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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 09:44 AM
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The Israeli Insider is saying Obama's birthcertificate is photoshopped!
I never heard of this site. I wonder who owns it.

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12939.htm

The "birth certificate" claimed by the Barack Obama campaign is not certified as authentic and appears to be a photoshopped fake.

The image, purporting to come from the Hawaii Department of Health, has been the subject of intense skepticism in the blogosphere in the past two weeks. But now the senior spokesman of that Department has confirmed to Israel Insider what are the required features of a certified birth document -- features that Obama's purported "birth certificate" clearly lack.

The image became increasingly suspect with Israel Insider's revelation that variations of the certificate image were posted on the Photobucket image aggregation website -- including one listing the location of Obama's birth as Antarctica, one with the certificate supposedly issued by the government of North Korea, and another including a purported photo of baby Barack -- one of which has a "photo taken" time-stamp just two minutes before the article and accompanying image was posted on the left-wing Daily Kos blog.

That strongly suggests that Daily Kos obtained the image from Photobucket, not the State of Hawaii, the Obama family, or the Obama campaign. Photobucket is not generally known as a credible supplier of official vital records for any of the fifty states, and the liberties that other Photoshoppers took with the certificates confirms this.

Some of these oddities surfaced in Israel Insider's previous article on the subject, but new comparative documentary evidence presented below, and official verification obtained by Israel Insider from a senior Hawaiian official, provides the strongest confirmation yet.
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12939.htm
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 09:46 AM
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1. This info comes across the blogs and someone in McCain's entourage
has to explain to the candidate what it means.

A marginal potshot at Barack Obama, unlikely to have very long legs.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 09:49 AM
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2. WHOIS
Please note: the registrant of the domain name is specified
in the "registrant" field. In most cases, GoDaddy.com, Inc.
is not the registrant of domain names listed in this database.


Registrant:
Exoteric Communications

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: ISRAELINSIDER.COM

Domain servers in listed order:
NS.RACKSPACE.COM
NS2.RACKSPACE.COM


For complete domain details go to:
http://who.godaddy.com/whoischeck.aspx?Domain=ISRAELINSIDER.COM
http://www.whois.net/whois_new.cgi?d=israelinsider&tld=com
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 02:01 PM
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50. Owner - Richard Koret
Not the Richard Koret whose estate funded a school @ Brandeis. According to a minimal research on the deceased Koret, the man had no family.

However, the Richard Koret who owns this site has some interesting domains registered under his name. Especially the last one on the list. Here they are:

1. 2jews.com
2. Bettyrockaway.com
3. Cultureglide.com
5. Israelinsider.com
6. Jewcy.us
7. Jewishinsider.com
8. Kiedf.org
9. Koldor.org
10. Koret.com
11. Koretfellows.org
12. Myjewcy.com
13. Netahebrew.com
14. Netahebrew.org
15. Promusicahebraica.org
16. Saveachildsheartus.org
17. Schmooze.us
18. Shmooze.com
19. Shmooze.us
20. Thelikud.org
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704wipes Donating Member (966 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 09:51 AM
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3. Is Obama's father living?
I know his mother is not. Does anyone know what her cause of death was? I'm just wondering because I don't recall ever hearing and it seems like most people his age have one living parent. I think I have heard his grandmother is still living.

And, I am not trying to start anything here. I plan on voting for him even if GOP runs a Hillary-Lieberman ticket.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 09:52 AM
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5. His dad died in an auto accident. His mom died of ovarian cancer when she
was in her 50s.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 10:41 AM
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26. His father died in 1982
Yes, his grandmother on his maternal side is elderly and ailing, but alive. He has a step-grandmother alive in Kenya.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 09:51 AM
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4. Go daddy
Registrant:
Exoteric Communications

220 Hibiscus
Rochester, New York 14618
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: ISRAELINSIDER.COM
Created on: 05-Jan-00
Expires on: 05-Jan-09
Last Updated on: 04-Jan-08

