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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:14 PM
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I was never in favor of Hillary as the VP choice, but I have changed my mind
Edited on Wed Aug-20-08 03:17 PM by nomad1776
I had two main reasons why I didn't want her as VP

1) She respresented more change (which Americans are not all that comfortable with) since she would be the first woman VP to go with the first non white President

2) She would rile up the Right Wing Nuts.

Now I have seen the Right Wing Nuts attack Obama with their usual lustful zeal. So I have seen that number 2 is going to be a non-issue.

That left we with reason number 1. Well I have noticed there are many die hard Hillary supporters that refuse to let go. I am now thinking that the few people that would be lost because of the drastic change an Obama/Clinton ticket would mean, would be more than offset by bringing the Hillary supporters back into the fold.

Now feel free to flame away. Just be warned that it will do you little good, as I have given this matter considerable thought and didn't arrive at this conclusion lightly.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:16 PM
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1. Wow. n/t
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:16 PM
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2. Let me be first to welcome you and your rationale is sound.
You are not alone. It's a building consensus and you will be vindicated.

It's going to be Hillary and it will be a great thing. :hi:
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:17 PM
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3. And another kick for nomad and Unity.
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:18 PM
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4. Not a good choice for Obama.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:19 PM
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5. Here
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:19 PM
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6. so you truly thought another thread was necessary? or is this just part of the Google-bomb?
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:20 PM
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7. They're sensing the possibility of HRC as VP slipping away, so this is their full-court press

But the decision's already been made.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:22 PM
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10. What's a google bomb? nt
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:27 PM
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21. a google bomb is a flood of posts on blogs all over the web
in an attempt to bring said subject up to the top of Google's search page
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:31 PM
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27. It certainly looks like something organized, I find that sad ... as many of these
"DU members" have over a thousand posts. It's not believable that they don't see all the repeated threads, so it must be coordinated at least in mind set, and that mind set is destructive. (And fruitless).
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:45 PM
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34. and incredibly lame
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:22 PM
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13. I have been a die hard Obama supporter
as such, I am not someone that can be accused of pushing for my candidate even in defeat. Nor am I someone that was easily persuaded to support an Obama/Clinton ticket. So I think my thoughts have some distinct merit. Still I guess if you want to be irrational about it, you could accuse this thread of being part of some tinfoil hat Google-Bomb plot.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:29 PM
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22. What happened? You don't trust him anymore? He made his decision in Hawaii
This coordinated effort to try and force his hand is too late.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:30 PM
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25. Who is to say he hasn't picked Hillary?
Seems to me she is just as likely to be the choice as anyone else.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:32 PM
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30. You are not reading or listening if you think that! nt
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:34 PM
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32. yeah the media and the blogs are always right
no point in waiting for the actual announcement. The Obama camp made an effort to keep this search under wraps and it appears they have done a very good job of it.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:47 PM
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36. do you really believe that?
when Bill and Hillary started showing out a few weeks back was when they got the news she wasn't a contender
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tedoll78 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:21 PM
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8. Prepare for the onslaught.
You may have been around here for a while, but that won't stop people from attacking you as a disruptor or "bad Democrat" or PUMA or whatever other unimaginative/freeperesque/"get-in-line" thing they can come-up with.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:21 PM
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9. Send in the Puppies, where is the Puppies person?? !! (sorry but these posts are repetitive) nt
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tokenlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:22 PM
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11. I've warmed up to Hillary too...
A lot of the reasons people attacked Hillary can be equally attributed to Biden. Therefore, if I can't have my first tier Clark, Richardson, or Schweitzer---I would think Hillary a fine choice.

All the fear of Bill is overdone in my view--I think he can be kept occupied with his foundation work and Hillary would be an asset in getting health care through the congress.

