List of VP's that would be better than Kaine or Bayh

[musicblind]

Gore
Hillary
Biden
Kerry
Clark
Richardson
Sebelius
Dodd
Edwards (post scandal)
Bill Clinton
Jimmy Carter
George McGovern
Santa Claus
A Dead Body



I really do not believe Obama would pick somebody for VP who was anti-civil unions and who would alienate his base who has gotten him this far on thier support and hard earned dollars. It will likely be Biden, Richardson, Clinton, or Clark.

[gateley]

1. Don't think it's going to be Clark. His son said as much. nt

[faithfulcitizen]

30. I missed that- what did he say? please do tell...

thanks!

[gateley]

32. Here you go --

It came from his diary on Daily Kos-- (and may I say it saddens me and pisses me off, too)

Former NATO Supreme Allied Commander and 2004 Democratic presidential candidate Wesley Clark, a Hillary Clinton primary supporter and Veep pick favorite has been told by the Obama campaign that his services were not needed during next week's Democratic party convention.

Clark's son, Wesley Clark, Jr. relayed this information in a diary comment on Daily Kos:

For a long time but we have a very active business that he needs to travel a lot for. He wasn't invited to speak at the convention. I'm sure somebody in his office called the campaign and asked if he was going to be invited to speak because he needs to book meetings for that week if he isn't in Denver. Apparently the answer that came back was no.

It's not a fake out or some secret plan, he isn't going to be VP or probably anything else in an Obama administration, assuming he's elected.
What he is going to do is go out and campaign for Obama and plenty of Democrats in house and senate races this Fall.

I know some you think you can change this by launching VP diaries a couple times a day in hopes that Obama will be swayed by the "netroots." Dude, when has that ever worked with this campaign?

xhttp://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/08/17/wes-clark-dismissed-by-obama-campaign/

[faithfulcitizen]

42. that sucks...truly our big loss.

[gateley]

46. I know.

I'm sorry. :pals:

[Sulawesi]

2. I disagree with a lot of those on your list...

[musicblind]

24. Then who is your preference? n/t

[Sulawesi]

40. I didn't want to be neg and point out those I like less, many of them...

I like Clark, and Biden, and Reed...but I do not know as much as Barack Obama

[inthebrain]

3. Clark and Gore are the only two there w/o war baggage

Not sure about Sebelius, Dodd, Richardson

[Dinger]

4. I'm Hoping For Clark

But hope is fading fast.

[Motown_Johnny]

5. I agree with 6 of those

Biden
Kerry
Clark
Richardson
Sebelius
Dodd


But we do need to win.. Santa on the ticket isn't going to help

[karynnj]

6. LOL - three of your list are not eligible and one complete trouble

Bill Clinton is not eligible because he's had 2 terms as President, Santa Claus is not an American citizen and centuries older than McCain, and a dead body may not be specifically illegal - it can't make a convention speech. If it were Edwards, look for charges to be pressed - whether justified or not - on the funds used for his mistress.

I don't think it could be Clinton or Obama would not have given so many nights to the Clintons. the convention would end up more Clinton than Obama.

[LKW]

7. Clark

Wes Clark is an old fart who half of the people on here couldnt name the war he lead without googling it. He is not here for change neither is Biden a man who has been a Senator for 36 years that not change. white people would be too scared of richardson and it will never be clinton.

[trewsx11]

8. Senator Bill Nelson - FL. ....yeah, the astronaut guy

Brings national security and foreign affairs experience, too. The same age and temperment of Joe Biden, but minus the baggage.

And he would make McCain sweat in Florida, diverting prescious time, money, and resources away from Michigan, Colorado, Virginia, Ohio, etc...

If Obama actually manages to make Florida competitive and win it, and at the same time keeping most of the Kerry states from 2004, (he can even afford to lose Pennyslvania!!!!) McCain is F-u-c-k-e-d.

[LKW]

9. Too bad

We cant we would lose a Senate Seat if he were to win so its not going to happen

[trewsx11]

12. I guess he can pick Biden then, and lose the election

When McCain digs the dirt on Biden, his plagarism (which raises questions about his honsety and character), and paint the ticket as just 2 liberal senators.

[saracat]

18. "cough" Plagerism appears to be "nothing " aompared with other allegations. Bidens

"plagerism was really hyped considering it was about something he 'previously credited" the author and was years ago.

[kevinplayer]

22. Wait

Isnt Senator Bill Nelson a liberal senator also

[saracat]

14. Bill Nelson, the one who votes with the GOP 98% of the time?

[defendandprotect]

10. Elizabeth Holtzman, Ted Kennedy, Barbara Boxer ---

[musicblind]

25. Those would def be better than Kaine and Bayh. You are right

I should have made a longer list... but I think the idea got across ;)

[defendandprotect]

38. How about Ron Wyden, Oregon ---? Or my NJ Sen Robt Menendez would be good ---

Lautenberg is a bit too old --- !!!

[saracat]

11. I would say Clark is off the list in as much as he wasn't "invited" to the convention.

It would be an "insult to Gore" to ask a man of his stature, who likely was legitimatele elected to serve as Vice.Hillary won'r be asked, Bill is ineligable and wouldn't take it anyway. Richardson adds nothing and is a buffoon but a nice guy. Carter and McGovern are too old .Edwards is now impossible. That Leaves Biden, Dodd, Sebielius, a dead body or Santa Claus. In this case, I vote Santa Claus!

