Clinton donors holding back on Obama until he figures out plan to retire her debt.

[dkf]

The Obama campaign has stepped up the pressure on its donors to help Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) retire her campaign debt, but the Clinton campaign wants even more action, according to donors on both sides.

People who have talked with key Clinton donors say the donors want Obama to show a specific plan for helping her retire her campaign debt. These donors are holding back on donations to his campaign until they get that assurance, according to the sources.

In addition, Clinton’s superdelegates want her accorded the courtesy of a roll call vote at the August convention in Denver, although that issue may not come up at the Mayflower meeting, the sources said.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11380.html

--

I guess she wasn't wasting her own money after all, she counted on wasting ours instead. When everyone is hurting this is making me mad. She isn't happy with Obama asking people who can afford it, instead she wants us, the little guy to pay up.

[Adelante]

1. We're not paying

Obama has said he's not reaching out to his grassroots donors. It's his big donors who will be doing this, which is as it should be. This show has to get on the goddamned road, so I hope they do it goddamned fast. I do not want another month with this campaign out of focus.

[MannyGoldstein]

2. The Republican Branch Of The Democratic Party

Just keeps digging themselves deeper into a hole.

[mod mom]

8. I don't think the small donors who have built Obama's coffers will react positively to these threats

I do not support the corporate wing of the Democratic Party and will not contribute to any of their candidates, including Clinton, regardless of who asks.

Overspending has it's consequences. Let the campaign who practiced this, face it's own fate. If I go over my budget, no one bails me out.

[JoFerret]

21. Obama is a member of the "corporate wing"

that is not a reason to fail to support with a vote and a contribution.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

38. Yes, but he's not DLC, Repug-Lite. She gets NOTHING from me as long as she

refuses to clamp down on her surrogates with their disgusting display of childishness. I know many Obama supporters who would be gladly to donate something for Hillary but are not doing so because they don't trust that she is not secretly trying to undermine his campaign or blackmail him behind closed doors.

[JoFerret]

50. Why are you raving on

about Hillary?

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

54. Because she needs to pull the reigns on her crazy-ass supporters and donors to

stop strong-arming the nominee. If you love her so much, why don't you and her 18 million strong give just $1 to her campaign. I don't like the behavior of her donors and her surrogates. She could do something to stop it if she really wanted to.

[leftynyc]

79. Well then tell me who to start yelling at

Because there is not one person quoted in that article. More bullshit from the media who only wants to report on trouble with the dems. I think this whole article is full of shit. Give me ONE name and perhaps I'll think otherwise.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

83. You're probably right. Maybe none of that is true. Only speculation or innuendo.

But the issue remains and it appears as though all the pressure to unite this party is being unfairly pushed on Obama. Hillary shares in this responsibility, as do her supporters. There's a better way to handle this rather than just strong-arm or threaten. This isn't the first time her surrogates/donors have behaved this way so I'm more inclined to believe that there is some truth to this article.

[Tom Rinaldo]

90. Most "big donors" are power brokers

They may also be fine people, but with limits on individual donations, in order to be a "big donor" you really have to work at it. It's not just writing a big check any more, it's being a "bundler". Most people who go to that trouble do so because they want to be "players" in national politics, for any number of reasons. And many of the people who they lean on to add to their "bundle" totals want to be in the loop also. They may donate to be in the good graces of either the bundler or the candidate, they are not all "true believers".

Given all that, the type of response Obama gets from his "big donors" to his call to help retire Clinton's vender debts will depend in part on how important a priority they think it is to Obama that they do so. If they feel Obamna is just going through the motions of sending out an email and press statement to keep the Clinton campaign off his back, they will write some checks to Hillary, but they won't work hard at bundling for her. If they get the impression that this is something that Obama really cares about, they will be more motivated to produce.

Keep in mind none of this really hurts Obama's fund raising. The "big donors" being talked about almost by definition are people who have already maxed out what they can legally contribute directly to Obama.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

91. Points well taken. I just hope that a compromise is reached that benefits all parties

without pissing off the party faithful.

