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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 10:58 AM
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McCain, playing the Jesus card, will choose Franklin Graham
as his vice presidential nominee.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 10:59 AM
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1. Well, after Dobson's telegraphing the other day. . .
it wouldn't suprise me.

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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 11:01 AM
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2. Me either. And I'm a bit uneasy about it, too.
At one point or another, McCain is gong to realize that he either flogs the Jesus crowd or he kisses any remote chance of being electorially competitive goodbye.

Which catapults a dangerous nutbag like Franklin Graham onto the stage of history.
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 11:02 AM
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3. Good. That'll give all the indy's to us. Fine by me. nt
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 11:04 AM
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4. You're right. The indies would flock to Obama -- at an even faster rate
than they are already -- but of course it paints McCain as a cartoon of his old self.

Currently McCain is felt to be a pandering loser by a lot of indies and certainly by us. The more he fals behind Obama the more deperate he'll become to pander, and likely to the GOP base groups like the fundie nutbags.

Franklin Graham is a fundie nutbag writ large.

I'm tellin' ya, I think he's got a shot at the veep job.
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 11:15 AM
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5. Wouldnt surprise me one bit...
given the desperation his campaign has shown as of late. I just hope he continues down this path of getting meaner and nastier with every passing day. And I cant imagine that he won't completely come unhinged at least once between now and November.

If the masses ever start to realize what a shit of a human he really is, we'll take this election in a landslide. What Obama really needs to do is get him to freak out at one of the debates. Game over if that happens.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 11:18 AM
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8. Agree, and I love that outcome. Obama could wrap McCain up in one fell
swoop if he could get him to blow his stack on a debate stage.

As you put it perfectly: game over.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 11:16 AM
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6. The argument here is strictly political, not religious.
Edited on Fri Jul-25-08 11:28 AM by Old Crusoe
Playing the Jesus card, McCain would be making a gesture of extraordinary desperation. He has never, ever been popular with the fundie nutbag demographic. Forever and a day they have held him at arm's length and well downstream from their domain with the Galilean. They consider him a man apart from their experience, not to be trusted, the gnarled shepherd of goatheads in an exiled pasture.

McCain is losing the numbers race, the funding race, the polling race, the perception abroad race, and whether he realizes it or not and whether the MSM will admit it or not, he's losing the public opinion race as well.

He has to gain one or two major demographic components of the electorate or he is facing a landslide of historic proportions.

The corporate Enron-types aren't budging -- they'll be in the GOP camp, but even they can't flip a state to red easily if Obama's campaign is already on its second coat of deep blue from the grassroots up. Still, the corporate folks will stay with McCain, pathetic old crank though he be.

Independents of all stripes are not enthused by McCain of 2008, although they took a good long look in 2000 when he trounced Dubya in New Hampshire. Indies now are for Obama, and properly so. McCain can probably write the independent vote off, at least most of them, and likely past the percentage he would need to carry a closely-contested state.

That more or less leaves the fundies. Which means McCain is going to have to play the Jesus card, the anti-abortion card, the anti-gay marriage card, and so forth.

To do that, he either puts whoever Dobson wants on the ticket or he chooses someone who can mobilize the idiots -- someone preferably with strong, strong roots in the South -- and who is a hyper-protestant and not a Mormon or a voodoo exorcists -- and that would be

Franklin Graham.


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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 11:17 AM
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7. Why not Billy? They are closer in age.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 11:18 AM
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9. LOL! How about John the Baptist, for that matter? Just a few years
older than McCain himself.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 01:47 PM
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17. I don't think he's available. He lost his head ...
Bake
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 01:52 PM
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19. That happens to the best of celebrities. Fame is tough. It's tough.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 11:19 AM
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10. I hope he's stupid enough to do that ...
That would be great.

I'm thinking it's gonna be Mittens, though.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 11:25 AM
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12. Forced to lay down real money, I would agree with you, Oregonian.
But if McCain plans on smearing Obama with the "Muslim" fear tactic, some of that punch is lost if he chooses Mormon Romney.

There are an awful lot of hyper-Protestant fundamentlasts who will not show up to vote for any ticket with a Mormon on it.

There's a potential that McCain would depress his own vote totals by picking Romney, although I can't think of anyone else he might realistically choose at this point (from McCain's point of view).

I think Fiorina, Huck, and Rudy are all curtains. Pawlenty's still in the mix, but he's such a wash-out, plus Obama leads in Minnesota by a near-landslide. Pawlenty won't reverse that.

I guess if it's not Romney, it will be Portman, Thune, or Jim Talent. Possibly Haley Barbour.

But Franklin Graham is McCain's only real chance at turning out the fundie base.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 11:21 AM
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11. that would be sweet
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 11:30 AM
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13. wrong. he's going straight to the top and choosing jesus
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 11:45 AM
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14. If he did that, I'd send him money
To make sure he was able to get his message out.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 01:31 PM
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15. Yes. I'd be tempted myself. The Republicans would have a cranky old
Dark Ages politician with Intermittent Explosive Disorder and a floridly psychotic religious nutbag, both belching absurd nonsense from September 4th to election day.

Are you lurking here and reading this, Franklin Graham? Better get those Sunday School shoes spit-shined real soon.


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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 01:34 PM
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16. That's not going to happen.
Billy Graham is all but certain to pass away within the next 4 years. No way that Franklin is going to give up the "family business" to be VP.

Though he's certainly farther to the right, politically than his dad ever was.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 01:50 PM
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18. I'm not arguing against your position on this, but I am imaging a
position in which Franklin Graham, who used to be quite the hell-raiser but who of late SAW THE LIGHT of his father's massive financial holdings -- I mean THE TRUTH AND THE WAY OF THE HOLY SPIRIT -- and says to himself, 'Well, hell, the old man's about to kick off any day, I might just as well thrust myself into the public limelight.'

It would establish him as the nation's premier fundamentalist nutbag media religious celebrity.

McCain's going to lose the election, but Franklin Graham would win a huge donor base and valuable connections. He would go from being an inheritor of a legend to the guy who's at a huge control panel of events.


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