Are They KIDDING???

[RazBerryBeret]

The Denver Group: Keeping the Democratic Party democratic, created by Georgetown Law professor Heidi Li Feldman and freelance advertising man Marc Rubin, ran an ad in Friday's Chicago Tribune declaring:

"Senator Clinton's name must be put in nomination. Her supporters must be allowed to make speeches on her behalf of her candidacy. There must be an honest roll call vote, not a symbolic one, so superdelegates can cast their votes honestly, for either candidate, as their judgment, conscience and democratic principles dictate."



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/12/sticking-a-wrench-in-the_n_112303.html


Is this for real? does anyone know? Does Hillary know about this? THIS doesn't make want to help pay off her debt.

[AtomicKitten]

1. What part of she lost don't they get?

[RazBerryBeret]

4. I read the replies to that story,

and it was enough to make my stomach hurt. some people really think this was "stolen" from her... or they think the open roll call is a GOOD idea....

[madura]

7. i'm sorta waiting for the other shoe to drop in all this...

who knows what can happen, some of the H campaigners and supporters are capable of anything - and they called Obama fans fanatical and koolaid drinking and unrealistic, ha!. I don't like this feeling, it came a bit too easy after such a brutal long match and then there's silent bill in the background, grumbling and all wounded. I'm rambling, sorry, but there's something afoot methinks with all the jabs at Obama's character on the media at full tilt now and the extraordinary and almost embarrassing kissing up to hillary to appease her for something or other.

[AtomicKitten]

14. indulging temper tantrums is bad parenting

This is the #1 reason I reject HRC as VP. The Clintons set the precedent for being disrespectful toward Barack, and her minions are merely emulating that behavior. As the nominee, it is his ring that must be kissed, not the other way around.

[bahrbearian]

18. Is there a problem with having an open roll call?

I'd like to hear from all the candidates that have suspended their campaigns.

[cbc5g]

28. Operation Chaos Part 2 n/t

[PatGund]

37. Yeah, pretty........damn weird.

This one really caused a faceplant:

"We womyn can still win this thing. This gives me so much hope for womynkind.

There are only two kinds of penised persons: rapists and prerapists. No more penised presidents! We need Hillary! We won't take anything less.

We don't have much time. We womyn can plan safely where no penised person or previously penised person is allowed: the Michigan Womyn's Music Festival August 5-10.

Does anyone know of a womynsafe space in Denverthat is still available where we can join forces for the Democratic National Conventionduring August 25-28?"

[Douglas Carpenter]

40. now this is someone with personal issues

There are only two kinds of penised persons: rapists and prerapists

We womyn can plan safely where no penised person or previously penised person is allowed

I wonder if they want statements like that put into the party platform?

[Cheap_Trick]

64. that vaginaed person has some issues.

surely there's medication for it.

[RazBerryBeret]

41. ya know...I thought

you were being sarcastic with that comment...but I just went back to that page, and THAT is a legitimate comment left by someone....CRAZY!!!

[PatGund]

46. Tell me about it.

I showed it to one of my ladyloves. Her comment was "Can I bytchslap her?? Those type of bytches give the rest of us a bad name. They need to be slapped repeatedly in the face with a hatchet."

[RazBerryBeret]

47. hey, I like her...

and I'm not EVEN gonna ask about the line "ONE of my ladyloves"...LOL....

[scarletwoman]

48. I'm sure he means his sisters and mother and beloved aunties.

These being the other "ladyloves" in his life besides his dear girlfriend to whom he is ever faithful. :D

[PatGund]

55. *snork*

No, I meant ONE of my ladyloves. :-) (You have to understand, I live with my fiance, her other boyfriend, and her girlfriend. Yes, it's a tad convoluted)

[scarletwoman]

57. LOL! I can relate, I lived a "convoluted" life in my youth during the 60s.

:D

[RazBerryBeret]

61. ok, I feel so deprived....

my life has never been "convoluted"....

[a la izquierda]

56. Oh good lord.

I just rolled my eyes so forcefully that they fell out of my head. Literally. Then my dog, who is very hungry, grabbed one and ran away with it. I don't even know how I'm typing right now without seeing what I'm doing, so ya'll excuse me if there are typos. Currently, my prerapist husband is trying to track down my dog who has my errant eyeball. He may want to prerape my eyesocket though, so maybe he'll pretend not to find it.




You've got to be fucking joking.

[Blondiegrrl]

71. LOL ... eye socket rape: the next agenda on the Democratic platform! n/t

[Blondiegrrl]

70. Honestly I think that's a troll.

It sounds like something someone from Fark.com would post, just for shits and giggles.

Then again, maybe some people really are this buckets of crazy.

[Erin Elizabeth]

74. OMG please tell me that person is not for real.

Unfortunately I think they probably are, but my God. I hope they don't have any sons or brothers. Or a dad.

Balance is a good thing. There are bad men. And there are bad women. Period. There are good men. And there are good women.

Simple lesson some never learned.

