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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 03:52 PM
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"You don't bargain with the Presidential nominee." (The good, the bad and the bitter)
For Clintons Women Fans, Mourning and Anger






Rendell: "You don't bargain with the nominee" - Updated: Rengel's Concession Call, Clyburn Harassed

by kubla000
Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:49:28 AM PDT

Well it seems that someone has regained their sanity...

There's no bargaining. You don't bargain with the Presidential nominee. Even if you're Hillary Clinton and you have 18 million votes, you don't bargain.

Compare this to some sillier Democrats who think they have a foot to stand on with this subject.

Members of Congress who support Clinton are weighing a joint letter to Senator Barack Obama pressing him to put Clinton on the ticket, a congressional aide confirmed.

<...>

UPDATE: Word is Charlie Rangel appeared on MSNBC a little while ago and was equally displeased with the current state of the race and Hillary's speech last night.

News at this moment is that Hillary Clinton will be holding a conference call with major supporters at 4pm to discuss the race.

Clinton, according to one prominent backer, is scheduled to hold a conference call with top supporters at 4 p.m., in which they are expected to hash out how and when to concede the race to Barack Obama and figure out a way to unify the Democratic Party for the fall.

But Representative Charlie Rangel of New York, who is still awaiting cues from Clinton before officially backing Obama, called on her to formally concede, saying she could have been "far more generous" to him in saying Obama is the party's nominee.

Meanwhile some people really have no fricken class at all, this is beyond pathetic

<...>

"I was absolutely shocked, could not believe that this happened. I could understand people saying, Why are you doing this or why would you not support Hillary Clinton? but to call me the kinds of names I have not heard since the 40s and 50s," he said.

Clyburn said some of the callers threatened to "sabotage this election." He added that he does not think Clinton understands her role in unifying the party.

Exactly... Bargaining and trying to publicly force a spot on the ticket certainly does nothing for Unity.


Senator Clinton's speech last night was a justifiably proud recitation of her accomplishments over the course of this campaign, but it did not end right. She didn't do what she should have done. As hard and as painful as it might have been, she should have conceded, congratulated, endorsed and committed to Barack Obama. Therefore the next 48 hours are now as important to the future reputation of Hillary Clinton as the last year and a half have been.

I am disappointed. As a long time Hillary Clinton supporter and more importantly, an admirer, I am sad that this historic effort has ended with such a narrow loss for her. There will be the appropriate "if onlys" for a long time to come. If only the staff shakeup happened earlier; if only the planning in caucus states had more focus; if only Hillary had let loose with the authentic human and connecting voice she found in the last three months of the campaign. If only. If only. I have written many times on this site about the talents of Hillary Clinton and why I thought she'd make a great President.

<...>

So, I am also so very disappointed at how she has handled this last week. I know she is exhausted and she had pledged to finish the primaries and let every state vote before any final action. But by the time she got on that podium last night, she knew it was over and that she had lost. I am sure I was not alone in privately urging the campaign over the last two weeks to use the moment to take her due, pass the torch and cement her grace. She had an opportunity to soar and unite. She had a chance to surprise her party and the nation after the day-long denials about expecting any concession and send Obama off on the campaign trail of the general election with the best possible platform. I wrote before how she had a chance for her "Al Gore moment." And if she had done so, the whole country ALL would be talking today about how great she is and give her her due.

Instead she left her supporters empty, Obama's angry, and party leaders trashing her. She said she was stepping back to think about her options. She is waiting to figure out how she would "use" her 18 million voters.

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Hillary's campaign was offensive because she ventured into areas of attack that no Democrat should have. The divisiveness, repeatedly denied and ignored (inside and outside her campaign), was frustrating. Her speech last night was a culmination of all her damaging actions.

One has to wonder why someone of Hillary's stature would, after being given the benefit of the doubt for months, still lack the judgment to do the right thing in the end?

Let's see what comes out of the 4 p.m. meeting with donors.


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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 03:55 PM
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1. I'm going to take a stab at guessing what happens at 4.......she continues on.........Just a guess.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 03:57 PM
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3. I've been saying that forever, however it might
be the money that is the deciding factor.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 05:56 PM
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14. Nice avatar.
:P


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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 06:22 PM
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15. I like it. I'm a big future AG fan myself! :-)
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 06:25 PM
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16. That avatar was my first attempt to use Photoshop. Not too bad, if I do say so myself.
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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 08:59 PM
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24. Excellent job, I appreciate it.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 12:40 AM
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25. Thanks. It took me two hours to get him to look like he wasn't dying of terminal acne.
It turns out that reducing a photo that far is pretty damn difficult -- especially if the file size needs to be tiny.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 03:56 PM
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2. 4pm meeting with donors? nt
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 04:00 PM
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4. Had she just had the common decency to be gracious, she could
have been VP. I'm not saying it WOULD have been offered to her. But I am saying that it CANNOT be offered to her now.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 04:08 PM
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6. Her lack of graciousness makes it less likely - but there was a better reason not to
I doubt even the most committed HRC could honestly answer yes to this question.

