Last time an unexperienced politician from Illinois

[maxpower]

Won the Presidency was a fellow by the name of Abraham Lincoln. And he was not ready to be president either. Right? Obama has talked the talk and walked the walk. He fought tooth and nail for the under privileged in Illinois for years. I live in Illinois and have followed his career. He speaks from the heart and not just the platitudes that the masses want to hear.

[az chela]

1. That shows in his speeches.

He is another JFK.HIs speeches have given me great hope for this country that I truly believed was lost

[maxpower]

2. And on a lighter note

The Cubs are the best team in baseball. I think that bodes well for the junior Senator from Illinois. Go Cubs!!!!! This may be the wrong forum but hey it has to be said.

[msallied]

46. I'll be happy to see the Cubs go all the way this year.

Just tell the fans there to not try and catch anymore pop up fouls... LOL

[maxpower]

48. Touche'

Dusty is no Lou. 17 games over .500 on June 2nd. Good feeling.

[msallied]

51. As a Reds fan who grew up near Cincy

I'm used to rooting on winners from way down in the cellar. lol Although the Cubs games were always fun to go to growing up because of the friendly rivalry with the visiting fans, I do love seeing teams break their curses. :)

[maxpower]

55. I am sorry you have Dusty Baker

Watch him destroy your great you pitchers like he did Prior and Wood. I would love to take a trip to the Queen city to see your new ballpark. It looks great, and I hear Cincy is a great city. Maybe this summer.

[Jack Rabbit]

3. How the GOP attack machine will spin that

The last time an inexperienced politician from Illinois won the presidency, the union disintegrated. Don't let it happen again!

[maxpower]

4. The union was well on its way to disintegration

And let's remember the Republican's of that day were more like the Democrats of our day.

[TTUBatfan2008]

5. Yep.

The parties have pretty much flip-flopped. The "solid South" once voted Democratic and now votes Republican, although hopefully Obama can give us a chance to steal some states since McCain is not liked by southern Christians.

[maxpower]

54. The Democrats lost the South

When LBJ signed the Civil rights act. That was when the Dems changed to Republicans. Do you think it is a coincidence that Reagan announced his candidacy in Philadelphia, Mississippi? If you don't know what happened there, look it up. It was a wink, wink, nudge, nudge (to quote from Monty Python) to the Republicans that he would change things back to the way things were before LBJ signed the Civil rights act.

[Jack Rabbit]

6. Hey, don't let the facts get in the way of good, Rovian propaganda

[TTUBatfan2008]

20. Ah, you mean the idea...

that Republicans freed the slaves? Yeah, Republicans in name only. Rove is the ultimate in using technicalities to spin the truth.

[Condem]

7. Who?

[Critters2]

12. Grant. nt

[Critters2]

8. Actually, Grant came after Lincoln, and had less experience. nt

[maxpower]

9. And until Chimpy came along

He had one of the most corrupt administrations up to that time. I don't blame him, he was not a politician and to trusting of his cabinet, and he liked his whiskey a little to much. Read his biography written with the help of the greatest American author Mark Twain

[Critters2]

10. Indeed. My point was that the OP is mistaken.

The last time an inexperienced politician from Illinois won the presidency was Grant, who was from Galena. It wasn't Lincoln.

[maxpower]

15. Point well taken

Although he was from Ohio before going to Illinois. But I admit my mistake, unlike a certain idiot in the Whitehouse.

[Critters2]

21. I just find all this mythologizing of politicians creepy.

Obama isn't Lincoln. He just isn't.

Oh, and Obama was from Hawaii, among other places, before coming to Illinois.

[maxpower]

23. Yes but he cut his political teeth in Illinois

The man taught law at one of the best schools in the country, University of Chicago. He also fought for civil rights before entering politics. He is truly a man of the people. I never said he was Lincoln, I merely compared his "inexperience" with Lincoln's. I have a degree in history so I am aware of the differences.

[rebel with a cause]

31. Lincoln was born in Kentucky and grew up in

Tennesee. He came to Illinois as a young man. On the other hand Reagan was born and raised in Illinois and went to California as a young man. What state you represent is what state you run from. Hence Lincoln was from Illinois, Reagan was from California and Obama is from Illinois.


edited because of a mis-read

[Critters2]

36. No. He grew up in Indiana. nt

[rebel with a cause]

50. A thousand lashes with a wet noodle.

the senior moments are coming rapidly tonight. Ughhhhh!

[maxpower]

40. Well said

N/T

[Critters2]

41. Except the part about Tennessee.

Lincoln never lived in Tennessee.

[maxpower]

13. And one other point

He was not a politician he was a popular war hero, like Eisenhower. He trusted his cabinet too much. They took advantage of him. He should never have entered politics.

[Critters2]

14. Running for president pretty much qualifies one as a politician.

So, the last time an inexperienced politician won the presidency was Grant.

[maxpower]

18. Eisenhower was not a politician

But he was the last Republican I have any respect for.

[rebel with a cause]

33. what about Eisenhower?

He was a general before running for president the same as Grant.

[maxpower]

58. He warned us

About the military industrial complex. It cost Kennedy his life. He saw what what was coming, and nobody listened.

[rebel with a cause]

27. And was not from Illinois

He was also born in a log cabin but it was in Ohio.

