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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 06:45 AM
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Why is Bill Clinton pushing his "I'm not a Racist" story the week after McCain's Race Card Claim?
Is this really the best time, Bill?

Or do you have an agenda?

This is not an effort at unity.
It stinks of selfishness.
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Chipper Chat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 06:48 AM
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1. I think Bill Clinton is lost in the wilderness.
He is still suffering shock from Hil losing the nom. And now he wont get those 3am cheeseburgers in the basement kitchen. Also, he looks bad health-wise. He seemed defensive in his last interview (arms crossed & a little testy. I wish him the best. He should get a hero's welcome in Denver.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 07:43 AM
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 06:49 AM
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2. Intentional or not, it undermines Obama at a bad time.
it keeps the phony Obama played the race card, alive and kicking.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 06:59 AM
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5. it's like he's saying, "look, Obama did it to me, too"
Edited on Tue Aug-05-08 07:00 AM by JackORoses
not helpful at all
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 07:01 AM
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6. yes, that's exactly the message that's being sent.
disappointing that Bill can't rise to the occasion.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 08:23 AM
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42. No. What's disappointing is how a great American President was slandered and defiled - SWIFTBOATED
by a political campaign and the media.

I think Bill Clinton is being remarkably restrained.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 08:39 AM
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51. we disagree. Obama's campaign was the one that was remarkably restrained
Bill behaved oddly during the primaries on several occasions. He was not swiftboated. And the overuse and misuse of that term is reaching epic proportions.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 09:12 AM
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58. Clinton was swiftboated. He was called a racist and his
presidency was attacked. He has every right to be angry. I guess it is the same reason you guys are angry at him for his attacks on Obama during the campaign.

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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 09:33 AM
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63. No, he wasn't. He was called on his misconduct.
Edited on Tue Aug-05-08 09:33 AM by TexasObserver
The shoe fit, so he must wear it.

Bill is not an idiot. He knows exactly what he is doing when he goes out of his way to dredge up his whine about being called racist. If he doesn't want to be called racist, he needs to stop being racist.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 09:43 AM
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71. We will have to agree to disagree.
I think you are attempting to revise history. And I just deleted a long statement with proof. Because the primaries are over. It is time to move on.

It is a shame that you can't move on and instead continue to hate the Clintons while forgiving Obama for doing the same things...playing politics.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 09:47 AM
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73. This is about Bill's misconduct NOW.
Bill is the one who can't get over the primary. It's his job, as a Democrat supporting a losing candidate, to get on board with the nominee of the party. If he were not such a big baby, he would be able to do that.

It's a shame you have to try to blame me and other posters for Bill's outrageous and unacceptable behavior. He needs to let go of the primary loss, as do you. You're still trying to blame me and others because Bill Clinton can't keep his big mouth shut, and when he does open it, he refuses to be a good Democrat.

I hesitate to even call him a Democrat any more, because his conduct is every bit like the Republicans we must fight.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 10:05 AM
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83. I don't know
It is difficult to "get over" being called a racist. And I just have to laugh at all of the posters who before this election started vowed that they would never ever ever vote democratic if Clinton won. You are now the ones shouting the loudest about the "outrage."

Your behavior is outrageous. Clinton endorsed Obama. You seem to want the Clintons to lick the boots of Obama. And nothing is good enough for you. I can see it now (he did not lick long enough. He only licked the toes). I don't see you complaining that Gore is not out campaigning enough for him. You demand more from the Clintons and then attack them for whatever they do--or don't--do.

And frankly, to suggest that Clinton is a republican is intellectually lazy at best. And ignores the reality of the primary.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 12:18 PM
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110. That's right, you don't.
As your post reveals. Get over your failed candidate. Bill Clinton made $100 million wallowing in the mud with the most unsavory of characters. He's lost all his Democratic credibility, and that's unfortunate, but to be expected when he goes out of his way to help McCain and hurt our nominee.

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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 10:41 PM
Response to Reply #110
142. Sad
Your bias blinds you. Opposite side of the freeper coin.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 01:01 AM
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151.  Sad
Can you discuss without resorting to some cheap shot like the Freeper comment? Or are you, like Billy Bob, still so mad you can't think rationally?
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 06:59 AM
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172. Just responding in kind
to you.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 12:57 AM
Response to Reply #83
149. AMEN.
You "get it"...
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kdpeters Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 08:41 AM
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176. Not just the Clintons, but anyone who cares about this country, I expect them to help elect Obama
I have little to no patience with people who don't realize just how crucial this election is and what's at stake. Even though they may even be otherwise cherished family, friends and neighbors, I feel like I could grab them and shake them until it sinks in. That goes double for a respected ex-President.

He did a lot of working and talking during his wife's primary campaign about taking this country back from four more years of Bush/McCain style policy. So, isn't that what he should be talking about instead of himself? It's not about him. Reporters who ask questions loaded with the most personal hurtful reminders of the campaign are only trying to stir the pot and need to be called out for their tabloid crap interviews rather than answered. Instead, he took the opportunity to make it about him and gave the media exactly what they wanted: conflict and drama.
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 11:09 AM
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184. Well said. He played right into their hands.

He should have said, "That's in the past and it's not what I'm here to talk about." and changed the subject. Instead he gave them a divisive headline.
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kdpeters Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 02:02 PM
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203. Actually he did say something like that, so his instincts were right. He just changed his mind.
The first question was some gossip about him being angry and bitter and he squashed that one. Then came the "some people" saying he cost Hillary the nomination. He actually told the reporter that he wasn't going to talk about it because it could only distract from the real issue of who should be the next President. Great answer and perfect. Inexplicably, there he was in the next moment going on and on about one of those distracting questions that he should have refused to answer. She just kept poking at him and poking at him until she hit something that got the response she was looking for and then he effectively accused Obama of playing the race card on McCain. That's nuts.

Frankly, I'm not thinking it was calculated as we know he knew what kind of no-win questions she was asking the first two times he called her out on it, but I think the issues around race really hurt his ego and that's where she got him.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 02:03 PM
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204. Look! the media were the ones insinuating that..
Clinton was a racist and then it took on a life of its own. You also have it backwards You seem to want Obama to lick the the boots,toes and ass of the Clintons he has done more than I would have done. If they can't get on board especially Bill then he needs to shut up. These people and their supporters seem to think that we need to bow to them as though they are the king and queen of the Democrats,they are not entitled to anything.
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genna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 08:45 AM
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220. It reminds me of the nebulous Judas-Bill Richardson line of Carville's
I'd like to know how much deference they need before they will EVER BE SATISFIED.

