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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 07:51 PM
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Dean says DNC no longer about just electing president. No longer just counting on swing states.
There is an interesting article in the Guardian UK about the fact that the convention will define in part the strategy that both Howard Dean and Barack Obama embrace to rebuild in all 50 states, about considering down ticket races as vital as the presidency. A lot of analyzing by Michael Tomasky, but fair and most interesting.

Convention puts Dean's revolutionary credentials to the test

In his three and a half years on the job, Dean has dramatically departed from the traditional role of a US party chairman. Despite the lofty title, historically the chairman has been a glorified bursar. Their job has been to raise money, placate the donors and otherwise keep a low profile. But Dean has done it differently. He has been a mediocre fundraiser. What he has tried to do instead is transform the thinking inside the party. And he's done better at that than many sceptics would ever have thought.

..."He was a moderate and even penny-pinching governor, not considered a liberal at all. But as he watched the country's radical swing to the right under George Bush, he inched left.

.."the party chairman is chosen by national committee members - party activists spread across the country. These people, livid at their leadership for blowing another election with their pusillanimity and caution, loved Dean's in-your-face, partisan style. In February 2005, they made him chairman.


Tomasky discusses the issue of the Hillary supporters who do not believe that Dean handled the primaries fairly...and he throws cold water on their arguments.

Not everyone is a believer. There is a certain family, rather prominent in Democratic politics, that is known never to have liked Dean. The female head of that household has millions of passionate followers, and many of them think Howard Dean rigged the primary campaign against Hillary Clinton. They point especially to hotly disputed votes from Florida and Michigan, states Clinton won but which saw their vote allocation cut in half by an official party committee because they violated party rules about when to hold their primaries.

The charge doesn't hold water - party chairmen used to dictate outcomes like that in the era of the smoke-filled room, but those days are gone. Still, some Clintonistas thumb their collective nose at pleas for unity, calling themselves Pumas (party unity, my ass), and 18-25% of them, according to polls, say they're voting for John McCain. Dean insists he has worked assiduously to appease them. "I truly believe that we are much more unified than the media is writing about because of their tendency to focus on the nail that sticks up rather than what's really going on," he said.


Yes, Tomasky is right. I always said that Florida's behavior during the primary would have far-reaching effects. It most surely has.

Believe it or not the Washington Times had a pretty fair article this week about Dean's goals for the party.

Dean strategy converting skeptics



UNITED PRESS INTERNATIONAL PHOTOGRAPHS Democratic National Committee
Chairman Howard Dean greets DNC employees in the District last week during his Register for Change bus tour across the country.


"The days of the Democratic Party not showing up in half the states are over. When Democrats show up, talk about our values, how we will create jobs and provide health care, we can win in any part of the country," Mr. Dean told The Washington Times.

"We proved that in states like Mississippi, Indiana and Colorado, and we'll do it again in November when we elect Barack Obama the next president of the United States," he said.

...."However, perhaps nowhere has Mr. Dean's long-term strategy produced more stunning results than in Indiana, a historically solid Republican state that Democrats have carried just twice since 1936. Democrats have since picked up three congressional seats, and Democratic nominee Sen. Barack Obama is in a dead heat with Republican rival Sen. John McCain. Dean established the campaign strategy that the Democratic Party had to compete in all 50 states and invest in all 50 states in terms of establishing an infrastructure at the grass roots by putting additional staff into the states and having them stick around after the election was over," said Indiana Democratic Party Chairman Dan Parker.

"If you look at Indiana as a case in point, we really never, ever received help from the DNC, but we did in 2005, 2006 and 2007," he said. "We received three full-time employees that pushed our total to eight, and we won three House seats and are now a target of Sen. Obama's campaign. We've opened up close to 20 campaign offices for Obama, working with the DNC."

Mr. Parker said that in hindsight, the 50-state strategy was "the crowning achievement of Dean's term, because prior to him, the DNC invested only in those states that were considered 'the battlegrounds.' We're now one of those battlegrounds."


