"Addicted to drama" Hillary wanted roll call so Chelsea could hear her name

[BeyondGeography]

Yes, there is an interesting life behind the scenes in the Democratic Party. One where they're on to Hillary and resent her desire to turn the entire institution into her private plaything, even in defeat:

Mrs Clinton is said to have told friends that she wants a roll-call of delegates at the Democratic convention in August so that her daughter, Chelsea, can hear it. One party strategist yesterday voiced suspicions that her real motive was that she was “addicted to drama”.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4076114.ece

Someone in her own camp was more than happy to confirm the roll call idea was a complete dud:

Clinton also alarmed top supporters when she floated the idea of seeking a roll call vote at the convention "for Chelsea's sake" - a comment that was "met with intense pushback," a Clinton source said.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/06/06/2008-06-06_barack_obama__hillary_clinton_in_stealth.html

Of course, this little episode will be filed in the "how they were mean and sexist to Hillary" folder. Thankfully, fewer and fewer people will care as time goes on.

[Marrah_G]

1. Are you done yet? Got it all out of your system?

[Ian David]

4. We'll be done when she's done. n/t

[greguganus]

6. ...and the congregation all shouted "AMEN"!!! n/t

[JVS]

9. AMEN!

[hokies4ever]

56. Hallelujah!

and I'm agnostic too. :rofl:

[DS1]

Congragation? We're a cult, remember?

[helderheid]

80. Pass the kool-aid!

[Poll_Blind]

76. Amen, and not a moment sooner.

PB

[BeyondGeography]

7. Quite

:thumbsup:

[lojasmo]

11. Indeed.

This bullshit shall stop when her bullshit stops.

[jazzjunkysue]

102. Qwit pikkin on poor wittoo Hiwawary.

If Obama had held out a concession this long, just imagine the flack from all corners 24-7.
But don't forget, SHE'S THE VICTIM!

[Political Heretic]

117. HEAR HEAR !!

[mckeown1128]

12. Some of us won't be done till Hillary stops the drama.

We are still waiting for her to concede and enthusiastically endorse the Democratic nominee. We want to here her say that her voters should vote for Obama over McCain.

A large part of the healing of the party starts with her. And some of us are waiting for that.

[blm]

50. I think some haven't figured out yet that it's all part of the whole using Dem party for themselves

attitude that has been going on since the 90s that ended up HURTING our organizational structure for the past decade, making it impossible for the party to actually FUNCTION as needed for other Democrats, the state parties and their organizational needs, the securing of the election process for Dem candidates and Dem voters. ALL of these things were left off the TO DO list for the DNC as it became a vehicle to serve the Clintons and its officials schooled only in serving and furthering the needs of the Clintons.

2005 became the first year the party was ABLE to begin to break that stranglehold of the Clintons. I appreciate every Dem who focused themselves on restoring the DNC to a functioning organization serving ALL Democrats and the targeted needs of the Democratic Party.

[Cha]

110. Correct because some of us have learned over

the years not to turn their back on hilary no matter how collegial she appears.

[krkaufman]

123. (one would think her Texas debate "honored" closing ...)

(... followed the next day by the rollout of the kitchen sink negative strategy would have been enough to make that clear.)

[guruoo]

52. It's like they're competing for the last drop of blood

[AuntPatsy]

64. Makes you question the mentality doesn't it?

[KittyWampus]

68. yes, it makes us question the mentality of Hillary Clinton who still hasn't conceded and still

might not release her delegates formally.

[SoCalDem]

119. She said it herself.. "even pledged delegates" can change their minds

Perhaps by the time she's done with Kabuki Theatre-Clinton-style, even the delegates she keeps so jealously, will have seen the light and moved on...

I cannot decide whose life she's patterning herself after...

Norma Desmond or Miss Havisham

[ccharles000]

128. No it does not!

Hillary is wonderfull.

[ampad]

74. Hide thread and ignore is your friend

No one is making you read this thread.

[niceypoo]

127. Hide thread and ignore are for sissies....

But that matters not now, the admins will soon neuter all of the haters.

