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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 07:52 AM
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Wes Clark just schooled Joe Scarborough.
He attributed the Sunni awakening to the Saudis working the tribes and said Iran's pullback from chaos in Northern Iraq was also a factor. He said Iraq was a buffer between all these external competing factions. Interesting.

Lastly, he credited the change in tactics by Petraeus to Rumsfeld leaving. He said more troops were always a good thing, but these factors are just as or more important than the surge.
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nradisic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 07:54 AM
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1. My 3rd grader could school the Scar
The guy has the intellect of a fruit fly!
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 07:56 AM
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3. He certainly loves the simple explanation.
Give him a little more information and he's a bit flummoxed.
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Jack from Charlotte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 09:17 AM
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21. Simple is the only info a Republic Party person can use.....
Words like the undefined..... winning...... If any thought takes more than 2 sentences to explain, Republics can't handle it.
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vssmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 08:42 AM
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15. You underestimate fruit flies--at least they keep their lips shut
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my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 07:55 AM
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2. How did Scarborough respond? He was grilling Harold this morning but
Harold did not mention the other factors atributing to the the success. He just said that if a candidate did not believe (and he did not say that Barack did not believe) that the surge improved conditions in Iraq then they would have to answer to the American people. Scarborough was trying to goad Harold by asking how Barack could not admit that the surge worked.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 07:59 AM
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5. He was protesting the whole time "but the surge the surge"
Then they were cut off by the music.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 08:01 AM
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7. He was a condescending ass to Clark.. interrupted EVERY point he tried to make.. was sarcastic and
basically accused WES CLARK of trying to take credit away from the troops and give it to "Iran and the Sunnis".

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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 08:23 AM
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14. Jesus Christ, I wish we could vote that DLC fucker off the island.
"answer to the American people"?
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 11:54 PM
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38. To what "DLC f**ker" are you referring? n/t
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-08 03:56 AM
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41. I think he meant harold ford
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 07:56 AM
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4. That was very nice indeed.
Scarborough's been doing a yeoman job of beating the GOP drum but he knows he's got nothing, and I mean nothing.

That remark about the troops pretty much proves it.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 07:59 AM
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6. I took a 3-week hiatus from "MSM News", so I'm a little confused to come back and find that
the focus of ALL newscasts seems to be THE SURGE.

I thought "the surge" was over. I don't understand why every single broadcast on every channel seems to be intent on PROVING IT WORKED, DAMMIT !!

Why is every guest on every show being goaded into "admit the surge worked, dammit!"

WTF is going on?

Maybe its time for anoter hiatus, but I have to see Barak in Europe !
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 08:11 AM
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9. That is the line of the week
the surge worked, Bush and McCain were right and are heroes, we should all bow down and praise them to high heaven. Anybody who says different hates America and hates the troops and would rather lose the war.

something like that.
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 08:10 AM
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8. Clark refused to let Joe talk over him then pounded him with inconvenient facts....
Edited on Wed Jul-23-08 08:11 AM by Rowdyboy
He was priceless.
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 08:12 AM
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10. I agree - Wes kicked butt. -nt
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 08:13 AM
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12. Never try to talk over a General. You can't win.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 08:50 AM
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16. Clark for VP is was awesome
He knows how to smile and prove his point.

'Lil Joe looked like the ass that he is this morning.

He is such a tool ~ he needs to confess to the Intern.

Of all the intelligent people that are in the business, why him for this prime spot.

What power does he have --- :shrug:
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 08:13 AM
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11. But, how can we take Clark seriously, he said being shot down
doesn't qualify one to be president!! I mean, it's obvious he hates McCain and hates the troops.
And, hates America. How dare he insult McCain's glorious military career like that? He was shot down and held as a POW, goddammit! I know McCain would never bring that up himself, but have a heart for chrissakes.


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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 09:11 AM
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20. How many people got shot down
in Vietnam and are they ready to be president? McShame is an ass. Clark is right.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 10:40 AM
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24. LOL, Nominated For a DUzy!
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 10:53 AM
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25. Thanks
If I had known that, I would have added a bit more...

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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 10:55 AM
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26. Oh, Please Do!
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 11:20 AM
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27. it's way past editing time, but here goes
And, since the drive-by media is in the tank for Obama, most Americans won't know that poor McCain was a POW who was shot down and suffered in captivity for our sins, as he is too modest to bring it up himself. Where does Clark get off sitting in his comfortable TV studio criticizing a the military service of a heroic man who went to defend your freedom in Vietnam? How dare Clark do that! How dare he!

He must be a radical Muslim like Obama and want to lose the war in order to win the election! Did he attend the same Madrassah as Obama, Jane Fonda and John Kerry? Clark is just carrying Obama's water, while John McCain carried the burden of America while he was being tortured by the North Vietnamese!
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 11:24 AM
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28. That Is Awesome! Mods . . . How About It? DUzy Material???
In my opinion, it is. :applause: :rofl:
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-08 03:54 AM
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40. you're too much!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 12:21 PM
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30. Getting shot down qualifies McCain for anything and everything
President of the United States, CEO of Microsoft, Nobel Prize in Physics, Grammy Award, heavyweight champion of the world, in short anything he wants to be.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 12:24 PM
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31. and how dare anybody say otherwise!
so there!
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 08:19 AM
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13. That Was Sweet. WES CLARK FOR VP (Pretty Please with Sugar On It : ) nt
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indie_voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 09:00 AM
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19. Ditto!!! PLEASE! n/t
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 10:39 AM
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23. Awww, Thanks : )
:patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 08:52 AM
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17. heh, I would love it if Wes Clark could just say to Joe
"Listen, you little right wing freak machine..."
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 08:53 AM
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18. Me pops loves Wes Clark.
I do too. Lots of respect for the man.
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jhain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 09:32 AM
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22. I loved it!!
Morning ( after) Joe was left with his stupid head spinning and it was all made better by the fantastic fact that MSNBC kept filling the screen with the photos of Obama in the chopper with Betrayus and Chuck Nagel!!

woo hooo

better than another cup of coffee for my attitude this morning!

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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 11:59 AM
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29. Is there video online of this?
I missed it! :cry:
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 03:22 PM
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34. This might be it
Videos are blocked at my job so I'm not sure if this is the one. :)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/25813551#258135...
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 04:44 PM
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35. Yep. That's it. He handled Joe perfectly, but...
Clark also managed to give an excellent briefing on many of the dynamics at play in the region. I watched the video waiting for the fireworks (and Joes's attempt to counter Wes was a dud) but found myself instead listening to some intellingent points being made that virtually no one in the media is talking about. Way to go General!
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-08 01:57 AM
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39. I hope Obama still picks him despite the media's uncalled for frenzy!
It would definitely make a statement for the media to STFU and pay attention to what the General said.

Do it Obama..... select General Clark !!!

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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 06:24 PM
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36. It's up on securingamerica.com now, too...
SO glad to see him talking about all this!! :patriot:
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SpookyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 12:42 PM
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32. But...but...
America is the greatest best country in the history of the world!

(christ, I wish I was making up that quote...)
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 01:24 PM
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33. Hillarious....
watching these losers struggle to find something...ANYTHING...they did RIGHT!
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chieftain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 06:31 PM
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37. Just like taking a horse to water but not getting him to drink, you
can take a GOP Joe to school but he won't learn. Scarborough believes any amount of his ignorance which is exposed can be hidden by raising his voice. Joe is absolutely the quintessential Republican. He's not that smart, ill-informed and a blowhard and a bully.No wonder he is on TV.
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