[NYC_SKP]

20. She didn't lose, there isn't a nominee until Denver! gaawwd!

:sarcasm:

I'm feelin' snarky...

But seriously and sadly, a small number are convinced that they can turn around 175 superdelegates and take the win at the convention.

And I was called a koolaid drinker.. :shrug:

[AtomicKitten]

23. "Drink your kool-aid, Shelby." ;)

[Jim Sagle]

69. It's called basic respect. Check into it.

[PatGund]

38. The part that said "she lost"

Seriously, I get the feeling from some of the PUMA types that the only thing Sen. Obama could do to gain their support is call a press conference, appear wearing sackcloth and ashes, grovel in apology for having gotten more votes and delegates than Sen. Clinton, and announce he's immediately quitting the race and giving all his delegates to Sen. Clinton.

At which point he then commits ritual public suicide to atone for the sin of defeating the blessed Goddess of Peace (tm).

Then and only then will the PUMA types even come close to forgiving him. Though I doubt that would appease them any.

[Jim Sagle]

66. She didn't lose. There wasn't a vote. What part of that don't YOU get?

[Zhade]

67. She lost. Accept it.

NT!

[roguevalley]

75. What an interesting view of 'democratic' that they hold. I thought if

you LOST in a race, it was democracy. Little did I know that it really means 'if the GIRL doesn't win, you WHINE'. God help me. I never figure that when women finally got a shot they would turn out to be as dickish in losing as the republicans.

[zanne]

2. There are still plenty of Hillary yardsigns around here.

They're definitely not "over it" yet.

[Ian David]

11. There are also a few Ron Paul signs, too. n/t

[Windy]

3. There are clearly some psychiatric issues involved with these people n/t

[bluestateguy]

5. This issue can be compromised on

Let HIllary's name go into the roll call, on the condition that these last remaining die hards agree to become public and enthusiastic Obama supporters on the convention floor after he is nominated. Once he is nominated, they must agree to put away their Hillary signs and buttons and become flag waving Obama supporters in full view of all the cameras on the TV screen on the convention floor.

If that is done then I have no objection to Hillary being placed into the roll call.

[RazBerryBeret]

8. I would agree, but I've heard

from either Thom Hartmann or Rachel Maddow that historically when the convention goes into open roll call or haven't settled on a nominee the party loses the election....I don't know if that would be true this year...but it's almost like asking for trouble.

[Ian David]

12. I agree with one small difference...

... I get to tell them WHERE they can put their signs.

[paulk]

62. sounds like a meeting of the comintern

some of you Obama supporters scare the shit out of me...

[baldguy]

6. A small group loses an election, yet still tries to force their desires on the majority.

That's the very definition of democracy!

(:sarcasm: for the sarcasm impaired)

[RazBerryBeret]

9. exactly...

and not just try to force their desire on others, but are COVINCED that they are deserving of it...that they were somehow wronged....

I don't get it.

[Captain Hilts]

10. "Small group?"

Yes, they're crazy and this is a handful of people, but Clinton got a LOT of votes.

It's not going to happen.

People here have to learn to ignore handfuls of idiots that have access to the Internet.

[RaleighNCDUer]

19. It is a small group, a very small group, that is pulling this shit.

17.6 million of her 18 million have moved on.

These people want us to LOSE the GE. That's why they are pushing it to the convention.

[newmajority]

22. More like 17.9999999 million. These PUMAbots are a VERY small faction.

I doubt there's even 50 of them. They just have some big pharma donors keeping the bullshit flowing deep.

[RaleighNCDUer]

24. True. While there may be as many as a few hundred thousand they

can keep riled up, there is a MUCH smaller group that is actively pushing this agenda.

[Growler]

29. Agreed

[emilyg]

25. Not a small group.

[newmajority]

26. So how "big" of a group is it then?

And don't say "18 million" because the overwhelming majority of that 18 million will vote for the Democratic nominee. I doubt all the PUMAbots nationwide could match the crowd Obama saw at one of his primary speeches, like Portland Oregon, for example.

[Growler]

30. Tiny? Microscopic?

Is "small" too large??

[John Q. Citizen]

34. Bigger than a bread basket?

[emilyg]

39. A bread basket we'll need in November.

[baldguy]

42. Bread crumbs that we never had - and don't need

That started out as GOP, only involved themselves in the Democratic primaries to cause mischief and a lot of noise, and now that their plan backfired they still try to cause mischief and a lot of noise leading up to the Convention. But when they fail again they'll end up voting for McCain anyway.

Just like they planned to all along.

[emilyg]

43. Peace.

[Colobo]

51. Emily, don't you think we need to move on and root for Obama?

[emilyg]

59. What a strange question Katz.

[Phx_Dem]

27. Exactly.

She couldn't win enough delegates (by a long shot) during the primary, so they think she's somehow going to miraculously win more at the Convention. I'm sorry by the people who are supporting this lame idea are fucking insane and I'm worried about them.

[windbreeze]

13. hmmmmmm....is there really any question???

