. But, I have been given no choice.

When you have no choice, there's not much you can do.

[davidpdx]

90. Really?

I wonder why this OP of yours got locked?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[babylonsister]

18. These idiots-Carville, Begala-who think the Clintons needed to be

consulted on the VP choice are whacked. Why should Obama have done that?
He's the presumptive nominee, he gets to make the decisions, period.

[vi5]

19. I've tried to be polite, but at this point you just have to say...

Anyone still bitter about this can go to hell. I'm not saying her supporters still can't think she was the best person for the job. I'm sure former Biden supporters think the ticket should be reversed, and I'm sure Richardson supporters are mad that he didn't win AND didn't bet picked for veep. But you don't see anyone quoting them and you don't see them threatening and huffing and puffing.

[Politics_Guy25]

25. yep-

BTW, This isn't directed at DUers who supported Hillary. They have been magnamious. This is directed at her famous supporters.

[BlueManDude]

36. This more about CNN and Candy Crowley than Hillary Clinton.

[KAZ]

44. DING DING DING!

BMD pegs it.

[americanstranger]

49. Fun Candy Crowley Factoid:

Her real first name is Magda.

- as

[Phx_Dem]

55. Yikes. And I thought Candy was bad. n/t

[Motown_Johnny]

20. The vetting question has an easy answer.. She claimed to be the most vetted person in resent history

(not an accurate quote)



So you just say that she was right. There was no need to formally vet someone so well vetted already.

Then say she was on the short list, and we almost picked her.. she was just so very very close to being on the ticket. Oh, so close!!!

[ecstatic]

21. Why won't they grow up? Did they never learn the concept

of sportsmanship? This is outrageous!

[RollWithIt]

24. There is not one direct quote to a Clinton supporter in that.....

"A top Clinton advisor said"

"the person said"

Even Bagala said, "I think there are a lot of Hillary voters who......"

Not one single directly named supporter or campaign worker.

[mkultra]

75. i think thsi is a good point

if Ed had something to say he woudl have said it himself. its just MSM drama.

[Skip Intro]

26. I don't think Obama really cares for Hillary.

I think that's been obvious for a while. But it is what it is.

I like Biden, he's a great choice. Hillary would have been too but it is not to be. I think the Clinton people have a point here, tho. Obama could have consulted with her, and with Bill, at least. My guess is personal feelings toward them won out. That's too bad.

[Name removed]

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[Skip Intro]

47. Who the fuck are you, a hall monitor on acid?

I'm not slamming Obama, I'm stating my fucking opinion.

Maybe a discussion board, where people state opinions, is too much for you to handle?

[Name removed]

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[emilyg]

91. Didn't take you long - race.

Shame on you.

[Forkboy]

107. Don't be an idiot.

[indimuse]

84. ???

??? UNREAL...

[mkultra]

59. i think they showed way to much animosity to be consulted

perhaps of the primary had been more friendly. but, you know, hillary is a "fighter".

[Life Long Dem]

28. GET LOST

[JerseygirlCT]

29. There is a small though too loud group of dead-enders

who just want to whine. And whine.

We need to move on and quit worrying about them. If they're sincere at all about their values, and not just about being part of a cult of personality, they'll vote for our really terrific ticket. If they don't, they've been part of the GOP all along, anyway.

Hillary has been treated more than fairly. She ran a crappy campaign, and lost her front-runner status. It's done. She's not the only woman who has run for President. She's not the only woman who will run for President. She's another politician who was out-strategized, out-maneuvered and outclassed. And the oddest thing is I think she pretty much knows it and is ready to get this election won.

It's this small group of people who claim to be her followers, and her husband, who just can't seem to face reality.

[DevonRex]

32. Some people will make up shit to be offended by. No sympathy

for those idiots. Time for Begala and company to get a life and stop hanging on the Clintons' coat tails.

Hillary and Bill are committed democrats and will shine at the convention. Begala and Mr. Matalin are just seeing the opportunity to make a buck going down the drain.

[Thrill]

33. Yeah because bending over backwards for them at the convention

wasn't enough. Assholes

[sampsonblk]

35. So pathetic its funny

Looks like someone has overestimated her own importance. Her friends are only feeding her delusion by playing along with her.