[JoFerret]

93. Gosh

Rubber room time-out needed.

[SuperTrouper]

100. They want her to be VP, that's all...

it is all a political calculation by the Hillary donors.

[rodeodance]

68. more name calling --just like the primaries.

[JoFerret]

117. They are not going to stop

.

[Guaranteed]

125. Don't fucking namecall. nt

[LaurenG]

3. There is something very immature about those supporters.

Loyalty is great but blackmail and bribary is over the top, it's sickening. Geezus H crimmany, these that you speak of are idiots, plain and simple.

[Max_powers94]

4. Those Assholes..Obama need to come out and give them the finger in a press release.

[rodeodance]

33. more Unity and Hope messages??

[Max_powers94]

45. Let Obama be

[Kahuna]

130. I volunteer to do it for him! nt

[Submariner]

5. Who the F does she think she is for chris-sakes?

She wants a specific plan? F her! This weirdo blows up her riding-the-coattails of Bill campaign with that outrageous Bosnia sniper fire fairy tale, and she thinks she can dictate terms? What a buffoon.

[rodeodance]

30. sounds good to me-- or is it just more words??

[goldcanyonaz]

6. Wow, another unity post!

[BeyondGeography]

7. Count me out

Mark Penn's back pay will have to come from someone else.

[ErinBerin84]

9. I don't get what more some of these people want him to say

(from the AP article)

"But some attendees left feeling that Obama didn't go much beyond his standard talking points, and could have done more to win over her supporters. They declined to quoted by name."

At least he swayed others, here is one person who was undecided before she went to the meeting. Also interesting because she is a lobbyist, one person on a network the other day was trying to downplay democratic unity by scoffing about how she didn't know how Obama was going to get big Clinton donors to donate, since some are lobbyist. Yeah, she was working the "flip flop" theme. No cigar.

"Hannah Simone, a Washington energy lobbyist and top Clinton donor, said she entered the meeting undecided but is now ready to help. She can't donate herself because Obama does not accept lobbyist's money, but she said she'll start raising from others."
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2008/06/obama_donates_4600_to_clintons.php

[Saturday]

10. How can you love your candidate soooo much and disagree

with him on so many things? FISA and now this. You are aware he donated his $2300 to her campaign aren't you?

ETA - This is politics and he's a politician, get used to it.

[Arkansas Granny]

11. They are probably not aware that Michelle also donated to Hillary's campaign.

“I wrote my check to the Hillary for President Committee,” said Mr. Obama, who was greeted with booming applause. His wife, Michelle, also contributed $2,300.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/27/us/politics/27campaign.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

[dkf]

12. The Obamas can afford it, which is exactly my point.

Barack went to his bigger donors who can afford it and it sounds like the Clinton people don't think its enough.

Hillary and Bill can afford it. Why are they so insistent that the little guy who didn't even support her now help her out?

[Arkansas Granny]

19. I read the article you linked to. I don't find any reference to the "little guys",

but to Obama's bigger donors. If you don't want to donate, don't do it.

[dkf]

25. They don't think Obama's overture to his big donors is enough.

I read that to mean they want him to blast an email to all of us, the little guys.

What do you think they mean?

[Arkansas Granny]

35. I don't know what they mean and I can't read minds.

[dkf]

37. Seems obvious to me. There isn't much left.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

52. Wait, why can't she "blast an email" to HER 18 million supporters?

All they have to do is give $1. I don't understand why it is Obama and *his* supporters' responsibility to retire her debt when she used most of that to smear him during the primaries. She knew damn well that she couldn't win and yet insisted on keep going when she knew that she couldn't afford it. Now, someone PLEASE tell me how it should be HIS responsibility to clean up her shit? It's not!

She needs to ask her 18 million supporters to donate. As her own donors to donate. Leave us alone! x(

[PBS Poll-435]

72. This is just the saddest thing I have EVER read

:cry::cry::cry::cry:

Please take that dollar and buy a clue.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

84. Well, it's true. If each of her 18 million supporters only gave $1, her debt would be paid!

[dkf]

15. I don't follow anyone blindly. I examine everything on its own merits.

And he can afford it. People for whom $2300 doesn't mean a thing should donate.

