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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:04 PM
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Hillary Backers In Pennsylvania Meet Privately With Top McCain Adviser
Hillary Backers In Pennsylvania Meet Privately With Top McCain Adviser
By Greg Sargent - August 20, 2008, 9:38AM
An odd little scoop from Pennsylvania's Scranton Times:

A brother of New York Sen. Hillary Clinton and local Democrats who backed her unsuccessful presidential campaign socialized privately Monday with a top surrogate of the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, Arizona Sen. John McCain.
The private gathering featured Carly Fiorina, Mr. McCain's top economic adviser, and took place at the Dunmore home of political consultant Jamie Brazil, a longtime friend of Mrs. Clinton's family who has signed on as paid national director of Mr. McCain's Citizens for McCain Coalition.

The attendees included Tony Rodham, Mrs. Clinton's youngest sibling, his wife, Megan, and their two children; attorney Kathleen Granahan Kane, who coordinated Mrs. Clinton's presidential campaign in Northeast Pennsylvania during the primary election; and Virginia McGregor, sister of Scranton Mayor Chris Doherty.

With the Democratic National Convention less than a week away, the gathering raises questions about the support Illinois Sen. Barack Obama can expect from former local supporters of Mrs. Clinton, who dominated at the polls in the Northeast in the April primary election.


Via Mark Halperin, who calls it "essential reading." Obama's Pennsylvania campaign, wisely, declined to comment.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/08...
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:05 PM
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1. Poisonous snakes....and absolute trash.
Edited on Wed Aug-20-08 01:06 PM by marmar
May they rot in pieces.

:argh:


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Chloroplast Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:07 PM
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3. What on earth were they thinking?
Did they stop to think how this would make Clinton look?
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:08 PM
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4. They probably asked her permission....
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Chloroplast Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:28 PM
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20. And that's the saddest part.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:08 PM
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5. Vile people
I'm sure the DNC in PA is taking notes.
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:11 PM
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6. Looks like her vileness runs in the family. n/t
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:12 PM
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7. Aren't the Rodhams republicans anyway?
We know she came from a republican family and only went Democratic after meeting Bill. Did the rest of her family stay republican?
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:21 PM
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19. Yes, she came from a staunchly Republican family.
Hillary was a Republican through her first year at Wellesley. She was the president of the Young Republicans, but she moved away from the party due to various factors, one of them being the Vietnam war. Hillary did not meet Bill until years later at Yale Law School.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:12 PM
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8. They may see the writing on the wall from the way the campaign is going
and figure we're not going to have a (D) incumbent in 2012.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:12 PM
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9. this is thread number...SIX... I think...
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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:13 PM
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10. Sorry.........I did a searched and didn't see it
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:13 PM
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12. Do you consider it an insignificant event? If so... you'll be surprised to note that I agree.....

These are marginalized people..... statistical noise.



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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:15 PM
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14. only significant to the crazed Clinton haters on DU... but then again...
... they read something into it everytime Bill Clinton farts.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:42 PM
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23. And others, like yourself, think Bill Clinton's farts don't stink....

Just kidding....


;-)
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:48 PM
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29. I have my problems with him because no one is perfect.. but the people obsessing on him here...
...has reached levels not seen since the Ken Starr days.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:43 PM
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27. Yes I'm sure Hillary's Brother and Campaign Chief for North Eastern PA
Having tea with the enemy in a swing state is nothing :sarcasm:

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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:48 PM
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30. Hillary is not their keeper.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:08 PM
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42. Seeing that Patti Solis Doyle
had the decency to calll her before she took the job with Obama, I wonder if Hillary got a call before her bro and one of her former campaign big wigs went sipping tea with Carly?

This is disgusting and there is no defense for this.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:14 PM
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46. completely irrelevant
Hillary is not responsible for anyone's political work but her own.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:25 PM
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53. There will be no 2012
Just so you know.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:27 PM
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55. Sure there will. Are you nuts? It comes right after 2011 and before 2013
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:30 PM
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57. You know what I mean
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:31 PM
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58. yes, but I have no idea why you went off topic to say it.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:42 PM
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59. Just a reminder
She will not be President till 2016.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:47 PM
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61. ummm why do you feel the need to remind yourself of that?
:shrug:

Are you still stressing over the primaries? I'm not, but I reserve the right to discuss Hillary Clinton positively.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:53 PM
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35. I'll post another on that note
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Erin Elizabeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:13 PM
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11. Fuck all the poisonous Clintons.
And I don't care what anyone thinks of that sentiment, either. We need them like we need a collective case of ebola.
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:18 PM
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17. Wow, you've got a bad case of CDS. Really, how are you any different than the PUMAs?
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Erin Elizabeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:41 PM
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22. Let me guess: I don't worship the Clintons?
Put me on ignore if you don't like what I'm saying.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:42 PM
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26. yup, the polar opposite. Still obsessive.
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Erin Elizabeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:51 PM
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33. Obsessive about what, exactly?
Edited on Wed Aug-20-08 01:52 PM by Erin Elizabeth
I said I think the Clintons are poisonous. Having that opinion does not make one "obsessive." It's just called an opinion. Like I said before, if you don't like it, SKIP IT.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:57 PM
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36. obsessive about the Clintons. YOU. And that's my opinion. Don't like it, skip it.
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Erin Elizabeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:00 PM
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39. ROFL. Yeah. What I'd like them to do is to buy an island
somewhere in the middle of the Pacific and move there permanently. That's called "wanting them to go away forever." Quite the opposite of being obsessed with someone. I'd love it if I never saw or heard their name again.

