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Neocons or Neoliberals - would your rather be hung or shot?

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arendt (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Aug-14-08 03:19 PM
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Neocons or Neoliberals - would your rather be hung or shot?
Edited on Thu Aug-14-08 03:48 PM by arendt
This is what I get for tuning out the whole Hillary/Barack food fight during the two-year long Permanent Campaign. Now that BHO has seemingly finally won, I have been asking myself: so who is the power base behind this guy? Who backed him against the Clinton machine?

It took just one Google: {obama, brzezinski} to sort that out. Here are just two items from the hundreds of thousands that my google pulled up. The first is from a year ago; the second from last month.

Let’s call Barack Obama what he is—a sock puppet for the ruling elite. Obama made this plainly obvious recently when he tabbed Zbigniew Brzezinski as his top foreign policy adviser...

Brzezinski is a consummate insider and enthusiastic proponent of world government, that is to say he has worked long and diligently for the plan to transform the world into a corporate slave plantation and mega-sweatshop.

Thus it makes perfect sense Barack Obama, billed as one of “10 people who could change the world,” according to the New Statesman, has invited Zbigniew Brzezinski aboard, or rather was told by his globalist handlers to invite him. “For Brzezinski, 79, support for Obama means support for a radical change in direction of American foreign policy,” writes MSNBC. In other words, neolibs of Brzezinski’s ilk have lost patience with the chest-pounding neocons...

Obama’s adding Brzezinski to his campaign reveals a widening riff between the neocons and neolibs as the U.S. moves toward the 2008 selection process. As Brzezinski has warned, tellingly tipping his hat, the neocons are not above staging yet another terror attack in order to get their way and bomb Iran, a prominent target on their list of countries to be flattened and reduced to “failed states” by way of depleted uranium.

Kurt Nimmo, Another Day in the Empire
http://moderate.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/obama-brzezins... /


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What’s especially ghoulish about all this is that there are five Brzezinski offspring who are all onboard the Obama wagon: Mark (director of Russian and Eurasian Affairs at the National Security Council under President Bill Clinton, and one of the prime movers of the 2004 color revolution in Ukraine), Ian (currently the US Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for European and NATO affairs and a backer of Kosovan independence, NATO expansion into Ukraine and Georgia and US ABM missiles in Poland), Mika (political commentator on MSNBC whose interview with Michele Obama contributed to the general media Obamamia) and finally, Matthew (a friend of Ilyas Akhmadov, “foreign minister” and US envoy of the Chechen opposition).

Brzezinski’s brand of anti-Russian, anti-Muslim geopolitics will dominate a future Obama administration. In Second Chance: Three Presidents and the Crisis of American Superpower, published last year, he lays out his New World Order agenda without so much as a blush. Apparently, there is a global political awakening going on, the goal of which is “dignity”. Not economic development, not the alleviation of poverty, not national sovereignty against the IMF and World Bank. Just plain old dignity, though Zbig’s brand of dignity is the kind attained through secession, balkanisation, and the creation of weak statelets for each ethnic minority subservient to the US. Think: Kosovo and — if he has his way — Chechenia. Neo-Wilsonian demagogy in the service not of peace but of US world domination, encirclement of Russia and control of the Arab world.

Zbig said in endorsing Obama: “What makes Obama attractive to me is that he understands that we live in a very different world where we have to relate to a variety of cultures and peoples.” Obama’s alleged global approach and trans-ethnic, trans-racial allure are right out of Zbig’s university textbook, or rather Second Chance, which will be the manual for the Obama campaign and presidency.

Obama is literally a second chance for Brzezinski: having destroyed the Soviet Union and shattered the Warsaw Pact, he now wants to dismember the Russian Federation itself and put the finishing touches on Afghanistan as an impregnable US military base against China, Russia... the list is endless. Perhaps Zbig is dreaming of restoring Greater Poland circa 1600 — from the Black Sea to the Baltic, all controlled by petty szlachta aristocrats like... the Brzezinskis?

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/printer_3536.sh...


Apparently, the power base behind Obama has been obvious to people paying attention for over a year. But between the corporate propaganda fest about "hope" and "change" and the mindless cheerleading at DU, nobody bothered to inform us voters that Obama's policy direction really is quite clear. He's a neoliberal. So, yes, that's a change; but its not very hopeful.

It sure helps me understand why his policy advisors are these recycled Cold War democratic hawks. It helps me understand that there is a very good chance he will not repeal any of the dictatorial powers that the neocons have grabbed. I already knew his economic advisors are straight off the U. of Chicago campus (the same Friedmanite gangsters who gave us The Shock Doctrine). This helps me see that Evan Bayh hasn't a chance to be VP - he's a neocon. It shows me that BOTH parties (for different reasons) want to restart the assault on Russia. The corporate media has reached the level of pure projection. They accuse Russia of restarting aggression when it is America that provoked a shooting incident, possibly for domestic political consumption.

This neocon/neolib fight sure is confusing. You find ZBs kids in charge of the color-revolutions and liasing with Kosovan and Chechen rebels. I always thought that those operations were part of the neocon playbook. Now, I guess, they are the CIA's horse in the race. I guess that ZB is in the CIA's corner in their fight against Cheney and the neocons. But, I can't be certain. The corporate media have done a great job of making sure that the only websites where you can track who's who in the M-I-C world are labeled in bright, toxic orange: "danger - here lie conspiracy theories".