"Would HRC and WJC be able to take the second position and let Obama lead?" Consider the less arrogant John Edwards had trouble doing that well - such as when he refused to use the campaign's slogan. That is mild compared to what the Clintons would likely do - without thinking. HRC couldn't control WJC when it was essential for her campaign. How do you think that Obama could both run for President and keep the Clintons in control?
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 04:22 PM
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8. Her refusal to be gracious last night emphasizes your point. She
is unwilling to let anyone else be in charge.

For the last couple of weeks I have really been trying not to post negative things about her. That's at an end after her speech last night.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 04:02 PM
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5. That is some ugly shit with Rep. Clyburn
:(
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 04:12 PM
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7. Bill Clinton called Clyburn an "expletive" as well.. this was released today, and I
bet it was because of the harassment he's receiving from the Clinton Supporters. These are nasty, nasty people, from the top down,.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/04/wsj-clinton-us...
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 04:29 PM
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9. So sad.
I bet I know what it was, too. I can just hear him now.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 06:54 PM
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19. Ever see Clintons concerned about party unity for any other Democrat but them?
They even would work diligently to bring Dems to support Bush on Iraq war but, ever see them show concern for party unity for any other Dem who emerged to oppose Bush?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 05:24 PM
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10. Hillary To Campaign Staff: Goodbye

Hillary To Campaign Staff: Goodbye

By Greg Sargent - June 4, 2008, 4:36PM

Hillary meets with her campaign staff, says it's goodbye:

Sen. Hillary Clinton visited staff at her headquarters in Arlington, Virginia Wednesday just after most of them had been told they would no longer have to report to work after Friday.

A staffer who was in the room said she invited all of her campaign staff to come to her home on Friday.

Before Clinton arrived, the staff was told that they would be paid through June 15th. But the bulk of the staff was told their last day of work would be Friday.

Junior staffers were emotional and some were crying and as Clinton left her headquarters, she waved to cameras outside.



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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 05:25 PM
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11. "For Clintons Women Fans, Mourning and Anger" - sounds sexist.
Didn't she have any male fans?
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 06:49 PM
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18. Apparently they're neither mourning nor angry. n/t
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 05:30 PM
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12. Obama sounds more like Bush every day
Sorry, that's not the way Democrats behave. We're the party of inclusion, not the party of hostility and exclusion. Could you imagine Bill Clinton, Al Gore, John Kerry, Howard Dean or even JFK himself saying something like that?

Very disturbing. I'm trying to get to where I can support Obama, but this kind of crap makes it really, really, really impossible.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 05:31 PM
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13. What did he say? Rendell said that.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 06:29 PM
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17. you ain't ever going to vote for Obama
and never were....you were ALWAYS looking for a reason not to and you have found it, so just GO AWAY and one of my daughters will make up for your vote-if it ever was to be in the first place-which I highly doubt
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 07:56 PM
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23. There is no Obama quote in the OP
And getting to where you can support Obama might start with reading better, getting facts straight before saying he "sounds more like Bush every day".
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 01:31 PM
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27. Reality and facts have nothing to do with it, don't you know?
What matters is knee-jerk pronouncements and completely ignorant statements of "fact."
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papapi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 01:36 PM
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28. Go vote for McLame. You have as much as indicated that's what you intend to do.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 06:55 PM
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20. She's gone.
After this weekend, they will feel better about it.
And as time goes by, they will see the light.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 07:28 PM
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21. Evidently the 4 p.m. meeting didn't go well for Hillary
Her donors pulled the plug, weren't happy with her speech last night. They did not approve of McAwful's introduction of Hillary as the "next president."



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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 07:30 PM
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22. Not if you want anything beyond the pleasure of emoting, you don't, at least.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 01:30 PM
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26. This isn't going to help
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 06:15 PM
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29. Four Florida Members Of Congress Who Backed Hillary Come Out For Obama

Four Florida Members Of Congress Who Backed Hillary Come Out For Obama

By Greg Sargent - June 5, 2008, 5:16PM

More Dem elected officials continue to coalesce behind Obama: A bloc of four Members of Congress from Florida who previously backed Hillary -- including one of Hillary's most loyal supporters -- is coming out for Obama, one of their spokespeople confirms to me.

The four are Alcee L. Hastings, Corrine Brown, Kendrick B. Meek, and Debbie Wasserman Schultz, a very committed Hillary loyalist.

While its hardly surprising that Dem elected officials are coming out for Obama right now -- the entire New York Congressional delegation endorsed him today -- the support of these Florida Reps. is key, because they might be able to help soothe voters in this crucial state that are still upset about the failure to seat the full Florida delegation. The Obama camp advocated for a half-seating.

"It is with enthusiasm and excitement that we endorse Barack Obama for President," the four will say in a statement soon to go out to reporters that will also ask Obama to "do everything in his power" to seat the full delegations at the convention.

"All of us standing on one stage, hand-in-hand will send a clear message to Florida voters that regardless of who we previously supported, we stand united and as one from this day forward," the statement says.


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