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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 06:35 AM
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Reuters bulletin: McCain 46, Obama 41 - Reuters/Zogby poll (no article yet)
McCain leads Obama 46 percent to 41 percent in presidential race: Reuters/Zogby poll 7:00am EDT

Reuters home page - no article yet: http://www.reuters.com
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 06:37 AM
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1. Ruck Fussia
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If the pundits are to be believed, McSame has benefited from the situation in Georgia.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 06:47 AM
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The pundits MADE him benefit--because they told us he would benefit.
If someone tells the unwashed lo-info public that one particular candidate has an advantage on the issue of the day, the public automatically believes it. If the pundits trumpeted Obama as the hero for his measured, appropriate response to the situation, the public would start to believe that as well. The media is doing its best to see McLame win.
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JoshDem Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 06:38 AM
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2. Wow--what an incredible turn of events.
Hopefully a more aggressive Obama, a good vp choice and a successful convention can turn things around.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 06:44 AM
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3. I feel sick to my stomach.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 06:55 AM
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7. Please.... quit letting polls get you too up or too down.....

There's no way Obama's support is only 41%.


Outlier.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 06:58 AM
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8. I know I shouldn't--but it's like a punch to the gut first thing in the morning.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 06:47 AM
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4. The poll was taken Thursday through Saturday as Obama wrapped up a weeklong vacation...
Edited on Wed Aug-20-08 06:50 AM by jefferson_dem
In the political world, these data are a bit stale, eh. And how the hell does McCrypt have an edge on manager of the economy?

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - In a sharp turnaround, Republican John McCain has opened a 5-point lead on Democrat Barack Obama in the U.S. presidential race and is seen as a stronger manager of the economy, according to a Reuters/Zogby poll released on Wednesday.

McCain leads Obama among likely U.S. voters by 46 percent to 41 percent, wiping out Obama's solid 7-point advantage in July and taking his first lead in the monthly Reuters/Zogby poll.

The reversal follows a month of attacks by McCain, who has questioned Obama's experience, criticized his opposition to most new offshore oil drilling and mocked his overseas trip.

The poll was taken Thursday through Saturday as Obama wrapped up a weeklong vacation in Hawaii that ceded the political spotlight to McCain, who seized on Russia's invasion of Georgia to emphasize his foreign policy views.

"There is no doubt the campaign to discredit Obama is paying off for McCain right now," pollster John Zogby said. "This is a significant ebb for Obama."

McCain now has a 9-point edge, 49 percent to 40 percent, over Obama on the critical question of who would be the best manager of the economy -- an issue nearly half of voters said was their top concern in the November 4 presidential election.

That margin reversed Obama's 4-point edge last month on the economy over McCain, an Arizona senator and former Vietnam prisoner of war who has admitted a lack of economic expertise and shows far greater interest in foreign and military policy.

http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUKN194867242...
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wilt the stilt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 06:52 AM
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5. Go to Zogby
and look deeper into the poll. Supposedly, he lost support in 2 major groups, women and democrats. I don't believe that he has lost support in either group. Let's see the others come in.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 06:54 AM
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6. If he's losing support among women, then it just shows to me that
women don't care about their own rights. Sickening.
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wilt the stilt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 07:08 AM
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9. Does anyone believe he has lost support among democrats
in this poll he dropped from 83% support to 74% support among democrats. If there isn't a more bogus number I don't know one. I bet Obama has at least 90% support among democrats.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 07:12 AM
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12. Well, it seems hard to believe, but I can't just dismiss polls whose
results I hate, any more than I dismiss those whose results I agree with. Where are these Democrats going, and why? Why would they want another Republican?
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JoshDem Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 07:27 AM
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14. Obama Campaign is to Blame
He is going to Europe and Hawaii and meanwhile McCain has been advertising like crazy in the Olympics and defining Obama as a tax and spend liberal and one who is inexperienced on defence--and its working.
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Alter Ego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 07:29 AM
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15. Mr. Blitzer, don't you have better things to do than post on internet message boards?
He didn't go to Europe on vacation--no matter what McCain wants you to believe, and I don't think him going on vacation to Hawaii with his family because he's burned out after more than 6 months of campaigning and needs a little downtime to recharge is something anyone with a brain would blame him for.
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NotThisTime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 07:10 AM
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10. If this country elect McCain they get what they serve /nt
After 8 years of Bush you'd think they'd learn, but no... sabre rattling pays off again.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 07:11 AM
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11. Hasn't Zogby's Polls been way off?
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Alter Ego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 07:15 AM
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13. It's a poll of LIKELY VOTERS.
Sound familiar? It's because we've seen this before--another group did one that gave McCain a 4-point lead a while back, only to see it completely shredded due to untrustworthy methodology.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 07:34 AM
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16. Zogby was soooo reliable in the primaries
:eyes:
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chitty Donating Member (918 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 07:38 AM
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17. Hmmmmm.............
When do we start worrying?
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Baclava Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 09:43 AM
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29. After the conventions....worry then.
More pre-game hype.
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Azathoth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 07:47 AM
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18. Zogby is hopefully an outlier, but it doesn't change the fact that Obama is in trouble
He had an 8-12 point lead coming out of the primaries, and now the polls have him barely breaking even with McCain. It's the trend that counts, and the trend is not encouraging at all.

