I think Hillary should keep her name on the ballot and keep her pledged delegates

[Meshuga]

1)- Obama has enough votes for the nomination anyway
2)- We would have a historical convention where the party would not only nominate the first African American as the first presidential candidate nominee for a major party but the convention would also cast the first vote for a woman.

Hillary is deserving of the honor for her achievements.

[TwilightGardener]

1. Uh, no. It's over, she lost, she's done, she deserves no more than any

other losing candidate. She's not "speshul". Good Christ.

[onenote]

19. most of the time, "losing" candidates are allowed to have their name placed in nomination

and have votes cast for them. In 1988, for example, Jesse Jackson got over 1200 votes (nearly 30 percent).

You should study your history before making foolish statements.

[TwilightGardener]

43. It's my opinion, not a "foolish statement", so bite me.

[onenote]

54. I wouldn't touch you with a ten foot pole, let alone "bite you'

and your statement is foolish, since it reflects a fool's lack of knowledge of history. You said she deserves no more than any other losing candidate, yet you are demanding that she get less.

"Opinions" don't trump history. You may have the opinion that Custer won the battle of little big horn, too, but history says otherwise.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

57. She won nearly half the popular vote. That's why you're wrong

You're also being incredibly mean-spirited and petty, and shooting yourself badly in the foot at a time when Obama desperately needs not to alienate Clinton's supporters.

[KittyWampus]

62. there was no fucking "popular" vote. NONE. And it's part of the problem that Hillary created

[El Supremo]

2. There is only one candidate now. Hillary supports him 100%

So should every other Democrat.

[Meshuga]

4. There is nothing wrong with a symbolic vote

It's over. Obama won. The party is behind him and so is Clinton.

[bunnies]

12. Headline: "Dem party still split at convention"

Nothing wrong with that?

[Meshuga]

14. Not the case if Obama comes out to support this

I'm sure this is part of their deal. Not a biggie. It's over.

[bunnies]

17. They have a deal? What deal? nt

[Meshuga]

20. Not a deal per se

But this is something that Clinton would want I'm sure and Barack would have no problems with. I'm sure this will come up if it didn't when they met.

The bottom line is that he won. She is supporting him. It's over. There is nothing to worry about.

[bunnies]

31. What can I say. Im a worrier.

:hi:

[Meshuga]

34. I know

It's understandable since it has been a crazy campaign. :-)

[ronnykmarshall]

51. Stop that !!

Here's a picture ....

[genna]

16. It's not in Obama's interest to leave that vote open.

[Meshuga]

21. It is not a matter of leaving the votes open

It's letting her keep her pledged delegates for the historical aspect of this.

[MS Liberal]

3. I agree

This is history her delegates should cast their votes for her. It is only symbolic but she has earned this history.

[OzarkDem]

5. Agree, it would be great to see

a very historic opportunity for both groups to support each other in front of the world.

[bunnies]

6. And then the MSM can spend 2 weeks...

talking about how many votes Hillary got. "Dem party STILL divided".

Thats what you want? Really?

[KittyWampus]

10. AND Freepers will be sowing the "Hillary is going to fight in Denver" crap.

[bunnies]

11. Not to mention the mileage McSame would get out of it.

Imagine her demanding a roll call?! I can see the commercials now, "Even Democrats Dont Want Obama, Still Voting for Hillary".

No thanks. We need a UNITY headline coming out of Denver. At some point it has to STOP being about Hillary.

[onenote]

24. then remind McCain that 2000 he didn't release his delegates until the day of the repub convention

in 2000. If that's really what's worrying you.

[KittyWampus]

29. yeah, the Mediawhores will REALLY help Democrats out with that one. (sarcasm)

[newmajority]

27. And the Bush Crime Family thug group "ReCreate 68" can stage their false flag riot

...which will then be blamed on the Hillbots. Leading to massive media trashing of our party, a McLoon win in November, World War III and Great Depression II.

Oh yeah, that sounds like a winning plan.

