She's suspending her campaign Friday and endorsing Obama. Now get over yourselves.

[StevieM]

Trashing Hillary will not win over her supporters. And, yes, you do need our votes.

Just reported in MSNBC

Steve

[jgraz]

1. Let's see if she also quits agitating for the Veep slot.

It's going to take a lot to convince people that she's sincere about supporting Obama. I hope she pulls it off.

[TeamJordan23]

4. That includes her surrogates. nm

[joshcryer]

5. You don't think this is posturing in and of itself? She should've done it sooner.

She should've said last night "I'm suspending my campaign and will endorse Obama on Friday."

That gives half a week for the pundants to talk about Obama's VP choice.

And if Obama didn't offer to her all hell would break loose.

God she sucks at the social personal part of campaigning.

[tekisui]

30. Yes she does.

Trying to pressure herself on the ticket or strong arm is the worst way to do it. She could have presented a strong and convincing case if she had moved sooner towards unity.

[guruoo]

51. I think we'll be soon finding out why she held out one more day.

[shadowknows69]

83. Not happening

[guruoo]

49. agitating?

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[StevieM]

10. She didn't fail--Obama was selected by Caucus delegates, Super Delegates and the media (eom)

[high density]

21. And the caucus delegates were selected by voters like me

that participated and cast a vote, albeit in a longer, less efficient process than the primary voters.

And the MEDIA-- THE MEDIA was in the TANK for Clinton as of December 2007. She was inevitable and everybody else should drop out. They had a dozen polls a week to show that.

[joshcryer]

31. A small percentage of voters.

A statistically insigifnicant number of voters actually.

[high density]

40. You pulled that statistic straight out of your ass

100% of voters in Iowa, 100% of voters in Maine, 100% of voters in Nevada, etc participated in a CAUCUS.

[guruoo]

54. WOW! 100%?

[Hansel]

73. Then maybe the rest of the voters should have gotten off of their

asses and come in and participated. I was dedicated enough to this democracy to go to my caucus and participate and somehow I'm suppose to feel less relevant or guilty for that?

There is absolutely nothing stopping anyone from participating in a caucus, period. I had just broken my leg and was in great pain, but managed to make it to my caucus and spend the whole evening. There were people there with their kids and women in their 80's and 90's. Men, women, blacks, whites, Asians, college kids, professionals, blue collar workers all with one thing in common, we cared enough to show up.

Neither I or any of the other people who I caucused with are statistically insignificant. But it could very well be that we are significantly more dedicated to democracy than those who didn't bother showing up and maybe that's a good thing.

[Orsino]

24. Plus the little matter of regular delegates...

...not to mention millions of supporters. The media came late to this party, Obama being very definitely their second choice.

But no, "fail" is IMO the wrong word for Clinton's hugely successful campaign, which may yet net her a spot on the ticket or Cabinet.

[baldguy]

35. Delegates are what gets counted. She FAILED to get the required number.

The worst kind of loser is the one who refuses to acknowledge defeat. Who who cries about unfairness where none exists, who says "if only *this*..." or "it's just because of *that..." to deflect the blame for her defeat from herself, who acts like the rules that everyone agreed to beforehand don't apply to her.

She failed. And she failed poorly.

[book_worm]

37. Wrong Stevie Obama won about as many primaries as Hillary

you people seem to forget that. It was not only caucuses.

[muryan]

60. Yup

Primaries:

Hillary - 20
Obama - 19

[StevieM]

66. All primaries are not equal. The Dem Abroad mail-in vote is not equal to the California Primary

Obama may have won more states, but Clinton won more congressional districts. Unlike states, congressional districts are about equal in size.

Steve

[NotThisTime]

70. Don't start with California, had you seen the recent polls there if primary held 3 days ago?

[lojasmo]

52. Don't forget primary delegates.

Actually, he won by winning more primaries and caucuses.

[pnorman]

71. A Bitter Ender to the bitter end!

Here's another one, who's hopefully WILDLY atypical:

I don't really hanker for a flame-duel, but PLEASE consider retiring that moth-eaten Talking Point. And then we can ALL (slowly, but surely) begin to mend what has been so badly damaged here over the past few months. November isn't all that far off!

pnorman

[krkaufman]

78. Going with that assumption (with which I disagree) ....

... doesn't it seem at odds with Hillary's championing all those "invisible" voters? Why did Hillary not care enough about caucus state voters to compete for *their* votes? Why did Hillary, back in December, not care about *any* of those voters who'd cast votes after February 5th?

