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SHRED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 07:56 AM Original message |
Obama's willingness to escalate... |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 08:00 AM Response to Original message |
1. Instead of being so concerned, I recommend you go read or |
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Duder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 09:40 PM Response to Reply #1 |
53. Good recommendation |
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Hope And Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 08:02 AM Response to Original message |
2. Remarks of Senator Obama: The War We Need to Win |
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loyalsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 09:58 AM Response to Reply #2 |
13. He totally gets it |
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Youphemism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 08:02 AM Response to Original message |
3. So far, his stated goals have been: |
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SHRED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 09:06 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. "Defeat the Taliban" |
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Youphemism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 09:25 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. The Taliban fought off the Soviets with our weapons... |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 10:14 AM Response to Reply #6 |
18. "What makes America think they can "defeat" these fighters in that region?" |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 11:42 AM Response to Reply #6 |
21. If we pull out we should be ready to offer every female in Afghanistan a home here |
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iconicgnom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 06:24 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. It's a more complex situation than that, and the US isn't an angelic force fighting for "freedom" |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 07:50 AM Response to Reply #30 |
66. I don't see us as some angelic force |
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iconicgnom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 01:34 PM Response to Reply #66 |
86. It's important to read the whole articles on the RAWA site. |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 08:07 AM Response to Reply #86 |
99. The whole world should be involved |
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 08:13 PM Response to Reply #6 |
37. I agree with you 100 percent...nt |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 08:58 PM Response to Reply #6 |
44. Well then what is your solution? |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 09:47 AM Response to Reply #6 |
76. We already did, we just didn't finish the job. |
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BryMan (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 10:34 AM Response to Reply #3 |
19. About freakin time this strategy was followed |
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Historic NY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 08:24 AM Response to Original message |
4. Its called finishing the job, we've lost more men there this month. |
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iconicgnom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 06:20 PM Response to Reply #4 |
29. oh you! you sound SO much like bush! |
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Historic NY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 11:41 PM Response to Reply #29 |
60. no he pull troop out and there is escalating violence in the country. |
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iconicgnom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 01:34 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. OK, Bush squared, = McCain |
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crankychatter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 08:34 AM Response to Original message |
5. the pashtoons will fight tooth nail and claw unto the tenth generation |
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kstewart33 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 09:07 AM Response to Original message |
7. His position makes great sense. |
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SHRED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 09:09 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. like the Taliban and Pashtoons.... |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 10:11 AM Response to Reply #8 |
17. It's not a matter of them giving up. They can be marginalized and diminished, |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 11:43 AM Response to Reply #8 |
22. They cannot be allowed into power there again. |
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Baclava (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 11:49 AM Response to Reply #8 |
24. It's all about the poppy |
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niceypoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 09:17 AM Response to Original message |
9. Killing Bin Laden would be a good goal |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 09:38 AM Response to Original message |
11. The war in Afghanistan is the one we must win. nt |
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Connie_Corleone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 09:45 AM Response to Original message |
12. Read his foreign policy speech. |
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iconicgnom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 10:01 AM Response to Original message |
14. Good questions, all. These questions transcend US political parties and international borders. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 10:05 AM Response to Original message |
15. His position is great. Afghanistan is the real war--the war that |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 11:45 AM Response to Reply #15 |
23. I agree- as unpopular as it may be here |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
16. It's too late: Time Is Of The Essence; one cannot now be in for a penny... |
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stimbox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 11:29 AM Response to Original message |
20. You are not alone. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
25. It's consistent with his overall policies. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
26. What is the goal? "Change" What is the end game? "Change" n/t |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 06:26 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. That's as clear as Bush's goal and endgame. "winning." |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 08:42 PM Response to Reply #31 |
39. What's your point? IMO Obama represents "Change" and that means holding him to higher standards than |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 09:32 PM Response to Reply #39 |
49. That's my point, too, but maybe we see something differently. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 09:36 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. Agree. n/t |
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iconicgnom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
27. I'm glad D's aren't chickenhawks like R's, and are standing in line to sign up. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 02:54 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Interesting point, will Obama supporters volunteer to go fight in Obama's wars because the moment he |
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shadowknows69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 06:31 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. I'll defend my country just as soon as the Taliban gets here and starts shootin. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 08:43 PM Response to Reply #33 |
40. Apparently your answer is "No", you will not volunteer to fight for Obama if he decides to fight |
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shadowknows69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 08:49 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. bingo |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 08:59 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Who do you expect to fight overseas if Obama issues such orders and Obama supporters refuse to |
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iconicgnom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 09:34 PM Response to Reply #45 |
51. That's a gross oversimplification. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 09:42 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. "gross oversimplification"! The gross thing is people who claim to support a candidate but then |
