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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 06:00 PM
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Candidates don't usually concede same night primary opponent cliches it.
http://dailyhowler.com/dh060508.shtml


Some people wanted a concession on Tuesday. That’s fine, but historically, people don’t do that. By the way: It would be weird to spend all day Tuesday asking people to vote for you—then to show up at 8:30 PM and say, “I’m out of here—please vote for the other guy.” Whatever you think of Clinton’s speech, it would be somewhat odd to endorse on the night you ran in two primaries, trying to win. Historically, people don’t do that.


The Daily Howler previously pointed out that in 1992, Jerry Brown didn't concede on the night that Bill Clinton clinched the nomination.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 06:02 PM
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1. Well, there's been some frenzied Obama supporters
I just read one where the OP thinks she should have conceded back in March. The next thing you know, they'll be demanding that she should never have run at all.
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Mezzo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 06:04 PM
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3. she hurt his chances by running herself, dontchoo KNOW that?
and if you don't, you must be racist, or a Republican.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 06:06 PM
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5. The nerve of some women!
Daring to run for high office!
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 07:05 PM
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17. Sexism! Sexism! Sexism!
Sound the alarms!
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 07:42 PM
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20. Yawn.
She lost. Mathematically the odds were stacked against here since March. The rumors were out there for a week he had enough to take him over the top the final night of the primaries yet...McAuliffe still introduces her as the next prez of the US?

Give me a break.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 07:45 PM
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21. If Hillary were a man she'd have been laughed out of the party in March.
Lucky for her she acted exactly like misogynists expect women to act -- irrational, clingy, hectoring and refusing to accept reality. So we all backed off and let her take three months to get her shit together.

We're still waiting.


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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 06:05 PM
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4. She should have conceded back in March
She had no chance to win after Texas. We told you the math didn't add up and the supers weren't going to overturn the pledged delegates. She damaged him with all her McCain bullshit and racial white working man shit.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 06:03 PM
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2. I don't think she's conceding tomorrow
Edwards suspended his campaign, and then conceded his delegates to Obama when he endorsed. I don't think Hillary is doing that tomorrow. I think she's retaining her delegates, still. So even as they get out of the race, I guess, they're still manipulating the facts to excuse her hanging on to her delegates.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 06:06 PM
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6. Are you kidding me? Ugh. Edwards conceded prior to the primaries
being over. This is a big difference.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 06:44 PM
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10. I think we're saying the same thing
He suspended first, and then conceded. Hillary hasn't even suspended yet. And yet she's pretending to be just as gracious as all the other candidates in the past.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 06:57 PM
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11. Found this: Suspending vs. Withdrawing
http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/trailhead/archive/2008/06/06/suspending-vs-withdrawing.aspx

Suspending vs. Withdrawing

Hillary Clinton will suspend her campaign Saturday. But what does it mean to “suspend” your operation rather than drop out?

The question comes up every four years, and the answer remains largely the same: It lets the candidate hold on to his or her delegates. In 2000, Slate’s Ted Rose explained:

The two national parties set the rules for the selection and responsibilities of their delegates. (All states have their own laws regarding delegates, but in recent decades the U.S. Supreme Court has struck them down, ruling that the parties can set the policies.) Democrats dictate their policy from the top down: All delegates are pledged, but not bound, to reflect the conscience of the candidate they were chosen to represent.

For Clinton, “suspending” allows her to keep adding to her delegate totals. Some caucus states still haven’t held their state conventions. (Iowa’s is June 17.) By “suspending” rather than dropping out, Clinton can continue picking up delegates who might not be named yet.

It also lets her keep her promises to delegates she picked to attend the Democratic National Convention in August. If she dropped out entirely, she would keep her district-level delegates but lose control over statewide delegates. By suspending, she keeps both.

That doesn’t mean she’ll wield much power at the convention. Any decision made about the party platform or rules still requires a majority vote, which means Obama’s in charge. But Clinton’s delegates could still try to influence decisions. “If some of her supporters were greatly exercised about one particular issue and it was important to her political future that she extract a concession on the platform,” then she could exert some pressure, explained William Mayer of Northeastern University. But that’s unlikely to happen. Once you endorse the nominee, you’re effectively telling your delegates to support him or her on all counts.