I feel bad for the person who is having a hard time paying for gas money, ponying up to pay off Hillary's debt, which she incurred at the end of a campaign which was impossible for her to win.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

61. Exactly. Again, her 18 million supporters only have to give $1 a piece and her debt is retired!

It's so easy. And those people who voted for her and continue to support her against the nominee, if they are so committed to Hillary and embraced everything she stands for, then they'd give her money. That burden ought not be shifted to Obama's small donors. I have no problem with him asking his large donors, but to suggest that his supporters help Hillary when it is SHE who is responsible for her own debt, is preposterous to me! Ask her 18 million to give $1 apiece...

[mod mom]

77. I'm sure GOP Cross-over voters aren't willing to help so that # dwindles down.

that said, I believe her fervent supporters should be the ones to retire her debt-if they believe in her.

[blogslut]

20. "your candidate"?

He is our candidate.

[JoFerret]

24. He's not yours

that for sure.

[blogslut]

26. I love how you follow me around

I wish you made sense.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

42. Good on him. There's nothing wrong with him donating to her campaign as long as

he doesn't ask his small donors to donate. The answer is HELL NO!!!!

You have two choices: McSame or Obama. That's it. Vote accordingly.

[PBS Poll-435]

78. LOL

Do you yell at your mailbox when an advertisement shows up?

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

85. I never get advertisements. :)

[dionysus]

46. spontaneous concernbustion...

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

104. How can you love Clinton so much...

and disagree with her in her support for Obama?

[HughMoran]

13. blah, blah, blah

Thanks for the Unity :P

[dkf]

29. I'm just reporting what the Clinton donors are demanding.

The irony is that if I saw Hillary being magnanimous and telling them to donate to Obama so that we can win this election, I may have felt moved to donate to her. I only donate when I feel especially happy with a candidate.

But all that quid pro quo stuff turned me off big time.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

64. EXACTLY!!!! I know a lot of Obama supporters who feel exactly as you do!

We would be happy to give if they behavior wasn't so disgusting!!! x(

[JackORoses]

14. She could have conceded after Wisconsin when everyone else knew who was going to win

but she didn't
and in the process, she wasted millions.

Why should we pay the cost of Hillary's hubris?

[geek tragedy]

16. That money will go to pay off vendors, not into

Bill and Hillary's pockets.

Seems like a good enough cause.

[dkf]

18. I imagine if the whole debt gets paid, then it does go to them.

[demokatgurrl]

17. She'd get a lot more help, e.g., from me, if she

would promise not to give it to Mark Penn.

[briv1016]

31. If Mark Penn came with a money back guarantee Hillary would be clear of her debt including her loans

_____Time Period______Amount Paid

2007_January-March_____$0.00
_____April-June_________$277,146.96
_____July-September____$1,583,465.08
_____October-December_$2,269,418.11
2008_January___________$3,807,718.31
_____February__________$3,147,990.00
_____March____________$2,963,802.00
_____April_____________$3,098,972.00
_____May______________$943,708.00

_____Debt_____________$4,612,431.61

_____Total____________$22,704,652.07


_____Hillary's Debt______$22,523,860.72 (including loans)

[Saturday]

22. Really people....

do you think that 23 million is just toooo much to pay to get the good will of 18 million voters? BO didn't win by a landslide, there are 18 million who need to be convinced that BO wants unity too. BO asking his big donors to help pay off the debt is a little token to get us on his side. It's peanuts. It's politics. Do you want to win in November or do you want to only wag your finger at us? Isn't finger wagging a Republican trait?

[dkf]

34. Get real, she wants our names so she can own our data.

My mom donated to the Clinton Library and now she gets blasted for every political organization known to man. That was pretty much the only political donation she ever made.

I had a hard time getting her registered as a Democrat because she didn't want to be put on any more lists.

