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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 10:45 PM
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Chimp flubs his lines
While Bush's style sounds conversational, his speeches, made with only occasional glances at notes, are increasingly practiced, with the same stories and arguments appearing in the same places.

Still, there are occasional variations. In one telling of his riff about the majesty of the Oval Office, he notes that it leaves any visitor speechless -- except for "my mother, who walked in and continued to tell me what to do."

That line was in Las Vegas. In Florida, however, he made the same point but said that the Oval Office is so powerful "it's the kind of place where my mother walks in and feels so overwhelmed, she won't tell me what to do."


Is that a flip-flop, or does he just need more rehearsals?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A3650-2004Aug15.html
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 10:47 PM
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1. busholini's style of nuance.
"See what I did, I changed it up. And they said I was dumb."
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 10:48 PM
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3. lol!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 10:48 PM
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2. Or a freakin' made up lie!
With bush and his lies he has more to remember! Hahahahahahaha!
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 11:08 PM
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7. such a GREAT point
I work in a junior high school, and that's ALWAYS the easiest way to catch a liar: make him repeat his story, then check the various versions

Condi's REALLY bad at that: NOBODY could have predicted that planes would fly into buildings, or whatever she said, then had to retract it
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 10:54 PM
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4. Nah, he's just such an egotistical maniac that he probably can't stand
to say the words "my mother, who walked in and continued to tell me what to do." He's the pREsident, don't ya know.

What a complete screw up.
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DrMath Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 11:03 PM
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5. come on now...
I don't feel safe talking about Bush's flip-flops when Kerry does them all the time! No, I'm not a troll! Please don't kick me off! I just got kicked off FR =(
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 11:09 PM
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8. well, Dr. start NAMING the flipflops he's made
right now; be specific....use LINKS

freepers MAKE up stuff all the time; be precise

can't wait to see their provenance

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DrMath Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 11:14 PM
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9. Actually, I can't come up with an example...
I don't remember, darn. I know it's true though. I don't have an example, it's just a general feeling I've developed over time by reading and listening to the news. Anyway, this Bush flip-flop/misspeak doesn't really sound like too big of a deal.
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 11:22 PM
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10. funny funny guy
working on your satire chops?

work a lot harder
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 12:01 AM
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12. also just to help you out, here's the truth about Kerry's record
with lots of supporting evidence

http://ideamouth.com/respect.htm

Welcome to DU enjoy your stay :hi:
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 12:04 AM
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14. That's the problem. The media - fed with WH lies -
has created an impression that Kerry is an untrustworthy flip-flopper. But you don't really know of any examples.

There's a reason for that. Kerry doesn't flip-flop very often. And Bush's flip-flops are legion. True. But you won't hear it on CNN.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 12:03 AM
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13. Kinda like the "Clinton was a bad President" meme at FR.
The only real example they can point to is his consensual affair with Monica. Get past that and they don't have a whole hellofalot to point to.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 11:56 PM
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11. just to help you out
President Bush: Flip-Flopper-In-Chief

July 7, 2004

From the beginning, George W. Bush has made his own credibility a central issue. On 10/11/00, then-Gov. Bush said: "I think credibility is important.It is going to be important for the president to be credible with Congress, important for the president to be credible with foreign nations." But President Bush's serial flip-flopping raises serious questions about whether Congress and foreign leaders can rely on what he says.

1. Social Security Surplus

BUSH PLEDGES NOT TO TOUCH SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUS... "We're going to keep the promise of Social Security and keep the government from raiding the Social Security surplus."

...BUSH SPENDS SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUS The New York Times reported that "the president's new budget uses Social Security surpluses to pay for other programs every year through 2013, ultimately diverting more than $1.4 trillion in Social Security funds to other purposes."

2. Patient's Right to Sue

GOVERNOR BUSH VETOES PATIENTS' RIGHT TO SUE... "Despite his campaign rhetoric in favor of a patients' bill of rights, Bush fought such a bill tooth and nail as Texas governor, vetoing a bill coauthored by Republican state Rep. John Smithee in 1995. He... constantly opposed a patient's right to sue an HMO over coverage denied that resulted in adverse health effects."

...CANDIDATE BUSH PRAISES TEXAS PATIENTS' RIGHT TO SUE... "We're one of the first states that said you can sue an HMO for denying you proper coverage... It's time for our nation to come together and do what's right for the people. And I think this is right for the people. You know, I support a national patients' bill of rights, Mr. Vice President. And I want all people covered. I don't want the law to supersede good law like we've got in Texas."