Administrative Contact:
Koret, Richard [email protected]
Exoteric Communications
220 Hibiscus
Rochester, New York 14618
United States
(585) 244-0967

Technical Contact:
Koret, Richard [email protected]
Exoteric Communications
220 Hibiscus
Rochester, New York 14618
United States
(585) 244-0967

Domain servers in listed order:
NS.RACKSPACE.COM
NS2.RACKSPACE.COM
http://who.godaddy.com/WhoIs.aspx?domain=israelinsider.com&prog_id=godaddy
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 09:54 AM
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6. Looks like quite a lot of neocon influence at the Israelinsider:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Insider

Contributors

Among the several hundred Israel Insider contributors since the publication's inception are notable contemporary commentators and political figures from Israel and the Jewish Diaspora, such as Benjamin Netanyahu, Melanie Phillips, John Podhoretz, Michael Freund, Michael Oren, Allan Dershowitz, M.J. Rosenberg, Barry Rubin, Uri Avnery, Jeff Jacoby, and Aaron Lerner as well as Christian Zionism pundits like Stan Goodenough and Ryan Jones.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 09:55 AM
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7. Donation methods
http://web.israelinsider.com/bin/en.jsp?enPage=EmptyPage&enZone=Donations&enInfolet=methods.jsp


Checks:
USD Checks can be sent payable to:

Koret Communications LLC

c/o K. Malley PC
2111 Wilson Boulevard, Suite 600
Arlington, VA 22201


Wire Transfers:
Please wire only amounts over $250:

Exoteric Communications Inc.

Bank of America (ABA # 026009593)
Clover-Monroe Branch
Rochester NY USA 14618
Account #9380302289


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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 09:55 AM
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8. This is truly stupid. Why on earth would anyone photoshop
their birth certificate when another copy could be obtained to verify it? An incredibly weak and lame attempt at a hit job.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 09:56 AM
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9. Why would you even post shit like this here?
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 09:57 AM
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10. I'm trying to figure out who these people are.
DUH
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 10:00 AM
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11. So that it could be exposed? And debunked? For the same reason snopes.com exists.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 12:34 PM
Response to Reply #9
46. Because she's trying to beat the smear, that's why! We can't hide and ignore this stuff
Edited on Sat Jun-28-08 01:00 PM by ihavenobias
To that end, I encourage everyone to read this thread on how to beat back many of the common Obama smears: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6410712

It's full of articles, videos and commentary and also has information on John McCain. If we ignore this stuff, it will NOT go away.

We night to shine a very bright light on it, and debunk it as the BS that it is.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 10:01 AM
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12. Koret Communications is a partner. Now this is interesting
http://www.koret.com/

Koret Communications PortfolioIsrael's daily newsmagazine. ISRAEL21c Israel beyond the conflict. Jewsweek Jewish news, views, media. Jewish Content Publishers' media marketplace. ...
www.koret.com/ - 2k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this

israelinsider: In The NewsOn Monday (June 24th) Jordan arrived at Koret Communications' offices, accompanied by Richard Davis, CNN's executive vice president for news standards and ...
web.israelinsider.com/bin/en.jsp?enDispWho=InThePress%5El1&enPage=EmptyPage&enDisplay=view&en... - 16k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this

The Case for a Larger Israel-Website.inddFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
Special thanks to Reuven Koret, David Meir-Levi, Bobby ... Reproduced with permission of Koret Communications, © Reuven Koret. 2. Biblical Israel ...
www.alargerisrael.com/Site/Home_files/Table%20of%20Contents.pdf - Similar pages - Note this

Koret Communications - BrightcoveKoret Communications. Sep 24 An interview with Yoni Livne, who expects war with Syria sooner or later, but doesn't know whether to stay and fight, ...
www.brightcove.tv/channel.jsp?channel=1184832439 - 29k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this