If Obama can't satisfy them, then he needs to send someone who knows them well enough to bridge the gap. He can't leave them swinging outside the tent pissing in.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 09:38 AM
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68. As to attacking his presidency,
that had to happen when HRC ran on it. It is normal for all Democrats to point to the good things in a former Democratic President's term, but running against HRC, the less than good things had to be pointed out - doing otherwise would mean ceding the race to HRC.

He was NOT swiftboated. He also was not ever called a racist - except on boards like this, where most people contradicted the claim. Obama never said it, his campaign never said it and his surrogates never said it.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 09:51 AM
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75. When you gamble something you might lose it.
When you race your prized car or horse, it might be damaged.

Bill put a lot on the line for the primaries and lost.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 10:07 AM
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84. You said it - and he likely never considered he could lose
I think that gambling is why he went more and more over the line - he seemed to progressively up the ante - making the loss bigger.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 10:15 AM
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88. This is something that many refuse to acknowledge
Clinton said some dumb stuff and got called on it. They don't know the difference between being called on a comment and being called a racist.

Clinton should have thought about what he said. Because people believe he is smart they find it hard to believe that he(or the campaign) didn't have the common sense to know how the things they were saying would be perceived.

This is especially true for Bill since he was proclaimed to be the First Black President. He, of all people should have been more sensitive. In spite of all that, he is not a racist.

Instead of acknowledging that he fucked up he cries that people are calling him a racist.

Shut the hell up Bill.
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 09:51 AM
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76. I agree. He was swiftboated, treated very unfairly, and has every right to be angry.
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 11:26 AM
Response to Reply #76
187. BEING angry is one thing.

Venting your hurt feelings over and over again in the media is another.

Man up, Bill. Elections are "tough", remember?
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 01:54 PM
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121. Clinton was "SwiftBoated" ??!!!
Please provide a link to the organization of wealthy individuals who pooled their funds to establish a 527 that bought TV time to attack Bill Clinton using false information.
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I'm waiting.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 12:56 AM
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148. Yep - only the obambots/clinton haters will never see it...
It's DISGUSTING the way they have to tear down this great man...

DISGUSTING...

I will never forgive them for that.

NEVER...
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 11:54 AM
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193. He made those stupid and racist comments. Whether or not he's a racist
His own words painted him as such. You can't blame anyone for that but Bill.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 02:05 PM
Response to Reply #148
206. Look! don't blame the people who support Obama...
because the swiftboating was done by the media and the RepubliCONS they were all on Hillary's team after they had done their damage..
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 09:30 AM
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60. He was not swiftboated
He got flack when he said HRC was swiftboated in and after the Philly debate in 2007. Many of us were outraged when he used that term. What she was hit with was what the frontrunner always gets.

What hurt Bill Clinton was Bill Clinton. His behavior from the eve of the NH primary until Obama was the conclusive winner was what hurt him - not lies - just what he said and did. (One clue of why he is now so bitter is that he gambled and lost. I don't like anonymous sources, but one of the cable people spoke of a Clinton friend saying that Clinton had told him that he knew that he was damaging his reputation before SC, but that in 4 or 8 years in the WH, that reputation would be more than recovered. As it is, that damage is likely not permanent - as a former President he will have plenty of opportunities, like this Africa trip, to recover.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 09:48 AM
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74. Bill was called on his racist comments and other misconduct.
Edited on Tue Aug-05-08 09:49 AM by TexasObserver
If Bill doesn't want good Democrats to consider him a sellout, he needs to stop being one.
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LVjinx Donating Member (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 01:36 AM
Response to Reply #74
159. Care to post the actual quotes, with actual links?
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 09:42 AM
Response to Reply #42
70. here we go with the bill clinton = sweet little baby jesus line again...
:rofl:
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 10:56 AM
Response to Reply #42
103. I'd hardly call him great.
And he was the one that went down the dogwhistle road, so it's his own fault he was called on it.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 05:47 PM
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130. Bill Clinton may not be a Racist, but he ws certainly acting like one in the Primaries
He tried to use Obama's race against him and it backfired.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 01:16 AM
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153. It's not slander to point out his and his wife's lies and race-baiting.
NT!

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genna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 08:35 AM
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218. Swift boated? Bill Clinton? Jesse Jackson won SC/I don't have to take that sh*t off him
He was swift boated?


I don't know what reasoning process happens in and around Planet Clinton. *sarcasm*

Here on earth where I dwell, BC showed his ass throughout the primary. It did not benefit his wife nor did it make him look that good. I don't think BC is a racist. I think he has had a great deal more initimate time (not sexual but heart to heart) with African Americans than most non African American politicians and earned a certain amount of respect for being so familiar. His intimate license was revoked during the primary based on his behavior.

I don't think one black American was responsible for giving BC that intimate license. I don't think one black American can be held responsible for that license being revoked.


I am sure BC has found that he is still being treated in a somewhat respectful manner in African American circles, but that carte blanch license is gone. He doesn't have as much leeway and he is probably being called out that much more.


What can he do now?

Make it worse by blaming someone else for his behavior. Suck it up buddy.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 08:37 AM
Response to Reply #218
219. Bill Clinton did it all to himself, with his big fat mouth.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 08:27 AM
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46. No it doesnt
It has no effect on Obama. Bill Clinton answered a question he was asked in an interview. People make too much of it.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 09:44 AM
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72. Even within his response, the racist comment came out of the blue
What is startling is that he had to know this was the McCain charge of the week and Clinton is making it look like a pattern.
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MzShellG Donating Member (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 11:45 AM
Response to Reply #72
104. Yup....
Kind of like that loose cannon Jesse Jackson remark here in SC......Strategic and intentional.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 01:00 AM
Response to Reply #72
150. Seeing racism in everything is, in itself, racist
Get over you obsession, the primaries ended in June. Grow up.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 06:58 AM
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3. Things that make you go hmmmm. nt
:wtf: Bubba?
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BklynChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 06:58 AM
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4. because he's a self-involved and damaged person & I think he subconsciously he wants to hurt Barack
Edited on Tue Aug-05-08 06:59 AM by BklynChick
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 07:01 AM
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7. Pretty much a nail on the head ...
nm
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Heather MC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 07:33 AM
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10. I don't think it's sub-couscious, I think it's a very Conscious thing he is hoping to do
Did you see his latest interview in full.