And she's not going to be VP and never had a chance at it.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:04 PM
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40. that's called an "obsession."
The fact you would dream up such a grand and silly fate for the Clintons ... obsessive.
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Erin Elizabeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:16 PM
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48. Yeah it took a lot of time and energy to think that up.
As much time as it took to type it out. About five seconds, maybe less. I think you're obsessed with saying I'm obsessed. :rofl:
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:18 PM
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49. it's the emotion it took to do it. Along with you "Fuck all the poisonous Clintons."
Edited on Wed Aug-20-08 02:18 PM by wyldwolf
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Erin Elizabeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:21 PM
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51. Oh no, not emotion!
So if you feel anything about anything you are obsessed with it?

You're silly. Oh no wait, I guess I'm obsessed with you because I just said you're silly! :crazy:
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:22 PM
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52. that's what fuels obsessiveness. And you got it big time!
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Erin Elizabeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:26 PM
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Do you just play a psychiatrist on the internet?
I think the fark forums miss you, dude.

Does it bother you when people say they wish the Clintons would go away forever? I can say it a few more times for you, if you'd like. :rofl:

Aaaand now I'm officially bored by you. Go find someone else to play with.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:28 PM
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56. do you just play a hate-crazed politico on the internet?
Or do you blame the Clintons for your constipation each morning?


:rofl:
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:10 PM
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44. They would kill each other. n/t
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:52 PM
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34. I don't put people on ignore. I don't like echo chambers.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:42 PM
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25. Um.... he supports the nominee instead of opposing him?
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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:14 PM
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13. This article is bullshit.
or at least your headline is.
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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:16 PM
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15. It's not my headline...................... it came from TPM......
Hillary Backers In Pennsylvania Meet Privately With Top McCain Adviser
By Greg Sargent - August 20, 2008, 9:38AM
An odd little scoop from Pennsylvania's Scranton Times:

A brother of New York Sen. Hillary Clinton and local Democrats who backed her unsuccessful presidential campaign socialized privately Monday with a top surrogate of the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, Arizona Sen. John McCain.
The private gathering featured Carly Fiorina, Mr. McCain's top economic adviser, and took place at the Dunmore home of political consultant Jamie Brazil, a longtime friend of Mrs. Clinton's family who has signed on as paid national director of Mr. McCain's Citizens for McCain Coalition.

The attendees included Tony Rodham, Mrs. Clinton's youngest sibling, his wife, Megan, and their two children; attorney Kathleen Granahan Kane, who coordinated Mrs. Clinton's presidential campaign in Northeast Pennsylvania during the primary election; and Virginia McGregor, sister of Scranton Mayor Chris Doherty.

With the Democratic National Convention less than a week away, the gathering raises questions about the support Illinois Sen. Barack Obama can expect from former local supporters of Mrs. Clinton, who dominated at the polls in the Northeast in the April primary election.


Via Mark Halperin, who calls it "essential reading." Obama's Pennsylvania campaign, wisely, declined to comment. It's hard to gauge how much this matters, but it seems worth digging into a bit.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/08...
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:49 PM
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31. From Mark Halperin? RW Mark Halperin? Rove's buddy?
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:08 PM
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43. Follow the TPM link. Then TPM links to the Scranton Times/Trib
article. Halperin isn't the one who wrote it. He just says it's required reading.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:15 PM
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47. Why do you think he want's you to read that?
Edited on Wed Aug-20-08 02:40 PM by Marrah_G
It was a social event. The children were even there. This was not a political meeting. They were at a social gathering at a family friend's home.

Mark is Rove's buddy. Now why do you think he wanted you to read the scranton gossip?

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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:56 PM
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65. Exactly. It's another DESPERATE Rove trick to twist and spin things
Edited on Wed Aug-20-08 02:56 PM by bushisanidiot
to look bad for presumed winner, Obama.

If the friendship between Hillary's brother and the McCain "advisor" were a newly formed friendship, maybe we'd have something to worry about. But why would two people from opposite ends of the political spectrum STOP their longtime friendship because their favor candidates are opposing eachother? I have several friends who are republican, I just don't care to talk politics with them. I would bet that this social gathering (which they brought their kids to) didn't contain much in the way of politics.. it was most likely a much needed A BREAK from it between politically different friends.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:16 PM
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16. Carly Fiorina was once HPs chief executive. Her time there was rocky.
She merged the company with rival Compaq in 2002. Walter Hewlett opposed the merger. During her time at HP, the company's stock value dropped by half, and the company suffered heavy job losses. However, this was at a time when the wider DJIA lost roughly half its value as well. During this time, HP suffered a brain drain of management talent, mostly on the Compaq side after the merger.