Reuven Koret - LinkedInReuven Koret. Reuven Koret. CEO at Koret Communications and Owner, Koret Communications. Israel. Contact Directly · Get introduced through a connection ...
www.linkedin.com/pub/0/360/96A - 12k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this

israelinsider: I am a Zionistis publisher of Israel Insider and CEO of Koret Communications. .... 2001-2002 Koret Communications Ltd. All rights reserved. Terms of Use.
www.israelinsider.com/views/authors/koret.htm - 52k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this

Reuven Koret: ZoomInfo Business People Informationby Reuven Koret ... Reuven Koret is publisher of Jewsweek Magazine, Israel Insider, and CEO of Koret Communications. Not who you were looking for? ...
www.zoominfo.com/people/Koret_Reuven_204419837.aspx - 22k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this

Death Squads for Iraq, by Paul Wolf with accompanying articles, 12 ...Copyright © 2003 Koret Communications Ltd. Copyright © 2003 The Baltimore Sun Copyright © 2003 Fayetteville Observer Reprinted for Fair Use Only. ...
www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/DS4Iraq.html - 22k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this

JEWSWEEK - About JEWSWEEK... to pursue other interests, and Jewsweek was redesigned and relaunched under the new management of Blue Star Media and operated by Koret Communications. ...
www.jewsweek.com/bin/en.jsp?enPage=BlankPage&enDisplay=view&enDispWhat=object&enDispWho=About... - 48k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this

What do you do with a problem like Ahmadinejad? - Page 27Since 1992, Koret Communications has established itself as Israel's leading provider of English language communication services for the technology and ...
www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=129785&page=27 - 94k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1T4GGIG_enUS236US236&q=Koret+Communications+&btnG=Search
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 10:36 AM
Response to Reply #12
24. No agenda there.
nothing to see.

keep moving.

attack Iran.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 10:03 AM
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13. Okay. I've seen enough. I'm sending this link to the Obama smears site.
If anybody comes up with anything else. Please post on this thread.
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Morning Dew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 10:21 AM
Response to Reply #13
21. it's already there, has been for a while
n/t
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 10:06 AM
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14. Right so now it is firmly established as fact
Edited on Sat Jun-28-08 10:07 AM by underpants
to be hinted at on Fox News ad naseum
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 10:08 AM
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15. Dammit! Obama's fight the smears website sends me to a donation page!
Edited on Sat Jun-28-08 10:09 AM by Joanne98
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 10:10 AM
Response to Reply #15
17. I got to it. Use this link:
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 10:17 AM
Response to Reply #17
19. Thanx.. Here's the email if anybody needs it...
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 10:09 AM
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16. Israel Insider is a loony-right site
Edited on Sat Jun-28-08 10:11 AM by LeftishBrit
(though left-wingers have occasionally contributed). It's also known to be pretty unreliable. And not really at all 'insider'.


I doubt that anyone, who isn't already very RW, takes it that seriously.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 10:12 AM
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18. Have you ever heard of this one? http://www.koret.com/
They are the partners...
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 10:20 AM
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20. Reuven Koret is a very RW Israeli journalist (i.e. votes for parties to the right of the Likud)
I doubt that he has much interest in Obama/McCain, however.

RW-ers are inevitably going to diss Obama. I don't think sites like IsraelInsider are going to have much influence on the American voters, however. It's not even at all a mainstream Israeli site, despite its name (for real info from Israel, go to Ha'aretz or Jerusalem Post).


And what's all this nonsense about Obama's birth certificate? Next, some RW-er is going to claim that Obama wasn't born!

