He has to win to change anything!

[Tinksrival]

Look, McSame's only strong suit is National security (ridiculous, I know!)
As awful as Bush was, he won another four years because of National security.
It wasn't gays, guns, god, or the economy. It was fear and FP and NS.
So in this climate it's the only way McSame can win and they know it.
They will use this angle any and every way they can.
Senator Obama can not appear weak on National Security in the slightest way.
He can't give them an inch. They will clobber him with it and they will win. It will be 2004 all over again.
We can't let the Republicans have the White house again....PERIOD!

This isn't the primaries anymore. So plug your ears if you have too cause it will get worse.
If Obama has to sound like some Christian patriotic badass then so be it. He knows what he has to do.

We have to trust. We have to have faith. Change WILL happen.......but only if we WIN. WE HAVE TO WIN!



Oh, and one more thing to seal the deal.....

OBAMA/CLARK '08

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[dailykoff]

1. He won the primaries on judgment, not strength.

If he tries to out-McCain McCain he'll obviously lose. That's why the FISA flip-flop is a disaster politically, apart from the fact that the legislation is heinous. He'll get crucified for voting yes, not for voting no.

[Tinksrival]

2. With all the tools Dems have as the majority,

there has to be a way to stall this shitstorm. That's what the Republicans would do.

[dailykoff]

4. I think the bill is a done deal, but what I'm saying is he loses nothing by voting no.

In fact it's a win win. The GOP gets what it wants, he gets it too if he's really got his eye on a big spy operation, and he keeps his judgment/change credentials, which is what he's going to win on.

Voting yes on the other hand gets him into a lot of trouble come fall.

[FrenchieCat]

3. He'll get crucified, period.

which is a problem for us, isn't it?

[dailykoff]

5. Not if he's on the right side.

If he votes yes, he's a flipflopper who wants to give Bushco unconstitutional spy privileges. That's a loser with Dems and independents. If he votes no, he's protecting our civil rights. That's a winner and that's how he beat Hillary.

[johnaries]

6. I strongly disagree.

McCain loses on the "flip-flopper" debate. If he attacks Obama on flip-flopping then he opens himself up for attack - and he is much more vunerable on this front.

The one area where McCain leads is on National Security. While Obama can't "out-McCain" him in this area, he can at least neutralize it to a great degree. Once it is neutralized, then Obama can win on all of the other issues.

[barack the house]

7. This is the reality we have if folks wanna tune out till November that's fine but from here to there

it won't be pretty but we must get in driving seat to reverse out of our very muddy ditch.

[John Q. Citizen]

8. Uh, no. He can change his stance on FISA on back to where it was before he changed it the first

time and he can do that before he's elected.

It will help him win.

Trust me on this.