Some people think it also helps Clinton continue to raise funds to pay off her more than $20 million in debt. But the FEC’s Bob Biersack said it makes no difference. “The word suspend doesn’t have any campaign-finance implications,” he said. “Even if she said she’s withdrawing from the race, she could continue to raise money to pay off her debts no matter what.” If she had opted for public financing, then suspending vs. withdrawing would matter, since you can’t take matching funds for money raised after you drop out. But this year, only John Edwards chose to take public funds.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 07:07 PM
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18. Yep, she's keeping her delegates
She isn't going to concede 4 days after she lost, like her surrogates are saying she's going to do.
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Tippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 08:22 PM
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26. Edwards DID NOT concede..He suspended his campaign
Edited on Fri Jun-06-08 08:23 PM by Tippy
He kept his delegates....Then he came out and endorsed Obama after that he released his delegates.....
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 08:32 PM
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28. OK, but it was done prior to the end of the primary, not after it was over. nt
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 06:07 PM
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7. Save a Huckabee or two.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 06:10 PM
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8. Jerry Brown had essentially conceeded long before Clinton officially clinched
He didnt even mount a campaign in his home state of California in the June primary back then.

Unlike Clinton he could do math.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 06:22 PM
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9. Most candidates don't give victory speeches when they lose either
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 07:01 PM
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13. She won South Dakota - hence the victory speech.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 07:03 PM
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14. you forget about SD.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 08:07 PM
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24. Right..didn't she say she was the better
candidate and mention her 18 million voters as "bargaining chips"?

All those Obama supporters with sunny thoughts of hilary are going to get a rude awakening.
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 06:59 PM
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12. The nomination isn't "cliched" until the roll call vote in August........nt
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 07:04 PM
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16. Cling On. nt
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 07:47 PM
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23. Give it a rest.
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 07:03 PM
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15. So.. Huckabee bucked the trend?
:rofl: 16 years ago this guy didnt concede right away. Funny shit.
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gcomeau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 07:16 PM
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19. Jerry Brown also didn't...
......make a nationally televised speech that night where he was introduced by his campaign manager as the next President, and spent 20 minutes arguing how he won important states, and he got all these votes, and his supporters better be respected while they screamed the name of the convention city behind him in a threat to take it to a floor fight without him doing anything to reign them in.

Jerry Brown had already, well prior to that night, ceased any and all negative campaigning against Clinton in acknowledgment of the fact that he was obviously the winner and he didn't want to do ANYTHING that might knock his poll numbers down against the Republicans.

Should we keep making the list of comparisons between these two situations? Or shall we move on to the GE?
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 07:46 PM
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22. Let's keep comparing. When did Jerry Brown imply that Bill Clinton might be assassinated?
Just wondering...

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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 08:09 PM
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25. Still harping on that one eh
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 08:32 PM
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27. You gotta admit, it was the worst of many.
But, if it will make you happy, we could switch and talk about Hillary's MLK comments, or her "change you can Xerox" crap, or her pressing of the Rezko canard, or Bill's Jesse Jackson race-baiting, or Andrew Cuomo's "shuck-and-jive" comments or Hillary's "shame on you" hectoring or her "skies will open" piss on Obama voters or Geraldine Ferraro or the lies about the popular vote or the "some states don't count" crap or the "caucuses don't count" crap or her "as far as I know" push of the Muslim meme, or her staff's propagation of the "Obama is a Muslim" email, or her lying about her finances, or her campaign's circulation of the "Muslim garb" photo (coupled with the shameful display of black Hillary surrogates going on-air to talk about Obama's "native garb") or her refusal to accept reality and concede or her Tuzla lies while our troops are under fire or her praise of McCain at Obama's expense or her "obliterate Iran" saber rattling or her insane refusal to reject and denounce her IWR vote.

Take your pick.

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NoFederales Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 09:06 PM
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29. Historically? Maybe the Information Age and Instant Global News 24/7 changes such a perspective?
Also, given the bitterness of the rivalry, conciliatory remarks and congratulations with the concession should have been an uppermost priority for Party Unity.

The Primary itself was historic enough, and by any metric it was deserving of an outstanding celebration at the presumptive END of the Primary season.

NoFederales
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