Famous quote while she was at HP:

"There is no job that is America's God-given right anymore. We have to compete for jobs as a nation."

This angered workers, who feel that the attitude was causing corporations to use less-qualified, less-trained workers overseas simply because they work for very low wages.

In the end, the Board of Directors fired her.
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:19 PM
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18. Via MARK HALPERIN???
As in Republican operative/commentator Mark Halperin?

If that's the source, then you might as well use Fox as your news station, too.

Just in case the other side is looking to stir up some trouble, this needs more
looking into before being accepted as gospel.
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:33 PM
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21. Why?
It's a hit piece against the Clintons, isn't it? Who needs verification of anything? All we need to know is that Mark Halperin,, fine upstanding newsman that he is, said so!

Oh, and, did you hear they found Big Foot's body?
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:26 PM
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54. In the trunk of Mark Halperin's car, probably
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:07 PM
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41. The post links to TPM and TPM links to the Scranton newspaper.
So this isn't Mark Halperin saying anything other than it's important to read the Scranton article.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:10 PM
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45. Yes a rw pundit is pointing you to the social page
Where Hillary's brother went to a social function with his CHILDREN at an old friends house. Also attending was one of McCains advisors. This was not a political meeting.

Now why do you think this RW buddy of Rove's wanted people to read that? Perhaps so they would jump to conclusions and further divide us?
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:46 PM
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60. Sorry, it's on front page of the news section. Front page news article.
Not saying it's that big a deal, but it's not the society pages, either.

On the other hand, maybe it is a big deal.

Either way, it's news and it has to do with the GE.

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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:51 PM
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63. It's her younger brother and his children going to a party at an old family friends home.
For all anyone knows it was a birthday party or some similar event. The OP makes it sound like a clandestine political meeting. That simply is not the case.

It is a RW asshole trying to further divide our party by spreading gossip and innuendo. Please don't fall for it.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:42 PM
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24. Maybe they're writing the next anti-Obama ad.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:47 PM
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28. Nice hit piece from a RW pundit- You did exactly what they wanted you to do.
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:19 PM
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50. Exactly....
I can't stand this.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:50 PM
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32. Damn them all to Hell!
What a bunch of worthless human beings.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:58 PM
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37. Hugh is married to a right wing Cuban American who influenced the Clintons, FYI nt
from Wikipedia:

Hugh Rodham moved to Miami, where he began to practice criminal law;<3> from around 1980 he became a public defender in Dade County.<4><5> Rodham married Maria Victoria Arias, a Cuban immigrant lawyer whom he met while she was interning at the public defender's office, in 1986; they lived in Coral Gables, Florida.<3><2>
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:00 PM
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38. I will say this one time only.
If Hillary is proven to be egging these Republican disruptors on behind the scenes, if she is playing fast and loose with this election by continuing to undermine it, and then attempts a run in 2012, I will actively work to see that she does not win then. She will not have my vote or my support. Period.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:48 PM
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62. I think all this late info is a push from the Clinton Gang to put Hillary on the ticket.
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:56 PM
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64. I note that if took mere seconds for the "who you gonna believe, me or you lying eyes?" folks to
to show up in this thread and start making excuses for this kind of PUMA behavior. Interesting, that.

And if anyone really believes HRC's brother didn't run this by his sibling for her approval before attending this event, then you're just willfully ignorant. It's more dog-whistling to their embittered supporters from the dynamic duo.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:20 PM
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70. Mark Halperin thanks you for doing exactly what he wanted you do.
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:55 PM
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73. You mean Mark Halperin forced HRC's brother to convene a meeting of PUMA'S? Really???
Wow, that's one powerful dude - I had no idea.

( :eyes: )
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:58 PM
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66. oh that is such a load of crap!
seriously. :eyes:
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1Hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:00 PM
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67. Look down the list of posters. The same HRC supporter crowd that won't give up. It gets old. n/t
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apnu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:02 PM
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68. Good we know who to kick when McCain is President.
Seriously some people can't keep their eye on the ball to save their lives.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:19 PM
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69. And some people are easily manipulated by karl rove's buddies
You didn't really read and think about the actual story. Instead you assumed exactly what Mark Halperin (RW asshole) wanted you to.
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apnu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:34 PM
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72. Nope I didn't. I stand by my statement -- side with McCain, help McCain and they're scum.
People siding with the GOP because Hillary didn't get the big ticket are no different than Joe Lieberman. Sore losers. They need to STFU or get out of the party. I don't care which.
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71. and people think hillary should be vp??
if this is what her people do???
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