When asked if he thought Obama was ready to be president. Instead of saying yes or Absolutely
he says
"You can argue that no one is truely ready to President"

WTF
Bill and Hillary are both still crying out her losing
and the are not being subtle at all.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 01:01 PM
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197. I agree with you. He knows EXACTLY what he's doing. He was passive-aggressive in 2000 and 2004, too.
And I believe absolutely that he wanted neither Gore or Kerry in the WH because Hillary2008 had been planned and likely promised by the Bush-Clinton alliance that protected each other's interests.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 09:34 AM
Response to Reply #4
64. Nailed it!
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 07:17 AM
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8. he is probably tired of hearing the allegations from sites
like DU.

The Clinton-bashing that has occurred here over the past few months is a perfect example of what NOT to do should you wish to unify the party.

And yet it continues with posts like yours.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 07:33 AM
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9. Sorry, it's a truly legitimate issue.
And if Bill Clinton is actually disturbed by comments on sites such as DU, that's just ridiculous. Bill has a far, far, far greater obligation to work for party unity than anyone posting here or on other sites. Period.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 07:36 AM
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 07:55 AM
Response to Reply #11
19. tut. tut. tut. Go read the DU rules. Calling other posters "idiots" is
a no-no. Being a retread is a no-no. And do try to attain a modicum of education, dear. Pathetic post. It won't last long.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 08:06 AM
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 08:10 AM
Response to Reply #24
27. enjoy your stay here
in your current incarnation.

:hi:
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 08:36 AM
Response to Reply #27
48. I see you are still stuck in primary mode
Take consolation in the fact that you are in the .001% who just never got over the primaries. The rest of us have moved on. I do note that the jerks who come out of the woodwork whenever the name Clinton is mentioned in a thread, were the most obsessed during the primaries, coincidence? Not. Dont like being called a jerk? Complain to skinner, he says it best in my tagline.

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 08:44 AM
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52. that's a ridiculous and patently untrue little bash, poo.
I moved on before the primaries were even over. typical comment from a bitter hillary supporter though. Stop projecting, dear. Oh, and I defended Hillary to the point that I was repeatedly called out for being a stealth Hillary supporter. Do try not to spout utterly untrue crap. It's unbecoming for someone who calls herself "niceypoo".
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 01:04 AM
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152. Your response proves me correct
Everytime you have been called out by me (in your obsession with all things Clinton), always the same "Hillary supporter" rant followed by attacks on me personally (The fallacy of Ad Hominem). Get over it, the primaries are over. Join the 99.9% of us who have moved on.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 01:35 AM
Response to Reply #152
158. You wish SO HARD it did, but from an outsider -- no, it doesn't.
NT!

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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 08:05 AM
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23. "your candidate"?
Perhaps you're on the wrong site.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 08:14 AM
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 08:16 AM
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34. I believe the point was that Obama is YOUR candidate too.
Unless...
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 07:39 AM
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14. you are right about WLC reading comments from here . . . but
he certainly has been widely accused throughout the MSM. I see nothing wrong with him addressing it - not unlike the call for Obama to fight back on the false charges from the mccain campaign. The poster is just continuing this Clinton-bashing bashing with an obvious goal of continued party disunity on DU - driving a wedge between the Clinton and Obama supporters.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 01:27 AM
Response to Reply #14
155. Who is WLC?
Man, how can you expect people to take your (flawed) arguments seriously if you don't even know the guy's NAME?

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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 08:34 AM
Response to Reply #8
47. You'd have a point if Bill hadn't brought it up himself
If he can't let it rest, why would others ignore his comments.

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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 08:38 AM
Response to Reply #47
49. he was asked a question - and read in to the question what the interviewer was really asking
he has every right to defend himself against those allegations.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 09:36 AM
Response to Reply #49
66. No, he was ready with his comment, even though it wasn't responsive to the question.
Edited on Tue Aug-05-08 09:36 AM by TexasObserver
Bill Clinton is a scoundrel, but he's not an idiot. He knew exactly what he was doing, and did it purposely, because he wants to hurt Obama's chances. Bill Clinton has sold out to the forces of evil. He's not a good Democrat any more. He fits well with his Bushie buddies. He's one of them.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 10:07 AM
Response to Reply #66
85. you might enjoy this site - they focus on conspiracy theories
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 10:12 AM
Response to Reply #85
87. you knew about it, but I didn't, so that says a lot about you, doesn't it?
You're not very good at this message board repartee, are you?



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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 10:23 AM
Response to Reply #87
92. well - sure seems like you have this "conspiracy" all figured out
". . . because he wants to hurt Obama's chances. Bill Clinton has sold out to the forces of evil. He's not a good Democrat any more."
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 10:49 AM
Response to Reply #92
99. Unlike you, I don't frequent conspiracy sites.
Like I said, you're not good at this, are you?
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 10:52 AM
Response to Reply #99
101. no reason to visit them, I guess
You seem to be able to cultivate the conspiracy quite well all by yourself.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 12:12 PM
Response to Reply #101
108. You should stop peddling conspiracy sites.
Is this your first time to try to be witty? It shows.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 12:37 PM
Response to Reply #108
112. "You seem to be able to cultivate the conspiracy quite well all by yourself."
bwaaaaaaaaa

I slay myself . . .
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 12:58 PM
Response to Reply #112
114. Sorry, but I don't buy into your crazy conspiracy theories.
sell crazy somewhere else, lady
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 01:11 PM
Response to Reply #114
116. well - one of us posted "Bill Clinton has sold out to the forces of evil. "
and one of us didn't.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 01:22 PM
Response to Reply #116
119. If you don't know that's a fact, you need to do some research.
Edited on Tue Aug-05-08 01:24 PM by TexasObserver
I'm not taking the time to educate you, because you don't evidence the ability to read, comprehend, and learn, but if you are interested, get someone to teach you how to use google, do some research, and then you won't have to embarrass yourself daily by not knowing what is going on in the world.

Look up Bill Clinton's sources of $80 million in revenues and the hundreds of million in his library slush fund, and then you won't have to walk around clueless all day, every day.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 02:30 PM
Response to Reply #119
123. what is your problem?
Is there some reason your posts have to be so demeaning? Can you not operate on an adult level?