[JackORoses]

108. you need to ask Hillary that.

[niceypoo]

126. Another soon to be neutered hater

One of many

[ChairmanAgnostic]

2. oh fer arrogance' sake.

I am still sitting on the edge of the toilet, waiting for one more (you KNOW it will come) explosion from Bill. He cannot help himself.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

44. Is this about right?

[ChairmanAgnostic]

46. twas butt a metaphor, but that is classic. thanks for the laugh.

ROFL. the executive throne?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

49. New meaning to "download?"

[ChairmanAgnostic]

60. so glad I'm self employed, else the coworkers would kill me.

that is great

[Marrah_G]

78. ewwwwwwwwwwwwww

[Ian David]

3. I just like to K&R any thread that's critical of Hillary. K&R! n/t

[undeterred]

5. From the timesonline:

"Mark Penn, her former chief strategist, who is widely blamed for her many acts of self-destructive aggression, is understood to have urged her to “make Obama grovel”.

These people (Hillary and Mark Penn) are sick.

[Medusa]

10. And it's that kind of arrogance that ultimately made her own

supporters to push her into conceding. I think she honestly thought that she was some kind of queen who could dictate her own terms. Reality's a bitch ain't it?

[City Lights]

17. So much is at stake here and they act like it's a fucking game.

:argh:

[roguevalley]

86. there are a dozen books being written now, you can count on it

and all the shit will come out. 'make obama grovel' what shit heads.

[krkaufman]

124. Hell, even *with* her Iraq vote (and not reading the NIE) ...

... she might have won the election had she chosen a different campaign strategist.

[OzarkDem]

8. The roll call for all the candidates is SOP

Why would Dems want to insult Clinton and Dem women voters by breaking with tradition? Seems pretty stupid, but then stupid seems to be the coin of the realm at DNC these days.

[QC]

35. Apparently, this is a lot of people's first election.

The level of political naiveté around here is staggering sometimes.

[rodeodance]

122. yes, it is. I recall listening to Edwards delegates get counted.

[krkaufman]

125. Yeah, that 50-State Strategy is pure nonsense.

Let's keep narrow-casting our election campaigns. It worked so well through 2004.

[TexasObserver]

13. How can we not do it for Chelsea?!

For God sakes, she's the princess!

Is the kid even a Democrat?

[boobooday]

14. IT'S HER TURN!!

Don't disrespect her!

:crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

[TexasObserver]

22. but, but, but ... it's take your daughter to Nomination Day!!

[alcibiades_mystery]

21. All West Virginia Working Class Dems get $250,000/yr sinecures at the local hedge fund!!!

How dare you?

;-)

[RoseMead]

55. Now that might make me vote for Hillary!

No,not really.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

23. I want her to do it for me too....damn I think it is Historical....not "drama"

and I understand it


I think we can cease and desist now of beating on Hillary and her supporters.....Obama is our nom.


let's put the energy to healing and to getting Obama in the White House in Nov eh?
:think:

[sudopod]

54. Aye

Let's move on, ya'll.

[Divernan]

27. Right! Do it for the 30 year old hedge fund millionairess ! ! ! who backed up HRC's Tuzla lies.

Just gives you a warm feeling in your heart, doesn't it ???

Oh, wait - that's heart burn!

[TexasObserver]

34. I'd like to know one thing Chelsea has ever done for any Democrat not named Clinton

[Divernan]

39. Peace Corps? No. Military service? No. Teaching in an inner city school? No.

Habitat for Humanity? No.

[Divernan]

40. The Bush twins have each done more public service than Chelsea.

[Citizen_Penn]

70. Agreed. - I'm impressed by the work done by the twins

Both have grown into fine young women - not afraid to be precisely who they are.

Kudos to George and Laura - they clearly did something right there.

Frankly, I expected to see Chelsea do what they've done - and realize she's got the right to work for a hedge fund, if she chooses.

It's just not consistent with who her parents told us they were.