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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 10:27 AM
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22. I'm just trying to trace the source of the rumor. Koret.com go daddy
Registrant:
Koret Communications Ltd

220 Hibiscus
Rochester, New York 14618
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: KORET.COM
Created on: 13-Dec-95
Expires on: 12-Dec-08
Last Updated on: 15-Dec-07

Administrative Contact:
Koret, Richard [email protected]
Exoteric Communications
220 Hibiscus
Rochester, New York 14618
United States
(585) 244-0967

Technical Contact:
Koret, Richard [email protected]
Exoteric Communications
220 Hibiscus
Rochester, New York 14618
United States
(585) 244-0967

Domain servers in listed order:
NS.RACKSPACE.COM
NS2.RACKSPACE.COM


I sent this thread link to Obama smear watch. I figure they will just read the whole thing. Unless they already know about this. I didn't see it on the site though.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 10:33 AM
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23. Well Koret saz Israeli Insider is our "flagship" He got two CNN execs to kiss his ass.
Check this out. They flew all the way to Israel to apologize!

Wiser than the big guys
Ido Kenan June 30, 2002


Originally published in Hebrew on Nana, one of Israel's leading online news websites.

Reuven Koret read what Ted Turner had to say about Israel and wrote a response to CNN. Within a week he found himself in a meeting with two CNN vice presidents. Koret runs the English language Israeli news website, Israel Insider. In an interview with Nana's 'Life Online,' he states that Israel Insider is first and foremost an Israeli site and discloses future plans to develop a Homeland channel that will highlight Israel's inner beauty.

CNN Vice President and Chief News Executive Eason Jordan arrived on a brief visit to Israel following calls to boycott the news channel. The calls arose after Ted Turner, CNN founder, called Israel's military actions - "Terrorism against the Palestinians," in addition to criticism of CNN for its unfair coverage of Israel.

Jordan's itinerary for his visit to Israel included a request to meet with Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, Communications Minister Reuven (Ruby) Rivlin and one Reuven Koret.

Initial contact between CNN and Mr. Koret was made on June 18, the same day on which the comments of Ted Turner, Vice-Chairman of AOL-Time Warner (AOL-TW), were published in The Guardian, a British publication. Koret, who owns and maintains the Israel Insider news website, wrote an op-ed piece in response, titled "Tell Ted Turner who is a terrorist."

In Turner's Guardian interview he said, "Aren't the Israelis and Palestinians both using terror against each other? The Palestinians are fighting with human suicide bombers; that's all they have. The Israelis... they've got one of the most powerful military machines in the world. The Palestinians have nothing. So who are the terrorists? I would make a case that both sides are involved in terrorism."

Mr. Koret wrote in response: "Ted Turner has the right to say what he feels. But the shareholders of AOL-TW, CNN's parent company, and consumers of AOL-TW products and services, also have the right to have their say." At the bottom of the piece, there were two hyperlinks, one to send e-mail to high-level executives at AOL-TW and CNN in response to Turner's comments, and the second to sign an online petition, which called for an immediate public apology from Turner and his boss, Richard Parsons, Chairman of AOL-TW. In addition, the petition demanded that CNN clarify how it plans to change its policy in order to differentiate between terrorists and their victims.

"On the first day, between 400-500 people wrote to CNN," Koret told Nana's Life Online. "Eason Jordan responded, by e-mail to me, within 18 hours. He explained that he was planning to visit Israel shortly, and was willing to meet with me on my terms. He said that he didn't feel that we were unprofessional or had misused e-mail."

On Monday (June 24th) Jordan arrived at Koret Communications' offices, accompanied by Richard Davis, CNN's executive vice president for news standards and practices. The duration of their visit was an hour and a half, during which they granted an interview to Israel Insider.

Closer to home
Koret (43) was born and raised in the United States, and holds a B.A in Comparative Religion from Princeton University. He immigrated to Israel in 1984, and in 1992 founded Koret Communications, a marketing communications company. With the growth of the Internet, the firm grew and broadened its services into both the Internet and the realm of online media. Today Koret Communications (which states on its jobs page that it only hires non-smokers) classifies itself as an Internet and Media consulting company, and employs 15 people, including the editor and writers of Israel Insider.