I tried to ignore the first few insults you hurled - but obviously it is a way of life.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 03:02 PM
Response to Reply #123
127. I think you started that line of attack with your conspiracy site post
You brought it down to that level. Kind of silly to complain after.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 03:12 PM
Response to Reply #127
128. shame you cannot see the difference - oh well
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 03:17 PM
Response to Reply #127
129. Bingo!
Edited on Tue Aug-05-08 03:19 PM by TexasObserver
It's amazing how a poster will come out of nowhere, start slinging personal insults that are not aimed at the topic but at the poster whose opinion they don't like, then be surprised when they don't get a dozen roses as a reward for their efforts.

We have a simple concept here. I can say I think Bill Clinton is a major league asshole. He can say "I don't think Bill Clinton is a major league asshole!" He can't say "I think you're a major league asshole because you don't like Bill Clinton!" None of this is difficult for anyone with an IQ over 85 to understand.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 08:29 AM
Response to Reply #127
175. why don't we just say this whole line of posts started with
these tin-foil, conspiracy charges ("selling out to the devil"). They are best discussed on that site.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 10:57 AM
Response to Reply #175
181. Because it started with your irrational, angry personal attacks.
Even now, you lack the ability to understand the difference between my negative comments about Bill Clinton and your negative comments about me.

Your pathetic nagging may gain you something in real life, but it won't get you anything with me. My comments stand. If you're so ill informed or blind that you don't know Bill is an international whore dog, then that's your problem.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 11:27 AM
Response to Reply #181
188. and I stand by my comments as well
"pathetic nagging"??

It would probably serve you well to reread your posts. That is an apt description of them.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 12:02 PM
Response to Reply #181
194. angry? not at all.
I think you are attachinging to some conspiracy theories. That is all.

If you don't like him - I have no problem with that. But to simply believe (or create) these tin-foil conspiracies is silly.

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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 12:15 PM
Response to Reply #194
195. Facts, not theories. Bill sat down with a dictator to get oil rights for a conservative billionaire.
Edited on Wed Aug-06-08 12:31 PM by TexasObserver
Facts, not theories. Bill had a sit down with a dictator to get oil rights for a conservative billionaire, and it was worth over $30 million to Bill.

Bill is a sellout. If you'd spend more time learning and less time whining, you'd know that.

Here is a link. All you have to do is click on it, and then read the column. Then you won't have to be ignorant any more. You'll know that my comments are fact based.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.h...

It's from the New York Times, and here are selected paragraphs:

January 31, 2008
After Mining Deal, Financier Donated to Clinton
By JO BECKER and DON VAN NATTA Jr.

Late on Sept. 6, 2005, a private plane carrying the Canadian mining financier Frank Giustra touched down in Almaty, a ruggedly picturesque city in southeast Kazakhstan. Several hundred miles to the west a fortune awaited: highly coveted deposits of uranium that could fuel nuclear reactors around the world. And Mr. Giustra was in hot pursuit of an exclusive deal to tap them.

Unlike more established competitors, Mr. Giustra was a newcomer to uranium mining in Kazakhstan, a former Soviet republic. But what his fledgling company lacked in experience, it made up for in connections. Accompanying Mr. Giustra on his luxuriously appointed MD-87 jet that day was a former president of the United States, Bill Clinton.

Within two days, corporate records show that Mr. Giustra also came up a winner when his company signed preliminary agreements giving it the right to buy into three uranium projects controlled by Kazakhstans state-owned uranium agency, Kazatomprom.

Just months after the Kazakh pact was finalized, Mr. Clintons charitable foundation received its own windfall: a $31.3 million donation from Mr. Giustra that had remained a secret until he acknowledged it last month. The gift, combined with Mr. Giustras more recent and public pledge to give the William J. Clinton Foundation an additional $100 million, secured Mr. Giustra a place in Mr. Clintons inner circle, an exclusive club of wealthy entrepreneurs in which friendship with the former president has its privileges.


see also:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-love/the-wellconnec...

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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 01:32 PM
Response to Reply #195
200. so let me ask you a couple of questions
you agree with obama's FISA position?
you agree sith obama's position on off-shore drilling?
you agree with obama's position on choice?

How committed are you to this candidate and his stand on issues? Or perhaps you agree there was some good Dem issues being sold out there.

None of this crap about how he vote now - but will change everything when he becomes president.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 02:33 PM
Response to Reply #200
210. So now that I've shown you the facts about Bill's selling out, you want to switch to bashing Obama?
Not gonna play that. Obama's job is to get elected, not keep every Tom, Dick and Harry in the Democratic party happy with everything he does.

It's him or McCain. If you and Bill Clinton, and other alleged Democrats who aren't happy with Obama want to complain the whole way, you'll do it without me listening to you. I've heard it every four years, and it's always the same pathetic whiners, totally consumed with their own beliefs. They're the main reason we lose big elections.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 02:41 PM
Response to Reply #210
211. thought so
I did not bash obama one time. Just checking on your level of commitment.

and yes - I have personal beliefs - and do not feel the least bit guilty about that. Our difference is - I can accept that you have other beliefs. You can't. Anyone disagrees with you - you start the ad hominem attacks and the conspriracy theories.

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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 03:10 PM
Response to Reply #211
212. Good bye, Mr. Obama Hater. Too bad you can't be honest.
You're not capable of being truthful, of understanding what you read, or of refraining from making asinine and unsupported allegations against others.



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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 03:17 PM
Response to Reply #212
214. there you go again
I made absolutely no comments about Obama - yet you come back with "Obama Hater". You accuse me of not being truthful. You accuse me of being unable to read. You accuse me of "asinine and unsupported allegations against others" (not sure what this one is all about).

The only allegation I remember making had to do with your conspiracy theories. oh yeah - also being a tad sensitive about others that disagree with you. (you must admit to that one).

Just curious - did you wander over here from FR? That level of clinton-hatred had to have it's genesis somewhere.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 01:52 AM
Response to Reply #123
167. Now you're reduced to stealing lines from Foghorn Leghorn?!
Didn't they teach you to give proper attribution?

Your nagging countenance and nature are the only problem in this thread.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 08:18 AM
Response to Reply #167
173. I confess to having to look up Foghorn Leghorn
But, now the whole juvenile, conspiracy-based string makes sense.

A significant after-school activity has been brought to light.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 08:53 AM
Response to Reply #173
177. There you go again.
Edited on Wed Aug-06-08 09:05 AM by TexasObserver
Your lack of game is becoming legendary.