"I have a campaign that is poised and ready for the long term. We are competing everywhere through February 5th. ... So I'm in it for the long run. It's not a very long run. It'll be over by February 5th."

Hillary lost because of a flawed campaign, and a flawed Senatorial voting record. Sen. Clinton's voting for the Iraq war was probably the biggest factor in her loss, but the triangulation didn't stop there.

Here's hoping Hillary can return to the Senate and take some of the fight and determination she's shown since February 5th to the Conservatives.

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[neverforget]

6. That's a 2 way street......

[Straight Shooter]

7. They'll complain about the way she endorses him.

No matter what she says, some will complain she didn't use the right words, or she doesn't say it the right way. This will continue through the rest of the GE. She will never perform as she should, according to their "standards" (or "behave" as one poster put it), no matter what she does. :shrug:

[YDogg]

14. Honestly, I think many people are ready to move way past this point.

What will it matter how she endorses him?

[Straight Shooter]

26. Maybe you're right, and that would be a good thing.

I've seen everything she does and everything she says criticized in the most inflammatory manner. I think to many O supporters it definitely will matter what she says and how she says it, from the tilt of her chin to the inflection in her voice.

Hatred tends to take on a life of its own, which is just bizarre when it's aimed at someone you don't even know personally. :(

[YDogg]

28. agreed.

[Straight Shooter]

29. .

:hi:

[YDogg]

38. .

:hi:

[peace13]

8. Sorry Steve....

Many here have had to move on and adjust to the changing world. I suggest you should get over yourself! Be a part of the solution if you know what I mean. I have been silent on the request for the stroking of Hill and her supporters but after her speech last night I have not desire to to suck up to anyone. She was off base and that is that.

[ShaneGR]

9. Agreed, I'm not even a Hillary supporter and the bashing is just out of control....

Classless really. The thing is, Obama is being really classy about all of this. It's just bizarre to see the shortsighted hatred a lot of people in this forum have. The ultimate irony is that because the primary season was so hard fought, Obama is actually a MUCH better GE candidate than he would of been. He now has operations in all 50 states, his donor base is gigantic, and all his dirty laundry is now OLD NEWS.

[Arrowhead2k1]

11. She MUST concede and no less.

Or else some fucking flap might show up and Hillary might be trying to get back 'in it to win it' at the convention or some shit. All we want is solid closure. If there's a flap, Hillary must be on our side 100%, not working for herself.

Otherwise, she becomes like Ron Paul. Watching, waiting...

[StevieM]

13. I am sure you will be unhappy with her words. Maybe that's what you deserve--unhappiness (eom)

[Arrowhead2k1]

16. I WILL be happy if she CONCEDES, I promise!

[shaniqua6392]

32. Primary campaigns are typically suspended!! UGH!

Read the rules people. You have to suspend to keep the records and monetary issues open. If you stop the campaign, people can not get paid. This is what they all do for the most part. John Edwards did the same thing and not one person gave him any shit. You are not going to get the closure that you want because her campaign will be suspended until the convention. If Obama has a "flap", as you put it, that is not her fault. She will "suspend" and "endorse". Then she will support Obama for the General Election. I don't support a particular nominee, but will vote gladly for Obama. But I have never seen such a bunch of poor winners in my life. It is like you are scared to death of her. Very odd.

[Arrowhead2k1]

36. Of course I am scared to death of her, she's proven to be a huge liability to our chances. No doubt!

But I understand what you're saying. I think we'll just be looking for a solid endorsement and a concession at heart so most of us can be satisfied which side she's fighting on from now on. No Clintonian *wink wink* 'still in it to win it' crap. ;)

[paulk]

85. a huge liability to our chances?

that's why she was doing better than Obama in electoral and head to head matchups with McCain, I suppose?

[rhett o rick]

12. By suspending her campaign instead of conceding means she wants the

decision to go to the convention. This means that she still has hopes of upsetting Obama at the convention. You are right that the party needs her supporters and the country needs her supporters but she is holding them back from supporting Obama by keeping alive her hopes to upset him at the convention. We could start the healing process if she would concede. Otherwise, it's a fight to the convention.