"Israel Insider is our flagship," says Tal Shaked, Director of Marketing at Koret Communications. "Three years ago we worked on a big project, Africana.com, which became the biggest African American online community, and was later bought by AOL-TW. After that success, Reuven decided he wanted to do something similar, but closer to home."

"We are first and foremost an Israeli site," says Ellis Shuman, editor of Israel Insider while explaining the ideology behind Israel Insider. "We are not a newspaper - we have no reporters in the field. We are much more a news magazine, taking the main story of the day and explaining it in English to people, and not only to Jews." Shuman explains that these same people would not always want to receive the news in English from the Israeli newspapers, which usually have a certain political leaning: "Although writers try to be objective, there is always the thought in the back of their minds regarding who is paying their salaries. In our views section, we give a platform for both sides to voice their opinions. We are neither right nor left, and also not center. We provide an objective perspective, though still an Israeli one.

e-Shnor
Koret says that in the near future two new channels will be launched on Israel Insider: a Homeland Channel which will deal with personal and touching stories about the "inner beauty of Israel" and which will be launched this month, as well as a Learning Channel for learning Hebrew and Jewish texts online, to be launched this summer.

To expand the business, you need capital. "For the past year, the site was non-commercial," Shaked said. "Reuven has invested lots of personal and company money in this." Recently, the site has syndicated and licensed some of its content and Flash inter-actives, such as its Security Incidents Map and Timeline, and Israel's Changing Borders Map.

Two weeks ago, the site began asking its visitors for donations to support its operation, or as is written there, "Show the world that you support Israel". In the best Israeli Shnor way, every donor of $18 and up gets his own personal recognition page, with his name and message of support for Israel - a virtual version of the plaques for donors to the State of Israel.

The day after the launching of Israel Insider's online donation drive, an anonymous donor, identifying himself only as A.F. of California, joined the "Publisher's Circle" by donating $2,500 and writing "I wish to express support for Israel and its people, and to help Israel Insider communicate accurate in-depth information about the Israeli reality." Koret said that he called to thank the donor, "but the gentleman didn't want to disclose his full name, and we have to respect that." According to Koret, over the two weeks just under $10,000 has been donated. "I wish we were profitable, but for now its done out of love."

In the 80s, Koret was a freelance journalist in the U.S. and Israel, but in the 90s he has become an entrepreneur, and in these days, he says, "writing is a luxury for me. Chances are if I'm already writing, it's probably a business plan. In CNN's case, we succeeded in making a difference in the way Israel is portrayed, and that's part of our mission."


http://web.israelinsider.com/bin/en.jsp?enDispWho=InThePress%5El1&enPage=EmptyPage&enDisplay=view&enDispWhat=object&enVersion=0&enZone=InThePress&
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 11:08 AM
Response to Reply #23
32. I didn't like the title of your OP but I appreciate the research. These
things are important to know. And kinda fun to dig up stuff, too. Thank you.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 11:12 AM
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35. You're welcome.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 10:41 AM
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25. SOURCE of the smear VERIFIED. It IS Koret!
http://observanda.blogspot.com/2008/06/newspaper-claims-obama-not-citizen.html



Unstamped certificate suggests Obama may not be "natural born" US citizen

By Reuven Koret June 24, 2008

The "birth certificate" claimed by the Barack Obama campaign is not certified as authentic and appears to be a photoshopped fake. The image, purporting to come from the Hawaii Department of Health, has been the subject of intense skepticism in the blogosphere in the past two weeks.

But now the senior spokesman of that Department has confirmed to Israel Insider what are the required features of a certified birth document -- features that Obama's purported "birth certificate" clearly lack.

The image became increasingly suspect with Israel Insider's revelation that variations of the certificate image were posted on the Photobucket image aggregation website -- including one listing the location of Obama's birth as Antarctica, one with the certificate supposedly issued by the government of North Korea, and another including a purported photo of baby Barack -- one of which has a "photo taken" time-stamp just two minutes before the article and accompanying image was posted on the left-wing Daily Kos blog.