Got any more lame, dead ender comments?

Aren't you weary of dragging that cross?
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 09:06 AM
Response to Reply #177
178. nope - no cross
and no conspiracy theories just because he doesn't fall on his sword for obama.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 11:00 AM
Response to Reply #178
182. dupe
Edited on Wed Aug-06-08 11:01 AM by TexasObserver
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 11:02 AM
Response to Reply #178
183. No one asked Bill to "fall on his sword," just to "shut his big mouth!"
Edited on Wed Aug-06-08 11:06 AM by TexasObserver
The loser gets in line behind the winner, and we go on. There are always a few cry babies who sit down and bawl, instead of getting on down the road. Bill doesn't need to fall on his sword. He just needs to shut his big, pompous mouth.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 11:22 AM
Response to Reply #183
185. not sure why he would need to do that
far as I know - he has the right and, probably the responsibility, to speak out.

Time to recognize there are differences of opinion - and the right to a different opinion includes all party members, even former presidents. And they have the right to express that opinion.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 12:33 PM
Response to Reply #185
196. Because he's supposed to be a Democrat and care about our winning.
The fact that you can't figure all that out only reveals that you're not committed to our party winning in November.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 01:27 PM
Response to Reply #196
198. please do not assume you know anything about my preferences or commitments
you know nothing

and I will say again - everyone - including past presidents are entitled to opinion of their choosing. To dictate one's beliefs in nothing but fascist in nature. We are individuals and entitled to our own thoughts and beliefs.
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 11:45 PM
Response to Reply #85
146. takes me 10 minutes to drive home from work
Edited on Tue Aug-05-08 11:45 PM by swampg8r
late at night and i listen to that show
do you mean to tell me it isnt a comedy?
i always thought they were making that shit up!
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 11:24 AM
Response to Reply #146
186. I agree - it is a very entertaining show
the stuff that the listeners come up can be so bizarre.
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 12:21 AM
Response to Reply #186
216. but its real?
the callers believe what they say?
im serious i always thought it was like that phil hendry guys show
all made up
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 07:24 AM
Response to Reply #216
217. and I always thought it was absolutely real
that is what I thought was so great about it.

Everyone has their little weird conspiracy theory - and this place lets them talk about it. Heaven knows no one else will listen to them.

It gets better as the night goes on.
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 11:15 AM
Response to Reply #217
222. im not worried about here
im concerned my comedy sense is way off
i have for real been hearing this show and always thought it was comedy
i mean knee slapping funny stuff
i wasnt raised to laugh at the mentally unfit and now i feel a little wrong
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 01:23 AM
Response to Reply #8
154. Telling the truth about their lies isn't bashing.
Never has been, never will be.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 07:38 AM
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 08:21 AM
Response to Reply #12
39. See you in your coffin, Mattombstonelo
:hi:
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 08:47 AM
Response to Reply #39
54. Wow, the mods really dealt with that one fast!!
I gotta believe that was a retread of some recently departed poster.
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 07:38 AM
Response to Original message
13. He knows he just can't say something like you and I over such an issue.
So I just don't understand it. He is the voice equal to millions of voices.

So does Obama call in John Kerry to continue the race issue? Or do we all let the distraction distract the distractor and show their distraction is not working? I like the latter because are not playing their game.
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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 07:42 AM
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15. I am not a racist like Barack implied and I won't say Barack is qualified...
Got it...no support from Bill. Check.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 07:45 AM
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 07:58 AM
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21. please stop stinking up this thread with juvenile attacks.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 08:13 AM
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 08:18 AM
Response to Reply #17
37. Actually, they did,
and his answer was "I think he SHOULD be elected and I think he WILL be elected"....see? No endorsement or support there...He did not say "Obama is by far the most qualified person EVER to run for Prsident of these United States, and I apologize that I didn't abandon Hillary to point that our to you all long, long ago!".....see?
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 08:02 AM
Response to Reply #15
22. oops - last time I checked he had a right to that
private citizen and all
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 07:47 AM
Response to Original message
18. He doth protesteth far too mucheth.
if he doesn't stop it then I may get the impression that there's more to it.
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endthewar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 07:55 AM
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20. You need to understand how Bill's mind works
Some people hear a question and answer that question. Not Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton is very intelligent and tries to read into questions. That question was obviously loaded to see what he would say about the race issue in the primaries. That shouldn't be hard to figure out by the way. After all, the interview was done during the height of race being reintroduced into the campaign. He knew that the question was code for, "Do you regret your race-related comments during the primaries?" Don't hate Bill because he can see through transparent interview questions.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 08:07 AM
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 08:12 AM
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29. go back to whatever hate site you came from
your posts are flat out disgusting and brimming with ugliness.
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 08:24 AM
Response to Reply #25
43. Actually,
I think the poster is correct, and it is not a hate post at all. It is a post which id DEFENDING president Clinton against all of the baseless attacks.

The poster is correct. President Clinton is able to see through all of the bull put out by interviewers trying to trip him, and all politicians, for that matter, up.
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 11:34 AM
Response to Reply #20
189. And, being SO intelligent, he should have IGNORED the bait instead
of leaping onto it like a hungry fish.

Not smart.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 03:12 PM
Response to Reply #189
213. That's right. He went out of his way to volunteer a negative response.
Unless we're to believe that Bill is suddenly senile, and in his diminished state simply can no longer comprehend the import of his comments.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 08:08 AM
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26. Bill is about Bill 24/7. Always has been, always will be.
Edited on Tue Aug-05-08 08:11 AM by TexasObserver
He is aging very, very badly. He's turned into a grumpy, whiny old curmudgeon.

On the heels of the latest assault on Obama by the GOP, Bill jumped right in there on the side of McCain.

Don't go away mad, Bill, just go away.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 08:17 AM
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35. No one called Bill a racist. They said he played the race card, which he did.
He needs to shut up.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 08:20 AM
Response to Reply #28
38. Oh stop
People thought he said insensitive things. Stop lying on Clyburn, he never called him a racist. He told him to chill.

What's amazing is that so many people fail to understand that you can say racially insensitive things without being racist. I think folks like you purposely blur that.

People weren't saying he was a racist. The fact that he and others like you screamed that he was being called a racist is a lie.

You can continue to scream that but you will still be a lie.