In any case, the Democratic Party has an unfortuante blind spot for neoliberals (who used to be called "Scoop Jackson Democrats"). We all venerate Jimmy Carter; but he appointed Zbig the first time around. Of course, Zbig had brought the naive young Jimmy to the Council on Foreign Relations debutante ball and made sure that Jimmy snagged the nomination.

Now that I understand who BHO is working for, I can begin to look at my options in the GE. My choice is between a neocon and a neoliberal. Between competent gangsters and batshit crazy gangsters. Between abusing, or just using, our Military Industrial Complex to beat a living out of the rest of the world. Gee, would I rather be shot or just continue to be slowly and incompetently hung?

It looks like, no matter who wins, America is going to become a permanent garrison state until the polluted, climate-destabilized environment wipes humanity away and starts over.

I have never felt less enthusiastic about the prospects for democracy and peace in this gun-crazed, mobster-worshipping, Rapture-craving cesspool of a nation.

And, I have no choice but to vote for Obama; because the alternative is even worse.

God save the world, because America isn't going to.

arendt
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   So Is Brzezinski  salonghorn70   Aug-14-08 03:29 PM   #1 
   Just a super-annuated, un-reformed Cold War hawk, whose presence signals Obama's intent n/t  arendt   Aug-14-08 03:46 PM   #7 
   Whatever floats your conspiratorial boat.  Occam Bandage   Aug-14-08 03:34 PM   #2 
   Where's the conspiracy, except in the under-reporting? ZB started Al Qaida. He's no saint. n/t  arendt   Aug-14-08 03:40 PM   #4 
   After Obama is elected, ...  bvar22   Aug-14-08 03:37 PM   #3 
   "the Convention is very disappointing. It is going to be a Circle Jerk for Conservative/Corporatist"  arendt   Aug-14-08 03:44 PM   #5 
   "Barak's victory was a rejection of the Clinton "Big Business" Democrats." Only to the uninformed.  Romulox   Aug-14-08 03:45 PM   #6 
      EXACTLY!!!!  bvar22   Aug-14-08 03:58 PM   #8 
   I think the proper word is "hanged" and that would at least make this a hard question to answer  CreekDog   Aug-14-08 03:59 PM   #9 
   Ah, the grammar police, always ready to hand out tickets. Sigh. :-) n/t  arendt   Aug-14-08 04:06 PM   #10 
   Locking  The Magistrate   Aug-14-08 04:25 PM   #11 
 
salonghorn70 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Aug-14-08 03:29 PM
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1. So Is Brzezinski
Also the anti-Christ?
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arendt (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Aug-14-08 03:46 PM
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7. Just a super-annuated, un-reformed Cold War hawk, whose presence signals Obama's intent n/t
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Aug-14-08 03:34 PM
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2. Whatever floats your conspiratorial boat.
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arendt (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Aug-14-08 03:40 PM
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4. Where's the conspiracy, except in the under-reporting? ZB started Al Qaida. He's no saint. n/t
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Aug-14-08 03:37 PM
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3. After Obama is elected, ...
....there will be as much change in the US as there was after the Democrats took the majority in 2006.

Anyone expecting more will be sadly disappointed.
The Status Quo has already won this election.

Never-the-Less, it is critically important to support and vote FOR Obama.
The NeoLiberals/NeoCons still hold the levers of power, but there has been some glimmers of hope from the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party.
At the very least, the Corporatists have been forced to pay us some lip service. Barak owes his victory to Democrats who are not satisfied with the performance of the Democratic Party over the last 30 years. Barak's victory was a rejection of the Clinton "Big Business" Democrats. The grassroots base, who expect "change" will be very disappointed and very LOUD when nothing of substance changes.

The line up of speakers at the Convention is very disappointing. It is going to be a Circle Jerk for Conservative/Corporatist NeoLiberals. The Liberal Wing has been excluded from the convention.


K&R


"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone


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arendt (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Aug-14-08 03:44 PM
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5. "the Convention is very disappointing. It is going to be a Circle Jerk for Conservative/Corporatist"
now that you mention it - YEAH. Blech.

But I take your point. The neolibs have to beat the neocons and they have to have progressives to do that.

Its like during the Cold War, when big business had to pretend to respect labor, lest workers around the world cast their lot with the Commies. This time around, though, what cosmetic concession do we get to participate in this farce?

arendt
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Romulox (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Aug-14-08 03:45 PM
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6. "Barak's victory was a rejection of the Clinton "Big Business" Democrats." Only to the uninformed.
Barack Obama surrounded himself with rightwing economists during the heat of the primary fight, and made it clear he was pandering on any populist economic positions.

He has only moved farther right on economic issues with the appointment of Jason Furman to his team.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Aug-14-08 03:58 PM
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8. EXACTLY!!!!
"...made it clear he was pandering on any populist economic positions..."

but this was clear ONLY to those who were really paying attention. The average ill informed Democrat has bought the hype. The majority of Obama supporters on DU frimly believe that Obama is a grass roots driven Populist.

Many will be sadly disappointed.


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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Aug-14-08 03:59 PM
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9. I think the proper word is "hanged" and that would at least make this a hard question to answer
:rofl:
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arendt (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Aug-14-08 04:06 PM
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10. Ah, the grammar police, always ready to hand out tickets. Sigh. :-) n/t
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11. Locking
This is far from constructive criticism.

Kurt Nimmo, cited in the first link, is a Holocaust denier.
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