[tammywammy]

76. She has to suspend her campaign

In order to continue paying people. Edwards "suspended" his campaign as well.

[high density]

15. We don't need your threats

We don't care.

Thanks for trying.

[Seabiscuit]

17. Lighting my candle for a unified party!!! Hell yes! Watch out Repukes ... here we come!

[BlooInBloo]

18. Psst: Ransoming only works when you have the hostage.

[Number23]

19. Now, is she conceding...

or SUSPENDING? Apparently there are conflicting news stories on that.

I heard conceding from ABC and Yahoo!

[Arrowhead2k1]

22. If she truly knows what's good for her and the party.

She will leave no doubt about conceding. We will see...

[hokies4ever]

20. This feels like a forced endorsement

She better sell it good on Friday.

[Seabiscuit]

23. Its time to unify this party! Hell Yes! Watch out Repukes here we come! Lighting a candle for peace.

[sellitman]

Take your threats and your candidate and put them you know where.

If she had any class she wouldn't have waited 24 to announce this. I hope to heck Obama passes over her for the VP slot.

[TheWraith]

25. Nothing is going to win over the Clinton supporters who are still fighting on DU. Period.

They've proven that quite well, by continuing this pointless battle long after the nomination was decided.

[Auntie Bush]

61. Now wait a minute! I disagree!

Clinton supporters are not continuing a pointless battle. Obama supporters are still attacking Hillary...Hillary supporters are not attacking Obama. Her supporters are merely trying to defend her. I assure you...as soon as they stop the attacks there will be peace and tranquility here. But maybe that's what they fear...this place will be boring when everyone agrees and there is no one to argue with. Preaching to the choir sucks! Not a word I'm used to using but very apropos.

[ampad]

27. But, if I continue to criticize her

Will you hold your breath and cry? I mean seriously you gonna tell people what the hell to say on a Democratic message board? You get over yourself, hide thread and ignore are wonderful. People have a right to their criticism and no amount of whining and crying from any of you Hillary supporter is going to change the fact that some people do not like the woman. These threads are getting old. She could suspend her campaign today and I would still have criticism for her. IMO, her behavior helped to earn her that criticism.

[Lerkfish]

33. thank goodness.

when it actually happens, I'll celebrate more.

but for now, I'll say a humble thanks for the possiblity.

[Kahuna]

34. Grow up. nt

[Forkboy]

39. Still planning on voting McCain Stevie?

[apocalypsehow]

41. Do you have to piss on everything? Can't you just let us have this moment?

:thumbsdown:

[Texasgal]

42. I don't need to win over anybody..

Sorry, but anybody who bases their vote on what someone said on an internet message board is an idiot.

[Blue-Jay]

43. Why wait until Friday?

She could have done it last night when the eyes of the nation were on her speech. But instead she's going to wait until Friday when fewer people are paying attention? That's odd.

[Prophet 451]

44. And if Clinton supporters are petty enough...

...that they can't put their wounded pride over their candidate losing aside or can't put aside their hurt feelings over something someone on a message board said, they deserve President McCain. It's not up to us to convince them to vote for the Dem, it's up to them to justify giving McCain four years to wreck the country and the world because they couldn't put their pettiness aside.

[StevieM]

69. LMAO!!! You really don't understand that what you just said is incorrect, do you?

Of course it is up to the candidate, and his supporters, to convince people to support him. That is how it works in every campaign.

My feelings are not hurt and my problems are not with Clinton losing. It is with Obama and problems I have with him.

Steve

[Starbucks Anarchist]

45. Fair enough.

And congratulations to Hillary for her trailblazing race. :toast:

[WeDidIt]

46. YEah, on the 40th anniversary of RFK's death

Real class there.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

47. Don't her supporters have minds of their own? Why should we have to "win" them over?

If they are going to base their votes on comments made a message board they are as shallow and mindless as they appear to be.

[guruoo]

48. Time to heal it up.

[Joey Liberal]

50. Hillary brought the "trashing" upon herself n/t

[LordJFT]

53. more juvenile threats from the Clinton camp despite Obama's class towards her and her supporters

[XOKCowboy]

55. Roe vs Wade needs YOUR vote.

Get over yourself and get behind the Democratic candidate so we can save this country.

