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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 01:40 PM
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Is there anyone who doesn't like the idea of Biden as VP?
If not, why not?
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ReverendDeuce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 01:41 PM
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1. Is he a front-runner? He's my #1 pick!
Joe rocks!
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 01:43 PM
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2. I'm a little iffy.
I'd rather see him as, say, Sec. of State, where his foreign policy ideas (esp. in regards to Iraq) could be implemented. I think that's a better position for him than being out on the campaign trail. Biden's got a lot of great ideas, and I'd love to see him as part of the Obama administration, but he's a pretty poor campaigner.
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 01:45 PM
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8. I saw him in some town halls on C-Span and thought he was good
He just didn't have the money to TRULY compete and his crowds
were abysmally small ... but he gave a good stump speech and
seemed to really connect with the people he did talk to. I
just think that we need someone with his grit and fight as
part of the ticket -- a VP debate with Biden as our rep
would be FANTASTIC!
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 01:47 PM
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13. you're right.
I remember watching the early debates and thinking that Biden won them. They would interview people after the debate and they were the most impressed with Biden. But his candidacy didn't catch on.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 01:51 PM
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17. Maybe so, but he also has a lengthy history of sticking his foot in his mouth.
Like I said, I'd love to see him as Sec. of State, but I think he's not our best VP choice for a number of reasons. He's 65 years old, which mutes criticism of McCain's age. He has a 35-year record in the Senate that can be used against him. He comes from a small state that Obama will win regardless of whether Biden's on the ticket.

I agree that he's got lots of good ideas, but looking at it on a purely strategic, political level, Biden doesn't make a lot of sense on the ticket.
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 01:47 PM
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14. i agree. rather see him as sec. of state. nt
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 01:49 PM
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Early showings
trying to break out of the second rank pack were terrible compared to his finish in Iowa and Senate performances. He might be too deferring and senatorial in debates and too apt for foot shooting on the campaign trail? How on board is he with Obama's policies? Plus, he's another Senator.

Still, getting to know him in the late stages of the campaign was impressive. More than satisfactory unless you have a big favorite in this field- which I don't.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 01:55 PM
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21. I tend to agree. GREAT SoS. nt
Edited on Fri Jun-20-08 01:56 PM by blondeatlast

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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 01:43 PM
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3. I LOVE Biden ... he's already acting like the attack dog VP candidate
His quip about Ghouliani ("a noun, a verb and 9/11")
STILL makes me chuckle.
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eissa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 01:43 PM
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4. I do like him, but
I'd prefer the VP not be a Senator, especially one as skillful as Biden. I'm still hoping for Wes Clark or Tim Kaine.
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 01:43 PM
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5. I'm ambivilant....

....It's just that he's been around so long and run for office so many times, I don't know if he'll add much to the ticket. Maybe there's something I don't know, though.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 01:46 PM
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11. He adds a lot..
Edited on Fri Jun-20-08 01:48 PM by butterfly77
he was the only one who kept warning everyone about the road that Bushco was taking us down throughout the occupation no matter how many complain about him being on all of the talk shows he was right and he knows a lot about foreign policy.

He gets along well with Obama. He knows a lot about the ins and outs of government..and he is a fighter I would love to see him in a debate with any vice presidental nominee on the other side..
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 01:55 PM
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20. ...fine with me.

Certainly I don't think it would prevent anyone from voting for Obama.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 01:45 PM
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6. I have nothing against Joe but I'm not sure what he really adds to the ticket
Edited on Fri Jun-20-08 01:45 PM by onenote
While having two senators on the ticket doesn't thrill me, I don't think it matters that much. My concern is whehter Biden will appeal to portions of the electorate that might be on the fence between Obama and McCain and I'm not sure if he does that. ANd he's not a terribly compelling campaigner. But I have no problem if he gets the nod.
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gaspee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 01:45 PM
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7. Biden?
Mr Bank himself?

Senator from Delaware and the infamous "Delaware Corporation" - no thank you. Though I have pretty much resigned myself to another corporate candidate on the ticket, and I guess Biden isn't worse than others.

Better Biden than Nunn, right? Not much of a choice. Sigh.

Barney Frank for VP!
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 01:45 PM
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He displayed the SAME bad judgment as McCain in voting for the war.
Obama says he has the superior judgment to be CIC. So why in the world would he appoint as the commander-in-chief in waiting someone who voted for the worst debacle in U.S. history?

I'm sure the GOP would be more than happy to exploit this issue.
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olkaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 01:53 PM
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19. Maybe, but don't make the perfect the enemy of the good
Biden does have the best plan for getting out of Iraq, despite his bad vote.

BTW: I honestly don't know, did he apologize for it?
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 08:30 PM
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40. Well demonstrating that type of MONUMENTAL bad judgment should
disqualify him from consideration. He doesn't need to be VP for Obama to listen to any of his ideas.

What difference should an apology make? It's not like your apologizing for a minor mistake.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 01:45 PM
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9. Here.
Edited on Fri Jun-20-08 01:46 PM by RUMMYisFROSTED
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 01:46 PM
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10. I don't. Not only would he bring little to the ticket, he'd be wasted in the position.
Biden wouldn't help in bringing in any new voters as the VP pick but he would as the presumptive Secretary of State. Except under the current administration the VP spot is largely ceremonial so why waste someone as versed in foreign policy as Biden in a position that mostly attends funerals?
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 01:47 PM
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12. I don't want him as VP -- imo, we need him as Secretary of State
He's been on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee for a long time.

We desperately need someone who can repair (or at least start to repair) the damage that has been done by BUSHCO.

Biden is sharp and, imo, would be a GREAT Secretary of State. I think he can do more good for us in that role.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 01:49 PM
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15. Clarence Thomas hearings, remember Anita Hill?
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 01:50 PM
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16. Nope. I don't remember that.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 02:05 PM
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23. Here is some background

Delaware Senator Joseph Biden has declared his intention to seek the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination. For decades, the senator has been the prototypical establishment Democrat, a weak man who possesses a liberal façade in lieu of liberal principles. By offering to be its standard bearer, Biden is presenting his party with the opportunity to self-destruct.

Clarence Thomas sits on the Supreme Court because Joe Biden is a coward. As Chairman of the Judiciary Committee, Biden allowed Republicans to hijack the Thomas confirmation hearings. He watched passively while the nominee’s perjury was overshadowed by vicious right wing attacks upon Dr. Anita Hill. Witnesses who were prepared to substantiate Hill’s allegations of professional misconduct against Thomas were not summoned because Biden’s top priority was mollifying his reactionary colleagues.

Biden became enraged during the Thomas hearings, but his hostility was not directed toward the Republicans who smeared an honorable woman or at the judicial nominee who lied under oath. Instead, the senator furiously denounced civil rights groups and women’s organizations that claimed they had convinced him to derail the nomination. “Joe Biden is not in anyone’s pocket!” he thundered. http://makethemaccountable.com/podvin/more/050626_CluelessJoe.htm
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 08:38 PM
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42. Aw, you're so young. The treatment Ms. Hill received from the Senate Confirmation Committee
was truly appalling. Biden was part of that.

For me, "Mr. MBNA" himself would bring nothing to the ticket. It doesn't strengthen the ticket in terms of attracting working-class voters. I like Joe but he is a pure DLC Democrat who voted for the bankruptcy bill and NAFTA. I can't get down with that.

But I've stated this many times: I think he's better suited for the Sec. of State job. He was right about Pakistan and I will continue to shout that from the rooftops until people acknowledge the fact that he was the only candidate who spoke honestly about our policy towards Pakistan. I think Obama learned from him. He's a much better diplomat.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 01:57 PM
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22. Did not me to reply to myself, LOL!
Edited on Fri Jun-20-08 02:05 PM by goldcanyonaz
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 01:52 PM
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18. I don't like the idea of any sitting senator for VP
We need to keep as many Dem senators as possible.
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loyalsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 02:21 PM
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30. Agree
I also think that the VP pick should be a person who is likely to help strengthen ties with women's groups.
That requires a history of relationships with them, but certainly hopefully at least not alienating women's groups.
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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 02:07 PM
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24. Not as VP
first of all, I'm not for taking anyone out of the Senate. Of course, I'm not familiar enough w/ Del to know if he would be replaced w/ a Dem

I would rather see ohn Edwards as VP
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SuperTrouper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 02:08 PM
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25. Biden for Secretary of State
and someone else for VP
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 02:08 PM
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26. He's dead to me ever since he hugged LynneSin.
:puke:
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 02:20 PM
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29. I know how you treat your senators. You called Sen Webb a BOZO
That's why you're on my ignore list
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KellyW Donating Member (539 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 02:10 PM
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27. Absolutely NOT
I am not a fan. He is one of the worst show offs in Senate.
IIRC he was big for the bankruptcy bill-which is not a surprise being a senator from Delaware, you pretty much have to be in the pocket of credit card companies.

I still remember him at one of the high profile hearing about Iraq. Instead of asking any questions, he just made a grandstanding monologue.

While I like his position on Musharraf, I just think he is not what we need in a VP. We need someone great !
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 03:24 PM
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35. Your opinion.
:eyes:

Losing Biden as a presidential candidate was a sad day.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 02:11 PM
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28. Horrible choice.
Edited on Fri Jun-20-08 02:12 PM by Radical Activist
One, he's the wrong candidate to appeal to middle America. If you don't understand why then I probably can't explain it to you. We don't need an east coast candidate with fancy handkerchiefs in his suit pocket. He'll have even less appeal in the south and midwest than Kerry.

Second, he's inconsistent. On his shifting position in Iraq and his erratic public appearances. Sometimes he's really good and sometimes he's embarrassing. Obama doesn't need to risk that kind of uncertainty on his ticket.

And he's wrong about Iraq. He was wrong to vote for it and he's wrong to portray a popular uprising against an occupying force as a sectarian civil war. He didn't get it then and he doesn't get it now.

Finally, I'm not worried about who Delaware votes for.
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JaneQPublic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 02:33 PM
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31. Wouldn't he be better utilized as Sec. of State?
That's assuming of course that Obama will be abandoning the Cheney model of VP.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 02:37 PM
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32. I don't think he would be a good choice for running mate.
I don't believe that Delaware is considered to be a major battleground state. I don't think that Biden would have the sort of appeal to blue collar workers and rural voters that Obama will need. I think his decades long Senate record would be a liability. I respect his foreign policy expertise, but I think we could get similar expertise from other running mates who would bring other pluses with them.

He's a good guy and I like him (though profoundly dislike some of his votes), but I think he could do much more good in some role other than VP.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 03:07 PM
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33. He should stay in the Senate
Without a doubt.

Bake
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 03:09 PM
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34. Isn't he the guy that's behind this baseball steroids bullshit?
And is really relatively hawkish?
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cloudythescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 06:33 PM
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36. For a number of reasons -- I say pick a WOMAN who NEVER SUPPORTED THE IRAQ WAR RESOLUTION and
who really would boost the ticket electorally. Biden is smart, and very strong on foreign policy, but he's far from an ideal VP choice in my arrogant opinion
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 06:39 PM
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37. I don't. I don't mind Biden, but Obama's best chance of winning is with Clinton as VP.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 06:41 PM
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38. I'd have to look at his voting record for issues I'm
vehement about.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 06:41 PM
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39. I think his skills are better put to use in another position
State Dept, perhaps? I don't think Biden would take well to being anyone's 2nd fiddle. Besides, he does tend to stick his foot in his mouth.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 08:34 PM
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41. I think Biden would be a particularly strong choice for vice president.
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