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iconicgnom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 10:15 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. You're taking a legitimate point of controversy and applying an extreme black/white formula. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 07:35 AM Response to Reply #57 |
64. Your opinion and mine obviously differ. Apparently very few of Obama's supporters would volunteer to |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 07:37 AM Response to Reply #64 |
65. This is the same horseshit |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 08:11 AM Response to Reply #65 |
68. Are you one who would not volunteer to fight under Commander in Chief Obama? If not, are you |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 09:55 AM Response to Reply #68 |
79. Silly. |
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Hoof Hearted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 03:24 PM Response to Reply #79 |
88. Why? Because you do not want to answer the question. It makes you uncomfortable. |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 05:51 PM Response to Reply #65 |
101. That nincompoop seems to find it impossible to disagree with a candidate's position on one issue |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 07:55 AM Response to Reply #64 |
67. If I were physically able to I would. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 08:17 AM Response to Reply #67 |
69. Interesting point "I think Obama would manage things far better". Please tell me what military |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 08:34 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Here goes: |
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shadowknows69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 08:42 AM Response to Reply #70 |
71. True that |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 09:06 AM Response to Reply #70 |
72. Interesting but what military strategies or tactics do you believe Obama will change in Afghanistan? |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 09:18 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. You are right, none of us will know until after Jan 09 |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 09:31 AM Response to Reply #73 |
74. IMO we should let the citizens of a nation determine their own government. The one goal I support |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 09:35 AM Response to Reply #74 |
75. One big problem: |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 09:56 AM Response to Reply #75 |
80. Agree but the Taliban reduced opium production, Bush gave them $43 million for their efforts. |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 10:04 AM Response to Reply #80 |
81. I think we can agree the Bush family has fucked things up in a big way. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 10:41 AM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Agree, I abhor any culture that does not treat all citizens equally. |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 01:59 AM Response to Reply #28 |
62. I'd go to Afghanistan. |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 09:20 AM Response to Reply #27 |
100. I attempted to enlist in 2001 |
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shadowknows69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
32. I'm inclined to be concerned with SHRED |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 06:32 PM Response to Original message |
34. Your concern is noted. |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
35. The goal is to get elected |
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SHRED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 08:09 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. I agree but with a slight correction |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 09:22 PM Response to Reply #36 |
47. Believe me, I'm FULLY aware of that, and I question the points from Dean, Clark and Obama supporters |
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SHRED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 10:13 PM Response to Reply #47 |
55. you are on it....good job...I agree 100% |
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blogslut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 09:54 AM Response to Reply #47 |
78. More than ONCE |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 10:48 AM Response to Reply #78 |
83. ALL of those clips were from AFTER THE VOTE |
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blogslut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 11:25 AM Response to Reply #83 |
85. You are aware that Barack Obama was not a member of the US Senate then, right? |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 04:29 PM Response to Reply #85 |
89. Yes. Can't you read? He's a candidacy is mostly based on speculation. |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 01:45 AM Response to Reply #89 |
96. Bravo!!! |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 07:56 AM Response to Reply #89 |
98. That's a pretty slim thread that you're hanging your hope on. n/t |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 09:27 PM Response to Reply #35 |
48. you know it, Purity |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 09:34 PM Response to Reply #35 |
50. Agree. Sad that Obama supporters won't volunteer to fight in Afghanistan leaving that deadly job to |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 05:45 PM Response to Reply #50 |
94. So, are you volunteering then? |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 06:08 PM Response to Reply #50 |
103. you repeat over and over obama supporters |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 06:07 PM Response to Reply #35 |
102. I think you confuse anti war |
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 08:29 PM Response to Original message |
38. The bottom line..... |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 08:49 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. I agree. n/t |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 08:54 PM Response to Original message |
43. I agree with Obama on this. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 09:01 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Does the Geneva Convention permit the U.S. to occupy Afghanistan? n/t |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 10:29 PM Response to Reply #46 |
58. That pertains to the treatment of soldiers, not the occupation of a country. |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 10:31 PM Response to Reply #46 |
59. No, it's covered by SALTII |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 10:14 PM Response to Original message |
56. . |
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goodgd_yall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 02:16 AM Response to Original message |
63. This isn't news to you is it? |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
77. The 'goal' is not to let the Taliban take power again. |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 05:46 PM Response to Reply #77 |
95. I expect you to sign up tomorrow then |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 06:28 PM Response to Reply #77 |
104. Well, You Go Over And Protect The Right-Wing Dictatorship In Afghanistan |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
84. It's not about escalation, it's about finishing the job we set out to do... |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
87. We are faced with having to destroy that with which we |
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The Leveller (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 08:35 PM Response to Original message |
90. What right does the US have to be in Afghanistan? |
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Straight Shooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 05:40 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. The U.S. doesn't need a steenkin' permission slip from anyone to go to war anywhere. |
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stimbox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
91. Obama is going to escalate the war in Afghanistan like LBJ did in Vietnam. |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 05:42 PM Response to Original message |
93. This thread is still going |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 03:32 AM Response to Reply #93 |
97. Look if you buy 9/11 at all |
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blues90 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
105. for all those here so willing to win in Afghanistan |
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