...PRESIDENT BUSH'S ADMINISTRATION ARGUES AGAINST RIGHT TO SUE "To let two Texas consumers, Juan Davila and Ruby R. Calad, sue their managed-care companies for wrongful denials of medical benefits ‘would be to completely undermine' federal law regulating employee benefits, Assistant Solicitor General James A. Feldman said at oral argument March 23. Moreover, the administration's brief attacked the policy rationale for Texas's law, which is similar to statutes on the books in nine other states."

3. Tobacco Buyout

BUSH SUPPORTS CURRENT TOBACCO FARMERS' QUOTA SYSTEM... "They've got the quota system in place -- the allotment system -- and I don't think that needs to be changed."

...BUSH ADMINISTRATION WILL SUPPORT FEDERAL BUYOUT OF TOBACCO QUOTAS "The administration is open to a buyout."

4. North Korea

BUSH WILL NOT OFFER NUCLEAR NORTH KOREA INCENTIVES TO DISARM... "We developed a bold approach under which, if the North addressed our long-standing concerns, the United States was prepared to take important steps that would have significantly improved the lives of the North Korean people. Now that North Korea's covert nuclear weapons program has come to light, we are unable to pursue this approach."

...BUSH ADMINISTRATION OFFERS NORTH KOREA INCENTIVES TO DISARM"Well, we will work to take steps to ease their political and economic isolation. So there would be -- what you would see would be some provisional or temporary proposals that would only lead to lasting benefit after North Korea dismantles its nuclear programs. So there would be some provisional or temporary efforts of that nature."

5. Abortion

BUSH SUPPORTS A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE... "Bush said he...favors leaving up to a woman and her doctor the abortion question."

...BUSH OPPOSES A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE "I am pro-life."

6. OPEC

BUSH PROMISES TO FORCE OPEC TO LOWER PRICES... "What I think the president ought to do is he ought to get on the phone with the OPEC cartel and say we expect you to open your spigots...And the president of the United States must jawbone OPEC members to lower the price."

...BUSH REFUSES TO LOBBY OPEC LEADERS With gas prices soaring in the United States at the beginning of 2004, the Miami Herald reported the president refused to "personally lobby oil cartel leaders to change their minds."

7. Iraq Funding

BUSH SPOKESMAN DENIES NEED FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THE REST OF 2004... "We do not anticipate requesting supplemental funding for '04"

...BUSH REQUESTS ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR IRAQ FOR 2004 "I am requesting that Congress establish a $25 billion contingency reserve fund for the coming fiscal year to meet all commitments to our troops."

8. Condoleeza Rice Testimony

BUSH SPOKESMAN SAYS RICE WON'T TESTIFY AS 'A MATTER OF PRINCIPLE'... "Again, this is not her personal preference; this goes back to a matter of principle. There is a separation of powers issue involved here. Historically, White House staffers do not testify before legislative bodies. So it's a matter of principle, not a matter of preference."

...BUSH ORDERS RICE TO TESTIFY: "Today I have informed the Commission on Terrorist Attacks Against the United States that my National Security Advisor, Dr. Condoleezza Rice, will provide public testimony."

9. Science

BUSH PLEDGES TO ISSUE REGULATIONS BASED ON SCIENCE..."I think we ought to have high standards set by agencies that rely upon science, not by what may feel good or what sounds good."

...BUSH ADMINISTRATION REGULATIONS IGNORE SCIENCE "60 leading scientists—including Nobel laureates, leading medical experts, former federal agency directors and university chairs and presidents—issued a statement calling for regulatory and legislative action to restore scientific integrity to federal policymaking. According to the scientists, the Bush administration has, among other abuses, suppressed and distorted scientific analysis from federal agencies, and taken actions that have undermined the quality of scientific advisory panels."

10. Ahmed Chalabi

BUSH INVITES CHALABI TO STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS...President Bush also met with Chalabi during his brief trip to Iraq last Thanksgiving

...BUSH MILITARY ASSISTS IN RAID OF CHALABI'S HOUSE "U.S. soldiers raided the home of America's one-time ally Ahmad Chalabi on Thursday and seized documents and computers."


And that's just the first ten, more at link...
http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=42263
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 11:06 PM
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6. sounds like....
.....a huge, massive filp-flop to me.....maybe we could have Cheney, with his particular 'sensitivity' to words and phrasing, explain it....
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