That strongly suggests that Daily Kos obtained the image from Photobucket, not the State of Hawaii, the Obama family, or the Obama campaign. Photobucket is not generally known as a credible supplier of official vital records for any of the fifty states, and the liberties that other Photoshoppers took with the certificates confirms this.

Some of these oddities surfaced in Israel Insider's previous article on the subject, but new comparative documentary evidence presented below, and official verification obtained by Israel Insider from a senior Hawaiian official, provides the strongest confirmation yet.

An authentic Hawaiian birth certificate for another Hawaiian individual has since surfaced which, using the same official form as the presumptive Obama certificate, includes an embossed official seal and an authoritative signature, coming through from the back. Obama's alleged certificate lacks those features, and the certificate number referencing the birth year has been blacked out, making it untraceable.

Janice Okubo, Director of Communications of the State of Hawaii Department of Health, told Israel Insider: "At this time there are no circumstances in which the State of Hawaii Department of Health would issue a birth certification or certification of live birth only electronically." And, she added, "In the State of Hawaii all certified copies of certificates of live birth have the embossed seal and registrar signature on the back of the document."

Compare the top image presented by his campaign as evidence of Obama's 1961 birth and the other certifying the birth of one Patricia Decosta. ...

... finish the story
http://observanda.blogspot.com/2008/06/newspaper-claims-obama-not-citizen.html
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Frank Booth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 10:49 AM
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27. Good job, OP, in advertising this trash site. Have enough people clicked on your link yet?
This is the same site that was spreading the false story a few weeks back that Obama's brother said he had a "Muslim background," which turned out to be a deliberately false translation. I'm glad to see we're contributing to them by providing links to their bullshit stories at Democratic Underground.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 10:51 AM
Response to Reply #27
29. This is a research thread. I've sent the link to the Obama campaign.
This BTW is a NEW smear. We can't fight the smears if we don't know where they're coming from! DUH!
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 10:49 AM
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28. Rev Koret may be the source of the Muslim rumor too. June 7th
http://www.theabsurdreport.com/2008/is-barack-obama-a-muslim-wolf-in-christian-wool-by-reuven-koret/

Is Barack Obama a Muslim wolf in Christian wool? by Reuven Koret

The glib handling of criticism of his relationship with the anti-American (”God Damn America!”) and anti-Israel (”a dirty word for Negroes”) Reverend James Wright may have bought him a little time. But the legacy of dissimulation about his long-concealed identity is about to come crashing down around the ears of Barack Hussein Obama, courtesy of the assembled testimony of his family, friends, classmates and teachers.

Obama’s official campaign site has a page titled “Obama has never been a Muslim, and is a committed Christian.” The page states, “Obama never prayed in a mosque. He has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian who attends the United Church of Christ.”

Yet the accumulated research from primary sources who knew Obama from his childhood indicate that he was a devout Muslim, the son of a devout Muslim, the step-son of a devout Muslim and the grandson and namesake (”Hussein”) of a devout Muslim. He was registered in school as a Muslim and demonstrated his ability to chant praise to Allah in impressive Arab-accented tones even as an adult. Just as he has not disavowed his “uncle” Jeremiah, neither has he disavowed his Muslim faith that he was born into, raised with, celebrated and never abandoned. He just covered it over with a thin veneer of his own self-styled “Christianity.”
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It turns out the Trinity Church, like many African-American churches, happily accepts believing Muslims within its congregation.

Read more from Israel Insider.com

Related

Barack Obama: Muslim Apostate - For Al Qaeda, the answer - and the implication - is clear.
by Shireen K. Burki

Osama bin Laden must be chuckling in his safe house. After all, the 2008 campaign could very well give Al Qaeda the ultimate propaganda tool: President Barack Hussein Obama, Muslim apostate.