[Saturday]

47. Yea, Hillary is evil because she wants to own your data.

Like no other politician has EVER wanted that before. :sarcasm:

[rodeodance]

49. Obama wants the Clinton donor's list.

[Arkansas Granny]

102. I believe he must already have it. I've started getting emails from Obama's

campaign even though I have never given his campaign my email address.

[rodeodance]

115. i am sure they get lists from many groups

[PBS Poll-435]

74. ROFL

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[SwampG8r]

39. 18 million voters

can write 18 million 2 dollar checks

[hokies4ever]

55. Maybe none of the 18 million 'supporters' can spare a buck?

:rofl:

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

57. Nobody is suggesting that he not help her to convince the big donors to help with her debt

That's not what we are suggesting. I think a lot of us are put off by the behavior of her supporters who are strong-arming and trying to extort the funds from the donors. And my question is: does she not have to take any responsibility at all for the debt that she herself got into? What about HER SUPPORTERS. Why hasn't she asked HER small donors to just donate $1. That's all they have to do.

HILLARY CLINTON IS NOT ENTITLED TO HAVE HER DEBT SETTLED BY A MAN WHO HAD TO ENDURE HER SMEARS!!! SHE IS NOT ENTITLED!!!

[miles 2 go]

63. EXTORTION EXTORTION EXTORTION n/t

[LaurenG]

66. Something stinks with this thought. How about all of you pony up 2300 for Obama

is that too much to ask? After all he is the democratic nominee.

I am in support of getting Senator Clinton's debt paid but demanding it from Obama and acting as if (generic) you'll not support him if he doesn't do as he's told just f'ing blows.

What unmitigated gall some people have as they sit on their self righteous ass demanding something all the time.

[Lisa0825]

96. That is very misleading.

Only about a quarter of those 18 million voters are not already in the Obama camp. That talking point is lame.

I would have sent her a donation if I had the impression it was appreciated as a good will gesture, as opposed to being a payment on a threat.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

103. So now we have to

pay the Hillary supports off so they will vote for the Democratic nominee? That is pathetic.

[JVS]

128. She spent that 23 million creating ill will toward the winner.

[Kahuna]

133. She sure did. She wanted to undermine him every step of the way..

even to the point of claiming she got more votes than he did. THAT's why she stayed so long. She can pound salrt (or whatever it is one pounds) for all I care.

[Kahuna]

132. If her 18 million are such committed Dems they would have ponied up

long ago the way Obama's voters did. She's the one that keeps touting her 18 million voters..SQUAWK! She should either get THEM pay off her debt or shut the hell up about them.

[yourguide]

23. SHE CAN PAY HER OWN DEBT!!!

She HAS the money in the GE fund. All she has to do is ask her donors to allow her to use it to pay off the primary debt.

SHE HAS THE MONEY TO PAY IT AND THE MEANS. She can pay her own damn debt.

[JoFerret]

27. During the primary you had a

really nasty pic of Hillary at the bottom of your posts.

Now you seem to have made a similar choice now the primary is over.

[rodeodance]

32. It's the same ol, same ol hate from so many.

[dkf]

Have you donated to Obama yet?

[hokies4ever]

60. We already know the answer to that question

:rofl:

[rodeodance]

98. you only think you know.

[JoFerret]

43. I don't think it is hate with the

pic now. The opinion of it is purely my own. I am sure many others really like it too. Of all the ones to pick it is among my least favorite though.

[rodeodance]

48. i was not referring to you. Sorry if my message was confusing.

[hokies4ever]

58. Let me help you

:rofl:

[miles 2 go]

65. It's the same ol bullshit from Hillary

which is the exact reason we thought Obama was a better choice.

[JoFerret]

94. Has she been secretly posting again?

Or is she the enemy you've created that just keeps giving you excuses?

Today Barack and Hillary ar in Unity. Let's join them. Neither are perfect. Together they are pretty good.

If Hillary can do it after all she's been through - so can you. We need President Obama.

[miles 2 go]

131. Hillary has been around long enough

to know not to come out and say " I am holding Obama and his supporters hostage until my needs are met. In other words pay off my debt or I will not help you and will perhaps hinder you. I'm HRC and I approve of this message."