The party would be unified and fired up as well---
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Erin Elizabeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:22 PM
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12. Wait. Are people getting paid to do this?
Because as much as I think that's a horrific idea (Clinton as VP) and it's never gonna happen and never was going to happen, I'm all for making a few bucks. Where do I apply?
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:25 PM
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15. I suggest you go back and google search my GDP posts
you will find I have been a die hard Obamam supporter. You will also find I did not want Hillary as the VP. So this would have to be another tinfoil hat theory. I have to admit I am a little frightened at the rash of irrational thoughts being developed on this board. Admittedly after Obmama clinched the nomination I didn't post here all that much (preferring the lounge) but damn.
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Erin Elizabeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:31 PM
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28. Just look at all the numbers of Hillary for VP threads here.
You don't need to have a tinfoil hat to see them all and how they've cropped up just in the last couple of days.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:32 PM
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31. You can see the threads
but it takes one with a tinfoil hat to start seeing conspiracy theories.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:25 PM
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16. Major e-mailing campaign came out today and yesterday
Published:Wednesday, August 20, 2008

Scripps Howard News Service

WASHINGTON A massive e-mail and Internet campaign is under way aimed at derailing the nomination of Barack Obama and making Hillary Clinton the partys standard bearer next week at the Democratic National Convention in Denver.

Its downright nasty, said Memphis, Tenn., superdelegate and city council member Myron Lowery, who has shared dozens of the messages hes received with The (Memphis) Commercial Appeal newspaper.

I think its divisive for the Support Hillary campaign to continue at this time. She made the decision to fully support Mr. Obama, said Lowery, who initially supported Clinton but later switched his allegiance to Obama. I dont know why theyre not taking their cue from Hillary and falling in line.

Lowery said he does not believe Clinton herself is behind the effort, but that its her supporters, acting on their own because theyre proud of what they have done for her.
http://www.vindy.com/news/2008/aug/20/hillary-clinton-s... /
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Erin Elizabeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:26 PM
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19. But where do I sign up to get PAID?
Because seriously, this is definitely a coordinated effort we're seeing here.

:crazy:

God, I wish I could find someone in real life willing to bet $5000 that she's going to be the VP. I'd make so much damn money.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:31 PM
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26. LOL! Too true! n/t
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:30 PM
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24. Oh my! Very interesting!
I am sure all the H threads on DU are mere coincidence, though, and have NOTHING to do with this! :rofl:
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:24 PM
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14. OMG! You are the FIRST person to start a thread like this! Wow!
Oh....never mind....you are way behind, many have come before you, sorry.

:rofl:
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:25 PM
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17. I feel like Marie Osmond on Dancing with the Stars
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:26 PM
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18. I want Obama to pick
whoever will do him the most good. If it's Hillary, fine by me.

I like Biden because he'd be a good attack dog. IF Hillary can pull that off, good for her.

I just want this over. I am getting very stressed out. McCain really creeps me out and I want Obama in the White House so bad I can taste it.
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:27 PM
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20. Pros and cons
There's lots of hard feelings from the primary, but putting those aside, would she be the best choice?

Pro - She'll get a lot of press. She is good with a soundbyte. She knows her stuff. She can attack. She has her share of strong supporters and they don't completely overlap with Obama voters.

Cons - lots of Independents and Republicans people still hate her. She might be the issue instead of Obama or the economy etc. The videos of her saying McCain was more qualified than Obama. She and Bill would be loose cannons or at least uncontrollable and unpredictable during the election. Same after the election.

Do the pros outweigh the cons? Is there anyone else whose pros more outweigh their cons? The answer to that is above my pay grade.





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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:29 PM
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23. She would bring that one thing none of the others could
the splintered Dems who would otherwise not vote. Take that one out of the equation and I think she still could stack up well against the other options. I would consider Clark to be the only one with a better ratio.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:32 PM
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29. Those weren't my reasons that I didn't want hillary on
our Obama ticket..and mine still stand.

She lies too easily and is all about her power hungry clinton machine(goodbye people).

I've had enough of bill clinton and his filthy drama churn out machine.
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1Hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:47 PM
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35. Who is winning the contest to see how many times HRC's name can be posted today? n/t
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FunkyLeprechaun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:52 PM
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37. WHY WHY
Must this be brought up.. it's a GIANT smokescreen and Obama will bring out a VP nominee we won't have expected!

If Obama says we won't be surprised, we'll have to be NOT surprised according to Obama's personality!
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Duncan Donating Member (498 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 04:19 PM
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38. She would drag Obama down.
They will play clips of her saying McCain would make a better POS over and over.

That alone is enough reason for her not to be VP.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 04:21 PM
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39. Obama needs the clintons like a fish needs a bicycle. n/t
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