[PetrusMonsFormicarum]

7. Making History

Hillary has already made history, and cemented herself in our culture as an icon of tenacity. I'm sure that the crowd in Denver is going to give her some props.

But I don't think the Dem Convention waters need to be muddied. We must emerge from the convention with clarity of vision, unity, and utter determination.

This is our country!

[MichiganVote]

8. She won't. Its over. She knows it. Now you do too.

[MonkeyFunk]

9. I agree

it will be historic and thrilling to watch. I don't know where this stupid idea that they should nominate him by acclamation comes from, but it's stupid.

[cap]

13. I think roll call would actually rev up the base

I don't think a scripted convention will do anything... but a historic roll call and recognition of both the first African American and the first woman candidate would be great TV and a way to fire up the base... give 'em a little extra fire in the belly

[Meshuga]

15. I agree

Good for the party and for Obama. This is a great historical moment.

[earthlover]

47. I agree!

I think the most entertaining part of a convention is the roll call votes!

[Peacetrain]

18. No absolutely not!

The worst thing that could happen.. flip the spots in your thought process for a second... and lets think what that would look like if Hillary was the nominee and Barack wanted to stay on the ballot for historic reasons...the quickest way to do all of Hillarys work in, is to do something like that.. the playoff are over.. this is the final game and we are all on the same team..

[Peacetrain]

23. She has the delegates...

and she can take them to the convention.. but seriously the best thing she can do, prior to the convention is release her delegates, a week before, whatever.. but I do not want to see another Carter/Kennedy mess.. lets go unified

[Meshuga]

25. She is backing Obama. It's over.

This is not a Carter/Kennedy mess.

[Peacetrain]

30. There is more passion

in this set of contests than Carter/Kennedy..

[Meshuga]

37. But this is not the situation at all

1980 and 2008 are apples and oranges. After what she did today, Clinton is not going to go to the convention and say "fuck it, I'm not supporting Obama anymore." She would lose credibility and there is no way in hell the supers would be impressed. It's over. People here might think she is crazy but no one is that crazy. We have to be reasonable. :-)

[Peacetrain]

56. Did I say anything about Senator Clinton being crazy??

No..and she has the right be on the ballot..name called..delegates shout out..all of that.. That is not my point at all.. There is going to be an all out push to split the party from the outside, and every little crevice that we can in all good faith shore up.. it will be to our benefit..

Senator Clinton and Senator Obama could play the havoc makers like cheap violins.. that is what I want.. count on it.. there is a call across the net to disrupt our convention and put it off as democrats gone wild..

[Meshuga]

58. No, you didn't

All I'm saying is that she is supporting Obama and she would have to be insane to pull that support out at the convention. Thus not a big deal if she holds on to her delegates. I can see the doom and gloom if she starts to campaign at the convention (like Kennedy did back in 1980) but she won't because it is June and she already supports Obama. ;-)

[Peacetrain]

61. I really appreciate what you are saying..

and it really has nothing to do with Senator Clinton.. I was so glad that she had this day to herself.. that Senator Obama was not on the stage.. that she and her supporters could have this to themselves.. it is about a movement that has been going on for quite some time.. and you can see it in blogs that are getting people juiced, probably operatives.. to disrupt our convention..

Democrats are going to get caught flat footed again by the republican smear machine.. we have this false sense that we OWN the internet.. I just think we should really close ranks tough.. if there were ever a time to present a completely united front, we are at it..

They are not delegates who will be on the floor.. no.. but it will be noise from the outside.. a media circus to try and smear the entire party process

[cap]

49. I'd have no problem with that...

it'd rev up the base either way. Give everyone a chance to celebrate...Big party time...Mark the occasion of two historic firsts... Frame it that way and its not only harmless but helpful

[onenote]

22. The ignorance of history displayed here is breathtaking

Roll calls are the norm. Having the names of candidates that won delegates during the primary season placed into nomination is the norm. While some losing candidates release their delegates on the eve of the convention (Bradley in 2000), others don't (Jackson in 1988, Brown in 1992).