Talk about whiners.. my goodness.
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 08:23 AM
Response to Reply #38
41. Are you new to DU? Bill Clinton was called a racist right here. nt
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 08:44 AM
Response to Reply #41
53. The Obama camp didn't call him a racist, Clyburn didn't either
The first charge of racism came from the Clintons when they cried that people were calling them racists.

They did say some racially insensitive things and need to live up to that. I'm sick of this crying because they said some stupid things. If they didn't say anything there would be no case.

It's wrong to say that this came from the Obama camp.

Most blacks who criticized him never said he was racist.

We need a working definition of that word because it's used far too often. I believe most people hide behind that word because they don't really want the discussion to go forward.

They said some dumb stuff and got called on it.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 09:08 AM
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57. You can find people saying anything on DU
Most people were making exactly the same point that he was playing the race card and that he had no history of racism.

It was the Clinton people who kept conflating the two.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 10:50 AM
Response to Reply #41
100. What was posted on DU is irrelevant.
I tend to doubt Bill Clinton was responding to posts on DU. Not only did he make it seem as though Obama called him a racist (untrue), but he went out of his way to do that.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 08:26 AM
Response to Reply #28
45. Stop attacking other posters for having opinions you don't like.
It's perfectly acceptable to attack public figures. What you are doing is not acceptable. You are attacking posters because you don't like their opinions.

Stop posting long enough to read the rules, and take a day or two to let them soak in.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 08:13 AM
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31. He's in Legacy Repair Mode, or at least he thinks he is.
The question is: is he fixing it or is he making it worse?
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Meshuga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 08:17 AM
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36. That was the first question that came to mind when I saw the news story. n/t
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 08:24 AM
Response to Reply #36
44. Me, too. I cringed the instant I heard it and thought "why, Bill?!"
There's simply no excuse for an adult to behave like that. Bill is far too bright and politically savvy to say these things without knowing their impact.
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 08:21 AM
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40. And your post IS an effort for unity? nt
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 08:52 AM
Response to Reply #40
56. it's quite interesting that the folks who try and shut up any criticism of Bill Clinton
at all, are often the very same folks who screech about how they should be able to criticize Obama.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 09:31 AM
Response to Reply #56
61. Good point
Pretty ironic.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 09:33 AM
Response to Reply #56
62. and the people that continually criticize the Clintons rail against
any criticism toward Obama.

Guess is kinda works both ways.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 09:52 AM
Response to Reply #62
78. I think that was the point of the post
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 10:08 AM
Response to Reply #78
86. no -the point of the post was to continue to drive a wedge
between Obama and Clinton supporters.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 10:18 AM
Response to Reply #86
90. No, the point is that it goes both ways
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 10:27 AM
Response to Reply #90
93. huh???? Perhaps I am missing your point - but the OP, as I read it,
is simply bashing WLC. I do not see anything about these comments going "both ways".
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 10:28 AM
Response to Reply #93
95. I'm not talking about the OP
My replies are in response to cali's post.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 10:31 AM
Response to Reply #95
96. oh - sorry - was getting confused
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 10:34 AM
Response to Reply #96
97. That's ok
This IS a long thread. I should have been clearer with my previous posts. :)
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 01:34 AM
Response to Reply #93
157. That's the SECOND TIME you called him WLC, which means the first wasn't a typo.
Don't you think you should, you know, actually know the name of the guy you're "defending"?

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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 08:27 AM
Response to Reply #157
174. not sure why I typed that . .
I do know the difference. And I am sure you realize that.

Trying to post while at work - my mind is wandering, I guess.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 09:55 AM
Response to Reply #56
80. bill clinton is the little baby jesus dontcha know...
n/t
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 08:38 AM
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50. He sure said and did some racist things. It's about WHAT HE DID AND SAID NOT WHAT HE IS.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 09:38 AM
Response to Reply #50
69. If one does racist things, they are a racist. He's a racist.
We saw what he said and did. There is no excuse, no justification. He's just another guy who whips out the racial slams when he doesn't get his way.
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LVjinx Donating Member (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 01:39 AM
Response to Reply #69
161. What "Racist things" did he do... Please provide links, with video preferably.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 08:50 AM
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55. I'm just really, really disappointed in Bill.
Edited on Tue Aug-05-08 08:52 AM by TexasObserver
When I think of all the times I have defended him over the past 16 years, and now he's put himself before the party, before the country, all because he's petulant over not being the King of the Democratic Party any more.

At the wedding, he wants to be the bride. At the christening, he wants to be the baby. At graduation, he has to be the valedictorian. It's always ME ME ME with Bill, and I hate that.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 09:14 AM
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59. 2012, 2012, 2012, 2012 - Bill's mantra.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 10:54 AM
Response to Reply #59
102. No 2012 For The Clintons
If Obama wins in 2008, he will be the standard bearer in 2012. If Obama loses in 2008, many Dems will blame the Clintons and those supporters of theirs who refuse to back Obama (a) at all or (b) wholeheartedly. Either way, no 2012 for the Clintons.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 12:44 PM
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113. Try to tell them that! :)
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 09:36 AM
Response to Original message
65. I sincerely believe it's no accident
and I sincerely believe teh former president would like to see an Obama loss this year.

That's my opinion. I'm sticking to it.
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mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 09:37 AM
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67. Interviewer :President Clinton, how do you feel about the racism charges made against you?"
Clinton "I am not a racists"

DU - HE'S A RACIST! HIS DENIAL OF BEING A RACIST IS A SLAM AGAINST OBAMA...DENYING HE IS A RACIST WHEN ASKED MEANS HE IS A RACIST..HE IS RUINING OBAMA'S CHANCES...WE WANT HIM TO BE A RACIST..OHHHHHH NOOOOOZZZZZZZ CALL CONGRESS RIGHT NOW...GET THE PM BRIGADE GOING, WE GOTTA MAKE THIS AN ISSHEW NOW!

get a grip people. He is not a racist...Direct your pissed-offedness toward McCain and his minions, who absolutely ARE. THOSE people want the White House, at all costs. Even if it means planting a viral, untrue, nasty, unfounded, horrid seed....because everyone knows Bill Clinton has been a racist his whole entire life...NOT (stupid stupid STUPID...do you all not GET who is behind this at all?)