[eridani]

105. She isn't the one who's delusional

Begala and Carville are pissed that their gravy train has gone off the rails--that's all there really is to it.

[Cha]

37. If anyone thought I

didn't give a fuck before ..it's even now that Obama has chosen Biden.

[frogmarch]

39. Clinton supporters

need to get over it. I did when Edwards lost the nomination, and that was even before the scandal broke. Hillary lost the nomination and wasn't Obama's pick for vp. That's life.

Pouters are a pain in the ass, especially pouters who hold grudges and seek revenge.

[Metric System]

40. Obama made his choice.

[mkultra]

76. and a good one at that.

if people don't like it and want to run off, i say go.

[Joe Chi Minh]

43. How about that Begala, eh?

[Major Hogwash]

87. He's out of work.

Nobody wants to hear what he has to say anymore. A couple of years ago him and Carville wrote a book telling the Democratic party to be more moderate, give up on the issue of abortion totally and a few other "hot button" issues.

He's an idiot. That's why none of the Democratic candidates hired him this year.
Carville was interviewed on tv the other night and looked like someone had killed his favorite lizard, he was frowning so much.
He's out of a job, too.
Maybe he can find work doing more voice overs in cartoons designed to scare kids.

[Riddler]

45. You're either loyal to the party or you're not. If your loyalty lies with one individual instead of

the party, then fuck off, we'll replace you with someone who cares more about America's future than your candidate's future.

[AlCzervik]

46. She already issued a positive statement so i give a flying fuck who is enraged.

[IndianaGreen]

48. Hillary's statement was great and very positive.

What we got here are not your average Hillary supporters, but a group of dead-enders that weren't going to vote for Obama no matter what, and might not even have voted for Hillary had she become the nominee.

[AlCzervik]

52. i agree, i always figured PUMAS were just a bunch of republican shit stirrers

i never once thought they were actual democrats.

For the true HRC supporters i totally understand their disappointment, i was a Dean Gal and then a Kucinich Gal. I also hoped Obama would pick Feingold but things don't always work out as you hoped, i'm just fine with our ticket and i cannot wait to get my Obama/Biden shirt, i bought 2, one for me and one for my almost 14 year old who has been an Obama fan from the beginning.

[goodgd_yall]

62. Well, they aren't Democrats

I guess they're Clintoncrats. It's all about one person for them, not the Democratic Party.

[bigwillq]

51. It doesn't matter

how she, or her advisors, feel privately. What matters is that H. Clinton has issued numerous releases praising Obama and telling her supporters to support him since she endorsed him after the primaries were over.

It matters that she is going to campaign where Obama tells her to.
It matters that it seems like Obama and H. Clinton are united.

The rest is just the media and a select few who are still upset that H. Clinton is not the nominee. They need to put on a happy face. H. Clinton already has.

[Phx_Dem]

53. Yawn.

These people are sorry, bitter little losers who continue to make their favorite Senator look really bad. They've done their damdest to ruin every victory and celebratory moement since the primaries ended, but they can't ruin this one. People are sick of them, and no one gives a shit about them anymore.

Blah blah blah. Whine whine whine.

[Fluffdaddy]

56. I'm a big/huge Clinton Loyalists.

It's time to move on. The teams are set..........Let win

[mkultra]

78. thats great. Its obvious your cool about it.

i don't think this BS has anything to do with clinton supporters like you. I also think that you probably represent that vast majority. Thats why I call them PUMAs. It helps differentiate them from the real supporters.

[Zhade]

112. Word.

NT!

[AllentownJake]

57. FUCK THEM

[Joe the Revelator]

58. I can give two shit at this stage about Hillary, Bill or any of their supporters...

If their not on board now, then they never will be. We need to count them as a loss and MOVE ON. This entire idea of "asking Hillary's advice" is stupid. She ran a really bad campaign, why would we want her advising the Obama campaign???

[sniffa]

60. If they hold their breath, maybe something will be done

I hope they hold their breath.

[dave29]

61. It's always about Hillary -- and THAT is the problem.

.

[Pisces]

65. Soooo Tired of the Sore Losers!! Nothing is enough for them. Put them on perpetual ignore!!

[BlueIdaho]

66. This election is no longer about the Clintons.

Its time they and their followers realize that.