So why should HRC be held to a different standard than Jesse Jackson. It was a memorable and historic moment when his name was placed into nomination and votes were cast for him and it will be a memorable and historic moment when the same happens for HRC.

By the way, I'm an Obama supporter and have been for some time. But I also know my history.

[Peacetrain]

26. I was just adding on to my last post about that

There is also the Carter/Kennedy.. mess.. we can do this a whole lot better.. I really want to see a unified and unifying convention.. and to be honest this primary has more heat to it than any I have ever seen.. more passion about the candidates.. this one needs a litte more nurturing as it were.. a little lavender and tea would be helpful also ;P

[Peacetrain]

35. It will be what it will be

But again, I hope this one is smoother.. our candidates both Hillary and Barack, were historic in their runs.. and historic canidates have more obstacles in front of them.. if the roles were reversed I would still feel the same way..

[KittyWampus]

32. I"m sorry... but the internet is an extremely effective way for disruptors to feed rumors

and THIS YEAR, it will be the gift that keeps giving to Freepers who want to rile up Hillary supporters into thinking she still has a chance at Denver to stage a comeback.

[Peacetrain]

36. Exactly..

[onenote]

39. and I thought there would be no need to keep bookmarking threads.

I imagine I'll have fun re-posting this one down the line.

[Meshuga]

41. The fear of media speculation is silly

This can be arranged by the candidates and it would not be a big deal. I'm sure Obama can celebrate the fact that they both received votes when he gives his acceptance speech. It is a historical moment that should be honored in my opinion.

[onenote]

53. I agree

[terrya]

28. I agree.

Obama has the nomination sewed up. Why not let her name be placed in nomination? It would please her delegates.

I forget...was John Kerry nominated unanimously? I don't think so.

[Meshuga]

38. I think Kucinich held on to his delegates n/t

[LiberalFighter]

40. I agree! Considering that few on this board have ever attended

a National Convention or even State Convention they should leave this to the candidates to decide.

The media will play everything and anything up even if it is nothing.

[terrya]

42. I especially agree with some comments here.

Come on...she conceded today. She is fully supporting Barack Obama.

It would be a great gesture to have her name placed in nomination in Denver. It would please her delegates and would energize them for November. Our two main candidates are an African-American man and a woman. That's historic. And it would show how diverse the Democratic Party is...and how historic this campaign has been.

[Meshuga]

44. It would be a great gesture

And ignoring it would be a lost opportunity to honor this big achievement for women. It should be celebrated.

[Auntie Bush]

33. I could go along with that! Good thinking!

[crankychatter]

45. I would like to know sooner than later RE her VP status

I can't campaign for Obama as effectively with anti-corruption Republicans, Independents, Progressive Greens, and cynical non-voters with Clinton on the ticket.

It would be nice to know what tack I have to take, to be most effective.

I would like to hear her fully endorse the DNC's adaptation of Obama's policy, taking NO PAC MONEY.

[earthlover]

46. what ballot? the primaries are so over!

I believe there still will be a roll call and her delegates will still get to vote for her. what is it you WANT?

[earthlover]

48. Oh....I KNOW!!!!! Have the traditional roll call.....

Then have the traditional call for a unanimous nomination by proclamation afterwards! Why should this year be different?

Geeeeeeeez......

[Shakespeare]

50. Yeah, a floor fight--let's have THAT.

JUST what we need. :sarcasm:

[apocalypsehow]

52. They just won't stop, will they? At some point this kind of OP becomes just out and out disruption.

I hope that point is soon - it gets tiresome.

[Meshuga]

60. Why is it a disruption? n/t

[Meshuga]

59. What floor fight?

There is no possibility of a floor fight because Clinton is SUPPORTING Obama. I am talking about a symbolic vote.

[terrya]

63. And I don't want to speak for him....

but I think Obama would be in favor of allowing that vote.

[SeaLyons]

55. Now that would be a truly historic convention...

Nice post.