[LKW]

13. Sure

Richardson adds nothing Ummm i guess getting new mexico, nevada, and the chance of florida is nothing

[saracat]

15. Not really. I personally "like " Richrdson as a person, but , for a smart

diplomat he comes across as a doofus. He does. he blew every debate. I really coundn't understand it. He doesn't seem to be able to do well as a politician. It is amazing he won NM. I will say he does appear to be a great guy to have beer with! That may help him! LOL!~

[kevinplayer]

21. Ok

He might come off like a doofus to someone like you, ok so that doofus was our ambassador to the U.N. then that doofus became the first latino governor in U.S. history and that doofus would help capture 2 states that last election went republican i would love to see you do better then that doofus

[saracat]

45. I didn't say he WAS a doofus. He came off as one. I had high expectations of him and he blew every

debate and he has been a lousy surrogate. He is a great guy .He is just not as great public speaker or debater.

[saracat]

47. And he doesn't really do well in any of the states you mentioned. He didn't do well in

AZ, and we like him. he didn't do well in NM and its his home state . So I don't see where you are coming from.Latinos won't necessarily vote for him because he is a latino and in any case most are already voting Dem so we wouldn't be "picking up" anything.

[Faygo Kid]

16. Santa Claus would be a good pick - seasoned, charismatic, well traveled, nearly as old as McCain.

Yeah, I can see him as the Veep. Would lock up the Elf-American vote, too.

[musicblind]

26. That settles it -- SANTA CLAUS FOR VP!!!!!!!!

Obama/Claus 2008

[Faygo Kid]

35. Hope and Change, and Kisses Under the Mistletoe.

Who could resist? Well, maybe that 28%. . .

[nsd]

17. Of the people on your list, I think only Biden is still plausible.

[saracat]

19. I agree. but S iebelus may still be in play. And of courese Brazile mentioning Kerry may mean

something? Who knows?

[musicblind]

28. He would not be a bad choice

in my humble opinion at least. He has always been in my top 3 along with Hillary and Edwards. (Edwards, however, is obviously out now which sucks).

[Milo_Bloom]

20. Biden and Clinton voted for the war and lose the base for him.

[Life Long Dem]

29. And he is in step with McSame on Georgia. Where will this go?

A little risky I say.

[mmonk]

23. Agree with all of the above.

[kevinplayer]

27. So

You are saying the only reason the people on that list are better then Kaine or Bayh is because they are for civil unions wow that kind of selfish of you is that your only reason or do you have anything else to add

[musicblind]

31. Yes

Be it selfish or not that is the most important to issue to me and one of the most important issues of our times. It is a civil rights issue as important as it was for African Americans to allowed the same rights as whites. It directly effects my life and my future. So I have a reason to be selfish on this.

If someone is against granting AT LEAST civil unions to GLBT couples then it says something very bad about the very soul in that person's body.

[kevinplayer]

33. Wow

Blacks were fighting for rights like better jobs equal facilities and better treatment and you are comparing that to a form of marriage i now see the similarities lol. It is not more important then a failing economy or people dying for a stupid occupancy and who are you to judge ppl about their soul I think if you only focus on that issue you will get no where in politics.

[musicblind]

34. Gays being denied their legal rights IS similar to blacks being denied their legal rights

and if someone is so hateful against another group of people that they wish to deny that group basic human rights then YES that does say something horrible about that person's soul. I have the right to judge that because I have been given a brain to process information. Just as it says something horrible about a person's soul if they were to deny a black person from sitting down in a restaurant because of the colour of their skin.

Were black rights more important than a weak economy? Are you saying there are no other senators that could both help the economy and gay rights?

Btw, welcome to DU... if this is your stance on gay rights, however, then I do not know that you will last very long.

[kevinplayer]

36. Thank you

I would like you to know I'm for gay rights and also marriage or in your case civil unions is Not a right it's not in the Constitution which list your rights and yes right are more important but there is a difference between right and privileges

[musicblind]

37. being married is not a PRIVILEGE

It is a human right. The fact that you do not think so says something about you. It is a right that goes beyond the constitution and cuts to the very core of being human.

[defendandprotect]

39. You'd be really insane to think your only rights are those

listed in the Constitution . . . !!

[kevinplayer]

41. Well

They are

[Hippo_Tron]

43. You should read the 9th amendment then see if you can still argue that

[ruggerson]

50. We already tried that with him - doesn't seem to respond to rational thought

[defendandprotect]

48. Few of us would agree with you . . . including the Founders --- !!!

And why would you be so passive as to believe any such thing --- ????

[ruggerson]

49. You don't think people get fired for being gay?

You don't think people get killed for being gay?

Most civil rights leaders see far more similarities than differences between the struggle for African American civil rights and gay American civil rights.

I will take John Lewis and Coretta Scott King's opinions on this with a bit more seriousness than I will take yours.

[ProgressiveVoter]

44. Don't be shocked with Kaine. Obama said the pick wouldn't be a surprise.

Kaine really has no experience. And I hate to say that. It'll be a plus for the Republicans.

[wisteria]

51. I vote for the forth one down on your list. Unfortunately Obama would have to be willing to take a

risk on him and I don't see Obama as a risk taker in this matter- he will make the safe choice.

[grillo7]

52. Bloomberg or Bob Graham would be much better

...Or anyone else on the first list. We need people with more experience. McSame and the other GOP zombies/MSM are going to gain an upper hand if we pick someone with no experience like Kaine.