Letting McCain have free reign of the airwaves for the bulk of the summer was a bad, bad idea.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 07:50 AM
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19. "Free reign of the airwaves for the bulk of the summer?" Bullsh*t!
Edited on Wed Aug-20-08 07:50 AM by flpoljunkie
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Azathoth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 07:58 AM
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21. Yes, you heard me
Edited on Wed Aug-20-08 07:58 AM by Azathoth
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/08...

This just confirms what anyone who has spent a little time in the battleground states already knows: until very recently, Obama was nowhere to be seen while McCain had ads all over the place, pounding away mercilessly.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 08:13 AM
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22. Oama has been running hard hitting ads in the battleground states for several weeks, including radio
Although, I understand McCain has spent more money--particularly on the 'Brittney Spears' ad.

McCain lied when he said he would run an honorable campaign, yet the media chooses not to call him on it.
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Azathoth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 08:26 AM
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24. Of course McCain lied
Edited on Wed Aug-20-08 08:26 AM by Azathoth
This is a guy who was willing to become Dubya's personal towel boy just to get a second shot at running for president. Ambition has eclipsed any sense of honor or dignity he might once have had.

But that's no excuse for the Obama campaign to sit on its heels for eight weeks. I spent a good part of the summer in Pennsylvania (and a little time in Ohio), and I can tell you that I saw/heard at least 10 McCain ads for every Obama ad. When they say that McCain "vastly" outspent Obama, they aren't exaggerating.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 08:37 AM
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25. Did you see this from the NYT today? 'Obama's Ads in Key States Go on Attack'
August 20, 2008

Obamas Ads in Key States Go on Attack
By JIM RUTENBERG

WASHINGTON Senator Barack Obama has started a sustained and hard-hitting advertising campaign against Senator John McCain in states that will be vital this fall, painting Mr. McCain in a series of commercials as disconnected from the economic struggles of the middle class.

Mr. Obama has begun the drive with little fanfare, often eschewing the modern campaign technique of unveiling new spots for the news media before they run in an effort to win added (free) attention. Mr. Obama, whose candidacy has been built in part on a promise to transcend traditional politics, is running the negative commercials on local stations even as he runs generally positive spots nationally, during prime-time coverage of the Olympics.

The negative spots reflect the sharper tone Mr. Obama has struck in recent days on the stump as he heads into his partys nominating convention in Denver next week, and seem to address the anxiety among some Democrats that Mr. Obama has not answered a volley of attacks by Mr. McCain with enough force.

If you can go quietly negative, thats what hes done; I think the perception is that hes still running the positive campaign, said Evan Tracey, president of the Campaign Media Analysis Group of TNS Media Intelligence, which monitors political advertising. Its a pretty smart, high-low, good cop/bad cop strategy.

In Philadelphia; East Lansing, Mich.; Green Bay, Wis.; and at least five other major cities, Mr. Obama is heavily showing an advertisement contrasting a statement by Mr. McCain that we have had a pretty good, prosperous time with low unemployment, with appearances by people making statements like, The prices of gas are up; the prices of milk are up.

Mr. McCains statement was from a debate in January, before the economy took several turns for the worse, and did not include the senators acknowledgment of a rough patch. Mr. McCain has since run an advertisement going so far as to say, Were worse off than we were four years ago.

In Des Moines; Tampa, Fla.; Paducah, Ky., and at least 10 other cities, Mr. Obama is running a spot for a mock book, Economics by John McCain: Support George Bush 95 percent of the time; keep spending $10 billion a month for the war in Iraq.

On Sunday alone, Mr. Obamas campaign spent nearly $400,000 to run those two spots more than 600 times, accounting for roughly two thirds of the commercials he ran that day, according to the Campaign Media Analysis Group.

Nearly 85 percent of Mr. McCains 650 spots that day featured attacks against Mr. Obama, according to the service, which reports that Mr. Obama has spent $48 million on advertisements in the last two months and that Mr. McCain has spent $34 million, with the Republican National Committee spending another $3 million.

Until recently Mr. Obama had primarily run positive commercials promoting his vision, and his latest offensive is his first major volley of spots against Mr. McCain that was not in response to an attack from him or the Republican Party.

All told, Mr. Obamas campaign has released at least six television commercials and two radio spots against Mr. McCain in the past two weeks, all of them with an overwhelmingly economic message and some tailored to issues in specific states.

more...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/20/us/politics/20ads.htm...
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Azathoth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 08:53 AM
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26. Yes, I did
Not that particular article, but I have seen that the Obama campaign is finally starting to hit back in a meaningful way. I'm relieved, but I'm also painfully aware of the fact that these ads would have been far more effective had they aired before the McCain campaign started to "define" Obama.
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JoshDem Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 07:51 AM
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20. Agreed--Don't Know What the Obama Campaign is Thinking Of
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kevinmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 08:16 AM
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23. The poll conducted last Thursday through Saturday came on the heels of the Russian invasion
The poll conducted last Thursday through Saturday came on the heels of the Russian invasion of Georgia -- the same time period that Obama vacationed in Hawaii


This to shall pass
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 08:55 AM
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27. Zogby? Really? They are usually way off -
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 08:57 AM
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28. Obama still leads on Rasmussen 47/45 and CNN 46/43 and RCP AVERAGE=44.9/43
This is not particularly good news and does show that it is now high time for the Obama campaign to attack, attack and attack,

But it is not as desperate as some would think:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics...

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/20/cnn-pol...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/
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