The fact that Senator Obama - the son of a Muslim father - insists he was never a Muslim before becoming Christian is irrelevant to bin Laden. In bin Laden’s eyes, Obama is a murtad fitri, the worst type of apostate, because he was blessed by Allah to be born into the true faith of Islam.

There are two types of apostates according to sharia (Islamic law) and the Hadith (sayings of the prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him).
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According to Islamic jurisprudence, children of a Muslim father - even an apparently nonpracticing one, such as Obama’s father, and irrespective of the mother’s faith - are automatically Muslims. Most Muslims around the world agree: A child of a Muslim father is a Muslim. Period.

Read article from CSMonitor.com

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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 10:57 AM
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30. Koret. Obama is a Muslim.. dated March 29th..
http://www.justsixdays.co.uk/isblog/?p=3357

Just when did that email start. Does anybody remember?
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 11:11 AM
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33. Koret started a network.. kol dor...
It is exciting to witness and be part of a revival of a network, now a network of networks, and to come into contact with so many remarkable, different and talented young Jews from around the world. Click here for link to the next round of photos; photos from the first day are available here. I’m told that shortly the fancy-shamancy secret weapon of kol dor, a new kind of Jewish innovation & action networking site developed by the talented Reuven Koret, will have a way of uploading all the photos from the conference from all the participants. It is probably viewable here at www.Amiut.com. This is the conference not-to-miss next year; this is the network to join and participate if you care about the future of Jewish life, have something to contribute and are seeking great other people with whom to scheme, dream and do.

http://www.peoplehood.org/?p=939

http://www.koldor.org/
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 11:13 AM
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36. Article on it here
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 01:10 PM
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47. Shortly after 2004
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 01:43 PM
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49. Thanx I just saw that. Freepers. It figures.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 11:03 AM
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31. IsraelInsider. Now there's a source for Americans n/t
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 11:12 AM
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34. I never heard of them before. Who are they?
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 11:32 AM
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39. I think this is all you need to know Joanne

Among the several hundred Israel Insider contributors since the publication's inception are notable contemporary commentators and political figures from Israel and the Jewish Diaspora, such as Benjamin Netanyahu, Melanie Phillips, John Podhoretz, Michael Freund, Michael Oren, Allan Dershowitz, M.J. Rosenberg, Barry Rubin, Uri Avnery, Jeff Jacoby, and Aaron Lerner as well as Christian Zionism pundits like Stan Goodenough and Ryan Jones.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Insider


Daniel Pipes is a frequent contributor too.

It's a propaganda outlet that will stoop to no low to serve Israel's interests. They were the ones who fabricated the lie that Obama's half-brother confirmed Barack was a Muslim.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 11:40 AM
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41. Thanx Catherina.. I've been at work so much lately I've missed a lot...
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 11:46 AM
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44. Honestly, you're better off missing it
:hug:

I'm very disappointed at some things Obama did lately but the lies can't be allowed to stand. The Israeli Right hates him because he won't promise to obliterate Iran.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 11:48 AM
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45. Lol. I'm sure you're right!
:hug:
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 11:14 AM
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37. If this is the best the G.O.P. can come up with, they're doomed. DOOMED, I tell 'ya!
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4themind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 11:20 AM
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38. What;s the evidence that this document was released by the Obama campaign?
Edited on Sat Jun-28-08 11:23 AM by 4themind
I mean I'm not saying that kos is a liar but did he ever divulge his source? Maybe someone was trying to intentionally screw him up (this is all assuming that this newspapers claims are credible, which I don't know if they are. I hope the Obama campaign can just squash these rumors, while concurrently having it public verified by the Hawaii state officials. I know he shouldn't HAVE to, but the swift boaters showed that even lies can become narratives if they are repeated often and are not combated equally as often.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 11:38 AM
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40. Jewish website fighting the attacks...
Jews For Obama, Anti Smear Action - REACT
Zay_ARisingStar - United Kingdom
06/27/2008 23:48 IT