Ironic, isn't it?

[TexasObserver]

42. Like Mommy and Daddy, it's all about HER and THEM.

I'm glad Hillary finally got a chance to get to know her daughter, but the Democratic party is not having the convention because Hill and Chelsea need to bond.

[Diane R]

109. I also heard Chelsea whine about how the horrible sexist attacks on her mom.

[Cha]

111. Oh yeah, and absolutely disingenuous

at best when asked direct questions about her mother's lies.

[Divernan]

32. Gosh! Ya think some Wall Street hedge fund traders aren't Democrats?

[TexasObserver]

45. I'll hedge my bet and say 10% of them are.

but they're DLC Democrats!!

[Dogtown]

15. Dear Shill

Give it a rest. We're tired of this shit and the issue has been decided.

[RooferDem]

16. Pretty amazing how some people could think this isn't newsworthy.

This isn't about divisions. It's about posting what the former candidate said.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

18. no not drama...it's HISTORY.....I would have liked to hear her name in that 'roll call" too

[HooptieWagon]

19. Hillary who?

[AllentownJake]

20. The roll call woudn't be bad

It would spotlight how far our country has come that the two leading contenders for the nomination were a woman and an African American.

Having the roll call seems like an ok idea for me.

[RooferDem]

24. Somehow you think this idea hasn't been under the spotlight enough?

[roguevalley]

88. keeping this train wreck going so her daughter could hear her

name spoken is bullshit. this ISN'T ABOUT HER. Its about the COUNTRY. God, can it get any worse?

[QC]

106. There is always a roll call at the onvention. Always.

This is just more phony outrage from the hate addicts.

[izquierdista]

25. Don't cry for me faithful Hillbots!

[Mme. Defarge]

107. That song and image of Eva Peron

has been stuck in my head this entire campaign season.

[MonkeyFunk]

26. What's wrong with a roll call?

Does Obama want it done by acclamation? That's absurd. It's the closest primary ever - there's nothing wrong with letting the states cast their votes openly - it's sort of a tradition!

"The Great State of Arksylvania, home of the world's biggest turnip, America's second-largest importer of refined bauxite, the birthplace of the drummer from Devo, casts its 3 votes for the next President of the United States, Chunky Giblets!"

[Benhurst]

41. A roll call vote would look too ...

too ... democratic.

[Cha]

113. Like hilary's attempted to be "democratic" this whole primary season..

[Benhurst]

121. The whole world doens't revolve around Hillary,

or even Obama for that matter.

Many of us weren't all that impressed with either.

No matter who wants a roll call or who doesn't, there should be one. It is traditional, and it conveys at least the image of a democratic process at work, no matter how flawed our party's primary process may have been.

We fought a war to get away from anointed leaders.

[tanyev]

28. Chelsea's not a little girl any more.

She's 28, she has a really good job, and she seems like a self-assured woman who will be able to deal with any disappointment she may have.

[symbolman]

29. THEN...

ICE CREAM for Everyone!!

Will there be crowns for the Ladies and Codpieces for the ManJacks?

Nothing like a little OJT for the Hedgefund lady... :)

[Ichingcarpenter]

36. Don't do the Roll Call for the people do it for Chelsea

If she had said do it for the people it might have been received better, but no,
she said do it for Chelsea Clinton, because it is more important that she hears it.


No wonder they shot the idea down. Its all about the Clintons and their dynasty, not the people.
That's the point people are missing.

[symbolman]

38. Sheesh, just like the Bush assholes

just when you think they've gone Sane they blow it and go over the top like this..

Can't even cloak it like you posted, they don't seem to have a lick of Sense..

But wait til you see the Swag she has planned for this event, after lifting Obama's credit card. :)

[DeschutesRiver]

72. Good point

Another indication among many that this is only about the Clintons, not the dumb ass voters that they must put up with in order to secure high office.

I am an independent, don't know how your dem rules work, but do you have a roll call every convention? Like would Clinton's request for it be something that Dean had also asked for. back when he ran but didn't win? Or that Edwards has also asked for? Or any of the other candidates that ran?