Come on. She is not going to get quoted extorting money. She knows how to play the game. It has become clear however that something akin to that has and is happening. Why the hell would they need attorneys to moderate their meeting?

You people that have the attitude of;
"SHOW ME. Show me where Clinton said that. If you can't prove Clinton said it, then it never happened." THAT"S BULLSHIT AND U KNOW IT. Something akin to that IS happening.

[LaurenG]

76. maybe a mirror would be helpful here.

Why not put yourself in other peoples shoes for a change. Jeez this gets old!

[yourguide]

97. +1

[rodeodance]

28. Who --other than YOU is making up stories-saying Hill wants the 'little guys' to pay up??

[dkf]

36. Obama asked his big donors to help and they want him to do more.

What more can he do?

That screams "blast an email to all donors" to me.

[peace13]

44. Obama needed to use his negotiating skills in advance!

Hill, this is what I will do for you with regards to your debt...please sign here. Not that here signature means that much on a campaign document but hey.

[Tom Rinaldo]

80. Perhaps they want him to lean harder on big donors

beyond sending out an email. Perhaps they want him to make a few key phone calls, and ask a few of his big donor friends to set target goals and work to help reach them. Who knows? But your speculation isn't the only possible answer.

[leftynyc]

82. Who is "they"

I see a bunch of accusations and the usual suspects getting their panties into a knot but don't see one person being quoted. You are all getting led around by the nose by the same media you decry every single day. If it weren't so maddening, it would be amusing.

[Peacetrain]

40. Oh geez..

[peace13]

41. The little guy will pay either way. n/t

[peace13]

51. Let's just look at this from another angle.

How much consideration would Obama have received from the Clintons or any other candidate for that matter if the tables were turned. None, Nada, Zip! That is all that needs to be said.

[mod mom]

53. The other candidates had the good sense NOT TO RUN UP SUBSTANTIAL DEBT

when it was obvious they were losing.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

69. Mitt Romney paid for his primaries with his own money. He lost!

He's not going around demanding that McSame pay off his shit. Huckabee isn't demanding that McSame pay off his shit.

Why should Obama and his supporters be strong-armed into doing just that? Ask her supporters to pay her shit!

[Kahuna]

134. 18 million voters..18 million voters..SQUAWK!!! They should pay. PERIOD. nt

[Evergreen Emerald]

56. Isn't Obama the candidate that brings unity and hope and change?

And yet, you all act as if he needs to stand there while Clinton brings about unity and hope and change.

Perhaps Obama needs to be the one to do the work required to EARN the money.

[hokies4ever]

59. I don't understand what you're crying about

Didn't Obama just write Hillary a $2300 check? What are you mad about? That's the most that he can give.

[miles 2 go]

67. Unity and hope does not = EXTORTION

Pulleeze! I'm tired of people using that "Isn't Obama about Unity" bullshit to defend Hillary's extortion of Obama and the American people.

[yardwork]

113. Obama did the work. He won the nomination. He doesn't owe the Clintons any money.

The Clintons ran up that debt trying to win the nomination. They lost. It's their debt, not Obama's and not mine. Furthermore, the Clintons spent that money running a dirty campaign full of racist innuendo against a fellow Democrat.

Like hell I'm going to pay for that.

[PBS Poll-435]

62. Nice OP

:eyes:

:nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity:

[dsomuah]

70. Forget her big donors then.

If they don't want to donate to the Obama campaign fine. The Obama campaign will do what it has always done. Rely on small donors.

Personally, the mathematics of, like 500 big donors saying: We will withhold our 2.3 million until you give our girl $18 million doesn't make sense to me.

They can keep their money.

[JVS]

71. Hillary should work on raising her own money to pay debts.

[MS68]

105. So, she shouldn't work to help get Obama elected?

She should work to pay off her debt instead? That would go over well. It sounds to me like she's getting ready to click into high gear and start campaigning for him. She's rested and ready to go.

[JVS]

107. Not if she's going to be a drain on his resources.

[miles 2 go]

127. she should pay off her debt instead of helping Obama?

