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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 07:31 PM
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EMILY's List Warns Hillary Dems Off McCain
Run Date: 06/12/08
By Alison Bowen
WeNews correspondent

After a bruising Democratic primary some Hillary Clinton supporters are mulling voting for John McCain. One of Clinton's staunchest supporters, EMILY's List, argued against that yesterday, calling a vote for the GOP candidate a vote against women.

Ellen Malcolm

(WOMENSENEWS)--EMILY'S List, the political action committee that churned out money and support for New York Sen. Hillary Clinton until the last gasp of the Democratic primary campaign, urged disgruntled supporters on Wednesday away from the GOP candidate.

A vote for Arizona Sen. John McCain would be "unthinkable," Ellen Malcolm, EMILY'S List president, said in conference calls with reporters yesterday to counter the McCain campaign's efforts to woo disappointed Clinton supporters. EMILY's List supports only Democratic, pro-choice female candidates. McCain has consistently voted against pro-choice and anti-discrimination legislation in the U.S. Senate.

In her concession speech on Saturday Clinton urged her supporters to join her in backing Illinois Sen. Barack Obama and she has continued to press that message this week. But a June 10 CNN poll found 17 percent of Clinton supporters weighing a vote for McCain. The poll's margin of error was plus or minus 7.5 points.

McCain advisers said this week that the campaign will try to target "disaffected Democrats" who supported Clinton and may be hesitant to support Obama.

"I think that idea is a pipe dream, because Sen. McCain is really out of touch with the lives that these women are leading, and he's against many of the policy positions that they hold," said Malcolm, a staunch Clinton ally who decried the pressures on her to bow out of the race in a recent op-ed for the Washington Post.

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http://www.womensenews.org/article.cfm?aid=3633
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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 07:35 PM
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1. Those that would chose McCain over Obama were not Dems to begin with by definition, right?
They were never on our side in the first place so I'm not sure what we lose by them going for McCain
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 07:39 PM
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2. not right - they protest the DNC/Media/Air America/DU bias - most will heed Hillary and vote Obama -
but there is a 6% increase in the margin over McCain when Hillary is on the ticket as VP per polls taken in past week in key states. I think Obama can win without Hillary as VP - but the party will suffer
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 07:45 PM
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3. That's like protesting gas prices by blowing up your car with you sitting in it.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 07:48 PM
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5. Perfect.
:rofl:
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 07:49 PM
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8. 'I'm going to protest the war in Iraq by shooting myself in the face!!!1'
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 08:00 PM
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14. "I'm going to protest gravity by jumping off a bridge!!11"
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 08:24 PM
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21. "I'm going to protest the unfair treatment of women in society by beating my wife!'
more accurate.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:23 PM
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31. this group was one of the worst offenders when she was trying to
work out how to win in spite of losing. its about time these people did the right thing.
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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 07:49 PM
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7. I can't make any sense out of your post - we're talking about those that don't heed HC and Vote Rep
They are not Dems because they voted for a republican
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 07:55 PM
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"DNC/Media/Air America/DU bias"
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

those damn democrats!!!

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
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iconicgnom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 09:14 PM
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28. BS - those who protest a so-called "bias" THAT wide aren't Dems.

When a so-called "bias" against a candidate or position is THAT wide, I suggest that Dems are looking at differences in reading matters of principle, or actions as they relate to matters of principle. Unless the Democratic Party is a party of kindergarters, a so-called "bias" THAT wide would never be based on something that could be explained by "They're picking on me!".

I don't believe that the majority of Dems, or the majority of US citizens, are sexist, or racist. I'm not saying that problems of sexism or racism don't exist, that'd be absurd - but that I believe that progressive values are, after 3 or 400 years and in civilized countries, on the ascendant. Are superior or dominant forces.

That's why I agree with GOTV, not with papau
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:40 PM
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34. The party won't suffer without Hillary on the ticket
Your gal lost. Get over it already. :rofl:
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 07:47 PM
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4. I applaud Emily's List for taking a stand against this crap, but
I think this small band of Repuke infiltrators is getting far too much publicity. I do not believe there are any legitimate Democrats who would rather vote for a racist, sexist, insane warmongering lunatic, rather than the Democratic nominee.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 07:54 PM
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11. I agree. I think they're a puny marginal group of folks who are getting a LOT of ...
...press because it's negative against Obama.

And you know, the lamestream media will promote ANYTHING and ANYONE that makes Obama look bad. The plutocracy will have no part of the likes of Obama in the White House if they can help it - and their propaganda machinery has been working overtime on preventing it. I expect that will continue and only worsen in the months to come.

I H8 the lamestream media!
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 07:49 PM
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6. Good on them for supporting Obama and telling the TRUTH.
McCain doesn't give a shit about women...he'll say what they want to hear to squeeze out a few votes, but as president, he'll be as pro-woman as Jack the Ripper.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 07:52 PM
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9. Emily's list has restored my faith in them. I wondered...
...where they'd been on this whole thing. Couldn't believe they'd just sit there silent. At least they didn't do that.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 07:53 PM
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10. I have faith that most rational supporters of Clinton will do the same as Emily's list.
McCain is a complete pig...what does he have, 0% ratings from both planned parenthood and NARAL? doesnt' that tell ANY woman what they need to know about him?
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 07:55 PM
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12. You'd think that big, fat zero might tell 'em something! Sheesh. n/t
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 07:56 PM
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13. Some older feminists are voting for McCain specifically to spite younger females.
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 08:05 PM
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15. That doesn't sound "feminist" at all...
that sounds just plain bitchy. What a stupid old stereotype to continue. sigh...
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 08:26 PM
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23. only a handful of people.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 08:19 PM
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18. Do you have proof for that? I don't believe it!
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 08:25 PM
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22. I'm not going to post links to relevant posts as it would be calling out...
but there are a handful of duer's who have said as much.
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DangerousRhythm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 05:29 AM
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35. Damn right.
And good on Emily's List for speaking out!

:thumbsup:
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 08:07 PM
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16. I applaud Emily's List
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 08:18 PM
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17. a vote for the GOP candidate is a vote against women.
AND THE REST OF THE WORLD!
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 08:22 PM
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19. 'zactly...
...it's just like this:

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Blondiegrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 08:23 PM
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20. "EMILY's List supports only Democratic, pro-choice female candidates."
Only female candidates? That is bizarre.
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 08:50 PM
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25. Yes, it is. I am a supporter of them and NOW, etc. but...
I wrote to them and told them that I have supported and worked for a lot of women Democratic candidates so on the off chance I might run for something someday, would they support me? They flatly told me 'No'. Not only that, if I was in a primary against a pro-choice woman, they said they would support the woman even if she hadnt previously been associated with Emily's list, was a newbee to politics, etc.

No organization is perfect and that includes Emilys list and NOW.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 08:38 PM
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24. I was there
My office had a table, and I was on the fence about going, because I used to work at EMILY's List and thought it might be a little awkward. But I was glad I went. It was interesting. They were making a push to unite the party, though Ellen Malcolm and Stephanie Tubbs Jones made reference to 18 million voters and Malcolm even said something about the popular vote (more votes than any presidential candidate in history). But otherwise the speeches seemed intent on arguing why women needed to move past the primaries and support Obama. They even had one Obama supporter, Donna Edwards, as one of the speakers. And I have to say, while she infuriated some of us during the primaries, Stephanie Tubbs Jones is pretty funny in person.

The audience seemed mostly receptive to Obama if not overly enthusiastic. There was no booing, and calls to support him got a pretty good ovation but not the same kind of overwhelming cheer that you hear anywhere else when Obama is mentioned.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 08:55 PM
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26. I'm reminded of a phone poll I answered earlier today
I usually just hang up on those, but I was sort of curious this time, so I figured I'd play along. When the recording said, "If you are a Democrat and voted in the primary, press one if you voted for Barack Obama and two if you voted for Hillary Clinton."

I pressed one, and the recording immediately said, "Thank you. This poll was paid for by John McCain for President" and terminated.

That seemed odd to me. I mean, what were they getting out of one question?

But after reading this thread, I'm wondering whether if I had pressed two for Hillary there would have been some more questions and maybe even a little push-polling to try to get me to vote for McCain.

We're in the Philadelphia suburbs, by the way, an area that's clearly of continuing interest to the campaigns, so I wouldn't be surprised if there was something like that going on.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 09:25 PM
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29. Have you made the Obama campaign aware of that call?
I'm sure that the Obama camp has a great ground team in PA, but they may need people like you to make them aware of McSame's tactics. :hi:
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iconicgnom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 09:02 PM
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27. wow, that sounds so 19th century - I mean, that a warning is even necessary.

But kudos esp. to women oriented sites for making the arguments. They need to be made, continually - of course.

Moving in principled lines, always, keeps progressives "together in differences".
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 09:30 PM
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30. McCain is all for women's rights.......
First and foremost....the right to be cheated on and then dumped when an illness arises.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:27 PM
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33. Bwah! Right, and to have a bunch of MEN decide for them what they may or may not do..
..with their bodies, babies, and lives.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:26 PM
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32. In case anyone needs to be reminded of how idiotic it is to vote for McCain...
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