When a relative sends you an email which claims Barack Obama is an Islamic Terrorist, or that he secretly wishes to destroy Israel, or that one of his associates is a notorious anti-semite, or so on, please check this site and look in our index for a way to REACT! with a short email message. If you can't find one, forward the item to Webmaven and we will post a new REACT! item ASAP.
http://jews4barack.com/react/

The smears against Senator Obama continue unabated. The New York Times has just reported on a new rumor campaign questioning Obama's religious background launched by Floyd Brown. He's the man responsible for the Willie Horton TV ad that helped torpedo Michael S. Dukakis's candidacy in 1988, a man who views the "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth," which slandered Senator John Kerry in 2004, as a paragon of virtue.

Every day at Jews for Obama we receive new attacks on Senator Obama intended to frighten Jews with distortions and innuendo.

There are many ways we can join together to fight back. We've assembled a "Rapid Response Team" which researches every major viral hate email sent our way and posts the facts on a section of our website called React! With just one click, you can forward any of our rebuttals to those who have sent you a "Schvitz Boat" chain mail about Obama.

http://jews4barack.com/react/
The Obama campaign has rolled out its own Fight the Smears website, providing facts to combat a few of the biggest lies. Jews for Obama's React! page is the central online clearinghouse for the American Jewish community for combatting the many falsehoods circulating about Obama which are of special concern to American Jews (and not addressed by the Obama campaign anti-smear site).



If you receive anti-Obama scare-mail from someone, don't sweat it! Forward it to us at [email protected] and if it merits a reply, we'll assign our SWAT (Special Writing Action Tactics) team to provide a rapid yet well-researched response.



In this issue of the Jews for Obama newsletter, we bring you our knock-down replies to several of the top Schvitz-Boat hate-mails which have been circulating of late in the American Jewish community. That's playing defense. But we can also play offense.



Join the nearly 800 American Jews who have already signed our statement "We are Jewish. We Stand with Barack Obama."


Send this message to the entire American Jewish community, and help get the word out - to Florida, Pennsylvania, and every state in the union:


As American Jews, we declare our support for Barack Obama, the Democratic candidate for President of the United States. We stand with Senator Obama because of his lifelong commitment to values we as Jews hold dear, our tradition of tikkun olam - the Jewish mandate to "repair the world." We support Senator Obama as a leader who has demonstrated long-standing and unwavering support for Israel.

Senator Obama has earned our respect and gratitude for his statements of moral outrage at the use of murder and terror by groups like Hamas, and for his far-sighted rejection of an Iraq war that has destabilized the Middle East and strengthened Iran.

From the earliest days of this campaign, we have watched as unsubstantiated and vicious rumors have spread through our community. Not one of the rumors has proven true. We ask those who continue to stir up baseless fears of harm to Israel to cease at once. Each of us must choose to support a candidate based on his record and plans for the future, not malicious innuendo.

Click here to read and sign the full statement and to help us distribute this and other messages throughout the American Jewish community.

Please forward this issue to your friends and family.
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SmileyRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 11:42 AM
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42. So he falsified government documents? Isn't that a felony? Call the FBI RIGHT NOW!!
This crap has been all over the internet for months but none of them ever thinks to have Obama arrested.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 11:46 AM
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43. I think this is all about Florida.. These smears seem to be aimed at
Jewish voters. If they can raise "doubts" they can take the state. Hopefully the Obama campaign can put this one to rest easily. Just get an original copy of the frigging birth certificate. I know it's stoopid but they need to take everything seriously. I remember when the Kerry campaign didn't react to the swiftboats because, "Nobody going to believe this". Well. The rest is history. Obama needs to react to everything no matter how stoopid it is.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 01:42 PM
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48. Now the "christians" are linking to the article.
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dman Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 04:52 PM
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51. Why doesn't Obama just give...
...a certified copy of his birth certificate to the press? He has to have one to get a passport. What's the big deal? Smack the right wing rumors down...
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