What? She can't do both at once? I am pretty sure I saw her walking AND chewing gum once. I'm pretty sure she can multi task like that.

[snooper2]

73. Yeah, that would suck to be left with 95 million..

:rofl:




GOBAMA!

[PBS Poll-435]

75. Come on now....

That isn't helpful.

Don't spread lies.

[snooper2]

92. what lie do you speak of?

?


GOBAMA!

[PBS Poll-435]

109. Fuzzy Math is a lie

[snooper2]

111. Okay, so she only has 50 million, 70 million,

does it really fucking matter after 10 million :rofl:


Hillary, Bill and hedge fund daughter all are set for life...you crack me up...

She should pay the vendors out of her own pocket to. You see Mitt Romney complaining :rofl: :rofl:

[dana_b]

123. too true!

oh my heart bleeds for her....

[yardwork]

81. I'm not paying the debt Hillary Clinton accrued telling lies about Obama.

NO way. It would be one thing if she ran a good campaign in those closing months. Instead, she ran a filthy campaign appealing to voters' fears and biases. I'm not paying for that.

The Clintons need to get over themselves.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

87. End of story! Do like the Repukes do. You get yourself into debt. It's your

"personal responsibility" to lift yourself up by the bootstraps. The Clintons made their bed; they can lie in it.

[harun]

88. It isn't like it is real debt anyway. Basically the Clintons "loaned"

their campaign a ton of cash. Which they had.

[GoldieAZ49]

86. Obama wants donations from the big Clinton donors they want her debt paid off

They cannot donate anymore to her and won't donate to Obama until he gets it paid. It is only $10 million and Obama is not asking any of his small donors on the net to cover it.

Obama has large donors too, he didn't get where he is on small donations. His bundlers or maybe Soros will just cover it and we can all move on.

[high density]

89. This is new to me

I'm used to politicians sending out maybe an email or two after the campaign that says, "We have some debt, can you help?" But I haven't ever seen one campaign or its supporters demand that a successful campaign help out a failed campaign. Nor have I seen the media run with it in this fashion either, instead of explaining how irrational the entire idea is. I don't forget that on June 3, a little over 3 weeks ago, Terry McAuliffe was still introducing Clinton as "The Next President of the United States."

[democracyindanger]

95. You're a max donor to the Obama campaign?

You must be. That's who's being asked. Or maybe you're just making stuff up.

[barack the house]

99. The plan is easy Hillary opens cheque book and pays her own bills, voila....

That says the final bridge burnt to me. Time to move on and win the GE. They are trying to punk Obama like the WH with the congress. I now say no sale.

[MS68]

106. And then she can stay home instead of hitting the road for Obama

Maybe she should consider that.

[miles 2 go]

126. Maybe it would be best if she did stay home

Perhaps she could just help him without being in the public eye. After all, Clinton can really rally the pugs into going to vote since they hate her so much.

I don't see her working her little heart out for him as being helpful except for the big donors that she has.

Other than that, she's just a distraction and a drain on his resources.

What else can she do? Rally her supporters who are stupid enough to vote McCain? I will bet that at least 90 percent of her actual donors are democrats. Democrats tend to vote democrat. They will vote for Obama, the democratic nominee. THe rest are just pug disruptors pretending to be Hillary supporters.

Is she really going to be that valuable?

[QueenOfCalifornia]

101. Is it me or

since when is it up to me to pay off Hillary Clinton's campaign debt? How 'bout this, Hillary can write another book and use the proceeds to pay off part of her own debt.

I have some credit card debt. Will you guys please start sending me money so I can pay it off and buy a new car? Oh, I could use a vacation too.

[rodeodance]

116. Obama has said he is NOT asking the 'little people"

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

108. Wake up, Brother Barack The party is on fire!

Hillary: Brother Barack... It's Hillary...

Barack: ...yes, it is...

Hillary: Your nomination is a miracle. It is beautiful. God bless it.

Barack: ...

Hillary: ...I've been spreading His word far and wide, far and wide, so much travel for Him! I've been working with the Youtubes! So much has been happening, but to be here and find you and see you well is wonderful and we have to catch up.