This presidential race was either going to be about race baiting or gender baiting from the Republicans and their sneaky minions, and that includes that nasty gang of 10 - depending on who bit the dust in the primary. If we do not turn this around and make it about REPUBLICANS and their treasonous pillaging and raping of this and other countries and our current economic plight, then WE WILL LOSE. A recent poll in the original capital of Ohio, Chillicothe (55 miles from where I sit now), says people do not give a rat's ASS about the war, they are suffering financially and NOTHING else matters to them...not race, not gender...they simply want lower gas prices, their jobs back, and reasonable costs for health insurance. And they want us OUT of Iraq not because they OBJECT to it, but because they want the money we are SPENDING on it brought back to here to create alternative energy, jobs, infrastructure, etc. (and believe me, WHOMEVER issues the best energy plan based on alternatives will have a HUGE leg up...and it needs to be understandable, not written/presented in layweresque) Not so hard. And it is what we need to be talking about.

You don't even want me starting a rant about election theft...which has EVERYTHING to do with race and economic situations of folks....and is something the Republicans are meeting about as we SIT here and call a former Dem president a racist...over and over and OVER again. Real productive.

/rant off...sorry, I am so utterly fearful of the election suppression I see coming down the pike, that off topic crap like these types of divisive posts just frustrate me beyond patience. I am not going to ask fools to stop posting about their pre-conceived ideas of racism regarding Bill Clinton, because their opinion is guaranteed by the freedoms of this county..but I am also free to call BS and point fingers and LAUGH about how you fell for the "look, over there" diversion from the ugly side of the Republican party....cause that is where it came from.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 09:52 AM
Response to Reply #67
77. Do you have a link to the interviewer asking that?
Who used the word "racist" first. The quote I read had Clinton bringing it up in response to a question that asked what he would do differently.
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mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 09:54 AM
Response to Reply #77
79. It was a paraphrase
did you read my post or just the first line of it?
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 10:03 AM
Response to Reply #79
81. I read the entire thing
The reason I asked was that if the interviewer did ask that, then I would take back all my comments because he was not the one to bring it up. If the question was the one I referred to, that is not a paraphrase, but complete fiction.
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mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 10:16 AM
Response to Reply #81
89. And I suppose you think the DU comments of the portion I listed are actual quotes too?
I was making a point, in my own satirical kind of way, why, IMO only, this uproar over this now is divisive, non-productive, overblown look over there politics.

Sorry if this is not how you would do it...carry on.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 10:05 AM
Response to Reply #77
82. I watched the interview, and Bill's response was a non sequitur.
He blurted it out, with no question to prompt it.

He wanted to say it, he intended to say, and he said it because he knew it would support the GOP's recent meme. That is what makes this incident so disgusting.
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mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 10:28 AM
Response to Reply #82
94. Carry on then
happy day to ya! Sounds like you have a PLAN.

:hi:
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 10:47 AM
Response to Reply #82
98. Thanks - that was what I thought , but as I hadn't watched it I wanted
to be sure that there wasn't a sequence of questions - only some of which were in what I had read - that could have made his comments reasonable. It's happened to others - and I didn't want to be unfairly criticizing Clinton. If what he said were true - I would have self deleted the comments I made in this thread while it is early enough to do so.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 10:20 AM
Response to Reply #67
91. Hmmmmph!
If President Clinton truly supported Obama, he would put on a minstrel show at the next KKK rally while telling everyone he's a diehard racist!

Way to support Unity, Bill!
:sarcasm:
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 11:53 AM
Response to Reply #91
105. Enthusiastic endorsement and campaiging will do.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 05:54 PM
Response to Reply #91
131. or he could just keep his mouth shut. is that really so much to ask?
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 11:55 AM
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106. I don't think we really need his kind of 'unity'. I've had it with him. I'm done.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 11:55 AM
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107. If he said the sky was blue
you'd find some attack on Obama in that.
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 12:15 PM
Response to Reply #107
109. Why is it so hard to believe some people were ACTUALLY offended by his remarks?
Do you think EVERYONE is feigning outrage?
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 12:24 PM
Response to Reply #109
111. Because it doesn't fit monkeyfunk's narrative .....
... that people who are upset with something Bill or Hillary have done are exhibiting irrational hatred for the Clintons.


It's impossible for either of them to commit a faux pas.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 05:59 PM
Response to Reply #111
134. they are merely running with the Victim card first played by the Clintons
What they dismiss as hatred for the Clintons is actually a lack of forgiveness for their atrocious behavior. All that doesn't fit into that narrative is deemed to be spin. It's a rationalization that seems to work nicely for those emotionally invested in the Clintons.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 06:12 PM
Response to Reply #134
138. The Victims are all over this thread
Luckily for me, they're almost all ignored.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 06:19 PM
Response to Reply #138
140. here's a synopsis of what you're missing ...
Edited on Tue Aug-05-08 06:29 PM by AtomicKitten
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 05:57 PM
Response to Reply #107
132. do you not see a difference in "the sky is blue" and "Jesse Jackson won SC in 84 and 88"?
One has nothing to do with anything.

The other is deliberately bringing up Obama's race.
What else does Obama have in common with Jesse Jackson?
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 06:03 PM
Response to Reply #132
135. Saying Jesse Jackson won SC isn't racist
no matter how many times idiots say it is.

Yesterday's tire gauge wasnt' racist, either. it makes us all look like morons to scream racism over stuff that is clearly not racist.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 06:06 PM
Response to Reply #135
136. This is so funny
Typical but still funny.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 06:08 PM
Response to Reply #135
137. oh? what else do Obama and Jackson have in common?
Why didn't Bill mention any other Democrat who had carried SC?

You know the answer.

He was drawing a connection based on Race.
Using it in an attempt to diminish Obama's victory.
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LVjinx Donating Member (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 01:44 AM
Response to Reply #137
164. The quote, as described my Rep Meeks, included ALL democratic primary winners from the last 30 years
So the entire body of your message is false. Since you seem to have some knowledge of the alleged quote, I'm guessing the falsehood is intentional.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 02:10 PM
Response to Reply #164
207. so what do Jackson and Obama have in common, other than skin color?
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 11:38 AM
Response to Reply #135
190. NAME ONE THING OBAMA and J.JACKSON HAVE IN COMMON BESIDES THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN.
You didn't answer that previous quetion...
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 02:04 PM
Response to Reply #135
205. HELLO?!?! Still waiting for your reply....
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 01:08 PM
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115. Bill could've just NOT answered the questions AGAIN!! Come on Bill man, get on board with us
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 01:17 PM
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117. If Bill Clinton thinks that this denial at this time is going repair his relationship
with African Americans, he is misreading quite a bit. Getting out there and promoting our candidate and campaigning heartily for him is much better than any whiny answer.

