The Clintons may stick around, but this election needs to be the end of Terry McAuliffe.

[jgraz]

When has this guy done ANYTHING that helped the party? Ever?

[LSparkle]

1. Brought in LOADS of money ... from big business mostly

Got the Dems out of debt but -- on balance -- I don't know if
his tenure as chairman was a good or bad thing...

[blm]

3. He spent the money on DC-centric projects as party infrastructures in too many states were collapsed

after years of neglect.


The DNC let that happen as the RNC worked to gain control of the election process at every level where the votes are allowed, cast and counted.

Gore's loss was because the DNC infrastructure he tapped into as nominee could not handle getting his votes counted and in many cases even cast in the first place.

Kerry had a landslide stolen from us as McAuliffe for four focking years let matters of election process security WORSEN even after 2000s blatant theft. Kerry got stuck tapping into the Dem party infrastructure at its WEAKEST POINT in history, imo.

[Selatius]

8. Not a good thing when the Dems are relying mostly on big business cash.

It doesn't jive well with trying to build credibility as a party that represents the working person instead of the boss.

[Spider Jerusalem]

11. And the money game has changed since the mid-nineties.

As the campaign Obama ran has shown. The power of the internet to harness the financial support of the grassroots has made big money somewhat less relevant, and a funding model along the lines of the one that gave Obama his campaign war chest would go a long way to making the Democratic Party the party of the people again, no?

[LSparkle]

34. THAT's the biggest thing we can all thank Obama for: returning to the PEOPLE

for money. The 'netroots' will NEVER be ignored again after his
campaign.

[samdogmom]

2. I agree. I hope this big "FAIL" on his resume combined with

his other multiple failures over the past eight years (Kerry election is a prime example) will make it hard for him to get another influential job in the Democratic Party. Maybe he can try to become a lobbyist. He won't be very good, though, if you consider his track record! It'd be funny if some big right-wing organizations waste big bucks on him, however!

[jgraz]

6. Was the 04 election a "fail" or a setup for Hillary's run this year?

His recent performance does make one wonder...

[Arugula Latte]

16. Good question. It might help explain why the Clintonistas seem

unable to grasp that they LOST. Their plan was to sacrifice Kerry and then take power in '08. They failed, and they simply can't deal with the reality of that. That's why McAuliffe introducing Hillary as the next POTUS was so telling. They seem to live in a fantasyworld where things have gone according to their plan.

[karynnj]

20. If true - and I have gone back and forth on it

Assume there was at least dragging their feet after they jumped onto the general election bandwagon:
The thing that might haunt them now is that had they worked whole heartedly for either Gore or Kerry, they would have won. Why, ANY positive incremental change in either case of much magnitude would work. There is no way, the conscientious Kerry would have not had the regional summit within weeks of getting into office and Iraq might have been pushed by stakeholders in the region into some stability before descending into civil war. The anger and hatred that could have been avoided is massive.

Kerry couldn't have prevented Katrina - but from things he said at the time there is no way he would have abandoned New Orleans. He would have marshaled the country to respond. As it was he was the US Congressional delegation to Bali and was enormously helpful - per the Bush administration people who spoke to the SFRC. Imagine if he were President, the US would have lead rather than lagged - possibly with the help of Gore, whose committee Kerry was on in 1987 when they had the first hearings.

The fact is we would be better off. The Republicans - and maybe the country might think Bush would have done better and they clearly would have claimed that Iraq would have been a perfect democracy. But the world would have been better and as Democrats they likely would know it. So, if this charge has any merit - they likely have a lot of regret. (Republicans likely would not buy that Kerry would have been better. - though Bush might question if his own legacy would have been better had he told Ohio to conduct a fair election. Other than the world as a whole, the biggest loser when Kerry lost might ironically been Bush.)

[samdogmom]

19. I do wonder, too! Especially since Kerry conceded WAY TOO FAST!

The Ohio votes weren't really counted and there were MULTIPLE stories of major voting problems/fraud in the state. The fast concession has never made sense to me. (Do you think some of these clowns pushed him out? (I know Carville was in on this, but McAuliffe probably was too! This makes me very angry! Do you know how much damage our country suffered just so they could "save" a spot for Hillary!???????) Wow! Way to put your country first guys!

[karynnj]

23. No, it was the mathematics

The number of provisional ballots not tabulated was far too small to result in the number needed to make up the deficit. The same people who had Gore challenge told Kerry the numbers weren't there. Kerry mentioned those ballots and said that they would be counted - and they were - he was still about 60,000 too little. The Republicans suppressed the vote in many ways that were in fact not illegal - such as the way they distributed voting machines.

