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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 11:47 PM
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Has Kerry released all of his military records?
I thought he had. I read a a letter to the editor to my local paper and saw an interview on TV where people were saying that if Kerry wants everyone to disavow the Swiftboat ads then he should release all his military records for all to see.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 11:50 PM
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1. It's called projection. They can't get over the fact that Bush's records
are missing. Destroyed because they proved he was AWOL.



Official Naval Records
After-Action Combat Reports

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PatGund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 12:07 AM
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3. There may be some truth to that...
I had a discussion with a friend a few days ago where he said Kerry hadn't released his records. I provided the URL. He then said he hadn't released his fitness records. I provided the URL. He then claimed that "well, according to a report on Newsmax in April, not all his records were released". I pointed out the records were posted April 18th, and could be *PLEASE* tell me what exact record wasn't released????

No reply. Which is, as I have found out, SOP when an RW can't back up their statements.

They just can't wrap their brains around the idea that Kerry doesn't have anything to hide on his records, unlike *.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 11:51 PM
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2. They've been on his web site forever!
Right here, for the world to see:

http://www.johnkerry.com/about/john_kerry/military_records.html

Now if only Bush would release HIS DD214, we can determine if he was really AWOL.

BTW, here's a picture of Bush wearing an AFOUA. That's the ribbon on the left above his left pocket. According to his ANG22, he was awarded NO ribbons or medals. According to a copy of an AF11 dated May 16, 1971, he was awarded the SAEMR he's wearing here, but not according to his ANG22:

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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 12:24 AM
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4. Tonight on the NBC news
I thought I heard the announcer say that Kerry had not released all of his records.

They way NBC spun the story by the Chicago newspaper editor was to say that his citation had the wrong river and that we will never know what happened so long ago.

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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 12:31 AM
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5. Yes, Kerry has released all his records
They're available on his website for anyone in the world to see with a couple of mouse clicks.

George W. Bush, by contrast, hasn't released his full military record, despite years of demands that he do so. He hasn't released his DD214, which EVERY military person I know can put his hand to within seconds. The DD214 would answer once and for all whether he fulfilled his Guard obligation, but it has never been produced.
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 10:47 AM
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6. Is this it?
Scroll down a bit, page 10. I'm not sure, but this looks like Bush's discharge.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/bushdocs/11-2_2004_Personnel_File.pdf
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 11:19 AM
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 11:21 AM
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11. What has he not released? n/t
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 11:22 AM
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12. Go somewhere else and LIE fool.
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denny1958 Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 11:01 AM
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7. Kerry's Military Records
I brought this issue up last week and it was never resolved. There is an article in today's Washington Post (which is excellent despite the clip below), which again brings up some unreleased Kerry records.

"Some of the mystery surrounding exactly what happened on the Bay Hap River in March 1969 could be resolved by the full release of all relevant records and personal diaries. Much information is available from the Web sites of the Kerry campaign and Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, and the Navy archives. But both the Kerry and anti-Kerry camps continue to deny or ignore requests for other relevant documents, including Kerry's personal reminiscences (shared only with biographer Brinkley), the boat log of PCF-94 compiled by Medeiros (shared only with Brinkley) and the Chenoweth diary.

Although Kerry campaign officials insist that they have published Kerry's full military records on their Web site (with the exception of medical records shown briefly to reporters earlier this year), they have not permitted independent access to his original Navy records. A Freedom of Information Act request by The Post for Kerry's records produced six pages of information. A spokesman for the Navy Personnel Command, Mike McClellan, said he was not authorized to release the full file, which consists of at least a hundred pages."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21239-2004Aug21.html

The issue of Kerry's full records is becoming less and less of an issue, as daily new info about the Smear Boat Liars is causing their "story" to unravel.
The story appears to have shifted from Kerry's actions to the actions of the current occupants of the White House.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 11:22 AM
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13. Diaries are not Navy records
And how could Kerry keep a boat log by somebody else from being released under FOIA? I don't understand.
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denny1958 Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 11:39 AM
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15. I don't understand either....
But, some in the mainstream press will not let this issue die. Again, don't let the quote on Kerry's military records dissuade you from reading the Washington Post article, it is quite good otherwise.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 11:52 AM
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16. I did read it
Post, Times, Tribune -- all good articles over the weekend! :)
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 12:01 PM
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17. Would the Boat log of PCF-94 and the Chenoweth diary be part
of Kerry's records, or would they be Navy operations records ?

As you can probably tell, I was never in the military, although my son was in the Navy. I remember he showed me his orders one day, and I must admit, I had no idea what the heck they said!

My son was stationed on the Nimitz, but there were NO records even close to a log book! And I have no idea what the Shenoweth diary is.

Can someone with military experience tell me just what these nuts are looking for?
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 11:07 AM
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8. Why should he?
Everyone knows that Bush is Hitler.
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CLBC Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 11:16 AM
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9. Bush is Hitler.
Very nice argument that. It really helps the cause.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 11:36 AM
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14. OK...How about Bush is a child raping piece of shit...
Better...
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