YES, it's for real....there is a site on the web that has 155, (at last count)....blogs, etc., listed...that are pro and anti...accordingly...I believe this is one of them listed....let me check it out....YES....by golly, this is one of the blogs listed on that site...seems they are willing to turn this into a nightmare convention, and likely give the election to the Rep.'s?? Didn't she already concede? is this a gamble to make her VP??? Most of the blogs/websites deny that they are connected to any candidate..however...IF that name is included in the web site, or blog addy, to me, connection IS implied...tell me she doesn't know this is going on...uh huh...wb

[NYC_SKP]

15. Republicans in Pantsuits?

Or are they really just disgruntled Hillblazers... Denver Group links with McCain and HRC website through hillbuzz:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6491861&mesg_id=6492000

http://hillbuzz.blogspot.com/2008/07/filed-under-this-strategy-makes-no-damn.html

[azmouse]

16. Sounds like they're willing to throw this election away for 'their girl'.

This shouldn't be tolerated. Too much is at stake for the country.

[mod mom]

17. much to the pleasure(and probably backing) of the GOP. Remember all those cross-over voters?

[PatGund]

36. To the PUMAs.....

....It's all about "Clinton 2012, and SCREW the country for the next four years"

[Kool Kitty]

68. If McCain wins in November,

there won't be much left of the country to preside over in 2012.

[papapi]

21. P.ent U.p M.ental A.nger

[NC_Nurse]

31. SHE's supporting Obama. What's wrong with these people?

Get over it already. :eyes:

[scarletwoman]

32. These are NOT Democrats. This is basically a COINTELPRO type of operation, designed to fracture

the Democratic party and win the election for McCain.

This crap should NOT be condoned or tolerated in any way.

sw

[mloutre]

33. Official Denver Group mascots:

[GarbagemanLB]

35. But WE'RE the kool-aid drinkers.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[merh]

44. Have you seen the t-shirt you get if you give $50 to the campaign?

[RazBerryBeret]

63. hey, did you get that

out of Harriet Christian's closet????

[merh]

65. lol - are you kidding, she won't take her's off

:silly:

[RazBerryBeret]

72. haha...I thought maybe

you caught her on laundry day!

[merh]

73. now that is a frightening thought

to even met her would be bad enough, but when she is doing laundry.

Imagine midge with curlers covered in wash powder and candy wrappers.

:crazy:

[cliffordu]

45. They need to change their names to DINOS.

I am so sick of the "controversy" I could toss lunch.

( Whattaya know - a swearing-free post!!)

[blogslut]

49. Will they be wearing cute lil' indian costumes?

That would be adorable in a totally insulting to Native Americans sort of way.

[scarletwoman]

50. How about just pantsuits and face paint?

:evilgrin:

[libnnc]

53. OW!

Damn you! Vodka through the nose STINGS like a FUCKER!

:spray:

[scarletwoman]

54. Sorry! I truly regret any wastage of good booze -- not to mention your poor sore nose.

But I thank you for your sacrifice to the cause. :D

[Tigress DEM]

52. Sigh.

The Denver Group's "MISSION" is:

"..to insure that the DNC respect and carry out the democratic process at the convention in Denver this August by meeting certain specific goals. We will be advocating, and if neccessary pressuring, through purchased mass media as well other accepted avenues, the Democratic National Committee to see to it that these goals and the interests of tens of millions of Democratic voters are met."

(***see below for whole mission statement)



It seems to me they are not only drinking the Kool-Aid, they can't count. 18 million is 1 "ten million + 8 million" not "tens of millions which would be at LEAST 20 million.






http://thedenvergroup.blogspot.com/2008/07/action-alert-and-update-from-denver.html
****
WHO WE ARE AND OUR GOALS AND PURPOSES
The Denver Group has been formed to insure that the Democratic National Committee respect and carry out the democratic process at the convention in Denver this August by meeting certain specific goals. We will be advocating, and if neccessary pressuring, through purchased mass media as well other accepted avenues, the Democratic National Committee to see to it that these goals and the interests of tens of millions of Democratic voters are met.

Our goals are:

An open convention.

Senator Clinton's name placed in nomination. No symbolic roll call vote.

Speeches allowed by supporters of Senator Clinton on
behalf of her candidacy.

A genuine roll call vote with Senator Clinton as a legitimate candidate.

No coronation

[starroute]

58. The GOP is desperately hoping to disrupt the Democratic Convention

It's clearly one of their "October surprise" plans -- the hope of having a 1968-style meltdown in Denver, involving violence in the streets, dissent on the convention floor, or anything else they can cook up to make the Democrats look bad and rev up those old Nixon-era vibes.

Of course, there isn't anything remotely like that in the works -- but that won't stop them from manufacturing it. Look out for false flag terrorist attacks, agents provocateurs in the ranks of any legitimate protesters, and attempts to sow bad feelings within the party.

I've been getting a really uneasy feeling about this lately -- a sense that there could be some extremely nasty stuff in the world -- and I can only hope that the party leaders and Obama people are picking up the same threats and won't be blindsided.

[WhiteTara]

60. looks like a provocateur

She's campagining for him this week.