[chill_wind]

56. NOPE. We won't. She's now working a VP scam as we speak.

Out with the old campaign. In with the new.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6272350

I don't think it will work out well, but she is anything but finished with her fightin' form.

[rucky]

57. Consider me over myself.

[AZBlue]

58. Is this the kind of unity and non-bashing you hope to see on DU?

[HeraldSquare212]

59. And you need a Democratic candidate for President.

[kwenu]

62. Good Point.

[Medusa]

63. I'll beleive it when I see and hear it.

And it better had not be another one of the half-assed type of speeches that she gave last night. I don't think she or Bill or her supporters have any idea the way that ticked off her own supporters in the house & senate.

[progetto]

68. I'll believe it when Dean confirms she's really quit

and hasn't reserved the right to challenge at the convention.

And when she does this, I'll say thank you Hillary and let's get Obama elected.

[crankychatter]

64. nope, private party friday... big thank you rally for her supporters on Saturday

suspension... retention of delegates... "acknowledgement" that he received the requisite number of delegates for the nomination and

NO ENDORSEMENT... only an exhortation for unity...

get it?

[sampsonblk]

65. She trashed herself. - nt

[Fox Mulder]

67. Why should you care what some anonymous people say about her...

on an internet message board?

Maybe you should get over yourself and support the nominee.

[Splinter Cell]

72. No...

You people are the ones that need to get over yourselves. You act like everyone is going to have to kiss your ass to get you to vote for Obama. If you're not going to vote in the GE for the democratic candidate, like them or not, then you're on the wrong forum. We have a choice. McCain(Bush III), or a progressive president. We shouldn't have to suck up to Clinton supporters to get them on the wagon. That's bullshit.

It's Obama or McCain. Simple. Don't expect to be pandered to for you to make the right choice. The only choice.

[StevieM]

74. Sorry, but that isn't how politics works (eom)

[krkaufman]

75. Did you happen to catch Tuesday night's 'The Daily Show' ...?

... and the spectacle that was Terry McAuliffe? It would seem to be perfectly reasonable, given how things have gone this campaign, for Obama supporters to believe a Clinton concession and endorsement when they see it. (Just look back to Hillary's conciliatory tone struck at the end of the Texas debate, almost immediately followed by the rolling-out of her ultra-negative kitchen sink strategy.)

The content of Hillary's concession and endorsement on Friday/Saturday will have a LOT to do with how she deserves to be treated, moving forward, as a supporter or continuing rival.

Cheers!

[StevieM]

80. That arrogant attitude is why the party is divided. You are so self-righteous (eom)

[krkaufman]

84. I'll take that as a "no, I didn't catch Terry McAuliffe on Tuesday's Daily Show"

... because if you had, you would have a wholly different threshold for accusing someone of self-righteousness.

Hang in there, baby, Doomsday's coming.

[MadHound]

77. Ooo, more scolding from a Hillary supporter

Frankly, given that Hillary and her supporters are the ones who have tried to hold the Democratic presidential nomination hostage, engaged in bogus math metrics, failed to see the writing on the wall months ago, engaged in divisive, bigoted tactics, and continuously played the victim card, I think that it is the Hillary supporters who need to get over themselves and drop the hateful rhetoric. But noooo, here is one more Hillary supporter, holding his/her vote hostage while scolding the rest of us. Frankly I think that the amount of pandering and the amount of bullshit that has to be dealt with when trying to engage Hillary's supporters is probably not worth their vote, and there is the distinct possibility that we won't get that vote no matter what we do.

Yes, I'm perfectly willing to welcome Hillary supporters to the fold, and I'm not going to trash Hillary. But this sort of scolding on the part of her supporters is unnecessary, unneeded, and frankly does nothing to promote party unity.

[StevieM]

81. Hillary did not use bigoted tactics, that was a blatant lie (eom)

[jakem]

79. i heard she WILL NOT ENDORSE.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

82. Ehhhh, I Just Laugh At The Morons That Keep Trashing Her Almost Obsessively.

They look like irrational fools.

[krkaufman]

86. "Getting over it" being served banquet style

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