Colorado Democratic Party Chairman Patricia Waak also had some good words for the DNC's rebuilding. She said ""It enhanced our ability to take over the state politically. The DNC came in and enhanced our voter file, helping us to mobilize people throughout the state. The result is we elected a governor, a state treasurer, (won) another House seat and added four state Senate seats and four state House seats."

I am glad to see both Obama and Dean emphasize these two things.

1. That the previous practice of the DNC focusing only on electing a president was flawed. The party needed rebuilding at grassroots level as well.

2. That the previous practice of electing a president such as counting on a handful of "swing states," such as Ohio, Florida and Michigan, not worrying about states that were already Democratic, such as New York, and writing off all the Republican states.....was a very flawed process.

Vindication for instigating changes that go to the heart of the party comes slowly. That vindication takes a while.
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 08:18 PM
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1. Yep. Howard Dean has made
a huge difference with his 50 state strategy.

I saw him yesterday here in Santa Fe. He's on a bus tour promoting Obama, of course, but also the Democrats running for Senate and House of Representatives here in NM. With him were Derek Fisher of the Lakers, Kal Penn of the Harold and Kumar movies, and Jill Cooper Udall, wife of Tom Udall who's running for the Senate. Nice little rally with nice talks by everyone, especially Dean. I expect the bus is going around the country (he did say they'd started out in Crawford, Texas) with some different people on board in different states.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 09:36 PM
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24. The bus rolled into Denver today...
And he was in Phoenix yesterday at a fundraiser with Scarlet Johanssen...spelling?

Yes, has been all over with various people.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 08:24 PM
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2. From the Lambro article....Lanny Davis at it again.
http://www.washtimes.com/news/2008/aug/22/dean-strategy-converts-skeptics/print/

Here is what he said:

Democratic strategist Lanny Davis, a former adviser to President Clinton, said Mr. Dean deserves "a great deal of credit" for his party-rebuilding plan but also criticism for the way he dealt with the party's internal battles over this year's primary schedule and delegate controversies.

"The big minus is his failure to show leadership in the party's dispute over the Michigan and Florida primaries" that violated party scheduling rules, forcing the DNC to strip them of their convention delegates, Mr. Davis said.

The fight over the two delegations led to major tensions between Mr. Obama and rival Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York.

"There was an opportunity to fix that by having a revote, but Mr. Dean was very inflexible. It was a failure of leadership that disappointed me. He's supposed to be a political leader and seek out solutions," Mr. Davis said. "The irony is that Obama has asked that both delegations be fully seated."


But the truth is that Dean okayed the revote under party rules...it was the Florida House Democrats who refused the revote.

That just angers me.



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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 08:33 PM
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4. If there was an Academy Award for Whiners....
Davis would win it hands down. He's really burned his "bridges" in the last few years, imo, and is becoming increasingly irrelevant.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 08:59 PM
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9. And I've always thought he has a half dozen sockpuppets here.
x(

