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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 12:33 PM
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Welcome to the General Election. So, what does this mean for Democratic Underground?
Now that the Democratic presidential primaries are over, and the seven-day transitional period here on DU has passed, it's time to start looking forward to the General Election between Barack Obama and John McCain.

I think the switch to General Election mode has gone better than expected so far, and I honestly believe that the vast majority of visitors to this website have not had any difficulty moving forward and coming together to support our presidential nominee. Indeed, most of the people who were very active in the heated primary discussions of the past six to nine months have already made great efforts to rebuild the bridges they burned during that time. I'm very glad to see this - but not entirely surprised, considering that the differences between Senator Obama and Senator McCain are so vast and so glaringly obvious.

Unfortunately, there will be a very small number of people on both sides of the former Obama-Clinton divide who want to keep fighting the primaries. I know from previous experience that some of these people will not be able to let it go for years, and may never fully come to terms with what has happened. Hopefully these people will be able to find solace elsewhere because as of today there is no place on DU for those who seem committed to a never-ending rehash of the 2008 Democratic primaries.

If you are wondering what will be permitted here from now on, here is a short excerpt from our rules:

Constructive criticism of Democrats or the Democratic Party is permitted. When doing so, please keep in mind that most of our members come to this website in order to get a break from the constant attacks in the media against our candidates and our values. Highly inflammatory or divisive attacks that echo the tone or substance of our political opponents are not welcome here.

You are not permitted to use this message board to work for the defeat of the Democratic Party nominee for any political office. If you wish to work for the defeat of any Democratic candidate in any General Election, then you are welcome to use someone else's bandwidth on some other website.


That pretty much covers everything you need to know...

* Constructive criticism of Democrats or the Democratic Party: Permitted.
* Highly inflammatory or divisive attacks against Democrats: Not permitted.
* Using this message board to work for the defeat of any Democratic Party nominee for any political office: Not permitted.

If you follow those rules, you'll be just fine. If you try to find a way around those rules, you take your chances with the moderators. It's that simple.

SO, WHAT DOES THAT ALL REALLY MEAN?

It is really easy to tell you what is permitted and what is not but in practice it is often very difficult to enforce the guidelines that we set, and that is particularly true in this case. We want to make DU a more civil and unified community where members can support the Democratic nominee, but we do not want to go overboard and disallow honest and open discussion of certain issues. This means that we can rarely draw a bright line and say "Do not cross."

With this in mind, here are a few issues to consider:

Now that Senator Obama is our presumptive nominee, he holds a special position in the party, and on Democratic Underground. Barack Obama is now the only person on the planet who can stop John McCain and finally put an end to the disastrous policies of the Bush Administration. You don't have to love the guy. Heck, you don't even have to particularly like him. But if you act like you want him to lose in November we're not going to cut you a great deal of slack.

You're still allowed to criticize Democrats. And you're even allowed to criticize Barack Obama. But if your criticism smells like a partisan political attack designed to tear down our candidates and help our Republican opponents, we're likely to conclude that it is.

Believing or spreading certain right-wing smears about Senator Obama or Michelle Obama could earn you an immediate tombstone. Ignorance is not an excuse -- everyone on Democratic Underground should know better on this stuff. Some examples: The suggestion that Senator Obama is a Muslim; xeonophobic use of his middle name; spreading rumors about secret videotapes with racist rants. If you're acting like a Freeper or a "concern troll," we'll assume that you are one.

You may not post threats to vote third party, to vote McCain, to not vote, or to write-in a Democrat other than Barack Obama. As in 2004, we will permit some room for sincere expressions of ambivalence toward voting for the Democratic nominee. But we're not going to permit this website to be used for much beyond that. If it looks like you are trying to get people to withhold their votes from Senator Obama, then we're likely to conclude that that is your intent.

No more attacks against people based on the candidate they supported during the primaries. There are no more Clinton supporters, Edwards supporters, or Kucinich supporters on Democratic Underground -- at least not in the sense of supporting their candidacy for president. We are Democrats, and our opponents are John McCain and the Republican Party. So starting threads to attack Clinton supporters or Edwards supporters or Kucinich supporters makes no sense, and it is also counter-productive. Similarly, starting threads to attack Obama supporters would be pretty foolish and nonsensical.

No gratuitous rehashing of the primary fighting. We can't possibly give specific instructions about what is permitted or what is not. The Democratic presidential primary is recent history, and still very fresh in all of our minds, so it is inevitable that there will continue to be a number of discussions on Democratic Underground about it. But if you seem to be discussing the primary in order to inflame or divide our members, we will assume that that is your intent. This goes for people on BOTH SIDES of the former Clinton-Obama divide.

Don't trash the moderators. You all should know how this works by now. If you want the moderators to consider taking action on a post, the first thing you need to do is alert on it. No alert, no action. But more importantly, take a moment right now to re-familiarize yourself with the idea that the moderators are not always going to do your bidding. They arrive at decisions by consensus, and their collaborative process will not always produce the result you desire. If you believe they have truly screwed up then the proper procedure is to send a message to an administrator to see if you can get the decision overturned. Messages that don't contain threats or long passages all in capital letters are more likely to receive a positive hearing, but I'll be honest - in most cases you shouldn't be surprised if the administrator sides with the moderators' decision. What you should absolutely NOT do is start spamming the moderators with rude alerts or private messages, or start threads to slam them publicly. We have, and always will, take a very dim view of this kind of activity.

Have realistic expectations. This is a very active discussion forum filled with passionate, opinionated people. As such, there will always be plenty of robust disagreement. If you're expecting that from now on everyone will always agree with you, or that everyone will always say nice things about Democratic public figures you like -- particularly public figures who have always been controversial here -- then your expectations are not realistic.

I think the vast majority of DUers are relieved to have the Democratic primaries behind us, and are excited about the General Election contest ahead. It's time to look forward, not backward, and we hope that everyone here will do what is necessary to help unify our community, and help win the election in the fall.

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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 12:34 PM
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1. WooHoo. On to the White House we go!!!!!
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bobama Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 05:50 PM
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247. The Rest of the World says!
I don't know quite where to post this but I found this site the other day...

http://www.therestoftheworldsays.com /

And why does John McInane look like he is storing nuts for the winter in his cheeks?!?!

GoBama!
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MsSnooty2Shus Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 07:50 PM
Response to Reply #247
254. Indeed... We need to listen to the rest of the world
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/sep/10/use...

The world's verdict will be harsh if the US rejects the man it yearns forAn America that disdains Obama for his global support risks turning current anti-Bush feeling into something far worseComments ()


Jonathan Freedland The Guardian, Wednesday September 10 2008
Article history
The feeling is familiar. I had it four years ago and four years before that: a sinking feeling in the stomach. It's a kind of physical pessimism which says: "It's happening again. The Democrats are about to lose an election they should win - and it could not matter more."

In my head, I'm not as anxious for Barack Obama's chances as I was for John Kerry's in 2004 or Al Gore's in 2000. He is a better candidate than both put together, and all the empirical evidence says this year favours Democrats more than any since 1976. But still, I can't shake off the gloom.

Look at yesterday's opinion polls, which have John McCain either in a dead heat with Obama or narrowly ahead. Given the well-documented tendency of African-American candidates to perform better in polls than in elections - thanks to people who say they will vote for a black man but don't - this suggests Obama is now trailing badly. More troubling was the ABC News-Washington Post survey which found McCain ahead among white women by 53% to 41%. Two weeks ago, Obama had a 15% lead among women. There is only one explanation for that turnaround, and it was not McCain's tranquilliser of a convention speech: Obama's lead has been crushed by the Palin bounce.

So you can understand my pessimism. But it's now combined with a rising frustration. I watch as the Democrats stumble, uncertain how to take on Sarah Palin. Fight too hard, and the Republican machine, echoed by the ditto-heads in the conservative commentariat on talk radio and cable TV, will brand Democrats sexist, elitist snobs, patronising a small-town woman. Do nothing, and Palin's rise will continue unchecked, her novelty making even Obama look stale, her star power energising and motivating the Republican base.

So somehow Palin slips out of reach, no revelation - no matter how jaw-dropping or career-ending were it applied to a normal candidate - doing sufficient damage to slow her apparent march to power, dragging the charisma-deprived McCain behind her.

We know one of Palin's first acts as mayor of tiny Wasilla, Alaska was to ask the librarian the procedure for banning books. Oh, but that was a "rhetorical" question, says the McCain-Palin campaign. We know Palin is not telling the truth when she says she was against the notorious $400m "Bridge to Nowhere" project in Alaska - in fact, she campaigned for it - but she keeps repeating the claim anyway. She denounces the dipping of snouts in the Washington trough - but hired costly lobbyists to make sure Alaska got a bigger helping of federal dollars than any other state.

She claims to be a fiscal conservative, but left Wasilla saddled with debts it had never had before. She even seems to have claimed "per diem" allowances - taxpayers' money meant for out-of-town travel - when she was staying in her own house.

Yet somehow none of this is yet leaving a dent. The result is that a politician who conservative blogger Andrew Sullivan calls a "Christianist" - seeking to politicise Christianity the way Islamists politicise Islam - could soon be a heartbeat away from the presidency. Remember, this is a woman who once addressed a church congregation, saying of her work as governor - transport, policing and education - "really all of that stuff doesn't do any good if the people of Alaska's heart isn't right with God".

If Sarah Palin defies the conventional wisdom that says elections are determined by the top of the ticket, and somehow wins this for McCain, what will be the reaction? Yes, blue-state America will go into mourning once again, feeling estranged in its own country. A generation of young Americans - who back Obama in big numbers - will turn cynical, concluding that politics doesn't work after all. And, most depressing, many African-Americans will decide that if even Barack Obama - with all his conspicuous gifts - could not win, then no black man can ever be elected president.

But what of the rest of the world? This is the reaction I fear most. For Obama has stirred an excitement around the globe unmatched by any American politician in living memory. Polling in Germany, France, Britain and Russia shows that Obama would win by whopping majorities, with the pattern repeated in Africa, Asia, the Middle East and Latin America. If November 4 were a global ballot, Obama would win it handsomely. If the free world could choose its leader, it would be Barack Obama.

The crowd of 200,000 that rallied to hear him in Berlin in July did so not only because of his charisma, but also because they know he, like the majority of the world's population, opposed the Iraq war. McCain supported it, peddling the lie that Saddam was linked to 9/11. Non-Americans sense that Obama will not ride roughshod over the international system but will treat alliances and global institutions seriously: McCain wants to bypass the United Nations in favour of a US-friendly League of Democracies. McCain might talk a good game on climate change, but a repeated floor chant at the Republican convention was "Drill, baby, drill!", as if the solution to global warming were not a radical rethink of the US's entire energy system but more offshore oil rigs.

If Americans choose McCain, they will be turning their back on the rest of the world, choosing to show us four more years of the Bush-Cheney finger. And I predict a deeply unpleasant shift.

Until now, anti-Americanism has been exaggerated and much misunderstood: outside a leftist hardcore, it has mostly been anti-Bushism, opposition to this specific administration. But if McCain wins in November, that might well change. Suddenly Europeans and others will conclude that their dispute is with not only one ruling clique, but Americans themselves. For it will have been the American people, not the politicians, who will have passed up a once-in-a-generation chance for a fresh start - a fresh start the world is yearning for.

And the manner of that decision will matter, too. If it is deemed to have been about race - that Obama was rejected because of his colour - the world's verdict will be harsh. In that circumstance, Slate's Jacob Weisberg wrote recently, international opinion would conclude that "the United States had its day, but in the end couldn't put its own self-interest ahead of its crazy irrationality over race".

Even if it's not ethnic prejudice, but some other aspect of the culture wars, that proves decisive, the point still holds. For America to make a decision as grave as this one - while the planet boils and with the US fighting two wars - on the trivial basis that a hockey mom is likable and seems down to earth, would be to convey a lack of seriousness, a fleeing from reality, that does indeed suggest a nation in, to quote Weisberg, "historical decline". Let's not forget, McCain's campaign manager boasts that this election is "not about the issues."

Of course I know that even to mention Obama's support around the world is to hurt him. Incredibly, that large Berlin crowd damaged Obama at home, branding him the "candidate of Europe" and making him seem less of a patriotic American. But what does that say about today's America, that the world's esteem is now unwanted? If Americans reject Obama, they will be sending the clearest possible message to the rest of us - and, make no mistake, we shall hear it.

freedland@guardian.co.uk
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corkhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 12:35 PM
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2. WOO HOO! We're all on the same team now!!!
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TheDoorbellRang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 12:41 PM
Response to Reply #2
11. Yay! Onward and upward!
:thumbsup:
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dem75 Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 10:47 AM
Response to Reply #2
239. Obama to the Whte House
He'll make it!
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Starteddy Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 11:22 AM
Response to Reply #239
257. Looking for Obama Macro
Does know where I can find the link the awesome macro that says, "After 8 years of getting screwed it's about time we had a Big O"? I can't find it on here and I really want to foward it to some people. Thanks!
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Bush h8ter Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 06:59 PM
Response to Reply #2
252. finally
finally on the same team
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 12:36 PM
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3. Apparently, it also means there will be a whole bunch of goofy,
trying to be first, posts. :)
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 12:37 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. Hey, I came damn close.
:rofl:

Because I hang out in the lobby WAY too much.

:hi:
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 12:38 PM
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5. Will we be able to access any of the data posted in defunct GD:P through archive searches?
Quite a few threads I posted had useful info for debunking etc
THANKS!
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 12:38 PM
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6. Can we have some sort of ceremony...
For the first Tombstone handed out?
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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 06:21 PM
Response to Reply #6
119. I just celebrated that six off my ignore list had been
tombstoned. At least my ig list is much shorter now and will get shorter when I stop seeing angry resonses to posts I cannot see. Let there be peace. :hippie:
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Bush h8ter Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 07:02 PM
Response to Reply #6
253. actually...
My friends and I are going to have a celebration with these bush fire starters. Its a good product, and I can't wait to burn bushes face when he leaves!

www.toastbush.com
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 12:39 PM
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7. Thanks, Skinner. Can you let us know if there will be a post limit
in this GD/P?
I'm fired up for this election season, and happy to be sharing it all with DU.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 12:44 PM
Response to Reply #7
21. I'm pretty sure I saw something
in EarlG's GD transition thread about ..there would be no thread limits :)
:hi:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 12:52 PM
Response to Reply #21
36. I missed that, but it's now confirmed!
:woohoo:

:hi:
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 12:46 PM
Response to Reply #7
24. The three-thread limit is gone.
There is no limit. Hopefully we can keep it that way.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 12:50 PM
Response to Reply #24
32. Sweet.
Thanks
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 12:50 PM
Response to Reply #24
33. Thanks again! nt
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 01:07 PM
Response to Reply #24
50. YAY!
:headbang:
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Politics_Guy25 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 01:45 PM
Response to Reply #24
69. Those rules and guidelines sound awesome
Edited on Wed Jun-11-08 01:45 PM by RMP2008
Thanks Skinner. GD : P is shaping up to be an awesome forum.
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 12:39 PM
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8. Thank you.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 12:39 PM
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9. I'm Lerkfish and I approve your message.
:)
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 12:40 PM
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10. What about the 3 post limit?
Is it going away? It should.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 12:44 PM
Response to Reply #10
20. Agreed. No need for it anymore because no one will
be fighting. We're now one big happy family! :yoiks:
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 01:34 PM
Response to Reply #20
68. LOL.
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gblady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 12:42 PM
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12. Awwwww.....
it's a little baby forum....so cute!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 12:43 PM
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13. Very well written Skinner..
INspiring! Thank you.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 12:43 PM
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14. One question: behavior in DU Groups.
Recently I started checking out some of the "candidate supporter groups", because frankly I am puzzled by some of the things that were being posted in the old GDP (wanting to believe that certain posters are NOT trolls).

I stumbled across some behavior in one of the groups that I thought was pretty awful - stuff that (I thought) would have been deleted in GDP.

Will the new rules also extend to the candidate "supporter" groups? (The quotes are because all of the major candidates have themselves actually endorsed Obama, so their "supporters" are really no longer supporting that person, imo.)

Thanks for your efforts to keep this site a positive for electing Democrats.
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 12:49 PM
Response to Reply #14
29. Good question.
My post is relevant to the entire website -- not just to this forum. At this point I'm not sure what we're going to do with the supporters' groups. Hopefully they will not be a problem. But I suspect we may need to swing through and clean out some stuff to get them back on the right track.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 12:52 PM
Response to Reply #29
38. Thanks for your reply.
I hope you start that swing soon. :)
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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 03:25 PM
Response to Reply #29
99. I'd like to ask if you'd be willing to keep the supporter groups open but just now allow any
divisiveness in the groups. It is always nice to have a place to read information on a particular democrat that you enjoy following.
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MaraJade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 11:11 PM
Response to Reply #29
177. Silence them. . .
and allow Obama supporters to trash and make fun of them. Is that it?
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 12:44 PM
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15. Thank you, simply thank you. This place is still the best. nt
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 12:44 PM
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16. Did you hear Obama is a Musli...oops!
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 01:03 PM
Response to Reply #16
46. oh thank god
Edited on Wed Jun-11-08 01:03 PM by swampg8r
i was afraid he was black
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 03:00 AM
Response to Reply #46
146. I heard he has two black daughters
Sigh. This campaign is going to be so ugly. I'm glad to have DU to check in with now and then.

Hekate

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SusanaMontana41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 11:20 PM
Response to Reply #146
218. I sure hope you're wrong about the campaign
Nevertheless, the win will be glorious! Can you feel it, DU?
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 07:37 PM
Response to Reply #16
221. He's a whole grain cereal??!!
Who knew? :shrug:
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 12:44 PM
Response to Original message
17. I'm so very grateful for this forum, and for DU!
Thank you, Skinner...

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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 12:44 PM
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18. Very nice clarification of the rules. Thank you Skinner! I hope folks will refer to them
before making judgement or before posting. I know I will!
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 12:44 PM
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19. this is like a breath of fresh air...
:bounce:
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 12:45 PM
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22. Well, I was with you right up until "don't trash the moderators"
Can't we trash you just a little?
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 12:46 PM
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23. Please KEEP the 3 post limit.
It will help discourage the usual suspect residents from GD Primaries from acting out.

I have no doubt in my mind **some** will continue their anti-social behavior.

I've already seen this posted in GD:

:thumbsdown:

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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 02:20 PM
Response to Reply #23
84. There's no need for such censorship
as the person in your photo is no longer a Democratic candidate.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 02:33 PM
Response to Reply #84
86. Of course, Al Capone didn't feel there was a need to pay
his taxes.

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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 02:42 PM
Response to Reply #86
90. Capone is not a Dem candidate either.
Seriously, I don't think the rule is or was necessary. I understand that many believe it was, but my perception is that its purpose was mainly to stem the tide of unwelcome articles, and from my perspective, those posts are one of the things that makes DU so appealing.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 02:39 PM
Response to Reply #84
88. How does this help?
What does this kind of childish shit do to help Democrats get elected? What purpose does it serve? What is the motivation for posting the photo and then snarking at the Democrat that Obama says is to be admired and respected? I quote Skinner:

"if you seem to be discussing the primary in order to inflame or divide our members, we will assume that that is your intent. This goes for people on BOTH SIDES of the former Clinton-Obama divide."

We have a GE to fight. There are lots of childish and inane sites where you can continue your feud. I'm hoping that DU is not one of them. Grow up.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 02:44 PM
Response to Reply #88
91. There's no need to be rude.
nt
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 05:51 PM
Response to Reply #91
117. That was the point of my message. nt
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Andrea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 03:20 PM
Response to Reply #84
98. She's still a Democrat, though
There's no reason to allow a baseless personal attack, especially when it seems tailor-made to offend a lot of people. Just my opinion. We ARE hoping for a veto proof majority in the Senate and she IS a senator.
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MaraJade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 11:14 PM
Response to Reply #98
178. All too true. . .
Many have forgotten that Hillary does have friends on both sides of the
Senate eisle. One vote does mean a lot and if any sort of VOTER campaign
begins there could be trouble.

Even the Lion can be bearded in his den. We will get our way no matter what
the followers of certain people say or do.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 07:44 PM
Response to Reply #178
193. What is "your way", and why do you keep painting our nominee as some sort of beast?
NT!

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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 10:39 PM
Response to Reply #98
231. R.I.P.
:party: :party:
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fight4my3sons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 12:47 PM
Response to Original message
25. Thank you, Skinner!
k&r
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 12:48 PM
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26. Here's a gift from our friend Swamp Rat
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 02:15 PM
Response to Reply #26
82. ...and all I got was a Purple Heart. n/t
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 11:31 AM
Response to Reply #26
166. A purple heart! Yes! Can we have it as an avatar?
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 12:48 PM
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27. More than ready for this. More than ready. It's like Morning in America . . .
Ah yes, it's Morning in America.

(Wait a minute - that's not quite how I wanted to put it. . .)

:eyes:

Oh well, time to get after McSame.
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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 12:49 PM
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28. What about GD?
I assume discussion of the presidential race is now permitted in GD as well?
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 12:52 PM
Response to Reply #28
37. At the moment, we are letting people decide where to post.
We are not forcing people to post in one forum or the other. We reserve the right to decide otherwise at a later time if we feel it is necessary.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 12:49 PM
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30. kicking
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Vattel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 12:50 PM
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31. I doubt that there will be much of a problem
Obama is a fine candidate, McCain sucks, and almost everyone who posted in the GDP knows that.
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Hokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 12:51 PM
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34. Skinner, you need to make this one sticky
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #34
39. I will pin it later.
For now I want to let if float so more people will see it.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 12:58 PM
Response to Reply #39
40. Well, in that case, let's kick it back to the top.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 12:51 PM
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35. Thanks, Skinner!!
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 12:58 PM
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41. Skinner - aren't you glad you had a lot of parenting practice on DU before you had...
...your little one? See - by the time you had little Skinner, you were thoroughly trained!

;)

Don't say we never did nuttin fer ya!

*snicker*

Now, ON to the White House with our nominee!

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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 12:58 PM
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42. Thank you, Skinner!
"You are not permitted to use this message board to work for the defeat of the Democratic Party nominee for any political office. If you wish to work for the defeat of any Democratic candidate in any General Election, then you are welcome to use someone else's bandwidth on some other website."

:applause:
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Juan_de_la_Dem Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 12:59 PM
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43. "Barack Obama is now the only person on the planet who can stop John McCain ..."
He's got a pretty good group to help him. Thanks for this.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 01:05 PM
Response to Reply #43
48. Yeah,that kind of puts things in stark reality, doesn't it? n/t
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 12:59 PM
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44. Oh Happy Day!
Since Skinner washed...

Oh, when he washed...

When Skinner washed, he washed GD: P away! Oh happy day!








Great set of rules there, Skinner! I don't see how they could be misunderstood, so they should make the general election discussions far more intelligent than many of those we had during the primary season.

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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 01:01 PM
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45. Monkey
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 01:03 PM
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47. Thanks, Skinner....
just a couple of questions...
1) Will we be able to keep our avatars? I am now fully ready to support Senator Obama, but I also have a healthy admiration and respect for what Senator Clinton has given to the Democratic Party.

2) You mentioned not bashing the former supporters of Clinton, Kucinich, Edwards, etc. ..Does that extend to gratuitous bashing of the former candidates as well?
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 01:22 PM
Response to Reply #47
60. As long as we offer a particular avatar, you can use it.
Heck, we still have Sharpton 2004 avatars.

As for gratuitous bashing of former candidates, I guess it depends on one's opinion of "gratuitous." We have always permitted our members a large amount of leeway to criticize public figures, including high-profile Democrats. People like Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and yes, Hillary Clinton, have all taken a lot of heat on this website in the past -- even when none was running for president. I think it is fair to assume that they will continue to take heat here, particularly when any of them is in the news.

But there are limits. If someone seems to have a bug up their backside about Hillary Clinton, and obsessively attacks her even when there does not seem to be any sort of provocation, that would be a problem and we would do something about it. We do not want people endlessly re-hashing the primaries.
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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 03:10 PM
Response to Reply #60
95. Ugh.
Get ready for gratuitous bashing of Senator Clinton, then. I was really hoping the protection of Obama would extend to Clinton, at least until the most virulent of her detractors got distracted by something else. It makes me ill to have to read the abuse people post on here about here. As far as I'm concerned, it's a feminist issue as well as simple respect.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 07:44 PM
Response to Reply #95
129. Lies aren't a gender issue.
NT!

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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 08:09 PM
Response to Reply #129
133. What the fuck does that mean?
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 09:44 PM
Response to Reply #133
136. That some of the criticism of clinton isn't sexist - criticizing her when she lied wasn't.
Sorry, could have been clearer I suppose.

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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 07:58 AM
Response to Reply #136
155. You're just going to keep going, aren't you?
Now that your hate and abuse is admin-sponsored.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 12:21 PM
Response to Reply #155
168. "admin-sponsored"
:eyes:
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MaraJade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 11:16 PM
Response to Reply #155
179. All too true. . .
Hillary will be BASHED AND BASHED AND TRASHED here and the mods will allow it
because she isn't the nominee.

Sad, sad, sad!!!

All I have to say is Obama had better be perfect. No mistakes at all. No mistakes.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 07:09 PM
Response to Reply #155
188. Telling the truth about clinton's video-verified lies isn't hate or abuse.
NT!

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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 03:54 PM
Response to Reply #188
198. Not ever being able to let go IS hate
n/t
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 11:43 PM
Response to Reply #198
199. Not wanting to let lies slip by is hardly hate.
You can keep yammering on and insisting it is, but it's not.

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StevieM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-02-08 03:35 PM
Response to Reply #188
200. It's funny how all these lies came out at the same exact time. All these so-called examples of
Hillary getting caught in a lie, one after another, happened within a two-week span, right after Obama lost TX and OH. We didn't know about this problem when she was in the White House. Or for her first term in the Senate. Or during the first year and two months of her presidential campaign. All of a sudden we learend about the problem--and many manifestations of it--in March 08. That seems statistically unlikely. Almost like a narrative was very carefully being cultivated.

What about Obama's lie that his father was brought to the US in an airlift by the Kennedys? Does that still anger you?

Of course not. The rules only apply if you're Hillary.

Steve
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 05:21 PM
Response to Reply #188
202. Just let it go. It is no longer an issue. That's the point.
It's good for you and for everyone else if you just let go.

My plan is to express myself on issues whether I agree or disagree with Obama, but support Obama as a candidate and a person. Supporting Obama does not mean I don't still prefer my own primary choice. Obama will make a great president. That is all that matters.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 09:22 AM
Response to Reply #95
157. If you go out of your way to inflame those who fully support Obama, anticipate resulting flames.
Logical consequences.
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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:01 AM
Response to Reply #157
158. Stop stalking me.
Haven't you got anything better to do?
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:18 AM
Response to Reply #158
160. Stalking? You flatter yourself.
You've posted on 22 threads in the past day. You and I have interacted on two, and you initiated the discussion on the first. That doesn't quite qualify as stalking.

Let's consider one thread you initiated today:

I'm posting here exclusively, before I get myself banned.

The fucking fuckheads are still going at it with their Hillary hate in the new GDP even though it was supposed to end after the primaries, and yet I'M the one getting posts deleted. I'm staying out of there. I'll be lounge-only for a while, probably til after November.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


This leaves the impression that the problem is not me.
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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:19 AM
Response to Reply #160
161. So, searching my username and posting lounge threads here isn't stalking?
You need a hobby.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:25 AM
Response to Reply #161
162. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
MaraJade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 11:49 PM
Response to Reply #158
182. Don't worry. . .{brandishes fire extinguisher}
I'll put your flames out. You are not alone. We have to get together and formulate a
plan whereby the tough questions get asked.

We need to be reassured that someone HEARS US. Obama supporters DON'T, but we must make sure
that OBAMA DOES. He needs to know that we are here and are to be reckoned with or else.
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MaraJade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 11:09 PM
Response to Reply #95
176. I agree. . .
I've already seen posts that state that the women drifting to Obama were never really
Clinton supporters. No credit at all was given to Hillary for encouraging them to support
Obama. I've seen GLEE and obscene GLOATING over Clinton suppporters turning to Obama
because Hillary said they should, and Obama people making fun of them and claiming a mandate
instead of expressing their gratitude over Hillary's encouragement of these people.

The behavior here is not gracious, but DISGUSTING!

When are things going to be fair here? It seems that mods are all Obama supporters and they
are glad to see Hillary supporters taken for granted and trashed over and over again! This will
destroy the Democratic Party. There seems to be no "big tent" here; all who will vote for
Obama with noses held are made fun of and stomped on again and again. What is going on here?
Will no one stop this? There should be a rule that when Hillary supporters agree to vote Obama,
SHE gets the credit. Nothing else is fair!!!

I am simply miserable about this. I feel like a THIRD class citizen, only 4/5ths of a person.

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SaveAmerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 01:07 PM
Response to Original message
49. Hallelujah! Everyone work hard to bring your Democratic friends together in your local dem parties,
too. It's been harsh but I guess all families have to have bumps in the road to work through together, come out stronger in the long run.
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lightningandsnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 01:07 PM
Response to Original message
51. Skinner is made of awesome!
Woot!
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 01:08 PM
Response to Original message
52. only one question sir
if you decide on a 3 post rule, will any posts made before that ruling count aginst us, or will we at that point start counting?
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 01:10 PM
Response to Original message
53. K & R'd
Thanks.

:kick:
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 01:10 PM
Response to Original message
54. Whooot! Well done Skinner.
:woohoo:
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 01:11 PM
Response to Original message
55. Skinner, what are your plans for handling the mountains of SPAM
Edited on Wed Jun-11-08 01:11 PM by kestrel91316
that is designed to clog up GDP (and DU in general) and stifle legitimate discourse? You know, the crap that belongs in the Lounge (at best) but always seems to wind up here??
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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 01:12 PM
Response to Original message
56. Kick!
For Skinner

and because that's what we're going to do to the Republicans and John McCain's ass this year!


:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:

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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 01:13 PM
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57. Very nicely done
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 01:15 PM
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58. This post is too long
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 01:19 PM
Response to Original message
59. What about the congressional elections?
Where is the best place to discuss them? 470 seats to be filled the same day as the presidential election? (435 House - 35 Senate).

The presidency is important but without a working and dependable majority in Congress .............?
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #59
62. I would suggest General Discussion.
But you can post in GDP if you want to. At this point we aren't forcing people to put threads in a particular place.
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MaraJade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 11:55 PM
Response to Reply #59
183. > . . . .Waiting to see how many who bashed her and trashed her
who are supporting Obama actively now suddenly support Hillary for reelection in 2010.

:eyes:

Rest assured that I will be keeping score. I won't forget. . .

If you bashed the hell out of Hillary in 2008, please don't support her reelection to the
Senate in 2010. . .

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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 01:24 PM
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61. It's too clean
I don't like it ;)

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southern_belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 01:27 PM
Response to Original message
63. Thanks, Skinner!
:hi:
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 01:29 PM
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64. Acknowledged recommended and Thanks... well done! N/T
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marlakay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 01:29 PM
Response to Original message
65. Thanks glad it is over
and we can move on.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 01:29 PM
Response to Original message
66. Any chance of getting that fist-bump emoticon someone post made officially part of DU?
Maybe with call-sign :bump: or :dap: or something?
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 01:32 PM
Response to Original message
67. MoveOn.org
Let's defeat McInsane! :grouphug:
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NorthAmerican Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 01:47 PM
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70. Thanks! n/t
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 01:47 PM
Response to Original message
71. Skinner, one thing you left out. GD:P archives
If you want to search for post in the GD :Primaries just search the GD :Presidential. GD :Primaries is not gone it has just been renamed. Correct?
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 01:48 PM
Response to Reply #71
72. That is correct.
This is the same forum as GD: Politics and GD: Primaries. The archives are all the same.
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 01:48 PM
Response to Reply #71
73. Now that was an unexpected result....
:P
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 10:22 PM
Response to Reply #73
141. Stop sticking your tongue out at us! Yes, I found out too... you have to check off
that you DO NOT wish to use emotions in your message.

That check off comes up over the compose MESSAGE box.

Took me about three years to understand it!

Cordially,

Radio Lady in Oregon
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 01:51 PM
Response to Original message
74. Many heartfelt thanks to you
the other admins and the mods. I didn't think it could be done. The members, for the most part, began to make the transition before it was forced, and that is a very, very good sign.
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 02:00 PM
Response to Original message
75. THANK YOU!!!!
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 02:01 PM
Response to Original message
76. Can we remind folks that Cindy Sheehan is a 3rd party candidate
I've always admired Cindy for the work she has done but she's running as a 3rd party candidate and that falls under the 3rd point that Skinner mentioned

Using this message board to work for the defeat of any Democratic Party nominee for any political office: Not permitted.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 06:57 PM
Response to Reply #76
123. See post 101 and the reply. He pretty much slaps advocating for her candidacy outta the park, nt
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 05:25 AM
Response to Reply #76
206. And the same is true for Cynthia Mckinney! She is a third
party as well and we do NOT need to be supporting her in any way.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 02:02 PM
Response to Original message
77. Thank you, thank you, thank you. My headache is already going away. nt
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DUlover2909 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 02:07 PM
Response to Original message
78. Obama: The only person on the planet that can stop the pukes.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 02:09 PM
Response to Original message
79. Well Done I Say
Well done indeed.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 02:09 PM
Response to Original message
80. Can't be more clearer than this;
Highly inflammatory or divisive attacks that echo the tone or substance of our political opponents are not welcome here.

and this;

You are not permitted to use this message board to work for the defeat of the Democratic Party nominee for any political office. If you wish to work for the defeat of any Democratic candidate in any General Election, then you are welcome to use someone else's bandwidth on some other website.

you have been warned...


:think:
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 04:29 PM
Response to Reply #80
101. Does this rule also apply to the Bush enabler Nancy Pelosi?
Re You are not permitted to use this message board to work for the defeat of the Democratic Party nominee for any political office. If you wish to work for the defeat of any Democratic candidate in any General Election, then you are welcome to use someone else's bandwidth on some other website.

I've been a loyal Democrat my entire life, and Ms. Impeachment-is-off-the-table is the one exception I'd be tempted to make. But she *IS* the Democratic candidate for her district, much as I wish it had turned out otherwise. And she does have a challenger.
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 05:25 PM
Response to Reply #101
112. I am not familiar with this "Bush enabler Nancy Pelosi."
If you are referring to the Speaker of the House, the answer is yes, the rule applies to her, too.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 06:58 PM
Response to Reply #112
124. Excellent. Again I must thank you. nt
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 07:45 PM
Response to Reply #112
130. And yet, above you indicated that she's taken heat and that's not off limits.
Edited on Wed Jun-11-08 07:48 PM by Zhade
Kind of unclear.

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canucksawbones Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 10:09 PM
Response to Reply #130
137. she's not off limits
but working to defeat her by supporting a 3rd party candidate is off limits

GK
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 07:12 PM
Response to Reply #137
189. Ah, yes, that makes sense. Thanks for clarifying!
NT!

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MaraJade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 11:59 PM
Response to Reply #80
184. But I will be posting the Hard Questions that Obama refuses to answer. . .
and that Working People and Older Folks want to know the answers to. I fully expect to be
kicked out for asking them.

I am just waiting to see. . .
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 02:13 PM
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81. AWESOME!!!
Drawing the line Skinner I like it!

Sadly I know I will likely need to hit the alert a few times before next week. Tho once those are gone that is that.

Most of the supporters of other candidates have not put the primary behind them. To the assholes who have not I say ahead of time. PLEASE STOP and if that does not work then enjoy the Pizza!
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 02:16 PM
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83. Duly noted. Now about the 2004 primaries ..... :)
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pearl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 02:29 PM
Response to Reply #83
85. Dear DU Friends
I must confess I didn't come around that much when things got wild but then again, although I've been around since the beginning 2001 I haven't posted that much.
love you all.

"Pray for the dead and fight like hell for the living" Mother Jones
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 02:36 PM
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87. Would you please pin this up for a few days?
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 02:42 PM
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89. I was just going to ask the same thing.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 02:50 PM
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92. thank you Skinner
and thanks to the other admin folks and all the mods.

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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 02:55 PM
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93. K&R
:kick:
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 03:09 PM
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94. Skinner, you and your team are wise beyond your years. Thanks.
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 03:12 PM
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96. Clear and cleansing post, Skinner, thanks!
:kick:

DemEx
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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 03:15 PM
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97. Yippee!! All right.. McFuck and ReFucks here we come!!!
Be scaaared... Very scaaarred!!!
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demokatgurrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 03:51 PM
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100. Thanks; great post, and I'm glad to be here. n/t
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trickyguy Donating Member (461 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 04:56 PM
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102. Extremely glad to be involved with DU in this General Election phase.
Have to admit that national politics was often on the sidelines with me.

Mostly because I was involved with gay politics and gay issues.

And then I met some friends who turned me on to Howard Dean. And John Kerry. And Barack Obama.

Then the same friends suggested I visit DU. And I was hooked.

Really glad to be here. B-)
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 05:02 PM
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103. Outstanding.
Thank you!

:toast:
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 05:02 PM
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104. kick for sanity n/t
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Hatchling Donating Member (968 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 05:06 PM
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105. Kick n/t
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 05:08 PM
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106. cool
Thanks, Skinner. :)
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 05:10 PM
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107. K and R
:kick:
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 05:12 PM
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108. Sincere question
has arisen in one of the groups. What about posting "psychic" predictions or "astrology" that seems to indicate bad news for Obama and good news for someone else? Wouldn't that be along the lines of "concerned troll"? I hate to see this stuff allowed under guise of psychic phenomena because it is the VERY SAME stuff you read on the anti-Obama sites.

As for Skinner, would he allow a website to be posted about a "vision" that McCain would win because something "bad" would happen or come to light about the Democratic nominee?
...
Obama is now ego centered instead of solution driven. He is all talk and lacks a real game plan. You will hear this in his upcoming interviews.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 05:57 PM
Response to Reply #108
203. Just in case it arises, my psychic self says Obama will win.
Besides, he is a Leo. How can he lose?

Most important, he is just so good looking!!! That smile will win over the most hardened Republican. Just give it time. Obama will win.

I am an Edwards supporter. But Obama will win in November.
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Bush h8ter Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 06:58 PM
Response to Reply #203
251. leo
leo the lion will get there!
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Kaylee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 05:16 PM
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109. I've cleared out my ignore list and I'm ready to go...
Obama 08!
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garthranzz Donating Member (983 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 05:18 PM
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110. If all posts were so well written and so well reasoned, DU would be...
required reading for my Writing classes.

As it is, I often use excerpts.


Thank you, DU. Thank you, Skinner.


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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 05:21 PM
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111. Awesome. Thanks, Skinner. nt
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 05:26 PM
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113. BTW...."Presidential?"
WTH is that? What happened to GD: GE?

Come on, let's get some diction here. :P
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 06:01 PM
Response to Reply #113
118. Seconded.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 05:37 PM
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114. K & R
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RTBerry Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 05:43 PM
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115. Thank you.
n/t
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Shoelace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 05:50 PM
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116. Phew! Now I can post all the McInsane info I've been saving
thanks Skinner, nobody would have paid attention before but now, heh, heh - watch out McLame!!




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liberaldem4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 06:32 PM
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120. K&R!!
:hi: :kick:
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 06:33 PM
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121. Sounds good!
:thumbsup:
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Snarkoleptic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 06:53 PM
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122. UNITY!
On to the GE!
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curious one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 07:22 PM
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125. Thanks, it's bout time to move forward to GE.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 07:37 PM
Response to Original message
126. I loved reading this - it was well written
I am hopeful that we have the next president of the United States of America before us as our nominee!

GOBAMA!

New Obama Items & Anti-Bush/McSame Items!
www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 07:39 PM
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127. Thank you, and an apology.
Yesterday I posted that Pelosi is a Republican, judging from her destruction of any and all impeachment proceedings and the damage that has been done as a result of not having outsted the wrong-doers.

I believe this but it is not constructive criticism. I'll amend my tone from now on.

Thank you for the great website and the incredible care that goes into it.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 07:41 PM
Response to Reply #127
128. do you think she'll stay out of the way of the impeachment precedings
or will she interject that it's a 'distraction' from the election (as if elections should supersede the responsibilities of the Congress *COUGH*)


New Obama & Anti-Bush/McSame Items!
www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 07:47 PM
Response to Reply #127
131. She's not a Republican, just a coward for abdicating her sworn duty to hold criminals accountable.
NT!

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MaraJade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 11:44 PM
Response to Reply #127
180. This nation is in DEEP TROUBLE
The sort of trouble that hasn't been faced since the times of the Great Depression.
A "perfect storm" of disaster has formed that, if untended, will take us right into
third world status. We need, NOT A TALKER AND A LOVER, but a STRONG FIGHTER, who will rescue us
from the clutches of Wall Street and Corporate America. We need an FDR or a Harry Truman, for whom all
bucks stop in the Oval Office. We need a completely NEW DEAL. Now is not the time for conciliation
with the opposers of the American people. Talking and Compromise with these brigands will result in utter disaster.

Impeaching Bush is a total waste of time. There should be investigations of the crimes committed by the
Bush Administration, but we need to be concentrating on the current
energy and financial crises, which are dragging the entire economy down and which will reach a
cresendo this winter. If the Congress is busy
worrying about impeaching the outgoing or former pResident (he'll be gone by then), then precious
time will be wasted with that rather than solving the problems that the WORKING CLASS
(not college-educated class) have. (Rest assured that the current Congress will never vote to
impeach the Shrub.)

If the problems of the blue collar are not solved (job losses to Mexico or China, and the continuing
prevalence of nothing but lousy minimum wage work with no benefits--including the Low Minimum Wage),
if the problems with the kitchen table issues of working people and the older folks (who finance the lives
of their college age children) are not solved, if healthcare issues are not solved, then the honeymoon with Obama will be
totally over by this time next year and all hell will break loose. The people need to see something concrete.

I am tired of being told to "hope and come together." "Where's the beef?" There'd better be beef or else.

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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 07:32 PM
Response to Reply #180
190. I'd happily trade impeachment for b*s* going to the Hague. It's trading up!
NT!

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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 07:45 PM
Response to Reply #180
222. Is this a good time to ask...
"or else" what?

Probably not.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 07:53 PM
Response to Original message
132. "Barack Obama is now the only person on the planet who can stop John McCain..."
Well said.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 08:10 PM
Response to Original message
134. Can we give discreet encouragement to Barr as a spoiler? nt
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 05:37 AM
Response to Reply #134
150. Absolutely.
In fact, it's required.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 08:48 PM
Response to Original message
135. K & R & Impeach two too is overdue! End the Junta!
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concerned canadian Donating Member (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 10:13 PM
Response to Original message
138. well done. well said well cleansed

appreciative, just to be here. It really does keep getting better. :toast:
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 05:27 AM
Response to Reply #138
149. fascinating. absolutely fascinating.
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penndragon69 Donating Member (409 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 10:13 PM
Response to Original message
139. The future of D.U ?
Well for one thing, after we achieve viable majorities in both houses,
this will cease to be an underground movement.

We will once again walk freely in the light of reason and compassion,
something that America has long missed since the original repugnican coup.

Only the freeper trolls will need to bury themselves to fume and plot their vile
spittle for a day when they think people have become stupid enough to listen to their
rants and moans again.

DIE freepers,DIE !

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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 10:16 PM
Response to Original message
140. k&r
I put a couple of pieces of bologna in my shoes, and now I FEEL funny.
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 10:26 PM
Response to Original message
142. HEY SKINNER! Can you add these smileys?
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 05:38 AM
Response to Reply #142
151. Those are good.
I'll see if Elad can add them in.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 12:53 PM
Response to Reply #151
170. Credit for those goes to DUers "JoeIsOneOfUs" and "jody".
To wit: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

"JoeIs" had the original idea that DU could use a fist-bump smiley,
and "jody" was the genius who suggested that it could be accomplished
by removing the beer mugs from these guys: :toast:


Richard
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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 11:25 PM
Response to Original message
143. I Salute you Sir!!
Thank you very much, for all that you guys do. :patriot: DC
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gtar100 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 01:35 AM
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144. Wow! Rules with wisdom and understanding
Besides agreeing with you, I'm very impressed on the general tone of all the guidelines and rules. Now if only schools, towns, and businesses could have this kind of understanding for the spirit of laws, rules, and regulations. I know I'm on a tangent, but the clarity in and of itself is refreshing.
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 02:04 AM
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145. Yay! I'm glad the transitional period is over
Edited on Thu Jun-12-08 02:06 AM by Progs Rock
because now we won't have fellow DUers sanctimoniously posting every two minutes how dare we take advantage of the transitional period from the moment it started throughout the entire period. ;-)
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 04:07 AM
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147. Thanks for the heads up, and for spelling everything out so elequently. On to winning in Nov.!! ~nt~
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styersc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 05:14 AM
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148. Must the moderators be reminded that the Democratic Party has
Edited on Thu Jun-12-08 05:24 AM by styersc
always been a coalition of a variety of disparate peoples and views many of which hold minority status that are only able to thrive and gain representation through the coalition. Has the coalition been replaced by a cult of personality?

Recently,several elected and aspiring Democrats have intentionally and openly distanced themselves from Obama as too far left. These DEMOCRATS know that many of the attributes of the Obama campaign will threaten their seats and possibly turn the seat over to an even more conservative REPUBLICAN. This page cheered the election of a Democrat in a conservative district in Mississippi this summer without discussing how he won the seat by distancing himself from Obama? Would and are these DEMOCRATS disallowed to post on this board?

Will these rules and tenor be removed the day after the election or on Jan 20 or will posters never be allowed to disapprove of Obama policies?

All of the sudden, the following text, taken from the most recent banner article on the front page of DU comes to mind:



London police have announced a ban on anti-war campaigners hoping to protest against President George Bush's visit to Downing Street this Sunday. The Whitehall ban has been immediately condemned as a "totalitarian act" by the playwright Harold Pinter, while Stop the War organisers are urging people to defy it and to demonstrate nearby in Parliament Square.

"In what is supposed to be a free country the Stop the War Coalition has every right to express its views peacefully and openly. This ban is outrageous and makes the term 'democracy' laughable," Pinter said today.

Lindsey German, a leader of the Stop the War Coalition, said: "It seems that when George W Bush visits this country traditional rights of assembly are to be removed from the people. We are calling on those who care for our democratic rights to come to Parliament Square at 5pm on Sunday 15 June. Some of those who signed statements accusing Bush of war crimes will be leading this protest.

"George Bush has been dictating British foreign policy for many years. Now it appears his security services are determining our rights of protest. This is a disgrace and we will challenge the ban."
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 05:41 AM
Response to Reply #148
152. "Will posters never be allowed to disapprove of Obama policies?"
I think, perhaps, you did not read my OP very carefully. Please go back and re-read it.
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RedLetterRev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 05:42 AM
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153. Thanks, Skinner
Actual moderation -- what a refreshing concept! That's what drew me back from KA. It's a whole lot easier to get information when the racket-level is a lot lower. It's one thing to be able to read and post -- it's a whole lot more pleasurable when the mods and supporters work together to keep the site on track. Everyone's efforts and teamwork are really appreciated. :toast:
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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 06:38 AM
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154. So can we get to the topic of GETTING EVERYONE REGISTERED
and the fear is the polls..... and the ID laws.....
so.... it is time for WE famous Obama GRASSROOTS to take to the neighborhoods with REGISTRATION CARDS... and instructions on how to VOTE BY MAIL, so those who would be questioned at the POLL won't have to go through that...

.....and this is true for neighborhoods "of color" where in the past the polling places are SPARCE... MOVED... MANNED BY HITLERYOUTH...

---------first issue..... I offered my 3 sons $300 in "New York Lottery Tickets"..... to register and vote.....
they bring the proof.... I hand out the tickets....
WHO they vote for is their business...... THAT THEY LEARN TO VOTE is my GOAL

I know.... but I enjoy them seeing that I am involved.... one has gotten so interested from this that he works a DNC booth

PLEASE GET YOUR NEW 18-year-olds REGISTERED AND IN THE PROCESS ! ! !
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 09:19 AM
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156. Why do you hate America?
:evilgrin:
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CaptJasHook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:18 AM
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159. K&R
Finally!
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:25 AM
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163. K&R
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:38 AM
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164. This confuses me.

Believing or spreading certain right-wing smears about Senator Obama or Michelle Obama could earn you an immediate tombstone


Spreading, I totally get and agree with. But "believing?" It seems both pointless and a little scary to be told that we're not permitted to *believe* something or not. I mean, how would that ever be enforced?

Nit-picking? Perhaps. But I'm a stickler for details like that.
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toadzilla Donating Member (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 11:28 AM
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165. three cheers for unity!
yay!

yay!

yay!
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MaraJade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:01 AM
Response to Reply #165
185. Unity?
It's just marching in lockstep, that's all.

We will march in lockstep to a certain point. But if OUR issues are ignored, REVOLUTION.
Nuff Said!
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 07:33 PM
Response to Reply #185
191. Your issues are our issues, so I think you'd find plenty of people on your side.
NT!

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 11:32 AM
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167. (Sigh of Relief.) Thank you.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 12:25 PM
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169. 24 hours in and the forum has been much more sedate...and useful.
Thanks for the stuff you guys do to keep the site cool. The primary is always a tough time, and I know you guys have taken a lot of abuse from both sides. I appreciate the level headedness you guys have shown. :thumbsup:
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 01:04 PM
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171. Will the threads still be hide-able?
Wondering what to expect on Latest and Greatest pages.

-Hoot
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LiberalLovinLug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 03:29 PM
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172. I'm still in shock from the campaign
As someone who has gone from an admirer of Hillary Clinton to someone appalled at the behavior by her 'kitchen sink' campaign, I really really really want an open discussion on why her negative tactics did not work. It's an interesting topic. And also one that the Democrats need to eventually discuss.

I believe that the method of her, her husband and Ferraro's jabs at Obama's race (while highlighting hers), religion ("As far as I know" he's not a Muslim), his experience level (putting him beneath any-American-can walk-down-many-Bahgdad-street McCain), floating the he-might-be-assassinated idea, etc etc etc.. did her in. I am still steaming from her bald-faced shameful behavior, and worse the threats to the winning of the GE by toying with the idea of carrying this mess up to the convention, and I am equally baffled by the faux anger from Hillary fanatics that it wasn't that negative strategy that lost the day, but sexism.
Not from the Obama campaign.

But those same smear tactics work for the Repukes, whether against Dems or fellow Repukes. It worked against McCain in 2000, and it worked against Gore and Kerry (at least enough to steal the election)

So I think it is interesting that Penn or others were wrong to encourage this type of 'proven' Rovian methodology in a Dem on Dem contest.

I believe that the reason it did not work was that Democrats are smarter, and less prone to be swayed by reactionary innuendo and will actually do research, and go to places like DU, before coming to conclusions. The same thing that works on lock-step Conservatives does not work on free-thinking Liberals. And I think that there should be a great celebration in our community - not an Obama defeats Hillary party, but one where folks here can take great pride in the fact that a mostly positive campaign won out against a more negative one. It also raises the possibility of Obama winning over the small r republicans and independents without stooping to the gutter. This is great news!

Anyways, my point is that I understand that this type of talk might be now disallowed on DU. Is it? I was hoping for a forum to break down what went right for Obama and wrong for Hillary and the ways to heal the fracturing of the party as a way to learn for the future. Will there be some place, in some dark corner somewhere on this board, where those of us who are interested in discussing the strategies involved can go to? I know it won't be pretty though and I understand if you might want to nix the idea.I understand your need to move on but this campaign was rough on the Democratic party, isn't talking about it, even shouting about it, working through it, ultimately therapeutic? Personally I am still in shock at how this campaign went down, it is hard to pretend that everything is now water under the bridge.


That said, I'll respect the new rules.
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MaraJade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:02 AM
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186. There were no negative tactics. . .
Please leave this alone. You keep on harping at your peril.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 07:43 PM
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192. I think people don't like being lied to - at least when there's no denying the lies.
Negative tactics like clinton's race-baiting don't go over well, either.

My suspicion is that analyzing what actually happened will lead to too much infighting again (even though most of the lying and/or delusional pro-clinton dead-enders are being banned, woohoo).

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Athens30603 Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 05:06 PM
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173. here, here!
Very good standards, DU! One question, though: what is a "concern troll"?
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 07:52 PM
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174. Thank god that three post flop is gone!!
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danielet Donating Member (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 05:39 PM
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175. This election is life or death for America--too big to leave to spin-pros
Whether Obama wins or loses, a lot of Spin-Pros will get payed the same-- enough to keep them going to the next election campaign of someone else. But for a lot of us who have been a part of America's inner and outer wars, NOW, this Fall, is life or death. So one can expect our presentations to be a bit more stark because we count the seconds which we volunteered to fill with raising steps to the heights of Obama's victory much more intensely than those for whom this is a job. I am not seeking an Obama victory because I know Obama personally and want him as President I never met the man; I am devoting myself to his victory because I think I know America well and know that it needs Obama desperately if it is to survive as the America of the 60s to which I had committed my youth.

Today, the media is full of Obama's problems with the WHITE this or WHITE that. One would get the impression that Americans do not want a BLACK MAN in the WHITE HOUSE. But delve only a little further and you find that THESE SAME WHITES WHO DON'T WANT *THIS* BLACK MAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE BECAUSE HE IS BLACK, were totally enthusiastic for another BLACK MAN-- Colin Powell-- to be the A BLACK PRESIDENT IN THE WHITE HOUSE....So the issue is not "BLACK" but what "BLACK" symbolizes......It can be found that anti-BLACK is really a symptom of a disease, not the disease RACISM in the case of most Americans.

It is one thing to be BRAVE and vote into the White House the first Black American President, but it is totally another thing to vote in a BLACK MAN INTO THE WHITE HOUSE when you've spent eight years scared to death and feeling helpless in the face of a mysterious monster that can get us anytime but we can't seem to be able to destroy: AL QAEDA....This squashing of your will, this sense of impotence is what the Republicans want to keep making you feel so that you will only put in the White House a standard White American Hero President.

But there are questions about how much of a hero this WHITE candidate really was and how much good he will go for America-- indeed how bad he can be for America. BUT WE CAN'T DEAL WITH THESE QUESTIONS BECAUSE A FEARFUL SENSE OF IMPOTENCE SINCE 9/11 HAS BEEN CULTIVATED INTO AMERICANS AND THAT SENSE OF FEAR HAS BEEN MOLDED INTO A SYMPTOM OF RACIAL UNCERTAINTY THAT WAS NEVER THERE BEFORE.

I HOPE DEMOCRATS RECOGNIZE THAT IT MUST BE CONFRONTED. I SEE THAT THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN IS PUTTING FORWARD A FIGHTING BACK BLOG SO IT CAN RETORT AGAINST THESE HORRIBLE EFFORTS.



I PLEDGE MY FULL SUPPORT AND WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT-- WHILE I DO NOT SIMPLY BECOME A "GO-FOR" FOR THE SPIN-PROS-- I AM OUT THERE EVERY DAY TRYING TO REASSURE AMERICANS THAT THEY NEED NOT BE AFRAID BECAUSE THE MONSTER, AL QAEDA, HAS SPENT ITSELF, SO THEY ARE NOT IMPOTENT, NOT HELPLESS BUT ARE AMERICANS THAT CAN *CHANGE* THIS FRIGHTENED AND EXPLOITED LAND BY COURAGEOUSLY SUPPORTING SENATOR OBAMA.

I KNOW AMERICANS...THEY ARE *NOT* RACIST, BUT THEY ARE AFRAID WHEN THEY ARE HIT BY SOMETHING THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND....9/11 IS SOMETHING THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND BECAUSE THEY WERE EXPLOITED BY LIES. THEY WERE NOT TOLD THAT 9/11 WOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED HAD WE OBEYED THE RULES PASSED IN THE 1970S TO MAKE THE PILOT'S CABIN IMPENETRABLE. So. the suicide terrorists to be, flying over and over again coast to coast, discovered that the pilot's cabin door is ALWAYS open. Finally, on 9/11, they decided to exploit this violation of the rules.



BUT TO HIDE THE CULPABILITY OF THE AIRLINES, BUSH PREFERRED TO TELL US THAT AL QAEDA IS SO SMART, NOT THAT WE ARE DUMB BECAUSE WE NEVER LEARNED OUR LESSON FROM THE 1970S SKYJACKS.

So tell people that they are not helpless that those who ruled them for eight years were liars manipulating people's fears so they could start going after binLaden in Afghanistan, only to switch to Iraq and say that getting bin Laden is unimportant.

AS A RESULT OF ALL THIS MUMBO-JUMBO, BAIT-AND-SWITCH, PEOPLE CAME TO FEEL INCOMPETENT IMPOTENT AND FULL OF FEAR. THAT FEAR WILL BE TRANSFORMED INTO A RACISM THAT WAS NEVER THERE BY THE REPUBLICAN ALCHEMISTS....YOU CAN'T LET THAT HAPPEN, BECAUSE IF OBAMA LOSES, YOUR CHILDREN WILL INHERIT AN AMERICA OF 1861, WHEN BLACK AMERICANS WERE A 3/5 PERSON BEFORE THE LAW. AND THE WHITES WILL BE EQUALLY EXPLOITED BY THE SHYSTER ENTREPRENEURS OF GW BUSH (entrepreneur is French for the TAKER in BETWEEN who takes from both sides and runs, it's a fancy word for hustler).

I'M FOR OBAMA BECAUSE I BELIEVE HIM TO BE CAPABLE OF CHANGING AMERICA TO WHERE IT WAS BEFORE BUSH RAN IT AGROUND WITH FEAR.

I'M FOR OBAMA BECAUSE ONLY IF HE WINS IS THERE HOPE THAT BEFORE I DIE I WILL LEAVE MY CHILDREN AN AMERICA AS GOOD AS THE ONE I FOUND WHEN I CAME HERE AS A REFUGEE.

The Obama America is as important to me as life itself-- just as it is for all those who on 9/11 volunteered for service. That makes me different from the spin-pros in the campaign who want total control. I DON'T MIND FOLLOWING THEIR ORDERS, but when they are seeking control for the sake of control, I will follow my own campaign for Obama because this election is too important to leave to the spin-pros. Every day, door by door, I am discussing with fellow Americans the positions Obama has on his WE page. But FIRST, I make it clear to them that the fear that grips them since 9/11 is a manufactured fear because the terrorists and the war on terror have spent themselves. IN FACT, THE AUTHOR OF THE JIHAD IDEOLOGY HAS TURNED AGAINST IT AND HAS CALLED FOR PEACE....OUR REAL ENEMY NOW IS FEAR ITSELF...FEAR MANIPULATED BY KARL ROVE SO THAT THEY COULD ENGULF US IN SMOKE....FEAR THAT THEY WOULD BLIND US WITH SO THAT WE DO NOT SEE WHAT MCCAIN IS ALL ABOUT AND WHAT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS ALL ABOUT.



WE WASTED A LOT OF TIME IN PRIMARIES SO WE MUST NOW PULL AWAY THE BLINDING CURTAIN OF FEAR SO THAT VOTERS CAN SEE THE SUNSHINE OF HOPE AND CHANGE WHICH ONLY OBAMA CAN BRING TO US.

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Athens30603 Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 11:47 PM
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181. I think I agree with this but got lost in parts of it. n/t
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MaraJade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:05 AM
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187. You'd better be right about Obama, and he'd better be
PERFECT. No MISTAKES or MISTEPS at all are allowed. Otherwise 2012 will bring
a hell so ugly and another type of history will be made.

Obama has built himself up to be being the Second Coming of the Messiah. He'd better be.
If there's water, he'd better get to walkin; because HE SAID HE WOULD.

Nuff Said.
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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 07:07 AM
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194. Absolutely!!!
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 04:50 AM
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195. "Barack Obama is now the only person on the planet who can stop John McCain"~~~The starkness
of this truth is staggering.

Our task is clear.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 10:02 AM
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Swingstater Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:59 PM
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197. Very intersting suggestions that need to be heeded
Well said.
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danielet Donating Member (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 07:58 PM
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201. Hey Mr. Democrat Moderator, is your name Ceausescu?
WeCt here. Moderator, let me ask you if we are in the Red World that I escaped or in the America I so believed in that I spent over a decade coming half way around the world to be welcomed by the Statue of Liberty?

I'm looking for the word "IRAN" in all the campaign talk. Instead I see a campaign that's running like management of geriatrics at the nursing home-- tell them everything is alright and promise them whatever it takes to quiet them down. Every day Americans face death and, to avoid it happening to them, they are killing people that they can in no way distinguish as fellow combatants or non-combatants. Where are the lessons learned?

Please Mr. Democrat Moderator, tell me-- a DEVOTED DEMOCRAT-- how you would deal with the following quote from Seymour Hersh's article in this week's NEW YORKER on US ops in Iran-- no, not Iraq, Iran!!-- even after the NIE declaring that they stopped nuke-making in 2003 removed any justification, even after we are not losing in Iran but in Afghanistan, even after we are living an illusion in Iraq:

"Although some legislators were troubled by aspects of the Finding, and there was a significant amount of high-level discussion about it, according to the source familiar with it, the funding for the escalation was approved. In other words, some members of the Democratic leadershipCongress has been under Democratic control since the 2006 electionswere willing, in secret, to go along with the Administration in expanding covert activities directed at Iran, while the Partys presumptive candidate for President, Barack Obama, has said that he favors direct talks and diplomacy."

You got that, Mr. Democrat moderator? I know Bush is an idiot, I know McCain is a fraud, I know Obama is the man of the next generation coming to suffer the consequence of the mess we boomers made, on their behalf taking America back from us crazy 60s, 70s, 80s pot and coke-heads who are now still utter me-ists muttering Bible-babble. But the issue is that Congress is full of Democrats that are sucking up to the Republicans. They are hoping that the neocons will forgive them and deem them proper Americans again because Congress will accept America doing whatever Israel wants it to do to Iran because only what is good for Israel-- according to Likudnik neocons-- is ALWAYS good for American and can NEVER be bad for America. But the issue is that the Democrat Party has selected a nominee who calls for negotiations with Iran while the Democrat Congress is following AIPAC's directions and giving Bush anything he wants to set fire to war in Iran. How, Mr. Democrat moderator, do you explain this fraudulent Democrat Congress that is contradicting the Democrat nominee for the presidency of the USA?

Well, you might say, Americans don't like to lose, so the Democrats in Congress have to placate them by extending in time AND EXPANDING in space to Iran the war on terror. But Democrats in Congress, it may not be your son or daughter, brother or sister, father or mother that are there on the battle line. It may be you that suffers from the "ain't my kid going to Iraq" disconnect syndrome. So, a Democrat Congress that came to power on grounds that it would end the Iraq War has funded the expansion into Iran. Bush cried about Iranian interference in Iraq all the while he invades Iran with Democrat Congressional approval in funds to do it.

You see, Mr. Moderator, I went to school in a Communist country. I learned the hard way what they meant with rules such as your blog rules, insisting that we not criticize "the Party." Will you remove my post, the way they would remove my handbill off a wall in my Communist country? Or will you answer by questions instead of just being a good career "activist" for "the Party"?

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 07:02 AM
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Karl_Bonner_1982 Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 03:06 AM
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205. First the election, then what?
What will DU become on the day after Obama's election?

OK, I guess this question is about three months too early, but it's never too early to start thinking about what to do once the Democrats are solidly in power.
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danielet Donating Member (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 07:33 PM
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208. Karl, I can't wait please tell me....
Yes, that is the question: WHAT DO DEMOCRATS BECOME ONCE THEY ARE IN POWER?

DEMOCRATIC PARTY....I believe in you because though you are as full of crap and crooks at the top as the Republicans, you have a constant magma eruption at the bottom of young idealists who are honest, realist and principled exploding through to the top....Like JFK....even RFK and Ted Kennedy who, whatever their personal flaws CARE, CARE, CARE, for those who can't CARE for themselves and all those who share that HUMAN SOCIAL MORALITY that has made America great....Thousands of Europeans did not migrate to America because of your "ENTREPRENEURS," we came here because of the principle of human well being that is the base the Statue of Liberty stands on. All my kids were born here so they could never see that Statue through my eyes. But I can tell you that she'll be the last thing I see before I see the Pearly Gates.

YOU DEMS, AT LEAST, TREAT THAT LADY LIBERTY WITH RESPECT, NOT RAPE HER AS THE "NEW" REPUBLICAN "ENTREPRENEURS" HAVE DONE....so, DU, if nothing else, AFTER THE 2008 DEM VICTORY IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND CONGRESS, I hope you all go to that Lady and ask: and now what else would you like us to do?

If you are REAL DEMS, you'll all hear Lady Liberty's answer and will know what to do next!
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danielet Donating Member (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-08 07:20 PM
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207. Why McCain is succeeding with stupid slander ads against Obama
Don't you Dems all get it? The issue is simple. The McCain Campaign is full of moral low-lifes, just like McCain. But McCain is so clumsy and keeps popping up dangerous skin moles that he is hopeless as a man who can seriously be seen occupying the Oval Office for eight years sound of body and mind....Given all the Republican scumbags going to jail these days, people are wondering what kind of crooks are hiding behind this Bernie's weekend carcass to replace him when the smell will require admitting that he is no longer with us.

So the way evil Republicans respond is TO SAY ANYTHING dirty that comes to their minds because in the end anything bad said about Obama is believable since to many people, including many Dems, ANYTHING BAD MUST BE TRUE BECAUSE, AFTER ALL, OBAMA IS *BLACK*!!!!

And BLACK is the real campaign issue in what the McCain Campaign think is really a race race.

The McCain Campaign is hoping that enough people are so upset that a black man is so much better that this WHITE idiot, that they'll accept anything criticizing Obama, no matter how dumb it is, just as when a black boxer beat the "Great White Hope," and any excuse seemed reasonable so as not to have to face the loss. The neocons, for example, are running a silent campaign, like the campaign Scooter Libby ran against Amb. Wilson's wife, claiming that Obama is a secret Black Muslim and really hates America and is bad for Israel. Such old commies know no other way than slander and underground campaigns that are too quiet to be noticed and so will not be challenged. Light and air are poison to the anaerobic neocon bacteria. They hope that people will pass on "the word" and will do it quietly so the Obama Campaign never notices that it must respond. It's a sort of slimy "SNIPER SWIFTBOATING" by chicken-hawks!

But these low lifes will meet their own encounter with light and air and, like all anaerobes, will perish as a political force in America very soon. Until then, all responsible Dems must monitor the toxins they spew.

The real issue is that the McCain campaign is throwing ads on TV hoping that these will provide AN ALLEGORY, an excuse, for the real Obama Problem: THAT HE IS BLACK!

So it doesn't matter how untrue and how absurd these ads are. The fact is, they provide cover for A RACE RACE!!!

There's nothing you Dems can do about that, for you can't change Obama's color and it's too late to change the racists attitudes of even many White Dems, since it was only recently that you were exploiting the racism for Hillary Clinton.

WHAT YOU CAN DO NOW IS *DISCREDIT* MCCAIN THOROUGHLY AND FACTUALLY FOR THE REAL SCUM BAG THAT HE REALLY IS.....AND, DISCREDIT THE SCUMBAGS AROUND HIM THAT WANT-- JUST AS BUSH DID-- TO KEEP GIVING AMERICA TO THE ROBBER BARON "ENTREPRENEURS" (French for TAKERS IN-BETWEEN who steal from both sides, producing nothing), LIKE THOSE WHO BROUGHT THE ECONOMY TO RUIN AND ARE SELLING AMERICAN PORTS TO ARAB FIRMS WHILE CLAIMING THAT WE MUST FIGHT ARABS TO SAVE AMERICA.

Don't expect the media to do the job because it is owned by the Corporations that brought you the Bush Economy and they will do anything to stop the OBAMA CHANGE they face.

THIS IS THE FIRST ELECTION EVER WHERE YOU DEMS CAN WIN BY TELLING THE TRUTH!

***DEFENDING OBAMA REQUIRES NO LIES BECAUSE HE IS A TERRIFIC CANDIDATE AND YOU NEED NOT LIE ABOUT HIS RACE, HIS NATIONALITY, HIS RELIGION OR HIS SEX LIFE TO SUPPORT HIM.

***WHAT YOU MUST DO IS *FULLY ANS OFTEN* EXPOSE THE FRAUD THAT IS MCCAIN. EXPOSE HOW HOLLOW HAS BEEN HIS WHOLE LIFE AND HOW ROTTEN ARE THE PEOPLE AROUND HIM. EXPOSE THAT THIS GAGA OLD FART HAS A NEOCON LIAR AS AN EXTERNAL BRAIN AND MINDER-- LIEBERMAN-- AND THAT THE SAME BUSH VENTRILOQUISTS SPEAK THROUGH DUMMY MCCAIN AS SPOKE THROUGH DUMMY BUSH-- FOUR MORE YEARS OF NEOCON VENTRILOQUISTS SPEAKING THROUGH DUMMY PRESIDENT!

Challenge McCain's claim that only he is able to lead the nation....If so, why didn't the Navy find him to be leadership material....that's his whole claim to fame, his military service; for his political career is nothing but a lot of opportunism, including offering the Kerry Campaign that he run for Dem VP until Bush made him another offer he couldn't refuse-- that's JOOOOOHN!

HIT HARD DEMS, SO PEOPLE ARE FORCED TO FACE THE REAL ISSUE: DO I WANT TO RISK AMERICA'S DEATH BY TREATING THE 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN AS A RACE RACE, OR DO I WANT TO ACCEPT THE REALLY GOOD AND QUALIFIED CANDIDATE OF CHANGE *EVEN THOUGH* HE IS BLACK?

I WISH PEOPLE WOULD SEE OBAMA AS OBAMA AND JUDGE HIM BY "THE CONTENT OF HIS CHARACTER INSTEAD OF THE COLOR OF HIS SKIN," LIKE IN REV. KING'S DREAM. ALAS, ROVE HAS POISONED THE AMERICAN VOTER'S MIND OVER THE LAST EIGHT YEARS AND THE NEOCONS HAVE ADDED TO THE RACE LIE THE "HUSSEIN" LIE. SO RATHER THAN JUST SPIN YOUR WHEELS FIGHTING LIES, WHY NOT FOCUS PEOPLE'S MINDS ON HOW INSANE IT WOULD BE TO CONSIDER WHAT IS THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE AVAILABLE FOR SOMEONE STUCK SEEING THIS AS A RACE RACE.

IF AMERICANS DON'T VOTE IN OFFICE PRESIDENT OBAMA, THIS ONCE GREAT NATION WILL BE LIKE AN EXHAUSTED GIANT WHALE NIPPED AT TO DEATH BY REPUBLICAN SHARKS IN THE NATIONAL WATERS. SO IF YOU LOVE AMERICA, POINT OUT THE SHARKS TO MR AND MRS AMERICA SO THAT THEY WILL APPRECIATE HOW DANGEROUS IT WOULD BE FOR THEIR CHILDREN IF THEY THE ACCEPT 2008 RACE AS A RACE RACE.
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misterconcept Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-09-08 01:40 AM
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209. We Owe Our Souls to the Company Store
Judging by the uninspiring and dispassionate campaign launched by the McCain camp, one can conclude that the current regime along with the entire Republican leadership, are completely unconcerned with the outcome of the November election, and with good reason. Last week, the White House announced that the next administration will inherit roughly, a 500 billion dollar debt. The question the American people continue to avoid is, to whom do we owe this astronomical sum? The answer, while ugly, is quite simple. We owe it to them. When Georgie W. took over the family business in 2001, he had one and only one goal: to establish a perpetual source of wealth for his fathers friends and the private interests who installed him in office. Through a campaign of lies, deceit, and propaganda he has achieved his goal.

It is astounding that, in the realm of global politics, the majority of Americans and, for that matter, most citizens of the world, find it easy to dismiss the obvious while embracing the absurd. The simple truth is that Georges Bush, Senior and Junior; Dick Cheney; David Addington; along with the entire Carlyle Group; are on the same payroll as Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Nouri Maliki, and Muqtada al-Sadr. These individuals will do anything necessary, independently or in cooperation with each other, to manipulate the price of oil. Lets face it; its in their best interest.

John McCain, along with his cheerleaders continues to tout the fact that, contrary to Obamas predictions, the surge has worked. In reality, the surge worked because agents of the United States government in collusion with representatives from the Big Three Oil Companies have made substantial cash deals with the warlords and gang leaders attempting to fill the power vacuum left by the Bathist Regime. Muqtada al-Sadr, now the highest paid extortionist in world history, has restrained his guns and has assumed the responsibility of turf assignment to his capos. The surge has merely kept the parties apart until the final deals could be finalized.

Furthermore, McCain somehow holds Obama responsible for rising oil prices by attributing the phenomenon to Obamas past refusal to support offshore drilling (did I mention absurdity). It is a foregone conclusion that even if oil was extracted from these sights, it would not impact gasoline supplies for seven to ten years and the target market for this supply would be in China. More importantly, no American voting in the next election should be complacent with the prospect of driving a gasoline-powered vehicle ten years from today.

The American people have a single issue on the ballot: are we willing to allow big oil and special interests to dictate global policies of war and peace, environmental preservation, and economic stability? Are we willing to allow our children and grandchildren to kill and die for Exxon Mobil and Halliburton?

Its time for America to embrace the obvious and reject the absurd. Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, and their entire multi-billion dollar propaganda machine must laugh themselves to sleep at night when they consider the following: for eight years they were successfully able to convince the American people that the American heartland, with the most powerful military in the world; with the most technologically sophisticated intelligence apparatus known to science; one which boasts of the ability to read a license plate from outer space; is under constant threat of attack by an international terrorist network with a capacity to strike at a moments notice that is commanded by three individuals operating from a cave in Afghanistan. Nice work Dick. In the final analysis, even if the Republicans lose the Presidential election and every seat in the legislature, they will still be in power by order of the golden rule: he who has the gold, makes the rules.

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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 02:46 AM
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210. this is reasonable n/t
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25 years voting D Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 01:08 AM
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211. Voting D for 25 years
Edited on Tue Aug-12-08 01:48 AM by 25 years voting D
After voting D for 25 years, and the party doing such an dismal job this year pushing any candidate of worth. I'm sick of it, just plain done. I demand better candidates in the future, the only way to obtain that is by letting my party know that I must conscientiously withhold my vote from it. Doing so until a time, it provides better choices. All in all many will be able to say that about both parties this year. In this time of empty politico blab.
With only bad Presidential choices from the main Parties, both offering Candidates with Senate Voting records that will make you cringe if you research them both. Please do just that, indecision and bad decisions abound in them. To a degree that could place them both as misguided characters in a Shakespearian tragedy. Neither should hold the White House; they are both unworthy. We should all take note, and make an effort to understand and accept that these platforms are devoid an actual Statesman, in every honest scrutiny that can be given. By the next Election there will be new voters whom will have never seen a true Statesman in Public Office. Few voters have taken the time beyond Party lines to realize how few there have been. It seems to late for the Democratic party to salvage itself this year, quite sad really. Should the party continue with this course it's influence will likely ebb into nothing. The party's decision to go down this road this changes in no positive way the course of our nation in this time.
Until our party of choice simply improves it is regrettably past time we demand as a country a stronger Third Party choice. Much stronger than Nader,as Centrist as Eisenhower,as fair as Roosevelt. In the last two elections we all sat back and accepted the choices we where given as the only choices. Demand now a better choice,instead of complaining later.
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elizorwrightjr Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 10:40 AM
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212. Key Note Address to the Democratic National Convention of Denver
Key Note Address to the Democratic National Convention of Denver


a. Importance of this day

This summer 150 years ago Abraham Lincoln addressed a convention like this one. The address has come to be known as the House Divided speech. No Convention of any party forever would be dishonored by opening with this speech because time has not changed the enemy nor his rules and bylaws, means and ways. But time has allowed the same enemy to appear under other false colors. You lack experience in dealing with Neo-Conservatives; you would know how to handle them were they still called Slave Power. Lincoln lacked experience to deal with the Slave Power; Lincoln would know how to deal with them without a civil war were they still called Tories. Clinical psychopaths are known for frequent change of names. Listen carefully to Lincoln address with names updated for your present impasse:

GENTLEMEN OF THE CONVENTION: If we could first know where we are, and whither we are tending, we could better judge what to do, and how to do it. Let any one who doubts, carefully contemplate that now almost complete legal combination -- piece of machinery, so to speak -- compounded of ...
(to update, rules and bylaws, introducing of caucuses into 15 states which had been primaries two elections before, proportional delegate allocation instead of winner take all as the other party, voiding of two state primaries which the other party attended undisturbed, moving of ninety thousand outside voters to Iowa a year before primaries to produce a queer singularity contrary to national polls, timing of Spitzer outing, pressure put on un-pledged delegates to pledge before time.)
Let him consider not only what work the machinery is adapted to do, and how well adapted; but also, let him study the history of its construction, and trace the evidences of design, and concert of action, among its chief architects, from the beginning. ... Several things will now appear less dark and mysterious than they did when they were transpiring. ... We cannot absolutely know that all these exact adaptations are the result of preconcert. But when we see a lot of framed timbers, different portions of which we know have been gotten out at different times and places and by different workmen -
(to update, Herman, Roosevelt, Karl Crist, Charlie Rove, Karl Schumer, Granholm, Pelosi, Kerry, Limbaugh, Axelrod, and Dean for instance) --
and when we see these timbers joined together, and see they exactly make the frame of a jail or a pen, all the tenons and mortices exactly fitting, and all the lengths and proportions of the different pieces exactly adapted to their respective places, and not a piece too many or too few -- not omitting even scaffolding -- or, if a single piece be lacking, we see the place in the frame exactly fitted and prepared yet to bring such a piece in -- in such a case, we find it impossible not to believe that (to update, Herman, Roosevelt, Crist, Rove, Schumer, Granholm, Pelosi, Kerry, Limbaugh, Axelrod, and Dean) all understood one another from the beginning, and all worked upon a common plan or draft drawn up before the first blow was struck.
(to update, Why mention punishing of a State primary? They were bylawing for early Nevada primary, and not for or about early primaries of other states possibly to be legislated by law makers and a governor of the other party.)
Put this and that together, and we have another nice little niche, which we may, ere long, see filled with another Court decision, declaring that the Constitution of the United States does not permit a State to exclude slavery from its limits. Our cause, then, must be intrusted to, and conducted by, its own undoubted friends -- those whose hands are free, whose hearts are in the work -- who do care for the result.
Two years ago the Republicans of the nation mustered over thirteen hundred thousand strong. We did this under the single impulse of resistance to a common danger, with every external circumstance against us. Of strange, discordant, and even hostile elements, we gathered from the four winds, and formed and fought the battle through, under the constant hot fire of a disciplined, proud and pampered enemy. Did we brave all then, to falter now? --now, when that same enemy is wavering, dissevered and belligerent? The result is not doubtful. We shall not fail -- if we stand firm, we shall not fail. Wise counsels may accelerate, or mistakes delay it, but, sooner or later, the victory is sure to come.


So Lincoln in 1858. Two years after this speech, at the Democratic National Convention of 1860 the Slave Power moved to capture the whole party but enough Democrats were energized by the speech to repulse the attempt.

Had there been a Lincoln in the Democratic party of 1974 to give such a speech, legacy Republicans would wake up and expel those around Nixon who were framing him so they could take over the party. Since eviction of Nixon, that party has fallen into hands of what has come to be known as Neo-conservatives and is none other than the old Slave Power of the Confederate states, Dixie States or Red States, Evangelical Bible belt of Adventist zealots. know to Blacks still as Kluxers or Klansmen.

Back in the year of that Lincoln speech, real democrats in the Democratic party had been bound into impotence by rules and bylaws. Americans had slumbered over a generation and allowed the Tory fifth column to take over most positions of authority within the party one after the other. When the fifth column made its final bid to take total control, native democrats, real owners of the party, resisted. It was almost too late to outvote the fifth column.

Wikipedia: At the Democratic National Convention in April 1860, 50 southern Democrats walked out over a platform dispute. Six candidates were nominated including Stephen Douglas, US Senator from of Illinois. On the 57th ballot, Douglas was still ahead, but still 50 votes short of nomination. In desperation, on May 3 the delegates agreed to stop voting and adjourn the convention. Democrats convened again on June 18. This time 110 southern delegates led by properly called Fire-Eaters, walked out when the convention would not adopt a resolution supporting slavery in the territories. After many ballots, the remaining Democrats nominated the ticket of Stephen A. Douglas of Illinois for President. Southern Democrats reconvened in Richmond, Virginia, and on June 28 nominated the pro-slavery incumbent Vice President, John Cabell Breckinridge of Kentucky, for President. Douglas had an important presence in southern cities, especially among Irish Americans. The election was held on November 6. It was noteworthy for the exaggerated sectionalism of the vote, with Lincoln not even on the ballot in nine Southern states and winning only two of 996 counties in the entire South. In the six states still permitting slavery where he was on the ballot, he came in fourth in every state except Delaware (3rd). Breckinridge, who was the sitting Vice-President of the United States and the only candidate to later support secession, won all the states that would form the Confederacy except Virginia and Tennessee.


You know what followed. Two halves of Democratic party lost the election to Mr. Lincoln of the Republican Party.

Now in this Convention of 2008 you have again a nominee supported by Southern Red States and a nominee supported by the Northern Blue States and the Democratic party is like splitting again. Unluckily candidate of the Republican party is neither a Lincoln nor a Nixon.

Back in 1860 Slave power was confined to Southern half of the Democratic party which was bad enough. This year, the Slave Power which is now called Neo-Conservatives possesses the Republican party since 32 years already and is now making a bid to capture the Democratic Party as well. If they succeed, the next election will be between Neo-cons and Neo-Libs and decent folk rendered impotent will be whispering to each other that there is no difference between the two extremes who have captured control of the two parties.

In this Convention native democrats have their last opportunity to defeat a hostile take over of the party. Miss this opportunity and both parties go under the same power. Legacy Republicans of the party of Lincoln and legacy democrats of the party or Wilson, Kennedy, Clinton, will have to come together in a third party condemned to weak opposition for many years for lack of a neutral media while Slave Power spreads its net under disguise of Homeland security over all States. Homeland Security would be an affair for states rather than federal had this fate not been already planned. Subversion of the Republic through capture of its two parties has been planned very long term.

In this Convention, legacy blue democrats have their last chance to defeat the Red State takeover attempt. You still can expel the fifth column. You still can recover the party for the Democratic base. Take your party back if you dare but if you do not, call things by their names, leave one more party to the Slave Power and move to a third party where legacy Republicans will also join you. Cynthia McKinney being the pioneer on this path, rally to her flag.

Attempt of the Slave power to capture the Democratic party is now to be finalized in this Convention. The attempt can still be repulsed if enough delegates review in their minds the rules and bylaws of the last two years, introduction of caucuses in the last two elections where there had been primaries before, the several court decisions regarding law suits of Florida Democrats against Democratic National Committee DNC, of McKinney against crossover manipulation of 2002, of Mississippi blacks against crossovers in 2006, of gay marriage issues, of partial birth abortion issues. Even though at first not very obvious, every one of these court rulings has augmented grip of the Neo cons over both parties and over the Republic.

You can repulse this assault on the Democratic party by voting down the nominee given you by red state primaries and hijacked caucuses. You all heard anecdotal evidence of caucuses being hijacked. Anecdotal evidence stands in bad repute but if counted it would recover its good name; a reply to a pollster is nothing but anecdote. The counting makes it evidence but bad counting makes it bad evidence. You have been dished bad evidence.

Texas caucus gives the show away. When the same total voters of the same state on the same day produce results differing by 16 points between primary and caucus, you know one of them has been tainted. Bigger numbers of the base had the opportunity to vote in the primary but the intricate conditions of participating in a caucus reduced number of participants to a quarter. Of the two, caucus is tainted, being suitable to attack by professional hijackers. You know which nominee is favored by 16 points in the Texas caucuses over the Texas primary.

You can vote here with justification to unseat all caucus delegates for their being stolen delegates.

But you can do even better. Three primaries are obviously not tainted by cross over raiders for reasons known to all of you: Florida, Michigan and Puerto Rico primaries were not raided. You can view results of these three primaries to be the best indicator of Democratic base desire nationwide and pick the nominee accordingly.

Besides you know that Axelrod campaign invited Republicans to vote in Democratic primary. Axelrod campaign did this from early 2007 till end of February 2008. This campaign for Obama Republicans was done in broad daylight. Thank you for the support but why are we whispering, said Obama to republicans many times. Media pundits far from making a secret of this, announced it as evidence of appeal. Michael Reagan, son of the late president and conservative radio host in California, invited Republicans to vote for Axelrod's client. His brother Ron Reagan endorsed the client of Axelrod on CNN Larry King show. All other conservative radio hosts did the same till end of February. But in February also Democratic base blogs were alerted to enemy raiding and forced DNC to take notice. Only then and only for one week from March 1 did Limbaugh change accent. On March 8 Limbaugh was back to his old track telling Republicans vote Obama in Mississippi. And from March 1, mass media dropped the word Obamacan as if it had never ever been used. Such complete coordination of mainstream media with the lunatic conservative radio host is evidence of concert of the kind once Lincoln discovered. Nowadays the operation ought to be watched through lens of RICO. Organized crime.

The game played with so called exit polls was horrible. Relentless repetition of how the cross over voters split according to exit polls became an insult to human intelligence. Americans ought to be sorry if any super delegate, any of the Party Leaders and Elected Officers believed the fiction of exit polls that nine million Republicans cross over and go through all the labor only to split between two democratic candidates equally and thus nullify the effect of their votes.

Until March 1, until Rush warning, 70% of crossovers were freely confessing that they voted for Obama. After Rush warning, that percentage was reduced to 50%.

But mass media put an amazing spin on replies of primary raiders. Mass media propagated that before march 1, non democrats split 70 to 30 for Obama but that after Rush operation chaos they split 50 to 50. Shills on all blogs started fake debates on whether this meant Rush had made a difference.

But what happened with confessions of raiders to exit pollsters is this: all of them having voted for the client of Axelrod, in February 30% only of the cross over voters were lying to exit pollsters. In March 50% lied to exit pollster. Look at the unintended implication: as if these conservatives were absolute fools canceling out their so valuable chaos votes. Fact is from beginning to end all raiders voted for client of Axelrod. Operation chaos never was about a change in the color of their votes. It is about their reply to exit pollsters. Any dittohead knows that. When Rush says vote Clinton, it means nothing but this: tell pollsters you voted Clinton. This gives the fifth column among party leaders to put pressure on un-pledged delegates to tilt to the other side.

Nine million republicans, card carrying and independent, voted for Obama. That determined a quarter of the total pledged delegates. You can unseat them here. A similar thing was done to Republican Party in 1952 to nominate Robert Taft against Eisenhower and cause defeat of the party.

Republican Convention of 1952 possessed the wisdom of unseating the stolen delegates and thus managed to nominate a winner ticket instead of a loser. Taft campaign was accused of stealing delegate votes in those States which in 2008 are the same red states who gave delegates to client of Axelrod. Operation Fair Play unseated the stolen delegates. At the time, these deceptive neo conservatives had the Democratic party under their control and they were working for defeat of Republican party by giving it a loser for candidate.

Wikipedia: When the 1952 Republican National Convention opened in Chicago, most political experts rated Taft and Eisenhower as neck-and-neck in the delegate vote totals. Eisenhower's managers, led by Governor Dewey and Massachusetts Senator Henry Cabot Lodge, Jr., accused Taft of "stealing" delegate votes in Southern states such as Texas and Georgia. They claimed that Taft's leaders in these states had illegally refused to give delegate spots to Eisenhower supporters and put Taft delegates in their place. Lodge and Dewey proposed to evict the pro-Taft delegates in these states and replace them with pro-Eisenhower delegates; they called this proposal "Fair Play". Although Taft and his supporters angrily denied this charge, the convention voted to support Fair Play 658 to 548, and Taft lost many Southern delegates; this decided the nomination in Eisenhower's favor. However, the mood at the convention was one of the most bitter and emotional in American history; in one speech Senator Everett Dirksen of Illinois, a Taft supporter, pointed at Governor Dewey on the convention floor and accused him of leading the Republicans "down the road to defeat", and mixed boos and cheers rang out from the delegates. In the end Eisenhower took the nomination on the first ballot; to heal the wounds caused by the battle he went to Taft's hotel suite and met with him.

Black votes for Obama are innocent of the plot. Blacks were made victims of an elaborate deception. Had Obama not been available, Axelrod in concert with Rove would do the same with Bill Richardson and Hispanic votes. Hispanic districts of Texas would be given seven delegates each but black districts only three. Hispanic voters would then become victims of an elaborate deception, unintentionally becoming instruments of the ruin of Democratic Party and by consequence the prolongation of wars of aggression abroad. Now the black voters are manipulated into this position. Black lawmakers in the Congress resisted the manipulation until the mass media created pressure became irresistible. Had media not suppressed voice of black members of the congress, any client of Axelrod would just be ignored by the black voters.

Such elaborate deception can only be defeated by collective wisdom of the nation. It is too overwhelming for any small group of dedicated good men. But collective wisdom of the nation can not be articulated because mass media is partial to the deception. In this all important nomination race the intricate web of deception proved overwhelming for best brains of Democrats, Kennedy, Carter and Clintons as we saw unfolding from January to June. In 2006 Clinton was without rival in all the national polls and therefore subtle changes in rules and bylaws escaped proper review: rules that would make all the difference in January and February of 2008. Only if democrats had instead of all those wedge issue policy positions this one principle: you shall not make unnecessary rules. Only with such a principle ingrained could Democrats prevent those subtle changes introducing caucuses in place of primaries and differing allocation of delegates to Black and Hispanic majority districts, and taking two big states out of the race, could be objected to even before those rules appeared in their full bloom. After the fact it is of course too late. Shills on all blogs ere already positioned to pump garbage like same rules for all and why did Clinton not object to the rules earlier. Rules made by architects of elaborate deception are never the same for all parties. It is a marvel that the Rules and Bylaws committee did not make a rule like - all super delegates whose family names start with three consonants have thirty votes each. Without an absolute position against all unnecessary rules irrespective of all the appearance of neutrality, democrats would let the rule pass and then on convention floor it would turn out that all such names vote against Clinton. Irreversible damage is done and shills chorus their mantra: rules are rules and they are the same for all sides. But they are not. The architects of deception know in advance if they will use a Black or a Hispanic nominee to steal the nomination process and then lose the general election. Accordingly they allocate seven delegates to the Black or Hispanic majority districts of Texas where they also bring the rule of division by district instead of division by state. The other districts get three delegates allocated to each. These are the rules and they do have the appearance of being the same for both sides, but they are not. Those who claim these rules are the same for both sides in fact betray themselves to be part of a fifth column.

Lacking untainted media, you still had a channel to the collective wisdom of the nation. It was the ballot box: three quarters of democrats who voted in the primaries voted Clinton and that is the message nearest to collective wisdom of the nation. But the elaborate deception managed to muddy this fact. If only State party chairs would segregate three colors of polling stations, one for Democrats, one for Independents and one for crossovers, the grand deception with a hundred concerted tricks, would have failed. You would know undiluted vote of Democrats. That simple it was. Pollsters thus acquired the authority of becoming sole interpreters of how the nation voted. And pollsters are just guys with a job working for someone we don't really know.

You can this evening find out unequivocally if three quarters of the democratic base wish to nominate Clinton. Call in a hundred of the oldest Denver Democrats. Attach two witnesses to each to attest. Pick by lot one hundred districts from all over America. Printout lists of first hundred Democrats in these districts. Put the list of hundred names of each far off district on table for one Denver elder. In two hours you have the results: Clinton or Obama. You will see they split 75 to 25 for Clinton. If there yet remains a delegate in doubt, let each Denver elder call another hundred democrats of the district entrusted to him, and then a third hundred and a fourth hundred until even the fifth column among the party leaders and elected officers cannot object further.

Democratic base wants to nominate Clinton because collective wisdom of the base says Clinton is sure winner while any client of Axelrod is a sure loser, be he Black or Hispanic, Irish or Italian, Catholic or Moslem, male or female, gay or straight, pro-life or pro-choice, partial-birth or post-birth, stem cell or global warming...

Details are muddied but totals are undisputable: 20 million voted Republican ballot, 36 million voted Democratic ballot. Half the difference is raider votes. It is political suicide to ignore this and go ahead to worst defeat of Democrats ever.

With Obama, democrats lose the General election 30 to 70.

Clinton/Obama ticket reduces the democratic vote to 51 to 49 and with such close margins, electronic voting machines play havoc. Diebold takes over. You need big margins. Obama/Clinton ticket loses 49 to 51.

Any Democratic ticket with Axelrod's client on it still wins with 51% if the Democratic National Convention votes for and announces the following: Obama campaign personnel including staff of Daschle has been dismissed; in case of a Democratic victory in November, the cabinet will be as follows...; party position is suspended on all wedge issues without exception including abortion, gay, stem cell, anti-smoking, global warming, tariffs, national bank, amalgamation, protestant succession and other specious phrases invented to delude a whole nation. Constitution knows only two genders and therefore all laws pertaining to a third gender are probably null and void for as long as a third gender can not be brought into the constitution with an amendment and if this is not so every university of the Republic ought to come out and declare its position. The party has no bigoted position and needs to claim none.

With Clinton ticket, Democrats win the general election 60 to 40.

Clinton/Cynthia McKinney ticket wins 70 to 30.

Clinton/Wesley Clark ticket wins 65 to 35.

Clinton/Denzel Washington ticket wins 60 to 40.

Clinton/Reverend Dr. Jeremiah Wright Jr. ticket wins 60 to 40.

Clinton/Michael Moore ticket wins 55 to 45.

Independent ticket of Cynthia McKinney wins 55% if endorsed by Kennedy, Carter and Clintons and a democratic cabinet announced. Wins with even bigger margins if attacked by Gore, Kerry, Pelosi, Reid, Dean. Even bigger margins if perchance attacked by Lieberman. Loss of some margin if endorsed by any of these.

Independent ticket of Clinton wins 60%. Republicans get 25% hard core psychopaths and Democrat candidate of Axelrod gets the remaining 15%.

Cable Guy on Democratic ticket wins with 51% against Republicans on condition that he not be a client of Axelrod and not be supported by staff of Daschle, and not be endorsed by Gore and Kerry nor by Pelosi and Dean.

This Convention can voice vote to put on probation all party leaders who pressed for Clinton to give up early. These people aided the elaborate deception that is about to convert the Democratic party into Neo-Liberals as they converted the Republican party into Neo-Conservatives. Same resources, similar methods.

This Convention can vote down from positions of responsibility all who pushed for loser candidates in the previous two elections, all who supported conversion of the primary states into caucus states, all who prevented adoption of the Winner Take All rule for delegate allocation.

In 1952 the unseating of stolen delegates from red states allowed Icke/Nixon ticket to compete in the general election; implications have been more immense than ever realized. At the time the Slave power of red states had control of the Democratic party. Had the stolen delegates managed to nominate Robert Taft and so give the election again to Democratic party of that time, the Korean war would escalate into the third world war. The blue prints were ready, the stocks were sold, the press was squared and the middle class quiet prepared.

In 1952 Republican Convention became the platform on which the third world war was prevented. Unseating of the stolen delegates prevented the third world war.

In 2008 Democratic Convention is the platform on which the third world war may be prevented. Unseating of the stolen delegates prevents the third world war again.

Preventing of a world war is the most ungrateful job in the world since the world will not come thanking you for it because the world can not realize how close it was and therefore it is the most satisfying thing there ever was for those who love that sort of service to mankind.

In 1952 Eisenhower's campaign managers, led by Governor Dewey and Massachusetts Senator Henry Cabot Lodge, Jr., accused Taft of "stealing" delegate votes in Southern states such as Texas and Georgia. By unseating those stolen delegates, Governor Dewey and Senator Lodge and delegates who voted with them prevented the third world war. Icke/Nixon ticket won the general election and at once terminated the Korean war; and in the eight years of this ticket no other war was started by the United States of America. Poor France was next choice of those demons defeated in the Republican Convention of 1952. They shifted resources to drag France into Vietnam quagmire because they must drag someone.

This Convention may go into history as the platform on which a world war was prevented. It is up to you. You have the choice between speaking up now or remaining silent forever. What say you?



b. Garbled message of Primaries

Mass media scripture quoting devil like admonished you to not overturn the popular wish and hundred sixty of your own rank echoed the warning leaving you speechless.

You need to know what the popular wish is before you can respect it. You need to get the right message before you can do the right thing in Lexington and Concord. Two silversmiths wake you up in small hours of the night one saying the Hessians are coming and the other saying as loudly or lauder the British are going; you need to know which silversmith is for real before you act. But you already know one thing from this commotion; that the conflicting messages are business unusual and you better take steps also unusual for thy doom is in business as usual; that you better not go back to sleep; you better prepare for the worst.

False messenger appears as self confident as the real messenger or more so because propagation of falsehood is a fine art which conveying of truth is not. A few contradictions here and there do not perturb the spreaders of falsehood; like, if the British are going and not coming, surely this message could wait till morning.

You are lost if you fail to separate false clauses skillfully embedded into an otherwise genuine message. A reproducing cell does ill to the whole body if it reproduces the virus also ingeniously embedded.

Corrupters of messages, viral or human alike, defy identification. They simulate and dissimulate skillfully. If not identified in time their success is as assured as your failure.

What was the popular wish in these primaries?

For three nominees of the Republican party voted twenty million citizens. Ten million votes for the first and ten for the next two.

for two nominees of the Democratic party voted thirty-six million citizens. One half for each.

Assuming genuine partisans of both parties interested in the nomination process to be roughly equal give or take a million or two, a quarter of the thirty six million voters in the Democratic primaries are card carrying and other partisans of the rival party.

Of course you are not sure of that but can you tell us why you are unsure? Ballots are about counting, about knowing exact numbers of the voters for and against. But you are not sure. The assumption is bold. You don't have the exact figures. You don't have the exact message. This by itself is the first sign that the message has been tampered with. In some states every voter who had not been a registered Democrat but wished to express a preference for a nominee, has been put on record; you can have name, address and all. But even in such states the color of the actual vote in the voting booth remains secret. You are left to infer actual preferences from how many non democrats went in and how many votes for each nominee came out of a polling station.

You have division for nominees by poll stations but you don't have division for party members and raid voters. You don't know if only one quarter of native democrats voted for the one nominee and three quarters of native democrats voted for the other nominee. You don't know what the party base knows by walking the streets and knowing their neighbors. You do not know from ballot results.

Party Leaders and Elected Officers don't have the official and verifiable figures. You do not have the unadulterated message, the popular vote, the public wish. What the majority of Democratic party members desired you do not know.

Besides there is this other source that tells the world what the message is and this telling presented in form of figures has an appearance much superior, more reliable than what the party base says. You get two opposite readings of what was but one and the same message; except one reading has semblance of numbers while the other looks like a great number of anecdotes.

Anecdotes can be counted and become statistics but they won't be counted if you don't count them.

Someone just out of a polling booth may tell you for whom he voted; I might not tell but some do. Some tell it truthfully and some deceptively. You don't know how many of each there are. Each answer is anecdotal at best. But someone counts 1003 of these miserable anecdotes, reduces ayes and nays into percentages, attaches a silly plus or minus three points error margin, omits the raw number of them, and runs back to his employer. The thing is done. Another reading is put on a most important message we just received but could not read. The boys from Chaos spread their reading of what you could not read even with the help of a million election officers. And this new reading is repeated by national networks till it became the only possible reading. You become incapable of conceiving anything else.

After much art and no science you are in the end supposed to know with calamitous certainty that the message says: exit Pharaoh go poll my people to let Moses go! After this giant step it is but a small step to conclude what a freak radio show master really wants, and what his freak listeners really do when they hear what he says; you miss his wink.

The rest is... well I hope not yet. Not if I find words for...

I will not talk any further about this other supposed source of policy guidance because pretty soon there is going to be two more dirty words: exit polls. These will join ranks of other dirty words of the near future: momentum and Iowa, hope and change, patriot and homeland...

All non democrats who vote for a nominee are on record in some states but in other states they are not. End effect is that you do not know for certain which of the two eighteen million voting blocks contains in it the nine million card carrying and other partisans of the rival party.

Here is the trickiest point of this business: you cannot say these nine million votes are spoiler votes. Repetition since January has added to your articles of faith that you cannot know their motive being evil. But you can. You know that only half the nation, half of the registered voters, vote in general elections. You also know that in quiet years about ten percent of the electorate attends primaries. This is not a quiet year. This is a junction year a fateful turning point beyond which none can tell what lurks. In this year above a quarter of the electorate attended primaries because stakes are high. An all time record.

But still a quarter of electors voted means three quarters did not. Three quarters wished not to make a choice between the nominees of the party near half of them will vote for come November. That is as it should be. If I am fed up with the Republican party and firmly decided on voting Democrat in November, I do not go tell democrats who they should nominate. I do not go to their primaries to pick a presidential candidate for them leaving the rest of the ticket for State and local officers as if I don't care. If I were fed up with voting Republican in the general election, I would of course vote Democrat in November but I would stay away from Democratic nomination process.

Every non democrat who sincerely means to vote democrat in November is among the three quarters of eligible citizens who did not attend the primaries. They will vote in November for the party candidate.

Every non democrat who voted in primaries is a spoiler vote and the sum of them is nine million and it is mixed somewhere in either or both of the eighteen million voting blocks.

Here is the need to separate a virus from the cell; here is the need to identify spoiler clauses grafted into a true message; here is the need to recognize which night riding silver smith is the real thing. In retrospect you know of course that Paul Revere had the right message; but you know not how the patriots of Lexington and Concord recognized the correct message from among the many false ones; Tory falsifications were all around them repeated in every gathering place night after night till people went to sleep. You don't know how many Tories pointed at Paul and accused him of lying. You do not know how patriots recognized those accusers for actual liars. You do not know why Paul Revere was believed, why Tories who accused him were not believed. You do not know because these tales are not in the text books any more. A future generation will not know Paul Revere. Another will know neither Lexington nor Concord. And another generation will believe the words give me liberty or give me death were made up by a Tory biographer of Patrick Henry whose relatives became cruelest slave breeders. There is no limit to perfidy, no bar to spoliation of national heritage by precisely those whose ancestors had collaborated with the enemy of the nation.

But here and today there is a thing you need to know with certainty and do not know: where are those nine million spoiler votes.

Are the nine million spoiler votes all in the first block as giver and receiver proudly proclaimed throughout the month of February? Are they half of the Obama votes?

Are the nine million spoiler votes all in the second block as giver and receiver coyly and defensively confessed throughout the month of March? Are they half of the Clinton votes?

Are these nine million split between your two blocks canceling out as the pundits have been claiming with mathematical certainties adorned with cock and bull margins of error?

You have here three distinctly different messages where the genuine message has been but one. There was one popular wish expressed by the people who attended the primaries and will vote Democratic in November. The message sent was one. But when this message arrived and you read it, you read in three different ways because it has been soiled and spoiled on the way. The spoliation allowed three readings of what we know had been but one clear and distinct message. Three quarters of democratic base nominated a candidate and you do not know whom.

Three different readings of the same message must produce three different factions regarding what action to take. It is wonderful that the Party leaders and Elected Officers did indeed divide into three factions; those who endorsed the first 18 million votes, those who endorsed the second 18 million votes and those who remained uncommitted.

But of course knowing is an art. It is not a science. What we cannot know for a while, we can come to know suddenly. What was not knowable yesterday can become so today even without new data. For some reason some sight some noise stirs a lulled area of our perception and we suddenly know what we held for unknowable. Once we know, we see possibilities of action we would have thought undoable.


c. A Mental Test

noquarterusa.net Comment by rjj | 2008-06-07 13:46:55 Chuck Todd of MSNBC is a consummate idiot. He is already trying to say that Hillary must work harder for her supporters for Obama. Seems to be a talking point. Everybody is saying that. It is a poke in the eye (a Rove specialty ... but so many things are so very Rovian about the whole campaign - particularly the thoroughness. Dems don't do detail).

Taylor Marsh Blogs: I'm telling you, there is some fvcked up shyt going on. Maybe the DNC leaders are all addicted to oxycodone or something, or drinking the blood of innocent children. Who the hell knows? Shtuey | 05.09.2008 - 02:53 am That is the truest thing I've heard in a while! I keep clicking my heels together but I still haven't made it back to reality. sarnold51 | 05.09.2008 - 02:57 am


APA having been subverted long before the political parties, let us become our own psychiatrists. Let us do a mental test.

I ask ONE question and you write on a piece of paper in friendly capital letters YES or NO. Sign it with your name please. Consider you are answering the day after mid term election of 2006.

Question: State of Texas was primary pure in 2000 and in 2004. No caucuses, not a caucus anywhere nor for any number of delegates. Shall we change the rule now and introduce caucuses for a third of the delegates, YES or NO?

I can tell you from here, just looking at 800 Party leaders and Elected Officers, that the number of YES answers is less than 160. It is in fact around 80 plus minus ten.

640 of you answered No. 640 of you meant, if Texas was primary last two elections, leave it primary; what the heck do you wish caucuses for? If you got a problem with secret vote and open count, Jim, Alexis, you two shouldn't be in the Democratic party anyway.

These 640 super delegates are sincere.

Another 80 answered No, but let me tell you the worst the soonest. They are not sincere. There is among you this 160 who will split in their answer to any question in early stages but move in unison from inside three factions when push comes to shove ... you know. You ought to know these talented players. But how are you to know them? Aye, that is the question on which parties have gone bad.

Where are the Federalists, once party of Hamilton... where are the Whigs? Where is the Republican-Democratic party of Jefferson and Monroe?... Where is the Republican party of Lincoln and Nixon? Why are the honest citizens last 34 years confined to the Democratic Party, once the party of Slave power? They are gone down the drain because the art of detecting and expelling a fifth columns remains undiscovered.

Let me do the mental test more thoroughly for the purpose of pioneering this art. The single question test did not bring out one half of the fifth column among the Party leaders and elected officers. Eighty fifth columnists undiscovered destroy all effectiveness of the 640 sincere leaders and elected officers. A ten question test will smoke out the fifth column.

I ask ten questions and you write on a piece of paper in big friendly capital letters again YES or NO for each number. sign it with your names please. The date is August 25, 2008. Consider you are answering day after mid term election of 2006.

Question One: Texas was primary pure in the two previous presidential elections. Not caucus. Not a caucus anywhere nor for any number of delegates. Shall we change the rule and introduce caucuses for a third of the delegates, YES or NO?

Question Two: Shall we allocate delegates per senatorial district not equal but according to number of Democratic votes in the mid term election of 2006, YES or NO?

Question Three: if such allocation gives black majority districts seven delegates each but to Hispanic majority districts three delegates each, shall we just leave it so, YES or NO?

Question Four: now that we are agreed on proportional allocation of delegates instead of Winner Take All, shall we deviate from division statewide and do a division per district in Texas, YES or NO?

Question Five: though Republicans have statewide Winner Take All rule, shall we stick to our proportional delegate allocation rule without a debate, YES or NO?

Question Six: though Republicans have the same penalty of half vote for primaries before February 5 and apply it to all (five ) states, shall we deviate from it and declare penalty of zero vote for those states, YES or NO?

Question Seven: though Republicans have the same penalty of half vote for primaries before February 5 and apply it to all (five) states, shall we pardon three small states by giving them so called permission but punish two large states to which we somehow do not give permission, YES or NO?

Question Eight: should we leave undiscovered who made it so that three small states were given permission but two large states were not given permission, YES or NO?

Question Nine: should we allow our Rules and Bylaws Committee to make rules for actions of Republican Legislature and governor of Florida without asking why this committee does not also make rules for the Russian Legislature for the violation of which Democrats of Alaska are to be punished, YES or NO?

Question Ten: Should we leave it uninvestigated if our Rules and Bylaws Committee co-chair had been coordinating their deeds with the infamous strategist of the rival party, YES or NO?

Thank you for the answers.

Let the these answers be counted by eight witnesses from the somewhat scantily populated American Hall of Character: two decent Reps, Rick Santorum and D'Amato; two honest Dems, McKinney and Richardson; four respectable outsiders; the wronged Reverend Jeremiah Wright, the self exiled author Gore Vidal, the bold Amy Goodman of Democracy Now and the venerable Chomsky.

640 voted a straight NO ticket. NO to all ten questions. No, don't go tempering with primary and caucus rules. No, don't go redistricting Texas, no, don't give seven delegates to black districts against three delegates to Hispanic districts of Texas. No, do not allocate a third of Texas delegates to caucuses. No, don't make rules for governor of Florida who is not under your jurisdiction. No, No, No... Jim, Alexis, don't do it. Let well alone, let primaries remain, do not introduce caucuses anywhere but Iowa and if you are really worried about nomination dragging too long then why don't you just adopt the Winner Take All rule as the republicans have it...

160 among Democratic Party Leaders and Elected Officers voted mixed ticket; some questions get Yes, some get No. Look at the Pelosis; both voted mixed tickets; some yes some no. But they are complementary. A Yes on Pelosi Sr. ballot is a No on Pelosi Jr. ballot. A corollary test would be interesting here if the Pelosis would cooperate but they wont. The test we cannot conduct is this: asking them to answer the same ten questions again. It would be curious to see if the Yes and No answers changed places on both their ballots but still remained complementary between mother and daughter. Had this test been possible, psychiatrists of the world would have something to ponder upon for a generation or two.

160 gave mixed answers; but these 160 among Party leaders and elected officers split eighty to eighty on every one of the ten questions. They don't agree among themselves on any one question.

Kerry and Lieberman answers are complementary just like Mother and daughter Pelosi; Every Yes from the one is a No from the other.

Jim Roosevelt and Herman Alexis, co-chair of Rules and Bylaws, even they do not agree in their ten Yeses and ten Nos. What a fifth column, what a declining art. John Adams and John Jay were much better at it.

Same thing for Dean and Reid. They have managed to agree on monstrosities like Texas caucuses and allocated seven delegates to Black districts of Texas against three to Hispanic districts but in their ten answers they disagree as if they were not of the same mind on some things.

It would be interesting if there came a Lincoln now and forced equivocal issues to decision, push came to shove and this Democratic Party split here and now, the South going of course with candidate who won the red caucuses, the North going with the candidate who won those three primaries in which the spoilers had no interest for two different reasons. Spoilers had no interest in the January Primaries of Florida and Michigan because spoilers are very legalistic minded. Rules and Bylaws committee of the Democratic Party is sacred to these republicans who have such lively interest in Democratic nominations. Its rulings immutable in their minds and the rulers of those rules infallible. Only genuine Democrats cast ballots in those two annulled primaries in contempt of DNC including Rules and Bylaws Committee RBC co-chair Alexis Herman and Jim Roosevelt.

In the end when you can not read the message coming out of all the other states because of spoiler pollution defying measurement, those maligned primaries become voice of truth from the desert. And Puerto Rico of course. Laud and clear is the message from Puerto Rico, last of primaries, because spoilers don't live there in numbers. The atmosphere of Puerto Rico does not agree with the evangelical Clannish Slave power, our Tories. Hispanic TV of Puerto Rico filters the fake momentum clamor that needed only ninety thousand votes in IOWA to start rolling in contempt of millions of Florida and Michigan.

Thus we have two January primaries clean from spoilers and one June primary; the earliest and the latest.

If a Lincoln rose and rejected compromise and forced issues to a division better now than later, Southern Democrats of the caucus red states should go with their candidate; Northern Democrats would go with the Candidate preferred in third, fifth and last primaries that attracted no spoilers.

Back in 1860 there was a Lincoln. two halves of the split party lost in a three way election but they would not give up.

Now, if ran independent, candidate of the three unspoiled primaries would get 60 percent in the general election. People happen to like the choice of an unspoiled primary and are vary of results from spoiled caucuses in red states.

Remaining 40 percent would split between candidate of Southern caucus democrats and Republican who is not Abraham but Cain. Probably Cain will get the 25% hard core psychopaths. That will leave 15% to the candidate of southern caucuses.

But in 1860 the Democratic party might not split for the general election. The Northern party might be able to expel the Slave power without splitting the party. After all Slave power, with all the extreme legalistic mind set, was still the sly criminal element and if properly investigated, might be convicted for crimes. Because those framed timbers Lincoln describes did not come without criminal doings in the back ground. Soon as Dred Scott ruling came out of that Supreme Court, people of perception surely recognized a criminal under layer; you don't get such Judges into Supreme court by not interfering in the previous decades, by not twisting arms, by not blackmailing alternative candidates; there is always murder in the previous decade of such framed timbers coming together. There are secret meetings, secret fund transfers even from abroad, secret doings galore and every one of these things is criminal. Reason they escape justice is that offices which ought to see these things are precisely those offices infiltrated first. Rules and Bylaws Committees.

d. Winner Take All:

Perhaps you know not that the very same thirty-six million votes, including nine million spoilers and all, cast from January to June that gave Obama about 150 delegate margin under the rule of proportional allocation, the very same votes give Clinton 600 delegate margin under the rule of Winner Take All as Republican Party have it. Same republic, same voters, same votes and yet rule maker decides if one nominee is 150 delegates ahead or on the contrary the other nominee is 600 delegates ahead. Perhaps you do not see the foot prints of Karl Rove outside the window of RBC, Democratic Rules and Bylaws Committee. Good for your sanity if you dont. But perhaps your sanity is not worth much if you let psychopaths with an unnatural aptitude for rule manipulation to sink the Republic.

Republican party has statewide Winner Take All rule for delegates of many states. This is why Republican nominee collected enough delegates so soon.

A certain type of DNC leaders started fussing about the race taking too long and hurting the party. Their remedy was to put pressure on the nominee who was one percent behind to give up. The one percent was not a fair and undisputed lead. It was artificially produced by spoiler votes and by nullifying the Democratic voters of Florida and Michigan. Yet this group pressed relentlessly.

To protect the party from destruction was their rally to the flag. You would expect these people so desirous of an early conclusion of the Democratic race would have previously proposed to adopt the Winner Take All rule which Republicans have. The bet is they never raised the issue. They invented so many rules and made so many changes to the Democratic nomination since the last election but never did they suggest that Winner Take All rule of republicans ought to be adopted for a speedy conclusion of the race. Never.

Do not think they found it beneath their dignity to adopt republican rules. They did adopt others. For example the introduction of caucuses into states where there were none.

In 1996 both parties had primaries only in every state except Iowa. No caucuses anywhere else. Look at the bizarre picture that ensues for states beside Iowa in the following elections. The thing is unbelievable. And it is done with utmost low profile. Bloggers are under the impression that these horrible caucuses have been in place since a long time and they should be abolished. To the contrary the monstrosities have only recently been introduced to replace the traditional primaries.

In 2000 Republican party suddenly has caucuses in three more states. And Republican nominee Mr. Bush has his biggest victories against Mr. McCain in those newly introduced three caucus states.

In 2000 Democratic party still has no caucuses beside Iowa because there is no reason on earth for introducing them in place of primaries.

In 2004 Republicans have increased the caucus states to fifteen. That year candidacy of Bush is assured and therefore Karl Rove does not need them. So why does he increase the number? To provide cover for Democratic rule makers. To provide the camouflage so people wont notice something strange in Democratic party converting 20 primaries into caucuses for no visible reason especially when republicans have only three. In 2004 Democratic Primaries of 20 states or territories are made caucuses; including Michigan and Puerto Rico. But Texas is still primary as it always was.

In 2008 Democratic party rule makers make some more changes. Puerto Rico, Michigan and some island territories are changed back from caucus to primary. But Texas or rather a third of Texas delegates are detached from the primary and are made subject to caucuses.

Texas case is a real give away because it invalidates the lame excuse of caucuses being cheaper. Texas Primary is paid for any way. Texas case has a second give away. It provides definitive proof for the claim that caucuses can be hijacked. When in the same state, with the same democratic voters, one nominee wins the primary but the other wins the caucus, and the difference is no less than 16 points, you know at once that the caucus has been hijacked. Texas case has a third give away. You point at its message as meaning that the caucus has been hijacked and you wait for the response from responsible people. Those who counteract this conclusion with its opposite, those who claim that more likely the primary has been hijacked while the caucus has expressed true vote of the state democrats, those are the psychopaths next door, the sociopath among you. To expose these masters of disguise, this fifth column among Democrats is the biggest benefit of the Texas caucus done in parallel to the Texas primary.

Now that you know caucuses were introduced first by the republicans in 2000 and later imitated by Democratic rule makers in 2004, think of those who in March came out in panic and agitated for one of the nominees to give up because prolonging the race would damage the party. Think if they were sincere. Think if they were what they appeared to be. Think if their real motive is not to damage the Democratic party and make it go through a crushing defeat in November and then be taken over by the fifth column which by next elections will be called Neo-Libs, and bloggers will tire of listing its similarities to Neo-cons: same glazed eyes, same fanatical clich parrots, same intolerance, harshness, shrillness, same cult like demonstrations, foaming, fainting as at faith healing shows.

Think of these people and wonder why they never wanted to adopt the rule of Winner Takes all the delegates.

Here is why they were in dread of that rule. Here is how in these primaries and caucuses neither the voters nor the vote counters but the rule makers have decided the outcome.

If Winner of a state takes all the delegates of that state, if that were the rule adopted by Democratic rule makers just as Republicans have it, the results would be as follows. Think the most repeated mantra of these nominations, think where momentum pundits would be if this were the rule.

Winner Take All Democratic delegate allocation: with the existing vote count.

January:

HC takes 335 delegates of NH, MI, FL, all primaries
BO takes 115 delegates of IO, NV, SC all caucuses except SC with large black population.

See where the real momentum is. The momentum we have been hearing about was created by no more than 90 thousand votes in IO for BO. Just 90 thousand for Obama against 70 thousand for Clinton. Momentum. Nothing compared to millions of Florida and Michigan.

February 5:

HC takes 1028 delegates of AS, AZ, AR, CA, MA, NJ, NM, NY, OK, TN. All primaries except Samoa and NM.
BO takes 687 delegates of AL, CT, DE, GA, IL, MO, UT primaries and
AK, CO, ID, KA, MN, ND, caucuses

Why could the Samoa caucus not be hijacked? No Rush ditto heads there, no confederate slave power, no neo cons. A handful would be enough to hijack the caucus but they lacked.
Why could the New Mexico caucus not be hijacked? Because it was caucus in name only. Thanks to the vice chair of state party the caucus was conducted very decently. The cult caravan of zealots had no opportunity of hijacking it.

Wonder why Illinois and Utah were not caucuses? Because there was no need to hijack there. For different reasons. In every one of these primaries, a factor was at hand making it possible to subvert the democratic votes. Either black voters were in big numbers or Klan voters. What an alliance of the chicken and the fox.

Imagine these caucuses and primaries were fixed sometime in 2006 when BO was not yet in the picture for the democratic base. But Rove had it all planned. Had BO not compromised himself possibly by purchase of that Chicago house for 1.6 million dollars, then Rove might pick Bill Richardson for victor of nomination and loser of November. In that case, all states with substantial Hispanic population would be made primaries but other states would be made caucuses to hijack.

Feb 9 to 19:

HC takes zero delegates.
BO takes 454 delegates of LA, Dems Abroad, DC, MD, VA, WI primaries and NE, VI, WA, ME, HA caucuses.

Karl Rove had it easy: where large numbers of blacks vote, let it remain primary as before. Where this is not the case, make it caucus to be hijacked by mobile cult caravans trained in the summer of 2007.

March:

HC takes 481 delegates of OH, RI, TX primaries.
BO takes 115 delegates of VT, MS, primaries and WY, ND, CO, caucuses.

Why Vermont, though New England, was left a primary? Because Dean was sure he could deliver it. And MS must have enough black votes to delude.

April:

HC takes 158 delegates of PA primary
BO takes 4 delegates of Guam caucus or convention.

May:

HC takes 151 delegates of IN, WV, KY primaries
BO takes 180 delegates of NC, OR primaries and AK convention or caucus.

June:

HC takes 70 delegates of PR and SD primaries
BO takes 16 delegates of MT primary.

HC took 20 primaries and 2 Caucuses
BO took 18 primaries and 18 caucuses.

How are the cumulative totals by each month? How goes the momentum from January to June every month?

BO cumulative: 115, 802, 1256, 1371, 1375, 1555, 1571

HC cumulative: 335, 1363, 1363, 1844, 2002, 2153, 2223

How many delegates is the lead margin of HC by end of every month?
220 561 107 473 627 598 652

And that is real momentum. 2223 pledged delegates for HC with margin of 652 in June. That is really the popular endorsement, the public vote which super delegates cannot overturn because their number is less than the margin. Because nomination is decided before the super delegates vote. In this picture, there is no need to play psychology with super delegates week after weak from February to June.

Friends, take good note. These are results of these same votes that were cast from January to June in those same states by those same rules, fair or foul, sincere or spoiler. Same rules except one; this is the result if just one rule is otherwise: instead of proportional allocation of delegates, this is the result if the rule is winner take all per state. It is not a wild rule, a wild fantasy. It is not an utopia since it is the rule of republicans in many states. It is not a rule to have been rejected out of hand if the present DNC sincerely cared for an early conclusion of the nomination process as they have been claiming from March to June. It is the rule they ought to have adopted most naturally. The very same votes cast from January to June produce 600 delegates margin for Clinton if the rule is winner take all. The very same votes produce under 200 delegate margin for Obama if winner take all is not the rule. Truly this time neither voters nor vote counters have chosen a candidate: rule makers have decided the outcome. All that is missing to complete the case for RICO is a whistleblower to come out with tape of a meeting between Democratic Rule makers and Republican strategist.

From the results of that rule you see why this DNC did not adopt this rule of winner take all. But you also see that rule makers have decided the candidate, not the voters, not even the spoiler voters.

There might still be an excuse for them; they might claim that a prolonged nomination all the way to the convention is good for the party; it is good publicity, it energizes the party base for the general election. But DNC top brass threw away that excuse in March when they came out putting pressure on un-pledged delegates to become pledged quickly lest prolonged race divide the party. Had this fear been sincere, the obvious solution of it would be winner take all as the republican party has it.

There was no excuse for forcing the pledged delegates to take sides before the convention. That was done and with complicity of mass media, monstrosity of the request was smoothed out; it was tantamount to saying Puerto Rico should not wait till June to vote; an absurd demand.

Every one of the top brass that publicly warned unpledged delegates not to dare to overturn the popular wish might with equal injustice request that Puerto Rico should not overturn the popular wish of those 90 thousand voters in Iowa who voted BO. In fact, they might with equal gravity, given media complicity, claim that once 90 thousand of Iowa voted for BO, no states afterwards should overturn this popular demand. Every subsequent state should respect the popular wish of the previous one. In essence this would mean the first three voters of Iowa decide the race and no voter after them should overturn the result of the first three voters of Iowa. No words are sufficient to highlight the absurdity: it is like saying the first three voting Americans decide the race and voting must stop right there because subsequent voters would be overturning the wish of earliest majority.



e. Miracle of IOWA

momentum of 90,000 votes

Take a closer look at Iowa. Look at it from a year before January of 2008. There is an anomaly there. It is the Rovian singularity essential for the momentum.

National polls from January of 2005 to January of 2008 show Clinton as sole victor for 2008. Always above 50%. The next Democrat is at single digits, be it Gore or Kerry in 2006 or Edwards in 2007. So the national polls, but not so Iowa polls. In Iowa Clinton is not top candidate. Polls show BO ahead of Clinton. Take note this is Iowa, not Illinois. Why should Democrats of Iowa from January of 2007 go for BO? And when the voting day arrives, in January of 2008, BO gets 90,000 votes in Iowa caucuses. It is done. Media has its staple talking point: momentum... there is no stopping...

Iowa could be on the same list as Florida and Michigan, and declared null and void. Rules and Bylaws committee could easily do that. No big deal and would deserve no big fuss because in 2008 January Iowa caucus compares to Florida primary thus:

Iowa: 2 million eligible voters; 236,000 voted Democrat; 119,000 voted Rep. Turnout 16%.

Florida: 12.5 million eligible voters; 1.7 million voted Democrat; 1.9 m voted Rep. Turnout 34%.

Democrat votes in Florida are eight times Iowa.
In fact Dem votes in Florida and Michigan are 2.3 million while Dem votes of all other states voting in January are under 1.2 million.

Total eligible voters of Florida and Michigan are 20 million while those of all other January states add to under ten million. These are the numbers behind the Rovian momentum strategy: take Florida and Michigan out of the picture; a thing impossible without bipartisan underhand cooperation. Could not be done without coordination between RBC of Democrats and Florida Governor Charles Crist of Republicans.

But let us look closer at what has happened in Iowa.

First point is the difference between 236 K voted Dem and 119 K voted Rep. Why the difference? No perfect spin possible so this was just passed over by the media. Had there been no Rovian singularity in Iowa, there would be no reason for Dem voters to be twice as many as Rep voters.

In Iowa caucus of 2000 about 86,000 voted rep while only 61,000 voted Rep.

For whom did the 236,000 Dem voters vote in Iowa 2008?

90,000 voted BO
71,000 voted Edwards
68,000 voted HC
4,000 voted Bill Richardson.

If the 86,000 democrats who voted in 2000 are among the 140,000 who voted for Edwards and HC, who are the 90,000 voters of BO?

Look at the difference between Dem and Rep voters; Dem voters are twice Rep voters; But in Iowa presidential election of 2004 Bush won with 752,000 votes to Kerry 742,000. Democrats in Iowa are not twice republicans; they are less than Republicans. So you see the cross over phenomenon in full bloom. 90,000 Reps voting BO; such is the engine of that famous momentum; 90,000 alien votes. And for this engine to move the vehicle, the much bigger engines of Florida and Michigan pulling in the other direction have to be disabled.

BO margin over HC in Iowa is just 20,000 votes. Media calls that momentum.

HC margin over total of all others in Michigan is 90,000 votes. HC margin over BO in Florida is 300,000 votes. Media calls that
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e. Miracle of IOWA

momentum of 90,000 votes

Take a closer look at Iowa. Look at it from a year before January of 2008. There is an anomaly there. It is the Rovian singularity essential for the momentum.

National polls from January of 2005 to January of 2008 show Clinton as sole victor for 2008. Always above 50%. The next Democrat is at single digits, be it Gore or Kerry in 2006 or Edwards in 2007. So the national polls, but not so Iowa polls. In Iowa Clinton is not top candidate. Polls show BO ahead of Clinton. Take note this is Iowa, not Illinois. Why should Democrats of Iowa from January of 2007 go for BO? And when the voting day arrives, in January of 2008, BO gets 90,000 votes in Iowa caucuses. It is done. Media has its staple talking point: momentum... there is no stopping...

Iowa could be on the same list as Florida and Michigan, and declared null and void. Rules and Bylaws committee could easily do that. No big deal and would deserve no big fuss because in 2008 January Iowa caucus compares to Florida primary thus:

Iowa: 2 million eligible voters; 236,000 voted Democrat; 119,000 voted Rep. Turnout 16%.

Florida: 12.5 million eligible voters; 1.7 million voted Democrat; 1.9 m voted Rep. Turnout 34%.

Democrat votes in Florida are eight times Iowa.
In fact Dem votes in Florida and Michigan are 2.3 million while Dem votes of all other states voting in January are under 1.2 million.

Total eligible voters of Florida and Michigan are 20 million while those of all other January states add to under ten million. These are the numbers behind the Rovian momentum strategy: take Florida and Michigan out of the picture; a thing impossible without bipartisan underhand cooperation. Could not be done without coordination between RBC of Democrats and Florida Governor Charles Crist of Republicans.

But let us look closer at what has happened in Iowa.

First point is the difference between 236 K voted Dem and 119 K voted Rep. Why the difference? No perfect spin possible so this was just passed over by the media. Had there been no Rovian singularity in Iowa, there would be no reason for Dem voters to be twice as many as Rep voters.

In Iowa caucus of 2000 about 86,000 voted rep while only 61,000 voted Rep.

For whom did the 236,000 Dem voters vote in Iowa 2008?

90,000 voted BO
71,000 voted Edwards
68,000 voted HC
4,000 voted Bill Richardson.

If the 86,000 democrats who voted in 2000 are among the 140,000 who voted for Edwards and HC, who are the 90,000 voters of BO?

Look at the difference between Dem and Rep voters; Dem voters are twice Rep voters; But in Iowa presidential election of 2004 Bush won with 752,000 votes to Kerry 742,000. Democrats in Iowa are not twice republicans; they are less than Republicans. So you see the cross over phenomenon in full bloom. 90,000 Reps voting BO; such is the engine of that famous momentum; 90,000 alien votes. And for this engine to move the vehicle, the much bigger engines of Florida and Michigan pulling in the other direction have to be disabled.

BO margin over HC in Iowa is just 20,000 votes. Media calls that momentum.

HC margin over total of all others in Michigan is 90,000 votes. HC margin over BO in Florida is 300,000 votes. Media calls that nothing at all. As if media is under jurisdiction of Rules and Bylaws Committee of Democratic Party.

Apart from big difference in population, eligible voters and turnout, the key difference of Iowa from both FL and MI is this: Republican vote in FL and MI is not half of Dem vote; it is higher than Dem vote; that means Reps in FL and MI are accounted for, voting in their own primary. But not so in Iowa.

In Michigan 7.3 million eligible voters; 600,000 vote Dem; 868,000 vote Rep; turnout 20%.

Not so in Iowa. In Iowa, 90,000 reps vote on Dem ballot and they all vote BO. You can right now call every single registered democrat voter of Iowa and get their vote on the cell phone; you will be left with 90,000 unaccounted for. They were not registered democrats.

In Florida HC gets 867,000, BO gets 572.000, Edwards gets 243,000. Proportions are similar to Michigan and Puerto Rico.

The two annulled primaries provide the nearest thing to the national average because Republicans had no need of crossing over to garble these two primaries of Democrats.

But why was Iowa an anomaly throughout 2007? Look at the polls for four quarters of the year:

Margin of Hillary over BO in four quarters of 2007
National: +13 +7 +18 + 22
Clinton is ahead throughout the year despite all deliberate or other errors in the poll.

Iowa: -12 +2 -1 +4

Why would Iowa so consistently poll HC lower throughout 2007; why in January of 2007 HC is 12 points behind BO? What can Iowa know about the nominees that the rest of the nation does not know? And when it is voting time in January 2008, a full 90,000 from among 2 million eligible voters go and vote for BO. It is not as if Iowans are interested with big turnout.

Margin of Clinton over BO: four quarters of 2007
New Hampshire: +1 +14 +18 +19

In January of 2007 someone has operated on NH but somehow that singularity has failed after the first quarter of the year. To find out what has happened there, you would need to look at biographies of the pollsters, strange changes in personnel, suppressed polling companies who probably later recovered. Here too Rovian is the word.

f. From Tories to Slave Power to Neo-cons and soon to Neo-Libs

There is a link missing in the continuity or evolution from Tories in the North to Neo-Conservatives of the Bible Belt Red Confederacy States in the South. How did Tories of the North become Slave Power of the South?

If not defeated in this Democratic convention, the psychopath fifth column inside the Democratic party will capture full control and soon be known as Neo-Liberals, making people marvel at the amazing similarity of these fanatics who are taking control of the Democratic Party in 2008 to those fanatics who took control of the Republican party in 1974.

Slave Power is antecedent of not only the Klan but also of the Evangelist Adventists deluded with imminent second coming, Bible Belt fraud and ultimately Neo-Conservatives. But what is antecedent of the Slave Power? Certainly not the founding fathers.

Reverend Wright came close but not quiet. The fault was not in the DNA of the Republic. In the constitution was a defect that allowed entry to the virus in the next generation. The only fault was in giving respite of twenty years for slave owners to dissolve the enterprise out of their own humanity. It was a harmless weakness then but for three terms of John Adams during which the self exiled Tories returned incognito and concentrated on sites of that weakness as infection agents concentrate around wounds.

Do refresh your memories on pattern of advance of the Slave Power despite all the wisdom of honest men of the North, despite clear language of the Constitution, despite all sanity and common sense.

American Anti-Slavery Examiner 1836, by Angelina Grimke: Heard you not the thunders of Divine anger, as the distant roar of the cannon came rolling onward, from the Texian country, where Protestant American Rebels are fighting with Mexican Republicans--for what? For the re-establishment of "slavery"; yes! of American slavery in the bosom of a Catholic Republic, where that system of robbery, violence, and wrong, had been legally abolished for twelve years. Yes! citizens of the United States, after plundering Mexico of her land, are now engaged in deadly conflict, for the privilege of fastening chains, and collars, and manacles--upon whom? upon the subjects of some foreign prince? No! upon native born American Republican citizens, although the fathers of these very men declared to the whole world, while struggling to free themselves from the three penny taxes of an English king, that they believed it to be a "self-evident" truth that "all men" were created equal, and had an "unalienable right to liberty".

This then is how Tories got from Canada to the South. After a brief period of hiding and flight they returned from Canada and penetrated Mexican territories to carve out a Lebensraum for the Slave Power. They succeeded behind a self made fog of Second Coming agitation from 1833 to the delusion of 1843. Pathetic members of Tory rank and file mesmerized New England with the imminent coming of Christ while their deeply dangerous masterminds prepared Mexican wars.

Today it is called the Bible belt. These are the same wretches who found license in the Bible for their slavery as now they find license in the Bible for all their abominations.

Though most Psychopaths are pathetic freaks, a few of them are deeply dangerous and they all move in concert as dittos repeatedly demonstrate. Psychopaths are deeply dangerous because in their pathetic stage they do not ring alarm bells. They go through situations unperceived like ghosts going through castle walls. There is no monstrosity they wont commit if allowed opportunity and there is no opportunity mankind wont allow them because they look most pathetic. Their deeply dangerous ones know that it is over with their deceitful mastery if the Republic ever recovers a healthy American Psychiatrists Association who will certainly diagnose these freaks as mentally deranged and state laws will have to bar them from voting. What then awaits them is carefree life in mental sanatoriums but don't think Karl Rove will settle for that with thanks to you without another attempt at world domination through guns of America.

g. Psychopaths and Homeland Security, Your Honor

According to Homeland Security Ordnances after the serendipitous 911so speedily come into effect, four percent of Americans are to be recruited as informants to spy on the rest of America.

The four percent of Homeland Security has a scientific basis to it. Martha Stout 2005 The Psychopath Next Door says four percent is the minimum proportion of hard core psychopaths in America. Even Legacy Rep bloggers have come to see that the hard core of Rep base is psychopathic serial killers. Dem Bloggers say the cult-like campaign teams of Axelrot are same as the Rep base psychopaths, glazed eyes, screams, foam, fainting, all like in faith healing crowds.

Robert Canup says these cultists, serial killers, fanatics, are but bottom of the barrel. For whatever mysterious reason, psychiatrists are covering for the fact that top of the barrel or Socially Adept Psychopaths, SAPs, go for careers like judge, prison warden, doctor, even psychiatrist.

Robert Canup: "... It never seems to occur to most people that the perfect place for a psychopathic serial killer to hide in society is as a prosecutor or a judge; but I assure you that it occurs to the Psychopaths of the world. ...John had one overriding dream; to become a judge. Here was the greatest reward possible for a psychopath: to put on the royal robes of the judiciary - to become a demigod - to have others plead to Him and beg His indulgence, to have everyone rise in awe and respect when He entered the room, for His word to literally be law, to be able to create an almost endless amount of human misery, just because He could, to punish summarily anyone who, quite correctly, displayed contempt for Him, to have the power of life and death over people, to be granted the only royal title available in the United States: "Your Honor". ... How brilliant of his predecessors to slip that one past the watchful eyes of the founding fathers - who sought to establish an egalitarian society free of the mental disease of royalty. There are, he reflected, no "Your Majesties" or "Your Excellencies" in this country, but we quietly fooled everyone into accepting "Your Honors".'

Also Robert Canup: ... It is difficult to believe that huge parts of society have been built with the guidance of the mentally ill; but they have been. The average person is heavily invested in doing things the way Psychopaths want them done, and is unaware that the things that the S.A.Ps have them doing are psychopathic. ... What evidence do I have that S.A.Ps are running things? Here is an example: Almost every newspaper in the United States has a S.A.P. monitoring the letters to the editor section. This is because the letter to the editor section of a newspaper is one outlet of the truth, and needs to be monitored to insure that no one accidentally stumbles across any part of what is actually going on. ... try sending letters - containing the phrase "plausible lies" or which touch on the existence of Socially Adept Psychopaths - to the editor of your local newspaper, to see if any of them get published. I have done so repeatedly. None of them have ever been published. ... The S.A.Ps have a problem, and it is a terrible problem: there is no way for them to control the Internet.

But they are working on the problem to which 911 was half their solution so far.

h. Karl Rove has beaten us all alas.

Give the devil his due, said General Wesley Clark for the evil genius. Karl Rove prevented candidacy of Clark in 2004. It would be a sure winner ticket for the Democratic party and all the wars of aggression would have ended four years before. Even a war in Georgia would not have started if Neo-cons were not still in the White House. We would be watching the Olympic games in China with easy minds and contented hearts.

But as it is, the Neo-conservatives for whom we and every one else is subhuman, and they puffed up with the incredible achievement of having the White House in their possession and these urchins of Slave Power bursting with envy at each gold medal deservedly won by China or each silver medal won by a Papists as they call the Latin and Irish and Poles or each bronze medal won by a Nigger as they call Africans, these latter day Tories will fan the flames of war they have set to several sovereign states and are dying to set fire to many more nations, all the while we are rendered impotent spectators of psychopaths' orgy and we are left with nothing to lose but our good manners and we dread of losing them if in a fit of temper and at long last we call these creatures what they call us.

It is just figure of speech to say that General Wesley Clark lost the nomination race of 2004. Not general Clark but the Democratic Party is the loser and with it the Republic is the loser and far off populations are paying the price.

For subversion of the Republic, one or both political parties must first be subverted. A political party cannot be subverted by Adventist foaming zealots without first subverting the American Psychiatrists association so that the mentally deranged lunatics can escape detection. But still, if there is yet an honest psychiatrist left in the US, let him find out which of the Democratic Party Leaders and Elected officers have never mentioned the name of Wesley Clark since January of 2005. And then let that psychiatrist explain why they are the very same ones accused by the wailing democratic party base for being the fifth column hell-bent on subverting the party.

Having thus contributed my two cents to the rapidly sinking capital of the Republic, I wish you the reward that your hearts merit.

Thank you.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 02:03 PM
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214. So when did these rules get shit canned?
Let's see.

Everyday is a new day of bullshit Hillary stories that posted for one reason.

Flame bait.

And wow what a fucking shocker ..... it's pretty much the SAME people posting. The SAME people that trashed Clinton and attack her supporters in primary. And the SAME people jump in on those threads and start the SAME shit (both sides) over and over and over.

And WOW! They're STILL allowed to post!

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MrMickeysMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 10:49 PM
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226. Here's a bar of soap
Everywhere I've read tonight, you have such a potty mouth.

Don't bait.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 05:33 PM
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PeacePuppy Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-08 08:49 AM
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216. Reach Out to Hillary Voters (From a Hillary Fan)
I voted for Hillary. And I didn't know much about Obama when he was nominated, so I set out to find out who he was.

I was impressed by what I found, and I posted it online in digital scrapbook form. You can see it at http://obamascrapbook.com .

Let's reach out to other Hillary voters and help them embrace this wonderful candidate, Obama.

He has my complete support now, and I'm trying to spread the word to other voters that he will make a great president.

We HAVE to defeat McCain. Period.

My website has had over 11,000 vistors in the last two weeks since it's been online, and the average viewer spends more than eleven minutes looking through it. I think it's a valuable tool. Help me spread the word. Email it to other Hillary Supporters. From the feeback I've gotten, I think it's helping the cause. See what you think.

http://obamascrapbook.com

Thank you.
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SusanaMontana41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 11:16 PM
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217. Hear hear!
Rules sound reasonable to this Democrat who can't wait to vote for our first black president!

YES WE CAN!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 08:41 AM
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 10:14 PM
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220. I think Democratic Underground is going to remain the party's "underground"
Let's be honest. A lot of our concerns still remain unaddressed on the national level. That means we've got to stay vigilant and keep pushing to make our voices heard by other Democrats.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 10:13 PM
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223. Tough cookies Cindy Sheehan supporters!!!
HA HA!!!
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MrMickeysMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 10:47 PM
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225. oh boy...
Why bait? I mean, come on...
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 09:19 AM
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Artful_Dodger Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 07:19 PM
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227. Reaaaallllyyyy...then I'm gonna vote....Republican
:rant: Why? You wanna know why? 'kay.

Im voting Republican because 1% of the population controls 80% of the wealth in this country and I LIKE it that way!

Im voting Republican because I LOVE children. Until theyre actually born. Then screw em. They can look out for themselves.

Im voting Republican because I believe in one-nation-under-one-blond-blue-eyed-Jesus-God-Amen! Heil! Umnevermind.

Im voting Republican because I intend to follow the example of our candidate and marry a much hotter, rich, 2nd wife. (Dont worry. I, too, will wait 4 weeks after the divorce to get re-married. Thats because Im a family man.)

Im voting Republican because I want to get over $100,000 in campaign contributions from people responsible for the Savings & Loan disaster (Charles Keating); and know that Ill vote with my conscience.

Im voting Republican because I want to forget how many houses I have.

Im voting Republican because Ive been in jail for 6 years and that makes me a leader.

Im voting Republican because I believe that the guy that graduates dead last in medical school is still a doctor. (John McCain, 1958 Annapolis Grad, 894 out of 899)

Im voting Republican because clean water and air are silly luxuries. Big businesses know whats best, just let em go!

Im voting Republican because gas in my town is costs 1/3 of what it does in Europe, but its still too much. Drill more dammit! And bring me a Hummer!

Im voting Republican because its the lesser evil. Better a chick as a VP than a black president. She can cook and clean. Hell just steal the hubcaps off Air Force One.

Im voting Republican because after the last 8 years I believe that the economy, foreign policy and world opinion of the U.S. hasnt QUITE hit bottombut we CAN get there!

McCain & Palin 08!!
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kblonder Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 09:30 PM
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228. Palin Countdown
The right wing had a website that showed a countdown for how long it took Obama to visit Iraq. How about the same idea showing how long it takes Palin to do her first national press conference/interview? Something like this:

How long will it take Gov. Palin to come out of hiding and face the National press? Surely all of America can agree this is one qualification for being ready on day one (or day 2, 3, 4 and counting ...).

Days:Hours:Minutes:Seconds:10ths of Seconds (ie, a running clock counting down from the day/time she announced she was McCaine's running mate - starting Aug. 29, time X)

I, myself, have no webpage making skills so if someone likes this idea please run with it.

Thanks!
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 01:46 PM
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229. Now that BOTH conventions are over,
can you give election discussions tighter borders? Can GDP really be for posts about the presidential election, and GD be free to discuss everything else going on in the nation and the world?

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mimir Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 02:08 PM
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230. DON'T LET UP
The little men behind the curtain (cuz there's more than one carney hustler pulling the levers back there) were able to foist the bastard child of Howdy Doody and Alfred E. Newman on us twice, over the bones of two vastly superior intellects. I think back to the late great Bill Hicks and his routine about the other Kennedy assassination film. You might recall it - the one where Hicks talks about a newly inaugurated president being whisked back to a secret screening room at the White House and shown a 8mm clip that looks like Zapruder, but is shot from another vantage point (suspiciously like the grassy knoll). The film ends, the lights go up, and one of the cigar-chomping fat cats in the room asks the new President, "Any questions?" I have had the feeling for almost 8 years now that some of those same cigar aficionados brought us the Shrub on a bet (ala "Pygmalion," "My Fair Lady" or "Trading Places"). Picture it: the boys-who-own-everything sitting in a real leather and polished wood private club somewhere and Fat Man #1 turns to Fat Man #2 and says, "I bet you a dollar we can get these chumps (that would be us) to elect a totally clueless bum straight from the cast of Animal House." And Fat Man 1 collected his dollar (and maybe they went double or nothing on the 2004 election). Problem for us is that we are now suffering the economical, environmental, and foreign policy chaos resulting from these two experiments. For metaphorical illustrations, see the Three Stooges versions of this kind of wagering, e.g. the pie fights at the end of "Hoi Polloi" (Columbia Short Subject 1933) and "Half Wits Holiday" (Columbia Short Subject 1947)and "Pies and Guys" (Columbia Short Subject 1958). The Stooges figured they could feed us the same fare three times, and I betting that the Fat Guys in the smoke-filled club are certain they can run this scam again with someone even more outrageously under-qualified. Wasn't it Jefferson who said the people get the government they deserve? And Benjamin Franklin said, "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become more corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." If we let this lightweight become VP, what will that say about us? In less than a decade we will have gone from Rhodes Scholar to confused frat boy cheerleader to hapless hockey mom. Getting a kid to the rink on time is certainly sufficient prior experience, don't ya think?
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mscuedawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 11:07 PM
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232. This woulda been nice to know an hour ago...
....but I'm ready for the fight!
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aexitado Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 11:27 PM
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233. k & R n/t
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 04:42 PM
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234. ah, skinner--a man so wise beyond his years
(thank you for giving us this wonderful place)
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Darryl Smithburg Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 08:26 AM
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235. An Amazing Anthem For The Obama Campaign
Hi Friends and Fellow Democrats,

I recently came across this on Youtube.
Please watch this music video that couldn't be a better anthem endorsing Barack Obama.
I feel that it completely sums up our concerns and hopes for a brighter future.

link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLgJVBoR_zs

Let's get it out there to help make the change!


Thank you for your time

Sincerely,

Darryl Smithburg

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itzdaun Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 04:52 PM
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236. The Clarion Fund
Edited on Tue Sep-16-08 04:56 PM by itzdaun
I'm newly registered, although I do read here all day every day.
We live in Central Florida. Today my young daughter received an unsolicited DVD called "Obsession: Radical Islam's War Against the West", in the mail today from NP group "The Clarion Fund".
Is this group known to target young, newly registered voters?



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dem75 Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-08 02:35 PM
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237. Vote for Obama
Go Obama!
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dem75 Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 10:46 AM
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238. First presidential debate
Obama was great
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crunchgarcia Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 05:55 PM
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240. We're SOOOOOO close!
After Thursday, hopefully we see a significant swing...

:rofl:
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GodsMercy Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 03:58 AM
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241. Reponse
I found out recently, that I was attacked 4 years ago on this forum! I was downright insulted here, and I never insulted anyone. I have responded to the insults on my own forum with a link to the post made by DU members: http://www.godsmercy.net/topic/406

I am too new to make my own thread here, so I'm just responding to the first one I see. If a moderator sees this then please go to my forum and see what I'm talking about. I would appreciate if these blatant attacks against me were removed from your archive. Thank you!
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 10:33 AM
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242. You're a Bush supporter, what did you expect?
You're supporting a power-hungry warmongering liar that should have been impeached and imprisioned years ago.

Why? "Because he's against abortion"?

Yeah, that's a really good reason for an American to take. "I don't care what he does with my country as long as he makes our laws in accordance with God's laws".

That's exactly what we're fighting with radical Islam. And it's exactly why the theocratical Republicans running this country will never be able to stop radical Islam.
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 12:38 PM
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243. You wrote a letter to the editor that was commented on. Grow a thicker skin.
If you don't want your opinion discussed, don't write letters to the editor and don't create a website full of your opinions. Once your thought leaves your person and is made public, it is up for discussion.
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dem75 Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 12:36 PM
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244. US Presidential Candidate Momentum
Please take part in our study on U.S. Presidential Candidate Momentum by answering the short survey posted at this link:

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=GUHQIWXS7NhLcr5QL...

We are using the survey to track the momentum of each candidate throughout the election season. We'll issue the same questionnaire several times over the next few weeks until election day to see what sort of fluctuations happen over the course of the campaigns.

Thank you in advance for your participation.
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paulthomson Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 07:45 PM
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245. Thanks for this post
Well said!
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 12:36 PM
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246. As my Sophomores would say, "You Da' Man!" ,Skinner!
It's been a long time since Buster & Daves's in Philly. AKA The Dark Time.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 01:13 AM
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248. *That* mean we get to ignore people of substance & vision...
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JitterbugPerfume Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:57 AM
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249. once again
Skinner has shown his maturity and smarts.
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 05:20 PM
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250. Skinner, I *** LOVE*** these common-sense ground rules...
See, this is why you are the DU proprietor!

:thumbsup:
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melanie1 Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 10:41 AM
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255. please watch this obama video, it will inspire you
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raymondstclaire Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 03:35 AM
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256.  OVER 64, 000 VIEW OBAMA ROCK THE VOTE AMERICA by Miami's JK CITIZEN
How about a story on this young man who
did what MTV and Rock The Vote couldn't do...

Please see story and video link:


OVER 64, 000 VIEW OBAMA ROCK THE VOTE AMERICA by JK CITIZEN

Miami (PRWEB) Oct 26, 2008 After several weeks and over 64,000 views on YouTube, JK Citizens Rock The Vote America has caught on internationally. A search on Google brought us to over 3,900 postings. The US, Europe, Asia, and even Sri Lanka.

So just who is JK Citizen?

The Miami based Hip Roc artist was first launched onto the scene after
his video debut in September. It was a simple idea. Write a song. Make a video. Post it on YouTube and a few other video websites. Get young people to vote.

So what could go wrong (or right)?

JK found himself in the limelight and surrounded by debate after what some have perceived as his portrayal of Presidential Nominee Barack Obama and the newest accusations that this is an attempt to swing the vote Obamas way. Some political insiders say that the coined silent song can have significant influence over the amount of young voters.

In a recent telephone interview JK Citizen responded
I wrote the song to get young people to vote and not to portray either candidate but obviously the color of my skin has something to do with it.

If Senator McCain was my skin color, then we wouldnt be having this discussion. If you listen to the lyrics its all about making a change and the power of rocking your vote.

Most important of all, its about letting both candidates know that no matter who gets elected, that its time for change and that they have to make it right Mr. President.

In the midst of overwhelming controversy as well as support JK is keeping a positive attitude and an unbiased opinion. He is currently performing several shows all to raise voting awareness and voter registration.

When asked about how all this is turning out JK said Its all about turning a negative into a positive and remembering all the people who understand this is our world and our future. Stand up and vote America. Lead by example and be proud to set a great example for the rest of the world.

JK Citizens Rock The Vote America can be found everywhere on the net
or at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBrKceZXoeE

The song can also be found on his debut album Roc Me scheduled for release in December 08. For bookings, fan club or general information please contact:

ISOLDI MULTIMEDIA

contactus@isoldimultimedia.com
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