[papapi]

30. Filing under: "how they were mean and sexist to Hillary"......

cross referenced: "how to milk it for all it's worth"
cross referenced: "Democratic Party = Chelsea plaything"

[NashVegas]

31. Jerry Brown Got One in 1992

I don't see what the problem is .. you're not afraid delegates will defect, are you?

[OzarkDem]

33. But Clinton is a "woman"

different rules.

Didn't Teddy get one, too when he took his rather weak primary campaign to the Convention?

[Chulanowa]

73. Yes, that must be the reason

And not for the silly reason she wanted it done for the gratification of a family member.

However... rules don't apply to Her Majesty, so what are you going on about, anyway? She'll go up there and do the roll call herself.

[TexasObserver]

37. "More Baby Mama Drama from Bill's Baby Mama"

Today on Maury, "Hillary" comes on Maury to see if "Bill" is really her baby's daddy.

"Maury, I'm a Brazilian percent sure this baby is Bill's!!"

[Shae]

57. That was funny!

:rofl:

Bill's a bill-ion percent sure too, but it'll get them some more air time.

[TexasObserver]

"bill-ion" percent is funny, too!!

I gotta remember that one.

[SoCalDem]

120. Drama Queen to the bitter end..

[Colobo]

43. Irrelevant.

[Enrique]

47. we should save the drama for Obama

[tinrobot]

48. Addicted to drama in her marriage, too.

I'm sure by fooling around all the time Bill provided plenty of dramatic moments.

[LeFleur1]

51. Do You People Actually Think Obama Is Going To Win?

Nope. Watch.

[rurallib]

53. And who will you be voting for?

[TexasObserver]

58. Hell yes, Obama is going to win!! Please explain why you think he won't.

You're completely delusional if you think that bumbling old man is going to win in November, but I'd love to hear you explain why you think McCain is going to beat Obama.

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

61. "You people"?

[Shakespeare]

62. "You people?"

Uh, we're called democrats. If you can't deal, seek another forum.

[smiley_glad_hands]

66. Bye.

[Egnever]

84. in a landslide

theres no contest between him and Mcsame.

Bring on the town halls I cant wait!

[sniffa]

97. Yes. Watch.

Know who's not going to win? Hillary. McCain. Watch.

[Cha]

114. You'll be gone soon.. n/t

[1776Forever]

59. Narcissistic Personality Disorder 101

http://www.narcissism101.com/

Someone who suffers from Narcissistic Personality disorder (NPD) has at least 5 of the following characteristics:

1. has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
2. is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
3. believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
4. requires excessive admiration
5. has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
6. is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
7. lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
8. is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her
9. shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

Half the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don't mean to do harm — but the harm does not interest them. Or they do not see it, or they justify it because they are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of themselves.

-- T. S. Eliot

[ChairmanAgnostic]

67. let's see . . . HILL is:

1 - check
2- check
3- check
4- check
5- check
6- check
hey, I think we are on to something here.
7- check
8- check
9- check

WE HAVE A WINNER!

[workinclasszero]

116. Damn thats all Hillary for sure!

If Hillary got some intensive psychotherapy for the rest of her life, she could become a halfway decent person.

But naw...

It's good to be the Queen, eh Hillary??

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

63. Who gives a flying fuck?

[L0oniX]

65. These fuck head Clintons have plans for Chelsea to become president.

It will never end. :evilfrown:

[NYC_SKP]

71. Who gives a #%@#&?... I do!

She, and any other democrat should be called on their shenanigans if they diminish the party, privately, ideally, but when she doesn't listen to reason and carries on like she does

[Citizen_Penn]

69. And the people who still hang on to the "mean and sexist"

appear lesser and lesser, in many ways.

Whining and begging for sympathy are such attractive personality traits, aren't they?

:sarcasm:

[ampad]

75. Well damn

Had she actually became president we could look forward to some type of drama everyday. Wake me up when she is gone.