Brother Barack, we're such good friends! so much time...

Things go up, things go down. But always we have the Lord. Things go up and down, don't they?

Barack: Are things down, Hillary?

Hillary: No, no... but I come with some sad news, perhaps you remember Mr. Penn?

Barack: ...

Hillary: He lived to be 99 years old himself. Mr. Penn has a friend. Have you met his friend? William? William is one of the finest members we have in the DLC. He is young and fit and strong and with good charismatic ability and is headed for wonderful things. He is eager to come to Hollywood and be in the movies. He is very good looking and I do think he will have success!

Barack: That's wonderful.

Hillary: Barack, I'm asking if you'd like to make 20 million dollars and use it to pay off the debt I made attacking you and your wife, attacking your patriotism, and your race.

Barack: ... I'd be... happy to work with you...

Hillary: You would? Yes? That's wonderful!

Barack: There is, however, one condition.

[ecstatic]

110. In such a close election, at such an important time... $30 mil is a lot of

money. I'm so disappointed in her selfish behavior.

[windbreeze]

112. Why'd she run her campaign that far in debt in the first place???

so she could hobble the fund raising abilities of Obama from the minute she got out of the race, by demanding that he find a way to retire her debt?? Has Mrs Rich discovered yet that most voters are people losing their jobs,(thanks to NAFTA) homes, cars, with no health insurance who are also having trouble feeding their families, or even driving to the store??? how the hell can we afford to donate to the one who sits on millions of personal wealth, and why should we be expected too?? What's more important here?...electing Obama or retiring a debt SHE never needed to incur in the first place??? I don't like the way this looks from where I sit..It appears they are holding Obama hostage.....someone tell me I'm wrong....wb

[yardwork]

114. That's the 21 million dollar question.

She got herself in debt for selfish reasons. She can pay it off herself. I have no sympathy. Furthermore, Obama needs all the money he can get to win the White House back for Democrats.

[Life Long Dem]

118. Obama gave to her campaign.

Now reporters or someone is telling me that Obama's campaign must donate to Hillary Clinton's campaign?

Are you serious? Don't hold your breath.

[GalleryGod]

119. F*CK them...just vote we don't need your steenking $$$

Roll Call Vote!?
KMA!

[genna]

120. My Clinton race baited red white and blue haze is just about clearing up

Even with the presumptions HRC and her supporters are taking in trying to force the rest of the party to stand still while Congressional races and the DNC have money to raise (much less Obama for the general election), I still can't get any more angry than I was during the primary.


I was beside myself because I was so PISSED with that he's black he can't win thing going on. Now, that hurdle is past---the bundling donors have the option to say we withhold our financial support.


All Obama can do is ask for their vote and their financial support. He can't force any supporter to give her money after that primary. Obama made a choice to run the campaign the way he did. So did Hillary Clinton.


If we have the photo op but no financial support, we have to take that on the chin and thank God that the point is being made early.


The deal here is Clintonites, an entire administration full of qualified experts, have their future to consider too. If they are leaking these kinds of stories instead of manning the election against McCain, they are making future career choices. Obama is man enough to figure out whether he is going to be painted into a particular kind of corner or whether he is going to take the lead on the Democratic Party's future. I still remember the stampede of Congressional HRC supporters after the Obama won the sufficient delegate votes because of these leaks and the pressure they were trying to place on Obama.

[Occam Bandage]

121. I still have student loans. Let her figure out how to pay her own debt.

[dana_b]

122. I got an idea!

Instead of asking his big donors to bail her out, and then her donors to give to him after that, why don't her donors give to her now, and his donors just give to him? :shrug:

edit* bad idea. I forgot they're all maxed out!!!

[Raine]

124. This kind of thing is why I won't give any

moeny that will go to Hillary...I don't go for blackmail! :mad: The Clintons have plenty of money, they kept the campaign going for months after they should've stopped, galling they want our money.

[Kahuna]

129. If Hillaries 18 million that we keep hearing about are so loyal, you'd

think they would have retired it long ago. I don't get it. :shrug: