I thought I'd remind you, Bill Clinton supports Obama--not McCain

[PresidentObama]

Seems some of you are confused, and want to paint Clinton as selfish and pro-Republican.

He's in Africa right now, fighting for a greater cause. He'll be back soon enough, and on the trail for Obama with Hillary and Chelsea. In case you didn't realize the time frame, it's only August. We've got a couple of months left. Clinton will be best used in the final months of the campaign, on the trail in battleground states. If you don't think he's committed to electing Obama, you're ignorant and don't recognize the reality in front of you.

Be patient, and let him do his foundations business in Africa. If anyones being selfish, it's not Bill. He's on board, and will be helping Obama get elected more than most of us could. So stop bashing, stop smearing, stop looking for blood, and cool it.

Bill Clinton supports Barack Obama. Not John McCain.

No matter how much you guys wish he didn't.

[pnwmom]

1. K & R. I'm sure he's doing exactly what Obama wants him to do. n/t

[PresidentObama]

4. Exactly. Did anyone ever think Bill is waiting for an assignment from the Obama campaign?

I think the Obama campaign is saving him for this fall, in key battleground states.

Hillary has helped when Obama's campaign has asked. So I have to believe Bill will do the same.

In the meantime, he's doing some great work in Africa!

[Phx_Dem]

2. Clinton does a fine job

of painting himself as selfish. He doesn't need any help. Being out of the country is no excuse for his tepid (at best) support for Obama during a 45 minute interview. If anyone wonders why the hardcore Hillary supporters ae still whining, they need look no further than Bill, leading the way.

http://thepage.time.com/2008/08/03/bill-clinton-sparing-with-praise-for-obama/

[PresidentObama]

3. Bill hasn't whined once. He came out in support of Obama, and the Clintons have given full support.

Hillary has already campaigned for Obama, and raised money for him. And I read an article that she plans to do so plenty more before election day. And Clinton is out of the country doing important work in Africa, and will help Obama all he can this fall.

You can paint the Clintons as selfish all you want, it won't stick because it's not true.

[geek tragedy]

11. Bill has helped McCain more than Obama.

McCain accuses Obama of playing the race card, and here comes Bill to agree with McCain.

[JoFerret]

75. You are doing a pretty fine job of that yourself. n/t

.

[catgirl]

70. Bill needs a year

to come out with "the truth" about Obama................. He's bitter and selfish. I do believe
he would be happy if McCain won. I've see no evidence of support for Obama. But, who
cares about Bill and his ego? Not me.

[PresidentObama]

74. Who cares about what you think about a popular ex-President? Not me.

He is not bitter nor selfish.

And he's came out in support of Obama. As has Hillary.

Your smears won't change that.

[WeDidIt]

81. Getting a blow job in the Oval Office when he was married and KNEW

the right wing was out to get him was pretty fucking SELFISH, if you ask me.

[catgirl]

82. Smears? You're the smearer here

He's not bitter, huh? I answered your question and your
reply is just a useless attack. Like I said, you're on my Ignore
list now. Good riddance. Have a nice (bitter) life.

[Clintonista2]

5. In the 30 seconds it takes for me to type this, Clinton will have done more to improve the world...

than you will in your entire life. Discuss.

[cboy4]

6. ......

:spray:

So true.

[Phx_Dem]

9. How would you know?

In the future could you confine your comments to what was posted?

Thanks.

[geek tragedy]

13. That the PUMA and CapHill crowd are here

cheering him on tells you what he's up to.

[polmaven]

44. It looks like there are more

here who are NOT supporters of Senator Clinton to which the PUMA acronym applies than there are who are her supporters.

[Whisp]

18. so how about all them dead Iraqi's and Rawandians.

some east timorese as well.
and who knows who else.

now That's New and Improved alright!
Such a Humanitarian!

:(

[Phx_Dem]

41. ...

:puke:

(posted by Mrs Phx_Dem)

[beachmom]

52. And more importantly. Make another $1 million giving a speech!

Jimmy Carter is FAR more an impressive ex-President as is Vice President Gore a far more impressive activist.

[PresidentObama]

53. Says you n/t

[pecwae]

85. How dare he go to Africa!

It's bullshit, bullshit!

[Name removed]

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[endthewar]

7. Obama still has the Bill Clinton photo op to roll out

and I think he's waiting for the perfect moment. Let McCain continue with his juvenile ad antics and then have Obama look presidential with Bill Clinton on the stage next to him.

[geek tragedy]

16. There will be no Bill photo op.

He's trying to get McCain elected.

[MonkeyFunk]

19. Don't be stupid

no he's not.

[geek tragedy]

20. If that's not the case, then he's so easily goaded into taking

a reporter's bait that he can't be trusted as a surrogate.

[endthewar]

33. You're drinking the media Kool-Aid again

Bill Clinton had a news conference a couple of weeks ago. The clear message from it was that Clinton would campaign for Obama and that the Obama camp is trying to find the best time to roll out the Bill-Barack photo op.

[MonkeyFunk]

66. Frankly, I don't know why you want him to campaign for Obama

there's a contingent here that so clearly hates him, why do you guys give a fuck?

[geek tragedy]

78. If he would stop doing harm, that would help. n/t

[polmaven]

45. And they say it is WE

who are whining! :shrug:

[PresidentObama]

38. Evidence? Or making up shit and spreading smears again?

[geek tragedy]

10. I don't believe Bill is telling the truth.

He kneecapped Obama with his comments about race today.

[Bake]

26. You're out of your fucking mind!

That's just bullshit, and you ought to be ashamed.

Bake

[WeDidIt]

83. I agree with geek tragedy

100% kneecapping of Obama.

Obama is fighting both the Republicans and many Democrats.

[mcctatas]

12. It's amazing to me that this still needs to be overtly stated....

Even when I hated the big dog during the primaries, I never questioned his loyalty to the party and the nominee (whoever that may be). If we put one tenth of this energy into bashing McCain, we would be in much better shape :hi:

[geek tragedy]

15. So, his backing McCain up over the race issue

tells me that, as is often the case, Bill is lying.

[PresidentObama]

39. Thank you!! n/t

[AtomicKitten]

14. No evidence so far that that is true.

sorry, but it is what it is

[BklynChick]

24. word.

[PresidentObama]

34. No evidence? Well, he DID endorse him.

Seems like evidence enough.

[polmaven]

47. As I noted in a thread earlier today....

Facts, facts, facts. Since when do we let mere facts stand in the way of some good Clinton bashing fodder? Tsk!

[PresidentObama]

49. I guess you're right. If you lie about the Clintons, just cover it up by claiming they're the liars

And smear, smear, smear.

[beachmom]

59. Okay, fine. PLEASE show me a spirited statement by Bill Clinton

backing up our nominee. All we've got is a meandering statement that ends with supporting Obama.

Howard Dean was better.

[babylonsister]

64. I haven't seen ANY evidence either. nt

[BeyondGeography]

17. I'm sure he'll be all broken up if McCain wins

(Waste of thread...we all believe what we believe on this one.)

[PresidentObama]

35. The DU GDP page is full of daily VP speculation, and this is a waste of a thread?

Sorry. I'll just let the anti-Clinton smears go, and people claim he supports McCain.

[bunnies]

21. Link?

I'd love to see a quote from Bill Clinton in support of Obama.

[ecstatic]

22. Why is he screaming about not being a racist?!?

He wants the narrative to be that the Obama camp accused him of being a racist, and now the Obama camp is accusing McCain of the same thing. His actions are ugly and obvious.

I don't think he is a racist, but I'm truly convinced that he's an asshole!

[PresidentObama]

40. You call Clinton an asshole? Wow. Karl, is that you?

[beachmom]

54. Um, the right wing blogs love Bill Clinton now:

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/04/why-bill-clinton-may-cheer-john-mccain/

Ironically, Bill may find vindication in John McCain’s pushback on Barack Obama’s race-card play this week. McCain pounded Obama for the last several days after Obama accused McCain and Republicans for attacking him because he doesn’t “look like all those presidents on the dollar bills … and a funny name”. Even his own advisers were forced to acknowelege that Obama wasn’t talking about powdered wigs, and a majority of voters in a Rasmussen poll blamed Obama for smearing McCain.

McCain’s victory on this point should suggest a re-examination of the Bill-as-race-card-player meme of the primaries. Obama’s attack now looks like a pattern. He wants to pose as a post-racial candidate, but whenever anyone criticizes him too effectively, Obama retreats behind a my-opponents-are-racists defilade. Bill can hope that McCain’s victory and exposure of this strategy will retroactively give people a chance to reconsider their previous condemnation of his own behavior.

And the reverse is also true. Bill’s continued and impassioned defense against these charges help bolster McCain’s efforts this week. That’s why Clinton told ABC that the conversation would be “counterproductive”, but he couldn’t restrain his anger for very long in the event. The “post-racial” pose is collapsing, and it benefits both McCain and Bill Clinton.

The Right will continue to "sympathize" with Bill, until Bill actually BACKS UP Obama, which thus far, he has not done. Tepidly saying you support the nominee doesn't mean much, K2008. Getting out there and DEFENDING the nominee does. Pissing off the right wing, means you're a team player.

[Pisces]

23. THen he should keep reminding us with more effusive praise!!

[Phx_Dem]

25. I'm not too sure about that.

This morning on XM's POTUS 08 channel they aired part of an interview with Clinton in Africa. Asked about the presidential race, he didn't even mention Obama's name. He said, "I think it's really important for people to decide who they want to win."

Wow. What a ringing non-endorsement. I have yet to hear him say he is voting for Obama or urge anyone else to.

[polmaven]

48. They aired PART of it?

And that is enough for you to decide he NEVER mentioned Obama's name? Get back to us when you have heard the ENTIRE interview.

[Phx_Dem]

72. You bet.

Because it was 45 minutes long and they aired his entire response to questions about Obama. They aired part of the 45 minute interview, NOT part of his answer.

And guess what? They aired his whiny-ass comments on CNN tonight also. He's so jealous that he is now irrelvant that he can't see straight. And, as usual for Bill, he can't stay away from the cameras so he's just making himself look like the huge fool that he is with his constant harping. He is not a statesman, he's a narcistic, self-absorbed baby/asshole who thinks nothing of humiliating his long-suffering wife.

For someone who is such a huge supporter of Hillary, you might think of her for a change instead of her asshole, cheating husband who humiliates her at every opportunity. Every one. He's a pig.

(Mrs Phx_Dem)

[AspenRose]

27. Um

You might want to take this up with the Daily News

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/08/04/2008-08-04_bill_clinton_given_golden_opportunity_fa.html

[scheming daemons]

28. I love the big dawg... but let's be clear.... Bill Clinton supports Bill Clinton

He supports whatever best helps his legacy. He's the ultimate narcissist.


Now... most of the time, what is good for Bill is ALSO good for the country.


But if Bill Clinton thinks that it is somehow to his advantage if Obama loses... then Bill Clinton will work for Obama to lose. And if he thinks (as he should) that it is to his advantage if Obama wins... then he'll work for that.


Bill has one ethic, and one ethic only. "How does this help me?"

[JerseygirlCT]

30. I agree with you

As you say, so long as our interests merge, all is good.

But bottom line is it's all about Bill.

[PresidentObama]

36. Yes because being in Africa instead of sitting at home TOTALLY helps him.

Bullshit.

[polmaven]

71. As well as being TOTALLY

selfish!

[beachmom]

62. Thank you for explaining Bill Clinton so eloquently.

Bookmarked.

[JerseygirlCT]

29. Glad he's in Africa. Glad he's working on the foundation.

Glad he says he's supporting Obama.

Not glad he decided to state that in his usual cagey way.

I'd like a whole lot fewer qualified statements and a whole lot more enthusiasm from him. Even if he has to manufacture it.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

31. I can't wait for the "Democrat" DU member who likes Republicans more than Hillary to show up.

TICK TOCK TICK TOCK.

He/she/it always has something to say against a Clinton. He/she/it is still festering in their shit after the primary. He/she/it ALWAYS answers quickly if it can. To bash Hillary at least.

He /sh/it is probably paid to bash the Clintons.

[Life Long Dem]

32. My greater cause is Obama.

:grouphug:

[MoonRiver]

37. Why bother?

It's a hopeless cause. Sadly, there will probably be repercussions for such irrational antipathy.

[mvd]

42. And I see no reason why he would support McCain

He might not be the most liberal Democrat, but unlike Lieberman, he's still a loyal Democrat. Having him campaign would be a help for some undecideds.

[PresidentObama]

43. Thanks for posting. I think you're right, and I think he's waiting for marching orders...

...from the Obama campaign.

Bill and Hillary have said they'll support Obama, and help him. Hillary helped Obama fundraise when he asked. Bill will do the same.

[ZombieHorde]

46. I tried to Rec, but the thread is too old.

[beachmom]

50. Wolfson backs up McCain.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0708/12224.html

(Steve Schmidt, McCain campaign aid)

Remarkably, in fact, Schmidt sees a sort of political soul mate in Bill Clinton. "Say whatever you want about Bill Clinton," Schmidt said, "but it's deeply unfair to suggest his criticism of Obama was race-based. President Clinton was a force for unity in this country on this subject. Every American should be proud of his record as both a governor and president. But we knew it was coming in our direction because they did it against a President of the United State of their own party."

A former chief strategist to Hillary Clinton, Howard Wolfson, echoed Schmidt's comparison.

"I think the McCain camp watched our primary on the Democratic side very carefully and they know that any accusation of racial divisiveness can be very, very harmful for a candidate's prospects," Wolfson said on Fox News Thursday, adding that the allegations against Clinton were unfair. "They heard something that Senator Obama said and they felt they had to respond quickly to make sure that nobody got the impression that they were engaged in those kind of racial politics."

I know you like Bill, Kerry2008, but he hurt Obama today, not helped, with his remarks, and now we see one of his guys, Wolfson, who will remain loyal to the Clintons to his last dying breath and not do anything they wouldn't approve of, back up the McCain campaign.

[PresidentObama]

51. Wolfson is NOT Bill Clinton.

And how did Bill Clinton's comments hurt Obama?

No one has made a case, but keep saying he's hurting Obama with these remarks.

[beachmom]

56. McCain is accusing Obama of playing the race card.

Then Bill re-appears yelling "I am not a racist"! That BACKS UP McCain's argument. As to Wolfson, don't be naive. Clinton loyalists will go through the gates of hell for them. Wolfson does not speak for himself. Just like Carville and Begala.

[PresidentObama]

57. Clinton isn't racist. Sounds like he's stating the obvious, not helping McCain.

That's a weak case.

Next.

[beachmom]

63. He said that UNPROMPTED. I don't mean to go all Jack Nicholson on you, but

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!

Bill Clinton is not really all that for Obama. He is an immature baby, mad that his wife lost (although I feel bad for Hillary having to put up with him). He is injured that he got CAUGHT acting like a jackass during the primaries. And most important, he is ticked beyond belief that some YOUNG GUY with as much talent as he did in '92 has upstaged him.

At the moment, he just doesn't care, and is not helping Obama AT ALL, and in fact, is hurting him.

[PresidentObama]

65. Sounds like your baseless opinion, not the truth.

You can whine about the Clintons all you want, but they're both for Obama.

Bill Clinton is in Africa, but he'll be sure to help Obama in the fall. And Hillary is raising money for Obama, and actually has fundraisers and events to attend FOR Obama.

[Imagevision]

55. Bill was in Canada last week holding hands with a 25-28 year old cutie...

Bill is the best bullshit artist I've ever heard of since I've been alive.

[PresidentObama]

58. Excuse me?

[Imagevision]

60. Bill's a player, politics is a laughing matter since Obama eliminated Hillary...

[PresidentObama]

61. Eliminated? LOL.

[Flying Dream Blues]

67. Another divisive post on this topic...enough already? nt

[Medusa]

68. It's all about Bill

and Bill's massive ego is bruised. What's up with the "i'll have more to say after the election" if it's not negative? Say it or stfu Bill.

[catgirl]

69. Please stop with these divisive threads

All these Clinton threads are meant to cause disruption. You keep doing it. Why?
Who gives a rats ass who Bill Clinton "supports", while he's STILL dissing Obama?

Funny how many Hillary vs. Obama threads are suddenly popping up. Let it go already.
Or at least stop pretending to support Obama (or Hillary for that matter).

[PresidentObama]

76. So when did he 'still' diss Obama?

Explain or admit to lying.

[catgirl]

80. I don't need to be your ears and eyes

No comment on your reasons for posting threads like these?
Perhaps you enjoy confrontation and accuse people of lying?
How pathetic. I'm putting you on ignore. You add nothing to
the discussions anyway.

[kurtboss]

73. He Looked Angry...bitter is the word

I don't know if he still is, but the clips I've seen he seemed pissed.

Get that guy some Xanax or something and chill out already. His wife seems so much more stable emotionally...I think the wrong one ran in 92.

[bluestateguy]

77. I think Clinton will coordinate his campaign activities with the Obama camp

It would be hazardous to the campaign to have him out there too much. Remember that on the whole his campaigning was probably a net minus for Hillary. Obama has to win this race on his own, but used in the right doses, the Clintons can be helpful toward that goal.

As for whether or not the Clintons dislike Obama, or vice versa, I really don't give a damn. I expect both camps to act like team players and put their egos behind them for the good of the country and their party.

[WeDidIt]

79. That's what he says, anyway.

I'm not buying it, but that is what Clinton says.

[JVS]

84. I think it's sad that his support is so feeble that such a reminder is needed.

[workinclasszero]

86. But Mr NAFTA refused to say Obama was ready to be Prez

Didn't he?

I'm sure John McCain appreciated that immensely. :mad: