Are they STILL talking about the "popular vote"?

[mudesi]

Maybe it made sense to use that lie before she conceded, but it doesn't make sense now.

There is no popular vote. Caucus states are not counted.

OK?

And she lost it mathematically after Wisconsin.

OK?


There really is no need for this, former Clinton loyalists. We don't have to convince you anymore because she isn't running anymore. That's why she isn't pushing these things anymore, so why are you?

You have to let it go. I'm just saying.

[DURHAM D]

1. Enjoy trying to win in November without 50% of Democrats. eom

[madfloridian]

2. Okay, so if you are not allowed to count the popular vote...

you won't support the party? Or Obama?

Fascinating logic. I'll be damned.

Then you just go ahead and count that non-existent vote if it makes you happy.

[musicblind]

43. Honestly I think you have the right idea madfloridian

let the Hillary supporters count that vote. It in NO WAY makes him an illegitimate nominee because we aren't counting popular votes. It DOES however make the Hillary supporters feel as if their time was not wasted. I think it is a concession that makes sense. There are methods of counting it that show her ahead and methods that show him ahead. But I think the best thing to do is to ask "is it worth it?" to ask "if giving this concession means THAT much to them and in no way hurts Obama... why not... why continue to be dicks." I think you hit the nail on the head with your last line there. If only more people would realize that possibility. :hug:

[PBS Poll-435]

3. They sure do love twisting the knife...

With a big ol' "unity" smile on their faces.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

7. Unity. Love it or leave it!

:grr:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

4. Do you think 50% of democrats are going to support McCain?

Do you really think democrats are that stupid?

[bunnies]

10. yep. 50% of Democrats are morans according to Durham D.

priceless. Never mind the facts. Fits still need to be thrown. :eyes:

[TahitiNut]

5. Utter horse shit.

:shrug:

[ampad]

6. LOL

Why do tell? Because of a post on a message board? priceless!

[MercutioATC]

8. Guess you don't read the polls...Obama's already beating McCain.

...because most Dems are more committed to their ideals than they are to a specific candidate...

And for that, I salute them.

[knixphan]

18. seconded.

:patriot:

[symbolman]

9. Do the Unicorns bite on your planet?

if you believe she has at minimum 18 million SUPPORTERS you are delusional, they are peeling off by the minute, to back a winner.. The vocal fringe wing she speaks to are just static, and in a NATION of 350 Million those whackjobs are a drop on the bucket, Obama is exciting more Americans of all partisan ilk and is Uniting our country..

Sorry, but they are spit on a hot griddle, get used to it..

[EFerrari]

11. LOL!

A small percentage of Hillary's older women voters are slow to come over. How did that get to be 50% of Democrats?

[SoonerPride]

12. I can do without 100% of you.

And your ilk.

Thanks.

[Forkboy]

13. Oy vey.

[mcctatas]

14. 50%?

Ummm, the last I checked MOST Hillary supporters are democrats first, and supporters of a specific candidate second. The last figure I heard was 17% said they would vote for McCain and 22% said they would stay home, which is 39% of 50%. Furthermore, as the election gets closer, many of these people will vote for the democrat because there is so much more at stake in this election than thier pride or feelings. Is it a concern? Hell yes, but will it change, you bet your life....

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/08/clinton.voters/index.html

[Adelante]

15. What 50% of Democrats would that be?

81% of Democrats are supporting Obama already.

[mudesi]

16. Does that mean we should humor you?

There is no popular vote. I'm not going to humor you.

[cliffordu]

17. Blah de blah de blah blah blah. We got it, on to the next, please.

Obama can't win. Why don't you just say that for a while??

[BootinUp]

19. Are Obama supporters STILL denying he barely squeaked out

a win on delegates and lost the popular vote?

[SoonerPride]

21. He's the nominee. End of story. There is no close. There is only one.

The end.

[mcctatas]

25. Even that kinda counts on how you choose to count the votes...

Popular Vote Count

State Date Obama Clinton Spread

Popular Vote Total 17,535,458 48.1% 17,493,836 48.0% Obama +41,622 +0.1%

Estimate 17,869,542 48.2% 17,717,698 47.8% Obama +151,844 +0.4%
w/IA, NV, ME, WA*

Popular Vote 17,535,458 47.4% 17,822,145 48.1% Clinton +286,687 +0.8%

(w/MI)**

Estimate 17,869,542 47.4% 18,046,007 47.9% Clinton +176,465 +0.5%

w/IA, NV, ME, WA*

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html

[PatGund]

36. Are Clinton supporters STILL denying she LOST the popular vote??

Last week I asked a Clinton supporter about this and was curtly told to "go to Real Clear Politics and see for yourself."

So I did. This page to be precise:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html

What I saw was there was six different ways to calculate the popular vote. In three of these, Sen. Obama wins the popular vote, and in three of these Sen. Clinton wins the popular vote.

The first is the basic popular vote. The caucus states are not counted, neither is Michigan:

Popular Vote Total
Obama - 17,535,458 48.1%
Clinton - 17,493,836 48.0%
Winner - Obama +41,622 +0.1%

The second is basic popular vote, plus estimates for caucus states:

Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA
Obama - 17,869,542 48.2
Clinton - 17,717,698 47.8%
Winner - Obama +151,844 +0.4%

The third is basic popular vote, no caucus, Sen. Clinton is given her Michigan votes, uncommitted votes are not given to Sen. Obama:

Popular Vote (w/MI)
Obama - 17,535,458 47.4%
17,822,145 48.1%
Winner - Clinton +286,687 +0.8%

The fourth is the same as the third, but with the addition of the caucus estimates:

Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA
Obama - 17,869,542 47.4%
Clinton - 18,046,007 47.9%
- Clinton +176,465 +0.5%

The fifth is popular vote, no caucus, Sen. Clinton is given her Michigan votes, uncommitted votes are given to Sen. Obama:

Popular Vote (w/MI)
Obama - 17,773,626 48.0%
Clinton - 17,822,145 48.1%
Winner - Clinton +48,519 +0.1%

The sixth is the same as the fifth, but with the addition of the caucus estimates:

Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA
Obama - 18,107,710 48.1%
Clinton - 18,046,007 47.9%
Winner - Obama +61,703 +0.2%

It's interesting to note that in all three of the Clinton wins, the win is based on denying Obama the popular vote. This is done by denying the uncommitted Michigan votes to Obama, and/or the caucus votes. Two of Obama's wins are based on ignoring the results of the invalid election in Michigan, but the third win is by counting all the votes. This is ironic, based on Sen. Clinton's campaign cry of "count all the votes", since that method results in a win for Sen. Obama.

[MonkeyFunk]

20. Your side keeps bringing it up

so my side keeps pointing out that yes, Clinton got more votes than Obama.

[SoonerPride]

22. There is only ONE side.

You are with us or against us.

There is only the DEMOCRATIC side.

Get on board or get the fuck out of our way.

[MonkeyFunk]

29. Then why don't you guys

stop all the flamebaiting, all the hate, all the attacks?

No, there are sides. You're just on the bigger, more bullying side.

[SoonerPride]

32. Bullying?

Really.

Weak.

[mcctatas]

42. I am really sorry you feel that way....

and I'm not being snarky, I am sorry that you feel bullied, I hope it changes for you...

[mudesi]

24. Two lies

1) It's the Clinton supporters who keep bringing it up.
2) No she didn't get more votes than Obama, because there is no popular vote.

[SoonerPride]

26. I'm sure this poster will ignore you, as he does me.

Facts aren't welcome in his little universe.

[MonkeyFunk]

30. She got more votes

cope.

She really got more votes if you count only Democrats who voted.

Cope.


Pointing out facts isn't attacking Obama.

[mudesi]

33. If you count only Democrats who voted?

Sorry, that's not how votes are counted.

I count votes by how many people voted.

But you still lose this one because Caucus states do not count any kind of popular vote whatsoever.

Cope.

[totodeinhere]

35. Nope, it's impossible to sort out Dem voters from others in most states.

[george_maniakes]

37. obama won. cope. n/t

[PM7nj]

39. How do you do that?

Please don't tell me exit polls.

[BeyondGeography]

40. Time to let that one go, Monkey

It's irrelevant. Cope.

[AtomicKitten]

23. it's a bitter pill for them to swallow so out comes the reframing of truth

No worries. It doesn't matter.

It's Obama time.

[knixphan]

27. 2 candidates left.

One named McCain.

One named Obama.

[cbayer]

28. Hmmm... I just reviewed the first 3 pages of gd:p and

there is only one OP about the popular vote. That would be yours.

The time for divisiveness is over. You have to let it go. I'm just saying.

[ronnykmarshall]

31. SNAP!

[mudesi]

34. They're replies in the threads

I'd link but that'd be a callout.

[cbayer]

38. Yes, I have seen them.

They are merely replies and merely posted by a few individuals. You, on the other hand, made the decision to make an OP out of it.

If you want a certain topic to be off the table, it might be best not to do that.

[jespwrs]

41. What popular vote?

This guy has some helpful info for delusional morons. Newsflash: Our nomination process is not a tally of votes. There are caucuses. Read this carefully, it's pretty simple:

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/03/popular-vote-question.php

I'm still waiting for Hillary to explain this to everyone also-to help restore the credibility of our candidate in the eyes of those who swallowed her lies.

[GalleryGod]

44. Oh, Fa Crissakes, YES!

:puke: :argh:

[GalleryGod]

45. Oh, Fa Crissakes, YES!

:puke: :argh:

[madmom]

46. How is the dem party suppose to heal with crap like this resurfacing every 10 seconds? You

sound like you work for the msm.

[Marie26]

47. So why aren't you letting it go? nt