They continued to investigate after the concession - and had they found a way to claim the election, they would have taking back the concssion as Gore did. There is still no proof that Kerry won Ohio - though RFKjr and others make decent cases that more people went out intending to vote for him. (All you had to do was look at the devastated faces of Kerry's two wonderful daughters as they listened to his concession to know how hard it was on them. They knew how hard he'd worked and had enormous faith in his ability to be a good President.)

You forget the timing - Bush was on the brink of a major attack on Fallujah. Can you imagine the consequences to the party had Kerry with no concrete proof delayed conceding more.

[blm]

35. Slowest concession in history. Gore conceded on election night with a smaller vote difference

than Kerry did in Ohio the next day.

What Gore did do when the MATH changed for him, was UNCONCEDE.

It's odd to me that people don't know much about actual election history and claim that Kerry conceded immediately, or in a heartbeat, or faster than anyone ever.

It's embarrassingly ignorant. Kerry would have UNCONCEDED just like Gore did, IF the math turned around after the recount that automatically kicked in because of the percentage - unfortunately, the recount was a small percentage sampling according to OHIO RULES that Dem party in Ohio was too weak to influence in the years they were set up after 2000.

THAT is why Kerry would never have the evidence he needed or the math. The PARTY failed in Ohio. There was no strong Dem presence in the majority of counties making it easy for RNC to steal it - again - for Bush.

[niceypoo]

4. Some people hate democracy...

They want a corronation.

[AspenRose]

5. CO-SIGN!

Give him his bottle of rum or shots or whatever and let him disappear.

[izquierdista]

7. I think The Daily Show

was the end of Terry McAuliffe. At least after that exhibition of lunacy, it should be.

[jgraz]

9. Jesus, he looked fucking crazy.

He's going to be remembered as an ineffectual clown.

[WilliamPitt]

13. Awesome sig line.

:rofl:

[jgraz]

14. Heh, thanks Will.

I'm just happy I didn't have to change it once more.

[WilliamPitt]

17. DENVER! DENVER! DENVER!

*ducking, fleeing, giggling*

[jgraz]

18. Good instinct. I probably would have thrown something at you if I could have.

:P

[Mass]

10. I could not agree more. It is about time for him to go back to

business.

[jgraz]

12. Hopefully no business that I own stock in.

I wouldn't trust him to run a Wendy's drive-thru.

[Bensthename]

15. He is a great actor

To the very last day looking at him he acted like Hillary still was going to win this even though a guy as smart as him knows better.. And tons of energy. Every time I seen this guy I was jealous of his energy. I could get tons of stuff done at work and around the house if I had half that guy's energy..

[canucksawbones]

21. I like MaCauliffe

compared to Ickes and Lanny

GK

[Swamp Rat]

22. There's a place for him in the world of informercials, selling - 'power of' - success scams.

[cliffordu]

24. He needs to go be a gameshow host.

[jgraz]

30. Y'know, he'd actually be good at that.

And now, let's play "WHO WANTS TO LOSE AN ELECTION!!"

[cliffordu]

32. Great!! DuZY

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[styersc]

25. Like all totalitarian regimes- the first thing you do is purge!!!!

Must remove all who are not purists.

[jgraz]

29. I thought you'd left.

Here, let me get your coat.

[BootinUp]

26. What do you know? Why not contribute some facts instead of

spewing your empty hate rhetoric. Mcauliffe worked for the party for years and has plenty of friends and admirers for it.

[jgraz]

28. Fact: McAuliffe is a buffoon who hurt us in 04 and is hurting us now.

It's not my problem if you're too dumb to see that.

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[madwivoter]

27. I don't understand how he can spew the shit he does

and still expect to be taken seriously on ANY level.

[Stop Cornyn]

33. McAuliffe sucks, but Ickies sucks even worse.

[PoliticalAmazon]

36. The worst thing about McAuliff is that he reminds me of Jerry Orsbach....

who I absolutely loved. To see a face that reminds me of Orsbach and then to see the mouth open up and pure horeshit fall out is very unsettling.

[Orsino]

37. Someone has to sell the used cars.

Toward the end, especially, the strain showed. Even * press secretaries don't last much longer than this campaign has.

He has done damage, yes, but perhaps not much lasting harm, and I feel more pity than hate.