[Arkana]

68. Let them rant and rave--we'll see what the people think.

Buncha whiny bastards.

[barack the house]

69. The polls say Obama picked the right guy at the right time the rest is media hype Let's get to work

[barack the house]

71. Hillary also said she didn't want the slot. I won't pay them attention they are either Democrats-->

or they are not with the party. There simply isn't time to pander to pursuade them. If they can't see the what the stakes are there is nothign to discuss. Obama made a stand of leadership yesterday and was not brow beaten proud of him.

[Nedsdag]

72. I wish someone would confront these so-called Hillary "supporters"

and tell them to put down the Kool-Aid and get therapy.

Did they not get the memo? The primaries ended in June.

What's to vet? She's been vetted since 1992. Get over yourselves, please!

[blue_onyx]

73. I hope the Hillary supporters come around

I think most will by November. I do think it was mistake that Obama said that Hillary would be on anyone's short list. That gave the impression that Hillary was in contention for VP which, apparently, she never was. This gave Hillary supporters hope, just to be disappointed a second time.

[mkultra]

80. or maybe it was just an honest characterization of her importance.

If im not mistaken, she stated herself that she was not interested in a VP slot.

[ellie]

77. My God, I am so sick

of Clinton supporters. Enough! Get over it! My guy didn't win either and you don't see me whining.

[IEatRepublicans]

79. Fuck those clowns, hope on board or be irrelevant...

Their sense of entitlement is amazing...

They need to wake up quick or risk becoming completely irrelevant forever...

[annabanana]

81. BS. If they won't name names, I have no reason to believe them..

"some" people

"A" top Clinton advisor

"a" former Clinton strategist

bullshit bullshit bullshit

[npk]

85. They are outraged, huh

Some supporters stated they fully expected that Hillary would not be chosen, but would have appreciated some attention. Well what the fuck does it matter. If you never had any hope Hillary was going to be the VP selection then why are you all of a sudden so outraged. If I were a big Hillary supporter I would have been more upset if Obama had given her more consideration only in the end to pick somebody else. This is crying over spilled milk IMO.

[JVS]

86. This is just so weird.

[crimsonblue]

89. I like how they toss in the Obama camp response on the last line

CNN, why don't you go ahead and marry Fox News, because your prostituting for the GOP is disgusting.

[ampad]

93. Fuck em

That may be the cheap costco wine talking but I think not.

[AtomicKitten]

96. It's * CAROLINE * Kennedy, not Carolyn

"You can't put Eric Holder and Carolyn Kennedy on an hour plane ride to Chappaqua just to check the box? They should have done it just for the optics," this person said. "Barack never even said to her, 'Here's how I envision the job'– not one discussion with her about ."

The rest is just noise.

[TahitiNut]

102. Yes... and it's CANDY CROWLEY reporting, too. What the hell do people expect?

She's the chief dumpster diver of dirty politics.

[Renew Deal]

97. These people are long past hopeless (and powerless)

These maniacs are all talk, no action. I'd say ignore them except for the fact that they're completely ignorable.

[SeattleGirl]

103. Well, boo-fucking-hoo.

Think I'll send 'em a case of Kleenix.

[JeffR]

106. And if they think their opinions mattered for crap before

wait until they find out their opinions matter less than crap now.

The MSM just won't shut up about these 13 pitiful GOP-financed old bags, but they're a fart in a windstorm. Fuck them and the old gray mare they rode in on.

[Starry Messenger]

110. "...now we're nutrageous!"

n/t

[shaniqua6392]

111. The media is trying to stir up trouble for the Democrats.

We need to quit falling for this crap. Yes there may be some Clinton supporters who are angry, but I don't believe that they won't vote for the Democrat when it comes down to it. There are always disappointed people right after a primary. This disappointment does not usually result in turning Democratic voters into Republicans voters. Just look at how much coverage Fixed News is doing on this subject. They are trying to show us as the party of division. We need to quit criticizing Clinton supporters.

[rasputin1952]

116. Locking...

For the record, HRC was not chosen. It is expected that her "inner circle" would be upset, but that is no reason to send a fireball into DU and raise the passions once again.

To avoid further insults and bad blood, I am locking this.