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 09:12 PM
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17. Or more...
Go Georgia for Obama!
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 09:51 PM
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26. LOL! Didn't think of that, Lanny would whine they weren't whiny enough though!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 08:59 PM
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10. When I hear Lanny speak....
I think of the crying baby picture. It personifies his personality.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 01:21 AM
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41. I need to find that picture.
.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 08:31 PM
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3. Always a K & R laying around somewhere....
for the Chairman!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 12:11 AM
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39. Glad to hear that.
He's a good man.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 08:33 PM
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5. One big fat KnR
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MicaelS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 08:34 PM
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6. The 50 State Strategy
Seems so obvious, it's pathetic that no one thought it important before. Great article, thanks for the link.
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 08:56 PM
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8. "This is how we've always done it," while usually unspoken, is a powerful meme
It takes a lot of guts for somebody to jump in and radically change things, especially at a time when the stakes are high.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 09:29 PM
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20. Good statement...."we have always done it this way"...the theme
of many Democrats for years.
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 12:20 AM
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40. Yeah, and
It was a self-fulfilling prophecy. Howard Dean rescued the Democratic party in the nick of time and I, for one, will be eternally grateful. I want my party and my country back. Dr Dean has made it possible.
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 08:49 PM
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7. K & R
50 state strategy is long-overdue common sense.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 11:06 AM
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50. It's a 49 state strategy.
Flori-duh still don't get it.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 01:24 PM
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55. I am afraid you are right.
Florida is just different.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 09:02 PM
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11. Howard Dean and Barack Obama are the two main reasons I am still a Democrat.
Howard, you've done great on the 50-state strategy, NOW WE HAVE A BIT OVER TWO MONTHS TO FIX THE VOTING MACHINE PROBLEM. What are you doing about that? Cause it can unravel every good thing You and Obama have set in motion.


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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 09:02 PM
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12. Until we change the electoral system...
the swing states will always determine the outcome. the 50-state strategy is great in theory, but Wyoming's electoral votes won't mean jack shit in the scheme of things. The electoral process is messed up, but it's all we got.
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 10:37 PM
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29. How do you change the electoral system?
You need to tackle it at the state level. That is another aspect of the 50-state strategy. We need to gain control of state legislatures, and statewide offices. Look at what a difference having a democratic Secretary of State in Ohio makes.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 10:50 PM
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35. I remember that taking back the state houses was a main goal of Dean
He said there was not much we could change until we did.
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LonelyLRLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 09:54 AM
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46. DUPE - ignore
Edited on Sat Aug-23-08 09:55 AM by LonelyLRLiberal
Are we going to have the election stolen from us again in Ohio?
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LonelyLRLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 09:54 AM
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47. For us non-Ohioans, maybe a separate thread on what the Dem SOS is doing?
Are we going to have the election stolen from us again in Ohio?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 11:16 AM
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51. Here's something that Brunner is doing
http://www.cleveland.com/open/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/isope/1218097815245790.xml&coll=2

Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner sues voting-machine maker Premier Election Solutions
Wants payment for problems

"Columbus- Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner wants Premier Election Solutions to pay for voting machine problems in 11 of 44 counties that use the company's equipment.

In a filing in Franklin County Common Pleas Court on Wednesday, Brunner said malfunctions with Premier equipment caused votes to be dropped in the March primary, although they were later recovered and counted by election workers.

Premier, a division of Diebold Inc., has attributed the problem to a conflict between its election management software and an anti-virus program, and the company has been advising election officials on how to cope with it, a company spokesman said. The company also is seeking a long-term fix."

Do a news search on Jennifer Brunner...she's a busy lady tracking down election fraud.

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LonelyLRLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 03:49 PM
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57. I hope she has backup in the legislature to fix the voter fraud in Ohio.
I don't ever want to know that the Republicans have stolen another election.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 09:04 PM
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13. Thank you, Chairman Dean.
You remade the position of DNC Chairman to put some of the power of the party in every corner of America, instead of playing defense from behind the battlements.

:patriot:
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eljefe2 Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 09:06 PM
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14. great
great news
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gratefultobelib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 09:10 PM
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16. Welcome! This is a lively place!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 09:09 PM
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15. Dean's been a pure alchemist and turned his
work into gold. I really like Michael Tomaskey who used to write for New York Magazine when I first read him. I was concerned about the New York Governors race and he had high hopes for Spitzer(we all did).

This article is gold, mad..thanks! :hi:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 09:12 PM
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18. Tomasky has been pretty much fair about Dean all along.
Aside from a few articles way back.

:hi:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 09:13 PM
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19. He must not have known what we
knew all along:D
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 09:49 PM
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25. How right you are.
:hi:
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 09:30 PM
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21. Pusillanimity
There's a word you won't be seeing anytime soon in any U.S. newspapers. I had to look it up, and I'm totally sesquipedalian!

