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angee_is_mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 07:26 PM
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bill wants his black pass back
and Barack offered him that time slot to help bill out. He (bill) just can't get over the fact that blacks didn't give him a pass on his race baiting during the primaries.

hillary will not be the vp. The backlash on Barack would be to great and he would not chance it. Especially since he is leading with white women now.
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gaiilonfong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 07:29 PM
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1. Bill and Hill will NEVER EVER get the African Americans to EVER trust them again
jst read the African American blogs...they are done, over, fini, toast in the African American community forever!
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 07:31 PM
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3. You got a link to that?
I read those blogs and I've never seen anything that would suggest what you are saying.
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angee_is_mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 07:35 PM
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Jack and Jill?
Skeptical Brotha, Francis Holland, Bossip, Roland Martin on Essence. Which ones have you been going on?
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gaiilonfong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 07:49 PM
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17. here ya go link included
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 07:50 PM
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18. And another one
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 07:38 PM
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7. Lithium? Shock therapy?
Get some help.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 07:30 PM
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2. That's a lot of assumptions
Hope you get over it if Obama does pick Hillary. And I see many good reasons for him doing just that.

Bottom line is, I trust Obama to do the right thing. If he thinks Hillary is the right thing, so be it.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 07:35 PM
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4. Roland Martin said the same thing
Edited on Thu Aug-07-08 07:45 PM by politicasista
at his Essence.com election blog:


August 05, 2008

Bill Clinton desperate to get his black card back

Poor, Bill.

Stuck in no man's land, no longer able to stand before adoring crowds of African Americans who would welcome him as the "nation's first black president" with thunderous applause and all kinds of pats on the back, he clearly is having issues dealing with the new world order.

Almost two months after Sen. Barack Obama captured the Democratic presidential nomination, the former president is at a loss, trying to figure out what happened along the way. And his chief complaint? That the Obama camp accused him of being a racist.

Never mind that the Obama camp - loaded with white male advisers - was so afraid to bring up race that it wasn't funny. What Bill doesn't understand is that it was the masses of black people who know what it feels like to be marginalized, and they saw that with some of Clinton's comments.

In an interview with ABC's Kate Snow, Clinton desperately wants his black mojo back, and when she asked him a question about regrets in the campaign, he immediately threw out, "I am not a racist."

See, no place gave Bill Clinton as much comfort than the black community. When he was facing the end of his presidency, he called on black folks like no other, using the love and affection we have always had to get him through the darks of the Monica Lewinsky scandal. He relied on black support to keep his poll numbers high. And we all know it.

But what Bill knows - and we know - is that you don't have to be a racist to use race as a tool in a political campaign. An inference here, a comparison there, and you can send the right signal at the right time, to the right people.

Bill, and the legions of Clinton supporters and former campaign aides, are quick to act as if the comments made by African Americans - the regular folk - simply didn't exist. But what they also fail to grasp is that they did offend older African Americans like Rep. James Clyburn, and Dr. Johnetta B. Cole, and others who were always in the corner of the Clintons.

It's clear that what Bill can't stand is these blacks didn't sit down and shut up. They recoiled at what they heard, and didn't offer the Clintons cover.

For instance, in a piece on Politico.com, Clinton aides say that it was an affront to read stories about the Clintons using race when so many black women were at the top of her hierarchy.

But that's a lie.

Sure, Maggie Williams was hired to run the campaign, but AFTER Patti Solis Doyle was fired. Other women had some influence in the campaign - Minyon Moore and Tina Flournoy are to name a couple - but insiders, fundraisers and longtime Clinton supporters have said that her inner circle was devoid of many black voices. Telling Essence or other black media outlets who your "black team" is one thing, but did you tell the New York Times the same thing?

There is nothing that Obama can do to salvage the reputation of Bill Clinton before African Americans. Bill lost that on his own, and he's going to have to get it on his own.

And the Clintons need to stop living in la-la land, listening to the same folks sooth Bill's bruised ego. They thought they would win the nomination and then blacks would fall in line.

But in this new world order, when a (young) generation of black folks don't see Bill as the Great Messiah and really don't have a love affair with his eight years, he needs to recognize that a lot has changed.

Bill, you clearly have issues with what took place, and sure, you can be mad. But denying you're angry doesn't help.

You need to own up to what you did and stop passing the buck. That's what true leaders do.


http://essence.typepad.com/news/2008/08/bill-clinton-de...
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angee_is_mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 07:38 PM
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6. Thank you
its hard to believe that anyone who visits the Afrosphere on a regularly basis doesn't know how the black community feel about the clinton's. It is really hard for me to believe.
Maybe they should listen to black talk radio.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 07:42 PM
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11. No problem
Fixed the link.

I agree with Roland on this issue and your post. :hi:
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angee_is_mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 07:53 PM
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19. Thank you sista
its amazing how some people on here don't have a clue on what is going on in the black community (and don't wanna know) and trying to marginalize something that we see and hear everyday.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 07:40 PM
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9. Unfortunately, Roland is correct.
What Bill doesn't realize is that we are not easily bamboozled. It has nothing to do with Barack, and everything to do with Bill, et al. I tried to warn them early, but they simply didn't listen.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 07:43 PM
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12. Hang in there
You have been great advocate for Obama. :hi:
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 07:43 PM
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13. delete. dupe n/t
Edited on Thu Aug-07-08 07:43 PM by politicasista
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Heather MC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 07:36 PM
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5. I bet Bill will show up dressed like Vanilla Ice. Throwing gang signs
screaming WUZ UP MY N!GGAS!!!
B-DAWG is all up in the MUTHAFUKINHOUSSSSSSEEEE
yah yeah!!
With Rappers delight as his back ground music

:rofl:

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angee_is_mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 07:39 PM
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8. now he can stop pouting
but he still ain't gettin g that pass back.
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 07:41 PM
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10. I think Bill Clinton thinks he is black inside. For real, I do.
He's gonna have to do some more work though before he gets my vote for a reissuance of his black pass.
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angee_is_mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 07:46 PM
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14. he's never getting mine
Hell even the the old church ladies are pissed at him. That's how deep this feeling goes. We may not say it in mix (white)company but you better believe we are talking about it at the beauty salons, barber shops, kitchen tables, family reunion, emails,etc
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 07:48 PM
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16. Hey, I know! I know the sentiment out there because I have it.
I'm still PISSED OFF at them. But I believe in redemption. If he gets back on the right foot and speaks directly to the black community with some sense and recognition of the feelings out there, he can be on the track back.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 07:47 PM
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15. While you got that crystal ball out, could you give me Sat.'s powerball numbers?
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 07:53 PM
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20. Locking
Flame-Bait.
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