[mzmolly]

77. Hillary will be an excellent advocate for Obama.

I really wish we'd chill on the "Hillary sucks" theme.

Charlie Rangel at the end of the NY Daily News article:

"We're Democrats," he said. "Dammit to hell, we fight. When it's over, we come together."

Time for us to come together IMHO.

[BlooInBloo]

79. Riiiight... it's for her *daughter*.

[Vicky Polonia]

81. Mr. "anonymous sources" strikes again

Mr. Sources have become very popular indeed.

[suston96]

82. Maybe people haven't watched enough national conventions......

The states usually want roll calls so they can boast, show-off their support of their candidate. And one of the states gets to put the nominee over the top.

Having watched a few - too many, perhaps, I seem to recall it that way.

[Benhurst]

83. Even when candidates have won decisively, roll calls have been

taken, followed by a the vote to make the nomination unanimous.

Anointing is nice, but not very democratic.

[mzmolly]

85. Agreed Ben

:hi:

[StevieM]

96. Yeah, but as always, there are different rules for Hillary (eom)

[QC]

105. Exactly. You'd think this was most DUers' first election.

The level of political naiveté around here is staggering sometimes, considering that we are supposed to be politics junkies.

[AtomicKitten]

87. Clinton is dangerously close to becoming " Whatever Happened to Baby Jane."

[dailykoff]

90. A little more botox and she's there.

[MonkeyFunk]

93. fuck the hate, fuck the haters

It's traditional to do a roll call - it won't hurt your candidate in the slightest. Fuck your viciousness.

[AtomicKitten]

94. Oh dear. Are you cranky?

edited for smoochy kisses to assuage your 'what goes around comes around' pain

:hi:

[MonkeyFunk]

99. Fuck the hate, fuck the haters

You really have to give it up. It's unproductive, it's stupid, it hurts Obama's chances in the fall. Stop being such an idiot.

[AtomicKitten]

101. you first

:hi:

[dailykoff]

89. Give her whatever she wants just please don't hurt the Chelsea!

Chelsea! I'm bawling now! That lovely child!

:cry: :cry: :cry:

[apocalypsehow]

91. There is absolutely no one HRC will not use as a commodity in her clawing, narcissistic hunger for

the spotlight - now she even uses her own daughter to try to secure a purely political goal. That tells me she sees Chelsea as just another pawn on her chessboard to be manipulated to her own personal ends, and not a daughter to be loved for loves sake alone.

Truly a pitiful, hateful shell of a human being this woman has become.

[apocalypsehow]

92. ...

:kick:

[Az_lefty]

95. they need to shut this crap off...Hillary lost and that's it.

[tabasco]

98. Chelsea takes after her mom.

Little Chelsea went out and lied about Tuzla, just like Hilly told her.

Hilly went out and lied about everything, just like Billy told her.

[slinkerwink]

100. Let The Negative Hillary Threads Sink!!!!!!!!!!!

[KittyWampus]

104. Sorry slink. This is highly instructive

[QC]

103. The roll call is a standard feature of conventions. Every convention I have watched,

and that's quite a few, has included a roll call. It's one of the high points. It's actually fun watching the head of each delegation stand up and tell what his or her state is famous for: producing a world record cheddar cheese wheel, or supplying the NFL with more quarterbacks than any other state, or whatever. States even trade off their positions in the roll call so that the nominee's home state can be the one to put him overt he top. Corny, yeah, but a real piece of authentic Americana as well.

This complaint is just another excuse for the shit-stirrers to stir the shit yet again. Any excuse will do, apparently.

[bigbrother05]

112. Oh yeah, and could you buy some candy to help the kids go to band camp?

Why is more never enough for some folks?

[eridani]

115. So what is wrong with a roll call vote?

Do the unity thing on the second vote, sez I.

[grantcart]

118. Ok got the perfect compromise

We will nominate Chelsea for President and she gets the roll call.

Its like the dad who takes his daughter to the bowling alley he owns and announces that she has just rolled a perfect game.

gadzooks.