[Critters2]

29. By that standard, neither Lincoln nor Obama are from Illinois, either.

Lincoln was born in Kentucky. Obama was born in Hawaii.

[maxpower]

38. Yup

But they made their political fortunes in the Land of Lincoln. And Lincoln was not from Illinois either. As far as I am concerned an American is an American. We just have the privilege of having him cut his teeth in the ruff and tumble life of Illinois politics. And he made a huge difference. Daley, love him or hate him, will make sure Illinois will go for Obama. Speaking of Daley, has anyone been to Chicago recently, it is truly one of the greatest cities in America if not the world. Daley knows how to get things done, and has avoided controversy.

[Critters2]

39. Used to live in Chicago.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

[rebel with a cause]

49. Yes, I know that Lincoln was born in Kentucky

grew up in Indiana and came to Illinois as a young man. Reagan was born in Illinois and he ran from California. I know all about Lincoln, being in Illinois I studied his life more than any other historical figure. I was thinking that Grant was elected from Ohio but I guess I was wrong although a few places I found say he was the 2nd president from Ohio. :shrug:

edited to put in Indiana;)

[Condem]

11. Hear him mention the Fields of Gettysburg & Antietam

tonight. Lump in my throat, I guess.

[MonkeyFunk]

16. Well if the South tries to secede

I'm sure Obama will be all over it.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

17. LOL!

:rofl:

[maxpower]

19. That was Lincoln's mistake

He should have let them go. They are still fighting the civil war down there. Of course I am kidding, or am I. Bwahahahahah.

[GoldieAZ49]

35. LMAO nt

[Condem]

22. How cool is it

That an Afro-American will preside over the sesquicentennial of the Civil War? You could say, "about time"! Or, we can enjoy that moment. Imagine Obama dedicating Bull Run. Priceless. Fuckin unreal!

[maxpower]

24. Great point

Lincoln would be proud. Strom Thurmond is rolling over in his grave, and asking Hitler in hell what the fuck happened to "my America."

[Condem]

25. Thank you, max

I look forward to it.

[maxpower]

26. No problem

I love making the Republicans squirm. I have not lost a debate to one yet. My wife won't let me talk politics, but if some knuckle dragging mouth breather starts talking the republican talking points, it's on.

[Condem]

28. The wife's on our side, I take it.

Our goal should be to persuade just one repug, just one! We will win this thing in a landslide!

[maxpower]

30. Agreed

My wife is a little more diplomatic than I am, she agrees with my positions, but doesn't like me making waves. I have put up with so much GOP bullshit over the years, I can't let it go anymore. It is officially on. I relish crushing Republicans every chance I get. Bush's residency makes it so much easier for all Dems.

[Condem]

34. 5 months, max

From today. Let's go!

[rebel with a cause]

52. My daughter is like that

if we are driving through town and I say something political, she will shush me. I'm like who will hear me when the windows are up, but this is red-neck country and the repubs here can be aggressive, especially with their looks. :D

[maxpower]

56. You have truth on your side

And the Rednecks are usually all talk. Of course it is easier to sit here and say that. I don't feel threatened anymore, we have numbers on our side. Besides I am a shaved head 5'9" 220lb muscular Dem. I am not afraid anymore.

[rebel with a cause]

59. I'm a 62 year old white haired woman with an oxygen tank.

and I never act afraid. That is the problem. My kids have nicknamed me "Brooklyn" because I have the attitude that even when I am terrified nobody knows it. I talk a good game. We use to live in NYC and they still visit family there. They say I remind them of the guys from Brooklyn that act all tough. Back me in a corner and then you better run. ;)

The Rednecks would not do anything to me. They might to her because she is a Latina, but they would have to go over me for that. No, they just give us nasty looks when I open my mouth, or go off on me verbally which I could care less about. I have never got physical with anyone and no one has me either. She is just worried about them doing something to her car.

[GoldieAZ49]

32. Yes and he had a civil war that cost more American lives than all the other wars

put together.

He also freed the slaves, and was a republican.

So what is the comparison?

[Condem]

37. Goldie

Lincoln was the First Republican. Came from the Whig party. A far cry from today.

[GoldieAZ49]

42. They are still whigged out

both parties are a far cry from what they used to be.

[Condem]

43. You still with us, Goldie?

Comin along for the ride?

[maxpower]

47. I think Goldie

Has jumped off. Thanks for all the support on this thread.

[maxpower]

45. Thank you Condem

N/T

[maxpower]

44. The union was going down the path

To dissolution when he was elected. As was stated in a few posts the Republicans of his day were much like the Democrats of today. And yes too many lives were lost during the Civil War, that weighed heavily on him. Compared to Bush who couldn't care less. The comparison is they thought he was to inexperienced to be president, and correct me if I am wrong, is he not considered one of the greatest Presidents of all time. The south succeeded, not his fault. He had to do whatever it took to keep the union together, do you think he was wrong? That is the comparison, and I stand by it.

[Withywindle]

53. Last time our country was this divided...

...a scrawny inexperienced lawyer from IL who loved the Constitution above all else was the best we could do. And was exactly what we needed. :thumbsup:

[maxpower]

57. Bravo

That was the point of my original post. His speech tonight was truly inspiring, McCain can only hope to have half as much charisma as Barak. The similarities between Barak and Lincoln are eerie.