We are not stupid, Bill. Don't continue to treat us that way. It is quite insulting.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 01:19 PM
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118. Clinton was poised with precisely what he wanted to say in his non sequitur response.
Clinton's timing stinks particularly in light of his tepid statement of support for the Democratic nominee. The black man stole his show (nod to Fr. Plager), and Clinton is still flailing about explaining himself, casting aspersions, and sniveling.

The tragic irony here is that the Clintons are entirely responsible for the discomfort they are feeling try as they might to blame everyone EXCEPT themselves.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 01:29 PM
Response to Original message
120. Many of these charges against Bill Clinton..
Many of these charges against Bill Clinton are brought to you courtesy of the Rush Limabugh and his A.M. Radio Talk Show Band... as I've heard them all there first.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 01:57 PM
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122. one good thing from that interview - tells me Hillary is NOT v.p. :)
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 02:52 PM
Response to Reply #122
126. silver lining there
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 01:37 AM
Response to Reply #122
160. She never had a chance anyway.
NT!

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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 02:48 PM
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124. It's not that deep
Some people want to contrive some sinister motive out of everything Clinton says.
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Scout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 02:51 PM
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125. is it BILL that is pushing it?? n/t
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 05:59 PM
Response to Reply #125
133. yep. He's a smart man. He knows what words to use. He knows about timing.
This is intentional.
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Scout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 10:51 AM
Response to Reply #133
179. he's not the one PUSHING anything
he answered the question asked of him, but he's not the one flogging it to death on the internet...

:eyes:
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 06:18 PM
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139. Yes, Jack, it's all part of the Vast Clinton Conspiracy only you and a few other haters can see.
:eyes:
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 06:42 PM
Response to Reply #139
141. please explain his timing
Bill knows exactly what he is doing.
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LVjinx Donating Member (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 01:40 AM
Response to Reply #141
162. Was this a press conference? My understanding was he was answering a question.
Maybe THAT explains the timing.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 02:13 PM
Response to Reply #162
208. you are ignoring the fact that Bill is a smart man. He knows what to say and what not to say.
He knew exactly what would be made out of these statements, and he made them anyway.

You can play dumb, but Bill isn't.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 11:32 PM
Response to Reply #139
144. "Barack Obama is no Martin Luther King"
Edited on Tue Aug-05-08 11:33 PM by Major Hogwash
That came out of Bubba's own mouth, the week before Martin Luther King's birthday.

Nobody made Bubba say that, he said it on his own.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 11:48 PM
Response to Reply #144
147. Lilnk?
I searched and searched, but only found where Helen Thomas had made such a remark, in regards to the media coverage of Obama during the primaries. Couldn't find that quote attributed to Bill Clinton. Since you made the assertion, maybe you have a link?

Take your time, I'm out 'till in the morning.
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LVjinx Donating Member (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 01:41 AM
Response to Reply #147
163. Strangely, no one EVER seems to have a link to Bill Clinton's horrible, racist comments.
I wonder why that might be.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 01:56 PM
Response to Reply #163
201. Were you watching tv in January?
Strange is right. I think white people look the other way whenever it is convenient.

And Jesse Jackson ain't white, lady.
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Scout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 10:52 AM
Response to Reply #144
180. well, Barack is NOT Martin Luther King ... no one is
so what's the problem?
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 01:58 PM
Response to Reply #180
202. And Bubba ain't Thomas Jefferson!!
So why did the Hillary campaign make that comment?

Explain to me why they said that?
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Scout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 06:52 PM
Response to Reply #202
215. who said Bill Clinton was Thomas Jefferson?
and i have no idea about why the Hillary campaign says or doesn't say anything ... your demands not withstanding.
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 10:53 PM
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143. Agreed. A completely stupid thing for him to do--at best. n/t
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 11:35 PM
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145. He's trying to restore his legacy.
But he should probably wait until after the elections to do so.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 01:29 AM
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156. Stop the baseless smears, he isn't racist. He simply stating it, the reporter asked the question.
He answered it, and defended himself.
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LVjinx Donating Member (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 01:46 AM
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165. Probably no more of an agenda than the people who accused him of being racist in the first place.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 01:48 AM
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166. Keeping race, front and center works against Obama
and no matter what they say, the Clintons are quite pissed at Obama for ruining their plans..

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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 02:03 AM
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168. Yeah, yeah. So pissed that Hillary is, GASP, campaigning for Obama.
OH NOESSS!!11
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 02:04 AM
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169. She said she would, and she is.. and she's hopeful that
the support will help retire her campaign debt.. Politics is just that way.. It is many-layered :)
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 02:09 AM
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170. Really? Seems Hillary has helped Obama more than vice versa.
So who does it really benefit?

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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 02:13 AM
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171. Um..he's kinda busy these days... less than 100 days to go
Edited on Wed Aug-06-08 02:14 AM by SoCalDem
and he's got to campaign, prepare for debates, and raise money for his own campaign.. Had she dropped out when she lost (Mar 4) her debt would probably be zero by now.. and his campaigning would be easier too..by not having to undo all the extra damage incurred Mar-Jun...

Pols win and lose to each other all the time, and I'm sure things will work out the way they are supposed to.. Bill's not running for anything, and he's still pissed..Hil's got more campaigns ahead of her ( NY Gov), so she's got to be a little more circumspect..She'll be fine :)

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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 11:45 AM
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191. What, precisely, would you like him to do for her?
He owes her NOTHING.
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 11:49 AM
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192. Nothing matters but his ego. I think he's trying to attack Obama
All too perfect timing for this IMO. Clinton is no political novice. He knows exactly what he's doing. Honestly I would like to see his speaking tour itinerary. Maybe he's set to give a speech to an oil/pharma company soon?
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RedShoes Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 01:32 PM
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199. Maybe because he's not a racist, and someone asked him about that?
how they played that in SC was politically brilliant, but not factual. Bill Clinotn's not a racist. Anyone who allowed the suggestion must leave it to him to be his own advocate.
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 02:31 PM
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209. The question was not about race, though he decided to make that his answer, odd....
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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:12 AM
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221. Not odd at all. He's embittered. Angry.
and he's determined to get even, classic passive-aggressive behavior
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