Means timid and weak-willed, which sadly is an apt description.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 09:32 PM
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22. Now doggone it...Now I have to look up "sesquipedalian"
:hi:

Now that is a lot of work.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 09:33 PM
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23. Ha Ha. Good one. I looked it up in my little Word Web.
Love it.
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 10:23 PM
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27. They don't have this kind of fun on free republic. (nt)
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 10:27 PM
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28. LOL
They don't know how to use a dictionary there.

:rofl:
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 10:47 PM
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31. If they did...
...they'd know how to spell "series" and "moran".
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 10:49 PM
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32. And hugh.
:o
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 10:53 PM
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36. Dear me, how could I forget hugh.
I must be some kind of series moran.
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 10:44 PM
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30. Interesting point.
I used to live in Kansas, and I know at least one State Rep who has served as both a Republican, and more recently as a Democrat. She said any number of times that the Democrats have a lot more fun, and that the Republicans were always very uptight about which branch of the party (and in Kansas there's a very clear divide between the right-wing fundamentalists and the more normal ones)was paying attention. She said you never felt free to express what you felt, for fear it would be reported to the higher-ups in the party.
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 10:50 PM
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34. Makes sense.
Uptight, paranoid, backstabbing, sucking up... Sounds like most Republicans I know.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 10:50 PM
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33. I loves me some Howard Dean!
Always have,always will. And I think you rock MF. :toast:

Julie
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 11:12 PM
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37. Thanks for that, Julie.
I just thought these two articles in unexpected places were great.

:hi:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 11:52 PM
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38. A caller to CNN just now did exactly what was in my 2nd quote box.
Just exactly. So tired of hearing about it.
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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 01:31 AM
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42. Dean has forced the GOP to spend money defending seats they'd taken for granted
I have never been a Terry McCauliffe fan, and I was infuriated in 2002 by how many close, winnable elections we found ways to lose. Shaheen/Sununu would be a prime example, and I bring that up because it's being recontested this time.

McCauliffe was a big-money fundraiser. Both Dean and, shortly thereafter, John Kerry really mastered how to raise a lot of money by getting small contributions from a lot of people. Dean has changed the way we raise funds and organize.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 10:40 AM
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49. That was one of his stated goals when he became chair.
Make them defend those safe red seats so they can't hoard that money.

Obama has believed in that as well. Now the GOP has to spend their money where they never thought they would have to spend it.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 03:46 AM
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43. KnR. I love Howard Dean. Putting him in charge was the best thing we ever did. nt
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RelativelyJones Donating Member (162 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 04:05 AM
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44. Glad to see Dean get the credit he deserves.
Schumer and Rahm Emanuel tried to highjack this in 2006.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 04:28 AM
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45. Mediocre fundraiser?
I thought he was doing pretty well until Obama diverted a lot of cash into the presidential race. Seems like an inevitable thing in a presidential year.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 12:24 PM
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52. You are right. Overall he did well.
Actually at times he outraised the DCCC and the DSCC. He just did not bank the money as those committees could. He spent it on paid staffers to rebuild state parties.

He never had as much in the bank, as he was spending it in the states.

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Patiod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 10:01 AM
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48. Wow, talk about highest and best use
He's right where he should be. I was a Deaniac from early days, but always wondered if the average Joe or Jane who was not a political-junkie would get him.

He's just where he should be now - helping to take our country back, both from Republicans and from those inside the party who mismanaged for so long

Thank you, Chairman Dean! :patriot:
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 12:51 PM
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53. Big K & R !!!
:bounce::kick::bounce:
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 01:23 PM
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54. Let's send the good Doctor
back to the top, where he belongs. If we had a few more like him, we could change the direction of this country.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 03:02 PM
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56. Just noticed...
you posted at 2:23...at 4:00 it was back on page 4 already.

Quick drop.
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